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Not to worry.  Microsoft will claim millions and millions of Windows 8 sales in the first few months.  They'll crow about Windows 8 market share in enterprise, thanks to those corporate PC sales by HP, Dell, and others, with Windows 8 pre-installed.  But actual usage will be far smaller.  Because corporate IT departments around the world will just re-image all those PCs with XP like always.  And consumers won't like Windows 8 at all.  Only the most rabid Microsoft faithful among them will pay $40 to upgrade.  The rest will get Windows 8 by default when their old PC freezes up and they're forced to buy a new one.  And they'll hate it.

 

 

Indeed , in the case of professional world, the prescriber (the IT Department)  is not the actual user (or just a tiny part of it).

 

Indeed again, an incredibly high number of Windows users quit accessing to Internet, just because .. it's too much trouble , too risky, and the destiny of their PCs is to die "frozen".

 

Companies replace their PCs when the cost of maintaining them to life exceeds the replacement cost. Consumer users replace them when they are fed up of doing the continuous clean up work (defragmenting, chasing viruses, eliminating incompatible applications , etc ...) it requires.

 

When Mac users replace their Mac, it is because they cannot resist to the appeal of a new one, but the old one is still functional. They keep it, most of the time, but if not, they can sell it easily on the second hand market.

 

What is to be pointed out, I think, is that Apple has raised the OS capabilities to an unprecedent level. It is not just discussing how easy it is to access to applications, data (although it does matter), but it is about providing the user multiple means of communication (keyboard (possibly virtual), mouse (idem), but also voice input, gestures ...

 

Not to mention, also, the Cloud capabilities, which enterprises will of course ban, but which be change the average consumer life.

 

Microsoft stuff, from this standpoint, will appear as totally obsolete.

 

Admitedly, this might not be a strong selling point for the prescribers in the professional world, but for the consumers, it will be a different story ...


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Personally, I'm pulling for Microsoft 8 to be successful. Apple needs competition. It didn't create the iPhone or iPad because it had nothing better to do.

And per the MSFT haters... need I remind you guys... one of MSFT's biggest fans, is the OTHER Steve... Steve Wozniak.


Per the Huffington Post July 10, 2012...

These new products are so visually appealing, Wozniak joked, it's as though "Steve Jobs was reincarnated at Microsoft."


Wozniak, who has noted his admiration for the Windows Phone operating system before, likes the Jobs-esque artistic vision coming out of Microsoft, marveling at what he perceives as a sharp turnaround in quality:

"I'm glad that Microsoft is starting to show that maybe they're a different company than before," he said. "I don't remember this sort of thing happening in a long, long time from Microsoft."

Frankly, no one cares.

First, Wozniak was a computer geek. He was a genius at soldering components and designing circuit boards. His knowledge of UI for an average consumer is about as close to zero as it can be.

Second, Wozniak's knowledge is incredibly outdated. While he loves to buy geeky things and toys, he hasn't done any serious work for decades. And he NEVER did any UI or OS work.
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Everything that Microsoft has changed in Windows 8 is wrong.


Someone correct me. I don't want to be right about that, but I can't seem to remember anything I preferred over earlier versions.

 

I've tried Windows 8 and its an absolute travesty. Its going to hurt them big time.

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 Because corporate IT departments around the world will just re-image all those PCs with XP like always.  

Yeah the interesting thing about MS and serial number keys for XP is that once you have registered and run the PC for a year, you can load that same OS from the disk and re-register the new computer with the same key and continue to run it on the old computer too. This only works if you have a full version of Windows not the OEM restore disk that comes with new computers. Apparently they assume that your old computer died and you transferred the OS to a new computer and rather than deal with the support nightmare they just let you do it.

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Vista was streets ahead of XP, but it was fundamentally different because it was by far a more modern OS than the one it was replacing.

Rubbish - Vista was a turd until SP1, and even then it was a polished turd until SP3 (that's Win7). MS gave up on much of the functionality that would have made it decent, like the revised FAT (winFS) that never materialized. File copying was a dog, the graphics stack was a mess (the GDI wasn't even hardware accelerated as it had been in XP and other versions of Windows, and every open window gobbled VRAM) which was only fixed in Win7, audio was butchered and only fixed in SP1 - add on to that the UAC, general bloat and driver issues, and you can say Vista was MS's worse release with the possible exception of ME.


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I've heard that comment a number of times from different sources but nobody ever goes on to say why it's so bad. Not sure if it's just MS bashing or if Metro really is that bad. Perhaps someone would care to explain what's wrong with the Metro interface.

 

I'll try to answer this with my basic understanding of Win 8 (which again, is basic, but also a bit more than the average consumer.)

 

As far as Metro goes - it's basically a large skin on top of Windows. The traditional Windows environment still exists, programs will still run, but the system boots in this tiled, stripped down quick launch screen. (Imagine your mac boots iOS - simple, functional, but limited, and OSX exists below it) However MS is building stripped down apps specifically for metro - and encouraging developers to do the same - what this means is basically much stricter style guidelines, which is not necessarily a benefit of programs that have been optimized for regular desktop use over the past 15 years. Metro is perhaps cleaner and sleek, but it seems like form over function to me - and I don't see many big developers actually building 'metro' style apps. For example - iTunes - No way will Apple completely redesign iTunes just so it fits into Windows' new theme. Which means when people want to use real applications, they will have to switch back to regular windows mode - making Metro more of an annoyance. I don't think people in general will want to use it.

 

It gets slightly more complicated with Windows 8 RT, which is built specifically for tablets running ARM architecture (to my knowledge, mobile and power optimized.) Windows and the core MS stuff will run on this, but I'm not sure other applications from 3rd party developers will unless they are specifically optimized. (Again, could be wrong, but it's like how a Windows program won't run on OSX or Linux). The thing is, Windows RT will look identical to Windows, it's called Windows, people will think it's Windows, but it wont be able to run many traditional Windows applications. These tablets may have better battery life and built on hardware the mobile space needs, they may be a good idea in theory to develop a mobile app space - but it seems like running 'Windows' on it will be a confusing step back or not a bold enough step forward.

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Rubbish - Vista was a turd until SP1, and even then it was a polished turd until SP3 (that's Win7). MS gave up on much of the functionality that would have made it decent, like the revised FAT (winFS) that never materialized. File copying was a dog, the graphics stack was a mess (the GDI wasn't even hardware accelerated as it had been in XP and other versions of Windows, and ever open windows gobbled VRAM) which was only fixed in Win7, audio was butchered and only fixed in SP1 - add on to that the UAC, general bloat and driver issues, and you can say Vista was MS's worse release with the possible exception of ME.

In some ways it's hard to argue with his comment about being "streets ahead." It certainly had a lot of features that made it better than XP and it was the first Windows OS to follow Mac OS X/NeXTSTEP instead of the old Mac OS system. The problem with Vista was the backend was horrid which makes it odd that Win8 has reversed all that because the backend is pretty damn good but they completely obfuscated the UI and their marketing focus.

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- Windows 8 (the desktop part) is exactly the same as Windows 7 so saying it "torches" Windows 7 is a ridiculous thing to say.

Incorrect.  The Windows 8 desktop has added many incremental improvements including improved Windows Explorer, multi-monitor improvements, and the loss of Aero and the new flat desktop style.

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Apple needs competition. It didn't create the iPhone or iPad because it had nothing better to do.

 

 

 

I've got news for you. 

 

That is EXACTLY what they did. 

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The interface looks like ass.  Period.  

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Let's glaze over all of the under-the-hood improvements and changes, and let's judge Windows 8 on Metro alone. 

 

Metro with a tablet?  Metro with a mouse and keyboard is not a good experience.  People with desktops and laptops will stick with Windows 7.  There is no compelling reason for them to upgrade.  

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I can see a great ad campaign coming out of Apple... Switcher v2.

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In some ways it's hard to argue with his comment about being "streets ahead." It certainly had a lot of features that made it better than XP and it was the first Windows OS to follow Mac OS X/NeXTSTEP instead of the old Mac OS system.

I don't agree, although I'd hate to use this forum to argue about the merits of a 7 year old version of Windows. At its guts, Vista was still NT (as was XP before it). It came with a shiney new coat (Aero) but there was horrible GUI inconsistencies, poor performance and the actual interface didn't really change. Some windows were glass, others were still grey for example.

 

There were some improvements of course, 64-bit finally worked properly (although unlike on Mac, it was either/or, it couldn't run in both modes). But even so, I haven't even gone into things like the ludicrous number of versions, pricing, resource requirements, application and driver incompatibility etc. When Apple dumps old technology, it's relatively painless because its users are not so tied to legacy, but when MS does it. Ouch. MS is bound by its own history and 'non-standards', which is pretty funny when you think about it.

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post #54 of 159
He says that with zero argumentation and would like to dismiss with words the work of thousand of MS engineers.

He may be scared that MS is going to introduce Gakai streaming games on all their OSs.

Edit : I mean of course I prefer MacOS, but Win8 doesn't look that bad and I just don't understand people who bash without explaining themselves.
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Hedging his bets with...Linux? Hilarious. Win8 might be a catastrophe, but that doesn't mean Linux's marketshare will budge an inch. 

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I doubt that Windows 8 will be a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space.  It will only be a catastrophe for everyone if Windows 8 is successful, and disrupts the old-school Windows XP/Vista/7 gravy train.  And only if Surface really does disrupt the legacy Wintel PC model.  Only then will we see the mess that Newell predicts.

But, if Surface does succeed (in some distorted alternate universe)  it will disrupt the legacy Wintel PC model, and yes, it will be a disaster for the HPs, Dells, and Lenovos of the world.  Because they won't be in the loop any more.  Microsoft's single Surface OEM will make all the money.  The rest will see sales decline, they'll need to ship PCs with Linux installed, and the few corporate IT departments and home hobbyists who actually use Linux will support only a tiny fraction of their former legacy Windows PC sales.

Not to worry.  Microsoft will claim millions and millions of Windows 8 sales in the first few months.  They'll crow about Windows 8 market share in enterprise, thanks to those corporate PC sales by HP, Dell, and others, with Windows 8 pre-installed.  But actual usage will be far smaller.  Because corporate IT departments around the world will just re-image all those PCs with XP like always.  And consumers won't like Windows 8 at all.  Only the most rabid Microsoft faithful among them will pay $40 to upgrade.  The rest will get Windows 8 by default when their old PC freezes up and they're forced to buy a new one.  And they'll hate it.

I don't believe in doomsday predictions about Windows 8 precislely because Microsoft managed to survive Vista and Office 2007 (and it's confusing ribbon bar interface). And Microsoft didn't grow to its stature in the 90s through refinement or quality. Their sales have never been driven by superior quality or design. They got big in the 80s and 90s because of their OEMs, not in spite of them. That is what troubles me the most about Surface: their commodity PC partners are no longer the platform's strength, not if Microsoft decides that it needs to pay the game Apple's way (integrated hardware and software). The joke here is that Microsoft can't truly do that: if Windows 8 or RT get one Surface-exclusive software feature, the OEMs will raise a stink about Microsoft's anticompetitive behavior. On the other hand, if Microsoft tries to support every hardware device with Windows OS, it'll never be as tightly integrated or nimble as Apple's products.

No, Windows 8 will live or die on consumer appeal (enterprise be damned), and compared to the simplicity of the iPad, the slick hardware of the MacBook Pro and Air, Windows 8 will have a tough time.

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I can see a great ad campaign coming out of Apple... Switcher v2.

I have had the thought, although I don't think Apple is really doing this, that maybe the reason for the delay in the new desktops is to have them introduced around the time that Windows 8 is introduced and possible get some more people to switch. That goes along with your ad campaign.

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I love the counter to your argument that you can still access the Start Button by using hidden keyboard shortcuts. Keyboard shortcuts are great, I use them all the time, but they should never be the primary or only way way you access any GUI element on a desktop OS.

You can just press the Windows key to access the Metro "Start" screen, but the Windows key was probably the least used button on the keyboard. So it works out to forcing the user base to use a button they've decided not to use.
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Gabe the ripper

Gabe has been ripping on Apple since day one.. come to think of it, what doesn't Gabe rip on?

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Windows 8 will be a" bag of hurt".
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You can just press the Windows key to access the Metro "Start" screen, but the Windows key was probably the least used button on the keyboard. So it works out to forcing the user base to use a button they've decided not to use.

In a way, I think Apple is doing something similar (not the same) with Mail in iOS 6. I like that to retrieve new Mail they now have the pull to refresh (or more accurately release to refresh) feature but they shouldn't have removed the button to refresh. It's not on the same level as MS is doing with WIn8 but it's in the same category. I think they should have both and then remove the button in iOS 7.

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I've got news for you. 

That is EXACTLY what they did. 

I think what these "I hope Microsoft succeeds because Apple needs competition" posters are saying is that without Microsoft and their 20 years of failure to make the tablet PC mainstream, Apple would never have invented multitouch and the touch-centric OS, thus reinventing the tablet as something easy and useful for consumers, early critics who panned the iPad as a giant iPod Touch be damned. Clearly, Microsoft deserves all the credit for iPad's success. Apple would never have created iPad without strong "competition" from Microsoft's tablet PC.

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Here's my prediction for the Windows 8 Launch 



 



1.  Windows 8 is released for sale and the tech pundits will hail Microsoft for evolving the OS, deep mobile integration, etc. 



 



2.  Consumers and Enterprise won't listen to the tech pundits, and will scrupulously avoid the Win 8 Metro UI mess.



 



3.  Realizing that the shilling for Microsoft isn't paying off and to save face, the tech pundits will do an 180 and lambast Ballmer for laying a Windows Vista egg.



Well said.
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Newell also revealed he isn't sold on the long-term viability of touchscreen-driven platforms like Apple's iPhone and iPad. He called touchscreen interfaces a "short-term" trend that will be "stable for 10 years."
In what he called a future "post-touch" era, Newell said he believes users will wear bands on their wrists that will enable complex gesture-based controls on future devices.
"You'll be doing something with your hands, which are really expressive," Newell said.

Really? Bands? I hope he is talking exclusively about gaming though I'd hate to be on the subway next to some kid playing on his "post-touch" device. Specially if it is 3d and sensurround, which all game playing device no doubt will be by then.

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Incorrect.  The Windows 8 desktop has added many incremental improvements including improved Windows Explorer, multi-monitor improvements, and the loss of Aero and the new flat desktop style.

 

BS.  It's so identical that no user will be able to find a difference and that's all that really matters.  

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Did anyone actually go read the article?  I don't understand this article being posted on this blog.  It is spun to be good news for Apple, but the article considers both Microsoft and Apple "closed" (not my option but clearly the author's and Gabe Newell's opinion).  

 

As far as this article is concerned, Apple is doing the same thing as Microsoft and moving towards a closed store/platform.   So it stands to reason that if Gabe says Microsoft is a 'catastrophe' then OSX is on the same road.  Before you string me up, keep reading.

 

Gabe has a clear agenda and this is complete FUD.  Microsoft is only making Windows RT (the ARM version of Windows 8 that has never existed before) a closed platform.  The Windows 8 that is the upgrade to Windows 7 (both 32-bit and 64-bit versions) will still be able to install software the same way it always has.  There MAY be an option to only allow software to be installed from the Microsoft Store, but I have not heard that and if there is, there is no doubt it can be turned off.  This is not me being pro-Micrsoft because I think Windows 8 IS a catastrophe for plenty of reasons, but that is due to real reasons and real problems...not made up ones.

 

As I was saying, Gabe Newell has an obvious agenda and is spreading FUD to try and have things his way.  Obviously he is going to be upset that Apple and Microsoft are setting up app stores because Valve now makes (most likely the majority of its) money from the Steam Store.  Official stores that sell games will likely hurt that business.  Gabe is trying to convince Microsoft to open up Windows RT by scaring everyone senseless.  No one even knows if Windows RT will be a success or not at this point.  It could end up being completely irrelevant.

 

The crux of the article is that they are porting Steam and Valve games to Linux so they have a open platform to work on in light of the direction both Apple and Microsoft are heading.   So WHY this article showed up on this blog and was spun as positive news is BEYOND me.  I don't see how the article linked to cast either Microsoft or Apple in a favorable light.

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Everything that Microsoft has changed in Windows 8 is wrong.


Someone correct me. I don't want to be right about that, but I can't seem to remember anything I preferred over earlier versions.

 

 

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It gets slightly more complicated with Windows 8 RT, which is built specifically for tablets running ARM architecture (to my knowledge, mobile and power optimized.) Windows and the core MS stuff will run on this, but I'm not sure other applications from 3rd party developers will unless they are specifically optimized. (Again, could be wrong, but it's like how a Windows program won't run on OSX or Linux). The thing is, Windows RT will look identical to Windows, it's called Windows, people will think it's Windows, but it wont be able to run many traditional Windows applications. These tablets may have better battery life and built on hardware the mobile space needs, they may be a good idea in theory to develop a mobile app space - but it seems like running 'Windows' on it will be a confusing step back or not a bold enough step forward.

 

The situation is even worse than you describe.  Windows RT will not "run windows and the core MS stuff."  Windows RT will only run a "mock" desktop, and only the MS Office apps (ported to ARM versions), which will come pre-installed and you won't be able to mess with them.  No third party software will be allowed at all on the desktop (Metro apps will be allowed if they are installed from MS's store only).  

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As far as this article is concerned, Apple is doing the same thing as Microsoft and moving towards a closed store/platform.   

 

Except in Apple's case, consumers just can't get enough of it. Apple has been "closed platform" for years now. 

 

Apple does it right. 

 

MS lays eggs in trying to be what they are not, what they are not set up for, and what their attitude about how people should interact with tech simply does not support. 

 

There is no undergirding philosophy or culture to support the creation and success of an Apple-like business model in Redmond. You'd have to completely rewrite the MS orientation book and do a complete overhaul of management, for starters. Apple has around 30 years of experience in perfecting their craft. MS would like to achieve the same overnight with a clown running the show, with his circus side-show sidekick Steven Sinofsky and his team of yes-men. Microsoft DOES NOT THINK, they simply REACT. There is nothing really substantial behind their push toward a vertical business-model. Or some hybrid, mish-mash of half-baked ideas that they're trying to pass off as one. 


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BS.  It's so identical that no user will be able to find a difference and that's all that really matters.  

I stand by my statement.  It's not exactly the same as you noted.  Granted, the Windows 8 desktop is the perfection(my opinion, you're welcome to disagree) of the Windows 7 desktop but it's definitely has it's differences.  If you put the final non-Aero version of the desktop in front of a user, they would absolutely be able to tell it wasn't Windows 7.

 

Functionally, they are close to being the same with Windows 8 making the needed additions and improvements to the desktop environment.

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Apple will already double their Mac market share if Metro is so bad.

 

Meanwhile, Apple's tablet market share will not suffer at all when the Surface drops.  Not only is Metro lame, but the cheapest Surface is said to be about $1000.

 

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I think what is going on at Microsoft is a lack of vision at the top.  There is not anyone I am aware of there who has a clear, innovative vision of what they should be doing.  They obviously CAN do a lot, but their products all have that designed by committee feel to them.  And Steve Ballmer?  That guy doesn't even have the vision to select a good pair of pants.  They need a real leader there.

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He may have been a great hardware engineer and a charming geek, and we love him for it, but Steve Wozniak has zero taste.  Why do you think that Steve Jobs never brought him back to Apple?

 

Invoking the opinions of "the other Steve" carries absolutely no weight with me.

 

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And you see where Woz is. NOT at Apple. Haha. :)

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Except in Apple's case, consumers just can't get enough of it. Apple has been "closed platform" for years now. 

 

Apple does it right. 

 

MS lays eggs in trying to be what they are not, what they are not set up for, and what their attitude about how people should interact with tech simply does not support. 

 

I was pointing out what the article said.  I was not stating my opinion.  Just bought a Macbook in March and after using Windows for years and couldn't be happier.  My complaint isn't with Apple but with AppleInsider posting a link to this article that I don't believe has anything to do with Apple.  At best I believe the person who wrote the original article has a pro-Linux agenda and AppleInsider tried to spin it as pro-Apple.

 

I don't expect "un-biased" coverage from an Apple blog.  I just don't see how they drew a conclusion that Valve will be diverting more attention to Mac when Gabe Newell is criticizing closed platforms and discussing Valve's desire to give Linux more attention.  Personally, I believe Gabe has no intention to give up on Intel-based Windows or OSX platforms, but he is spreading FUD to try and have Microsoft open Windows RT to 3rd party app stores.   

 

But I still don't see how ANYONE could logically come to the conclusion that the original article was intended to be good news for the Mac version of Steam.  That concept does not appear in the original article and is COMPLETELY fabricated by this blog.

 

(now I am just waiting to be reported and have my post removed)

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GIant-ass tiles, low information density Metro crap, doesn't look anything like previous Windows... what could go wrong?!

 

1000

 

and...

 

1000

 

 

Metro UI = low information density garbage.

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I found a video detailing how MS's product tested Windows 8...


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"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

 

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GIant-ass tiles, low information density Metro crap, doesn't look anything like previous Windows... what could go wrong?!

 

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Metro UI = low information density garbage.

 

Oh, my....

 

I wonder if MS will send out a new "coaster" every week -- with 10,000 free hours...

 

I have the complete AOL set -- some in their original packaging :)


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GIant-ass tiles, low information density Metro crap, doesn't look anything like previous Windows... what could go wrong?!

 

 

and...

 

 

Metro UI = low information density garbage.

 

Sigh, why do I bother correcting folks? Here goes... 

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If you'll notice the screen, 6 of those tiles are showing at a glance information.  Interesting, not a grid of static icons, but a grid of tiles showing up-to-date information on each app.  That's not low information density at all.  The iPad home screen is a better example of low information density.

iPad 16 GB(1st gen), iPod touch 8 GB (4th gen), iPod shuffle (2nd gen), iPod shuffle (4th gen)

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iPad 16 GB(1st gen), iPod touch 8 GB (4th gen), iPod shuffle (2nd gen), iPod shuffle (4th gen)

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GIant-ass tiles, low information density Metro crap, doesn't look anything like previous Windows... what could go wrong?!

 

and...

 

1000

 

 

Metro UI = low information density garbage.

 

The first of these reminds me of Proloquo2go for the iPad/iPhone:

1000

 

This is a very well done app -- and with an iPad, saves the user thousands of dollars and delivers a superior mobile experience.

 

http://www.assistiveware.com/product/proloquo2go

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