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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?


Europe, Asia, Oceana.  I get the impression Samsung is far more prominent in markets outside the US than within.

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BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?

There are a lot of devices outside the USA, but also, inside the USA Apple sells half of the smartphones, plus iPod touches and iPads. No doubt Apple should be most popular at an airport in Florida. A lot of evidence around the net suggest about 1/2of Android phones are really used more like feature phones than like app phones. That should further skew wi-fi data to Apple.
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It looks like they have learned from the righty/wingnut/ repuglican play book. Tell a lie often enough and long enough it becomes their truth.


there fixed it for you...

What did you expect from a guy who's name is Whitey? Truth is that both parties lie.
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post #44 of 199
We do know that if Samsung's numbers were better than the Analyst reports they would be releasing them. Maybe the IDC estimate of 42 million was too low for them so they asked Juniper to make up a higher number. The obvious threat to these companies is that Samsung releases their own numbers and the analysts sell a lot less $2000 reports.
post #45 of 199
Samsung selling more phones than Apple is like Ford selling more cars than Porsche
It is irrelevant...Quality over Quantity any day
post #46 of 199
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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post


Samsung does not release any such number. This is just made up by some analyst.


Of course they don't:

 

 

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Galaxy S3 smartphone sales top 10 mln mark: executive
SEOUL, July 22 (Yonhap) -- Samsung Electronics Co.'s global sales of its Galaxy S3 smartphones have surpassed the 10 million mark less than two months after its official release, a senior executive of the world's largest mobile phone maker said Sunday.

   Shin Jong-kyun, the president of Samsung's information technology and mobile communication division, told reporters that the phone has become a 10-million seller after it was first unveiled on May 29 in London. He, however, did not give exact numbers.

   This translates into about 190,000 Galaxy S3s being sold every day, and easily ahead of its very popular predecessor -- the Galaxy S2 -- that reported sales hitting 10 million, five months after it reached consumers.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/techscience/2012/07/22/99/0601000000AEN20120722002300320F.HTML

post #47 of 199
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Originally Posted by sleepy3 View Post

You are missing something though.

Apple does not operate in a vacuum. They very much do see what competitors have. And they very much do take ideas from competitors and put into their own products along with the original stuff that they come up with themselves.

Any company that operates in a bubble without keeping an eye on what the competition is doing will soon be dead. 

Matter of fact, Apple even regularly sends employees to events like CES where they have no booth even, just to see what the competition is up to. 

Exactly, much of the tech Apple uses in their devices was invented by someone else and Apple bought the company. A single company no matter how big can think of everything.
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post #48 of 199
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Also, a huge number of Android handsets are cheapo touch screens sold in southeast Asia, that largely function as touch screen feature phones since there is little app purchasing and activity from that region.
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So how are these smartphones that should be compared to the iPhone?

Here's a typical low end Android phone. 600MHz CPU, 240x320 screen, QVGA video recording at 15 frames per second.
post #49 of 199

I betcha had you worked at the best airport in the world for the 7th year running, Incheon Airport in South Korea, you'd be asking different question...

 

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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?

post #50 of 199
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Samsung selling more phones than Apple is like Ford selling more cars than Porsche
It is irrelevant...Quality over Quantity any day

Some of you on here need to work in PR, I've never seen better spin doctoring.
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post #51 of 199
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Of course it is. It is by definition. The next iPhone isn't the iPhone 5, also by definition.

 

 

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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post

 

 

Please tell us your "definition".

 

 It seems that everyone in the world is calling the next iPhone the iPhone 5, except for a vanishingly small number of people who think that their idiosycratic definitions are "correct". 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post

Which isn't the iPhone 5.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Woodlink View Post

Of course, this headline will be meaningless when the iPhone 5 is released.

 

Why do you all persist in this silly game?

post #52 of 199
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?

 

Europe and Asia? The Samsung Galaxy SIII is incredibly popular in the UK.

 

 

The amount of butthurt in this thread is hilarious. Go check Samsung's quarterly reports - they're making a lot of money at the moment. It's pretty obvious that they're not stuffing the channel.

post #53 of 199
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

BOO ON APPLE INSIDER! Can't you tell the difference between "sales" and "shipments", and can't you mention that for clarity in your article?

Agreed. Compare this to CNET, whose article on the same topic says: "But before we go too far with the Samsung-killing-Apple rhetoric, it's important to point out that the "shipments" Juniper is citing for the iPhone are actually sales. Shipments, on the other hand, do not necessarily mean that all devices are sold. In Apple's case, all of the so-called "shipments" by Juniper were actually sales."

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57480412-37/samsung-ships-52.1-million-smartphones-in-q2-doubles-iphone/

post #54 of 199

Likely "shipped" > "sold".  Perhaps even >>.

 

But there are three valid questions/points:

 

- Samsung sells a variety of phones. But there is more than one iPhone too - 3GS, 4, 4S. So comparing the totals is not completely unreasonable, but is also far from telling the whole story.

- Even if "shipped">>"sold", Samsung is not writing down 10s of millions of units in inventory. So the number of "sold" units must be quite decent.

- We can't ignore the fact that in North America, iPhones are so much more visible (not the case in Europe or Asia). Having said that, Samsung introduced Galaxy S3 (and S2 as well?) outside of NA first.  That might explain some of the discrepancy, but not all.  IMO, there aren't just more iPhones in consumers' hands, people also use their iPhones more - an observation also validated by mobile internet use stats.

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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post
Please tell us your "definition".

 

Hardware generation.

 

 It seems that everyone in the world is calling the next iPhone the iPhone 5, except for a vanishingly small number of people who think that their idiosycratic definitions are "correct". 

 

And everyone called the iPhone 3G "iPhone 2" before launch. Not to put too fine a point on it, but they're all idiots (these tech sites that perpetuate this crap), whining about how the iPhone 5 didn't come out last year, so it must be coming out this year.


Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post
Why do you all persist in this silly game?

 

Because I'm correct. The next iPhone is not "5" in any way. Except, probably, five star in rating systems that haven't devolved into the pathetic Like/Dislike nonsense.

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post #56 of 199
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post

 

 

All I ever see are iPhones.  I never see anything else in the wild.  /s

That is almost exactly right, your silly sarcasm tag notwithstanding. Go and troll somewhere else, man.

post #57 of 199
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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post


Samsung does not release any such number. This is just made up by some analyst.

This is exactly right.

 

You think any sane organization wouldn't be shouting audited numbers like this from their rooftops if it were actually true?

post #58 of 199
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?
That's easy, Android owners don't travel, they are too busy at home tweaking their phones!

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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post
Excellent post.

 

Don't post the word 'fanboy' or 'isheep' again. We've rules against that.

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post #60 of 199

Good for Samsung. Really.

 

Apple could sell more phones if they did not demand high margins on their product.

 

Apple could also sell more if they had more models/styles for different customers.


Samsung is doing the right thing.

 

BTW, I own an iPhone, as do many of my family members.

 

Apple will probably have a small market share internationally, eventually, due to what they charge carriers and customers for their phones.
 

post #61 of 199
Originally Posted by pfisher View Post
Apple could sell more phones if they did not demand high margins on their product.

 

Samsung has identical and higher margins, as well as lower.

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post #62 of 199
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

 

Excellent post.

 

It seems many fanbois simply can't possibly accept the fact that some people are happy to buy a Samsung phone over an iPhone and will use any excuse to try and discredit the figures.

 I know! Things are degenrating so fast, it looks like Twilight's Team Edward vs. Team Jacob board already! Or maybe Team Aniston vs. Team Jolie.

post #63 of 199
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Originally Posted by pfisher View Post

Good for Samsung. Really.

 

Apple could sell more phones if they did not demand high margins on their product.

 

Apple could also sell more if they had more models/styles for different customers.


Samsung is doing the right thing.

 

BTW, I own an iPhone, as do many of my family members.

 

Apple will probably have a small market share internationally, eventually, due to what they charge carriers and customers for their phones.
 

 How much do you think Galaxt S3 coming six months ahead of iPhone 5 might hurt Apple later?

 

All I know was one year head start cannot be overcome within that generation. Just ask PlayStation 3. But how about half of that time span?

post #64 of 199

shipped ≠ sold

It's funny; here in Switzerland carriers are giving away Samsung phones for free when you buy an iPhone.  That's right.  for every iPhone sold, you get a free Samsung smartphone.  OK, that's shipped, but not sold!

post #65 of 199
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?

Have you ever considered that unlike the iPhone, Android phones have had LTE capabilities for some time? Maybe Android users are simply using their superior 4G connection instead of crappy public Wi-Fi? I typically get download speeds of 10+Mbps with LTE...I doubt any airport Wi-Fi even comes close.

 

Also, your comment is a good reminder that anyone can scan a public Wi-Fi network, and to avoid them when possible :) I wonder if your employer knows you are running network scans?

post #66 of 199

It's funny; here in Switzerland carriers are giving away Samsung phones for free when you buy an iPhone.  That's right, for every iPhone sold, Samsung "ships" a smartphone.  OK, that's shipped vs sold!

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Don't post the word 'fanboy' or 'isheep' again. We've rules against that.

 

I think you should add troll to your ban list. It's often used to mean 'person who disagrees with me'.

post #68 of 199
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Europe, Asia, Oceana.  I get the impression Samsung is far more prominent in markets outside the US than within

At the airport I work at, there's a ton of visitors from Europe and South America - I'd think all the legions of Android users from outside the USA would want to use that free airport Wi-Fi, eh?  I guess like somebody mentioned, maybe the Android users don't use airplanes and take a bus instead.  

post #69 of 199
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Samsung has identical and higher margins, as well as lower.

 So can they get youngsters with cheap Galaxy Pocket/Mini today to trade up to Galaxy S3 or maybe medium-sized Ace in the next two years? If they can, they might be ready to face Apple on more equal footings.

 

I believe Mac mini came out for the same reason; entry level Mac for existing PC owners so they can trade up to iMac later on. Didn't work quite as planned though.

post #70 of 199

an empire built on the back of copying apple designs… nice way to turn a profit, eh? only one piece of evidence required. Samsung mobile phone handset designs, before and after iPhone...

 

some would call it simple 'competition', I see it more like outright theft...

 

here's hoping some of the design infringement court cases fall apple's way. 

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BS - I'll post whatever the f*** I want. Who the hell do you think you are anyway. 

 A hatchet man perhaps. IDG hires scores of them. Go take a look.

post #72 of 199
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

Err AI, shipments versus sold?  Apples to Oranges?  At any rate, other than seeing tech pundits like Leo Laporte shilling for the Galaxy S III, I've only seen one in the wild.  Where's the hordes of crowds who bought and carry it around?  

This line is starting to sound pretty pathetic.

post #73 of 199
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

At the airport I work at, there's a ton of visitors from Europe and South America - I'd think all the legions of Android users from outside the USA would want to use that free airport Wi-Fi, eh?  I guess like somebody mentioned, maybe the Android users don't use airplanes and take a bus instead.  

 Don't they have to buy Wi-Fi account first. They don't sell that in arrival hall. I think they would pull out their Android when they left the airport and in town, where Wi-Fi are either cheaper for free.

post #74 of 199
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

BTW AI, have you thought about doing some investigative journalism on these fantastical claims by Samsung/Google?  I work at a major airport in Florida and when running a simple network scan on the free Wi-Fi service, it invariably shows about 90% connections from Apple devices vice anything else.  Where are all these Android phones hiding?

 

That is easy. I never connect to free Wi-Fi for two very simple reasons.
 
1. My LTE is faster than most free Wi-Fi.
 
2. I know there are people like you that "Scan" free Wi-Fi.
 
The only time I connect to any Wi-Fi is at home or office. I don't even bother connecting to friend's Wi-Fi because I don't need to connect; LTE is more than fast enough for video steaming, games, and browsing.
post #75 of 199

So 10 million shipments of their top-end, flagship phone, and 40+ million of their "other" stuff, ranging from the good, the bad, to the downright ugly, at all price points.  Shipped? Sold?

 

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/all-products

 

When I figure out why and how to be impressed about this (market flooding) I'll let you guys know. 


Edited by Quadra 610 - 7/26/12 at 9:30am
post #76 of 199
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post

 Don't they have to buy Wi-Fi account first. They don't sell that in arrival hall. I think they would pull out their Android when they left the airport and in town, where Wi-Fi are either cheaper for free.

No, there's no sign-up involved - it's free Wi-Fi 


Edited by markbyrn - 7/26/12 at 9:30am
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Don't post the word 'fanboy' or 'isheep' again. We've unwritten rules against that and TS selectively enforces them.

 

There, I fixed that for you.

 

Honestly, if your going to keep stating this, you should at least be consistent in your monitoring. Instead, you let handfuls of pro-apple comments use 'fanboy' without saying anything, and then jump on the first one that isn't 100% pro-apple.

 

Don't you at least want to give the perception that AI moderators are un-biased in their enforcement of rules?

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There, I fixed that for you.

 

Nope, they're written. And I don't do the enforcing.

Originally Posted by helia

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post #79 of 199
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Originally Posted by malta View Post

 

That is easy. I never connect to free Wi-Fi for two very simple reasons.
 
1. My LTE is faster than most free Wi-Fi.
 
2. I know there are people like you that "Scan" free Wi-Fi.
 
The only time I connect to any Wi-Fi is at home or office. I don't even bother connecting to friend's Wi-Fi because I don't need to connect; LTE is more than fast enough for video steaming, games, and browsing.

That makes sense provided the LTE signal is good and you have an unlimited data cap and  - most don't.  Also, at the airport, there's lot of visitors from outside the country who would have to pay extremely roaming charges and so the free Wi-Fi is used heavily.  

post #80 of 199
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This is exactly right.

 

You think any sane organization wouldn't be shouting audited numbers like this from their rooftops if it were actually true?

 

Er, no, it's exactly wrong.  I gave a link in post 48

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