Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Originally Posted by rcfa
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Originally Posted by rcfa
...total disaster that was Lion.
If that is your experience then I can understand a rant. Out of curiosity, can you give one example of what you think was badly done in Lion? And make it a lasting statement, well founded, grounded, solid statement of why it was bad. Something like "I didn't like the Auto-version-ing as opposed to the Save-as commands because when working on a picture on my SD card it never asked me to safe changes; it all happened automatically and I cannot revert to the original version"
Examples, more than I care to remember:
I understand from the following list there is probably no way to make you see things differently, so I won't even try to. Also don't want to try to make you see things differently. But there are a few items that I can comment on, hopefully with something you'll find useful.
a) kitschy, dysfunctionally decorated apps (AddressBook, iCal, etc.) that sacrifice functionality (e.g. the back and forth paging between AddressBook groups and address list view, which is a massive step backwards from the clean, functional Snow Leopard (and before) interface of AddressBook, which allowed you to adjust the width of the various columns and panes to fit your working style and screen space)
They really did a poor job with this new 'theme' or whatever one wants to call it. A few hours a week I use Windows, and actually like the integrated approach Outlook has. However, since that program is such a pain to use, I can only say that the integration of 4 apps into 1 makes sense. To me.
Well, I don't mind Contacts to be separate, because I use that also for addressing envelopes and making phone calls, so it's not necessarily all that related to Mail.app. But Calendar and ToDos are more or less the same, in the sense that everything we have To Do, is either an event, has a due date, or is an open ended task. So to dos need some calender integration, and so I want them to be integrated with calendaring. And Notes I often send to myself as a quick e-mail anyway, or send them on to someone else as e-mail. So that's why notes were not misplaced in Mail, even though I don't mind them being a separate app. But the ripping apart of Reminders and Calendar is just an ill conceived attempt of creating a one-to-one correspondence between OS X apps and iOS apps, completely forgetting that these things likely were separate apps on the iOS devices due to limited screen space...
b) the "hunt for GUI elements" approach, which not only makes an artificial distinction between mouse and touch interfaces (cause there's no mouse-over in a touch interface), but is also unproductive, e.g. UI elements that only become visible when the mouse is near them, such as scroll bars, or the replacement of disclosure triangles with usually hidden "hide/show" tags
c) lack of UI precision, be that with the disappearance of scroll bar up/down buttons, or with the invisible, but existing window borders
Annoys me as well. I have set the scroll bars to always be in view, and understand your point.
Yup. There are many things that can be fixed, by fiddling with preferences, but the question is, once the default moves to something else, it's just a matter until when Apple removes the option to customize it. e.g. the "classic view" in Mail is just one step away from being called "deprecated view", even though on anything with a slightly larger screen it's much more productive than the "new" iPad inspired view.
d) the abandonment of what you see is what you manipulate: you can see a window below two neighboring windows, but you can't click it to the foreground, because the invisible (i.e. fully transparent), but existing, window borders register your click rather than the window that you see and think you're clicking. All in the name of "visual simplicity", when it castrates intuitive interaction
e) the un-natural "natural" scrolling, which neglects the difference between a full-screen touch interface and a windowed pointer interface
Sorry, missing this one…(2x)
Let me try again: There is a time when windows hat borders, these you could grab to resize the window. In the name of elegance, these were reduced to a narrow bar at the bottom of the window in NeXTSTEP, and to a resize corner in OS X. Now there is no UI element anymore, instead there is a "zone" near the window in which the cursor changes to the resize cursor shape. What this really means: we do have a window border again, except it's transparent. So now, do this: make move two windows over a third window, and move the two windows close together, such that there is still a narrow gap through which you can see the third window behind these two. Now try to click the third window in that gap to bring it to the foreground: WONT WORK. Because what you're really doing is not clicking the third window, but the transparent window border of one or the other of the two foreground windows.
Practical example: all the alert bubbles of the new notificaiton system have about a quarter of an inch gap between them, through which you can see the windows behind, but you can't click onto these windows, because what you're really clicking is the invisible/transparent window border of these alert bubbles.
This totally violates the direct manipulation paradigm. If my mouse pointer is over a window, a click should register in that window, and not on a window near the mouse pointer that happens to be layered higher. This is totally unintuitive, and simply the result of trying to get rid of window borders for design reasons.
f) Mission Control and the disappearance of two dimensional spaces and the show all windows command, which results much less efficient window management for anyone who has more than just a few open windows.
Because of that, I'll stick to Cmd-Tab.
ctrl-(some digit) works, too. But the problem with that is, if you have to use Remote Desktop, this becomes a massive hassle, because such commands are not properly forwarded to the remote system, but are interpreted locally. Since also the Menu Extra is gone, which allowed direct selection of a specific screen by number, this is a major productivity killer for admin type work.
Also, since I used to have my screens in a 3x3 grid, with mail in the middle position, I was for most things never more than a ctrl-arrowKey away (up was Safari, down was Skype/iChat/AddressBook, left was iCal, right was task specific software, with less important things, like Finder (1), preferences/Terminal (3), iTunes (7), and Remote Desktop (9). This was very productive. Now it's a lot of mousing/pointing to get the same effect (and without first disabling the constant rearranging of the screens it would be even worse.
Ideally, I'd have a 3x3 grid in a torroidal topology, which means in a grid like this:
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
the following squences can be achieved with ctrl-arrowKeys:
1<>2<>3<>1<>2<>3,... 4<>5<>6<>4<>5<>6,... 7-8<>9<>7<>8<>9, ... 1<>4<>7<>1<>4<>7, ... 2<>5<>8<>2<>5<>8, ... 3<>6<>9<>3<>6<>9
this would allow for rapid switching among all the 9 screens. The idea of lining up 9 screens in a line that can only be navigated sequentially is just retarded.
(yes, I can access directly by screen number, but that's not as quick and intuitive for me as relative motion)
g) the creation of an app rather than task centric interface, visible in both how iCloud document storage works, and in the lack of the all windows view of Mission Control
You can show all open documents within a single app in MC, which might be usefull to some. iCloud storage is utter crap, but I have to upgrade, nee, install 10.8 to see if it got any better.
In ML, at least one can change MC to no longer group windows by application, which helps things a lot. But in the SL days, I could have all my nine screens visible, with all windows exploded, and I could move a dozens of windows from one screen to another in rapid pace. An operation like this requires now that I navigate to each screen from which I want to move windows, and then move the windows to other screens, one screen at a time. This takes about twice as long.
This is particularly an issue, since windows don't remember which screen they were on when they get restored. e.g. say Safari is by default on screen 2 in my case. This is for general web browsing (quick lookups, reading news, etc.). But web pages that are relevant to specific work contexts, e.g. I work on some home renovation project and I'm looking for water heaters, end up on the screen that I use for working on that particular project. So now I may have about 40-50 Safari windows, and a software update requires me to reboot the computer. Try sorting the 50 windows to their appropriate screens after, do this once in SL and once in Lion and once in ML. Lion is by far the worst, ML is a bit better, but in SL that's at least twice as fast a process.
h) the discontinuation of keychain syncing, which is a massive step backwards in security, because if you can't sync keychains, you end up having to choose again passwords you can't remember, since you can't remember (and sync instead) a password like "ljkhOPU0-9ih(lG;Ghkglh_RDt" and will instead use something like "password123"
I agree that taking away a feature is never cool, but for this particular one I have them written down in an app which I can access on my iPhone, iPad and OSX, (without an internet connection) which I find a real hassle but workable solution. Everyone tells me to use 1password, but I'm weary on storing all that info into a 3rd party software app.
No app can replace a system facility. Because when it's a third party app, there's lots of politics involved if an app will or will not adopt that app. If it's an Apple provided facility, then that's less contentious. Even so, things like Opera and FireFox don't even use what Apple provides. 1Password is a crap, too. Much too flashy UI which takes up too much space, and it can't handle multiple keychains, which is a big issue where I work, because e.g. the boss may make some keychain accessible to some assistant (e.g. frequent flyer accounts for booking trips), but certainly not all his info (e.g. access to his personal bank account)..
So there's no replacement for keychain access, except that now there's no reasonable way to sync it anymore.
I'm tempted to just throw my keychains into ~/Library/Mobile Documents/ and see what happens, but I'm not sure how well the datastructure of keychains handles the syncing and simultaneous access by the system...
i) the creation of a standalone "Notes" app, instead of keeping it integrated into Mail.app, which just results in more app switching for no good reason, the creation of a separate Reminder's app instead of keeping To Do's in iCal, the removal of calendar groups, etc.
See my Outlook statement. I understand that they added week numbers to iCal, nee, Calendar. Something I have requested through their feedback pages for years. So that single thingy is nice, for me. And some other Europeans I take.
Week numbers are OK, but there were also shared calendars that offered that.
Worse is that nested calendars are all but gone. e.g. I may have a calendar group "work" and a calendar group "private". Each of them may contain a variety of things, like school vacations, conference dates, etc. So with say a dozen calendars for private and work each, switching from "work" mode to "private" mode means toggling 24 calendars: turn 12 on, and turn 12 off. If we had calendar groups again, that would be two clicks: turn the work group on, turn the private group off.
k) the AirPort utility, that no longer shows certain key information
I read that before upgrading to 6.0, so I kept 5.0 as well. Need to install it if I'm going to install 10.8. I might wait till 10.8.1, as I have always done, 'xcept for 10.7, which I regret*.
The problem is, the latest 5.6.1 refuses to install. I still have 5.6.0, but that misses the changes that 5.6.1 brought about. It's nice to have the net topology view in 6.x, but 5.x was more useful. Things like SNMP settings remain in the config, but can't be accessed with 6.x. Similarly a variety of other settings that can't be modified anymore (channel width, interference robustness, logs, client connections, location, etc.)
Also try to remote configure your AirPort net e.g. with Back To My Mac with the 6.x software. In 5.6.x they just show up in the list as usual, in 6.x you have to look for them under "other base stations"
l) OS X Server, which keeps losing functionality
etc. There is more, but that should give good enough of an impression.
No no, thanks for the feedback, appreciated. I come here to learn, and your post is an informative on how one uses their Mac, wants it to behave, and why etcetera.
I've been using NeXTSTEP since the 0.8 release, and Mac OS X since it was called Rhapsody Prerelease, and Lion is the worst in the entire 24 year history, and Mountain Lion is just a tad better.
Apple keeps dumbing down things past the point of usefulness.
Ah, old school. Love it. I've been using 3.3 and even got to use 4.0. OSX 10.0 was completely unusable with the Finder and all, but looked promising. They sure did 'jellybean-up' version after version, and I am happy with OSX as-is. Still have my Dock on the right, still wish for the old days. But do understand things get broken or discontinued, and realize I shouldn't linger on to how things were.
I'm never for old stuff for the sake of it being old, but similar I'm not for new stuff, for the sake of it being new. It has to make sense, and lots of things were added because they "demo well", not because they make users more productive. I'm maybe old-fashioned in the sense that I consider a computer a tool, not a eye-candy-show-off-toy.
(*)Though I do have my own gripes:
- Aperture switching to Full Screen is a strep backwards from how it was in 10.6. Simply because they had to make it the same as all apps now can go Full Screen.
- File Versioning. It really is a bug if someone changes a file on a non HFS FS like an SD card and doesn't ask the user to save the changes.
- MobileMe Gallery. Photo Stream is not a replacement. Nor is it part of the OS some will say. But with its tight integration into Aperture, iOS Gallery.ipa and all I believe it is indeed a part of the whole ecosystem as it supposedly is called. I'm all for progress, but don't kill off things that were working perfectly before and got no successor whatsoever.
- Preview Save a copy (or whatever) always defaults to the Desktop in 10.7 Before, it would default to the location of the original file.
- The Finders' sidebar. I cannot drag items out of it and see it dissapear in a poof. Right-click, choose…ooh, how MS-like.
- Colored icons. I understand their stance on 'distracting', but to first remove colored icons from iTunes, getting hammered 'from the community' and then to continue to expand on this feature by doing the same thing in Aperture is beyond my comprehension.
- The Finder would auto-mount a network disk if I dropped a file on its icon in the sidebar. No more with 10.7
An so on and so forth. Some miss Sherlock, some miss the old Cmd-I that would update its info when clicking on a different file. Then you find out that still works by hitting Cmd-Option-I. I surely hope these options are all preserved in 10.8.
I agree with most of that. As for the cmd-i: try cmd-alt-i
One of the few useful "hidden" features...Edited by rcfa - 7/29/12 at 5:52pm