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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Nope, they're written. And I don't do the enforcing.

Oh really??? Maybe you can reference them then. Only thing I see in the AI TOS is:

 

"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

 

Oddly, no mention of 'fanboy'....

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That makes sense provided the LTE signal is good and you have an unlimited data cap and  - most don't.  Also, at the airport, there's lot of visitors from outside the country who would have to pay extremely roaming charges and so the free Wi-Fi is used heavily.  

 

Do you even know what LTE signals may be in your airport, or are you just making stuff up? Also, no-one is going over some 2GB cap while waiting for their flight. You just think that everyone uses their LTE connection EXCEPT when they go to airport because they are suddenly concerned about their data cap? Absurd logic...

 

With the exception of major international hubs, most airport traffic is still going to be domestic. Do you even work at MIA which is the only Florida airport that may have at least a nominally significant percentage of international travelers???

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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

 

BS - I'll post whatever the f*** I want. Who the hell do you think you are anyway. 

 

Who…? um, ahem… Apple Insider Forums "global moderator" maybe?

 

It's more like, no, you WON'T post whatever the f* you want… they'll make and enforce whatever rules they like. It's their sandbox, and you only get to play here by their rules...

 

If you're not cool with that, go elsewhere to play, no problem at all...

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Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post

 Don't they have to buy Wi-Fi account first. They don't sell that in arrival hall. I think they would pull out their Android when they left the airport and in town, where Wi-Fi are either cheaper for free.

I guess you missed the part of his post that said "free WiFi"…? 

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Don't post the word 'fanboy' or 'isheep' again. We've rules against that.

 

 

Where is that rule?  I'd like to see it and all the other official rules.

post #87 of 199
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Originally Posted by malta View Post

 

That is easy. I never connect to free Wi-Fi for two very simple reasons.
 
1. My LTE is faster than most free Wi-Fi.
 
2. I know there are people like you that "Scan" free Wi-Fi.
 
The only time I connect to any Wi-Fi is at home or office. I don't even bother connecting to friend's Wi-Fi because I don't need to connect; LTE is more than fast enough for video steaming, games, and browsing.

 

1. Are you assuming that the vast majority of Android users are as "sophisticated" as you are? It would have to be that everyone is like you to skew those numbers so much...

 

2. Assuming there's LTE service in/near the airport he works at? It's anything but 'ubiquitous' yet, afaik...

 

3. He didn't say "scanning" as in "cellular scan" where he could "listen in" on your activities, read your emails and watch your typing…  he said "a simple network scan" which shows type of device, possibly browser used, and so on… that's possible anywhere you go online. It's mostly anonymous, other than an (assumedly) dynamically assigned IP address…  I don't know about your android phone, but my critical iPhone data is encrypted, and not easily accessed from just any network scanner...

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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post

 

 

Please tell us your "definition".

 

 It seems that everyone in the world is calling the next iPhone the iPhone 5, except for a vanishingly small number of people who think that their idiosycratic definitions are "correct". 

 

Well, letś see. Itś not the iPhone after the iPhone 4.  And itś not the 5th iPhone.  So there are lots of pretty good reasons not to call it 5, no?

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He didn't say "scanning" as in "cellular scan" where he could "listen in" on your activities, read your emails and watch your typing…  he said "a simple network scan" which shows type of device, possibly browser used, and so on… that's possible anywhere you go online. It's mostly anonymous, other than an (assumedly) dynamically assigned IP address…  I don't know about your android phone, but my critical iPhone data is encrypted, and not easily accessed from just any network scanner...

Exactly, there's are iOS applications called Fing and Snap that give you device connection information (router IP, manufacturer, MAC Address).  However, there is an Android application named Pixie that will allow you to readily capture unencrypted network packets for nefarious purposes, and it's sold on the Google Play Store.  I guess Google loves everything to be "open" lol.gif

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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

 

Well, letś see. Itś not the iPhone after the iPhone 4.  And itś not the 5th iPhone.  So there are lots of pretty good reasons not to call it 5, no?

I don't see those as good reasons, especially since everybody and their brother calls it the iPhone 5.

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Markbyrn, it's very rare that I connect to public wifi. It isn't necessary with 4g, not to mention less secure.

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Originally Posted by tribalogical View Post

3. He didn't say "scanning" as in "cellular scan" where he could "listen in" on your activities, read your emails and watch your typing…  he said "a simple network scan" which shows type of device, possibly browser used, and so on… that's possible anywhere you go online. It's mostly anonymous, other than an (assumedly) dynamically assigned IP address…  I don't know about your android phone, but my critical iPhone data is encrypted, and not easily accessed from just any network scanner...

 

You can only tell what type of browser/device someone is using by checking header information in HTTP requests. Unless you are the requested server (which an airport WiFi router would NOT be), the only way to see this information is to "listen in". While the data ON your iPhone may be encrypted, that isn't the case for any data that you are transmitting from your phone when using an unencrypted HTTP connection, like username/passwords, email, and anything else.

post #93 of 199
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Because I'm correct. The next iPhone is not "5" in any way.

 

I agree with the last sentence, by and large. But this to and fro has been going on for almost 1 yr. What's the point? Is asserting your position so important to you? Are you so sure the rest of the people here will assume you are wrong if you don't reassert yourself repeatedly? You sound off from the same soapbox so often that you come off more righteous than right. Just MO. No offense intended.

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Who…? um, ahem… Apple Insider Forums "global moderator" maybe?

 

It's more like, no, you WON'T post whatever the f* you want… they'll make and enforce whatever rules they like. It's their sandbox, and you only get to play here by their rules...

 

If you're not cool with that, go elsewhere to play, no problem at all...

 

Tribalogical - cool handle.  Pretty smooth, ironically ;-)

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Let us know when competition exists.

 

 

 

 

it started years ago and continues to persist.  regardless of your world-view, the reality is Apple makes fantastic products that appeals to many people and its competitors make great devices as well.

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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

This line is starting to sound pretty pathetic.

It may be, but it is fact-based.

post #97 of 199
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

Exactly, much of the tech Apple uses in their devices was invented by someone else and Apple bought the company. A single company no matter how big can think of everything.

Yes, much of the technology Apple uses was invented by others. Yet it was Apple that consolidated existing technology and integrated it into a way to make the world's best selling phone - and the world's most widely copied phone.
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Here's a typical low end Android phone. 600MHz CPU, 240x320 screen, QVGA video recording at 15 frames per second.

Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
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Originally Posted by pfisher View Post

Good for Samsung. Really.

Apple could sell more phones if they did not demand high margins on their product.

Apple could also sell more if they had more models/styles for different customers.

Ferrari could sell more cars if they sold a subcompact economy car, too. But why should they?
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post #98 of 199
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

 

Er, no, it's exactly wrong.  I gave a link in post 48

Ummm... no, you provided a link to a Samsung executive talking about 10M sales in a press event. Like "it's smooth." (i) That's not 52 million -- which is an estimated number pulled out of a hat; (ii) It's not reported anywhere on Samsung's website (leave alone audited financials). When you have actual reported numbers, we'll be getting somewhere. Until then, its pure PR (and Fandroid) fantasies. Fail.

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I think you should add troll to your ban list. 

I wish AI would add more trolls to the ban list. lol.gif

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Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".

post #101 of 199

Samsung didn't give any figures this was another company, so who knows how they worked it out, might have added tablets to the figures, galaxy nexus :S or counted activation like google does, whatever that means?

they aren't making the same money as apple & i guess that is a companies main goal, even tho they say to make great stuff :p the investors are after the fat moola

post #102 of 199
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".

Or cheapo toys. Or more likely, both.

post #103 of 199
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Originally Posted by silverpraxis View Post

Let's not forget what happened to the last largest mobile phone producer, Nokia. You can make, ship, or sell the most phones in the world, but if you don't make money from it, what's the point? Also, how is Samsung spending about half what Apple is on CPUs, yet producing more smartphones than Apple's entire lineup of products? Something's fishy.

 

Yes, Apple is very much like Nokia.  Apple can make as many iphones as you want, but there is a limit to how Apple can capitalize on Sony and Sharp's design / technical innovation.

 

Your brain smells fishy. Samsung doesn't sell too many smartphones / laptops with 128+GB Flash or Intel/AMD CPUs.  

post #104 of 199
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".

 

No, Sherlock. If they are merely "shipping" and not "selling", there would be no profit at all.  Samsung's balance sheet would look more like LG's (or Sony's for that matter). 

 

Of Samsung Electronics' four main divisions, only semiconductor and mobile divisions are making 10+% profit. 

post #105 of 199

Even if this number is true (i.e. sold, not shipped) who cares?  When was Apple ever supposed to dominate the mobile phone market?  The fact they're doing as well as they are in the span of 5 years is amazing.  And as others have pointed out, Apple basically has one phone compared to other OEM's who have dozens of different models.  Really comparing apples and oranges there.
 

post #106 of 199
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Yes, much of the technology Apple uses was invented by others. Yet it was Apple that consolidated existing technology and integrated it into a way to make the world's best selling phone - and the world's most widely copied phone.
Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.
Ferrari could sell more cars if they sold a subcompact economy car, too. But why should they?
The sales discrepancy could easily be fixed once Apple releases a Prepaid iPhone that works on CDMA networks (not just US CDMA but also Chinas).

Either a 3GS+ or an iPhone Nano would fit the bill and then Samsung can kiss their short term sales leads goodbye.
post #107 of 199

Asia and to a lesser extent Europe...

post #108 of 199

The S3 is a great phone (weaker iOS, but still great phone).  I may go android (though for the convenience of the ecosystem with my mac computers and iPad am say 60% likely to stay and get iPhone 5).  

 

Lots of other people I know are thinking about it.  A few are thinking about it given customizability options with a more open OS.  Many, like me, are simply frustrated at the small screen size the iPhone 5 is likely to get.  To be honest, that is my only complaint.

 

So let's be honest

 

1.  Apple is still the market leader in laptops, tables and phones.

2.  The lead appears to be lessening in phones more so than other categories.  The Nexus and S3 are (for some) finally now real alternatives (iPhone may still win, but they are plausible).

3.  Competition is good for all as it will force Apple to keep innovating.

4.  Apple may in future be forced to fragment on screen sizes for phones (perhaps not until next year) as they do for laptops and soon will do for iPad.  The non-Apple market is responding to consumer demands for a 4.3 to 4.7 inch screen.  Do you really think Apple knows best here?  I'm not so sure.

post #109 of 199
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Of course it is. It is by definition. The next iPhone isn't the iPhone 5, also by definition.

Yeah, and a BMW 328, is the 328th BMW.

That is precisely it! The number does NOT represent the generation number, only did on the iPhone4. Gee, what a matte comment!
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What other comparisons are they going to do next? The number of hatchbacks have outsold the number of Rolls Royces this quarter?

Dozens of models of smart phones outselling 3 phones is not newsworthy. 2 tablets outselling dozens of other tablet models is.

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Funny... Samsung "shipped" twice as many phones as Apple "sold", yet made only half the money Apple did in the same quarter. Samsung makes a lot more than just smartphones, so all of their product lines combined generated just over $5B in the most recent quarter compared to Apple's almost $9B. What that tells me is that Samsung is selling only a fraction of the units they are actually "shipping".

 

And of that $5 billion...how much came from Apple to buy chips and screens????  lol.gif

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Hardware generation.

 

 

And everyone called the iPhone 3G "iPhone 2" before launch. Not to put too fine a point on it, but they're all idiots (these tech sites that perpetuate this crap), whining about how the iPhone 5 didn't come out last year, so it must be coming out this year.

 

Because I'm correct. The next iPhone is not "5" in any way. Except, probably, five star in rating systems that haven't devolved into the pathetic Like/Dislike nonsense.

Of course your right!!.... Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....go on now...hurry back....

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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
The number does NOT represent the generation number, only did on the iPhone4.

 

So you don't think there's a problem with giving a product a name that has nothing to do with the product? You'd be fine with Apple releasing a purple laptop and calling it the "WinScribe Blue"?

 

Excellent post! I'd hit the 'Add to reputation' button but can't on an iPad.

 

Touch it twice.

 

Originally Posted by geekdad View Post
Why don't you go to the Apple store and tell them you want to buy and iPhone 5? You insist that it is already out there so go buy it and report back to us with pictures of you and your iPhone 5....

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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post #113 of 199
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This seems like a fun game people are playing. Another random consulting firm claims Samsung shipped double the number of phones than the iPhone sold.


There, fixed it for you.

What did you fix for anybody?

Apple reports the sale at the time of shipment, ie they have sold it to a subsidy, an end customer, or a distributor. In reality, how is this different to the others?
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Exactly. Apple sold 27 M premium phones. Samsung sold 52 M phones of all types - everything from high end phones to midrange phones to idiot phones and even feature phones.

Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers
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Originally Posted by phalanx View Post

Nothing better than some healthy competition!!!!   

 

 

It is only healthy is Samsung is competing using its own innovations.

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Can you please post a reference from Apple specifing the number of iPhones sold per model? The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers


The 3GS is still a smart phone. It can do 90 percent or more of what the other models can do. It should be included int he numbers.

post #117 of 199
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Originally Posted by NYCMacFan View Post

The S3 is a great phone (weaker iOS, but still great phone).

 

 

 

I am confused as to what is great about it. It is made out of cheap plastics.

post #118 of 199
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The 3GS is still a smart phone. It can do 90 percent or more of what the other models can do. It should be included int he numbers.

You may need to go back and read what they wrote, they said Apple sold 27m premium phones, the iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, is it is budget phone. It is in the same class as the cheap Android phones people go on about
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3.  Competition is good for all as it will force Apple to keep innovating.

 

 

Competition is good only if the competition is also innovating.

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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
The iPhone 3GS is not a premium phone, yet you seem to be including the sales of it in your numbers

 

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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