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Countering Samsung's allegations that the iPhone borrowed design elements from Sony, Apple has revealed an iPhone prototype dating back to 2005 that shares many design elements with the iPhone 4 released in 2010.

Referred to internally as "Purple," the prototype created in August 2005 was revealed in new court documents in the Apple-Samsung lawsuit, which is set to kick off in court today. The filing, highlighted by The Verge on Monday, shows a white iPhone dominated by a touchscreen on the front, with a home button below the display that reads "Menu."

The prototype design has flat sides and curved corners much like the iPhone 4, and the back of the device has a spot for a camera lens in the upper right corner. Apple revealed the "Purple" design in an attempt to show the court that its smartphone design was not stolen from Sony.

Samsung previously asserted in court that Apple's iPhone design was inspired by Sony's aesthetics. As evidence of this, it showed a prototype iPhone from 2006 from Apple designer Shin Nishibori that included the word "Jony," presumably in honor of Apple's lead designer Jony Ive, in the same font and style as the "Sony" logo.

But the "Purple" prototype revealed by Apple predates the "Jony" concept by months. Apple also said that Nishibori's Sony-inspired concepts were "an 'enjoyable' side project" that embellished a concept Apple had already designed.

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Apple's "Purple" iPhone prototype dates back to August of 2005.


The lawsuit between Samsung and Apple has revealed a number of highly confidential internal documents from each company. Last week, dozens of unreleased iPhone and iPad design prototypes were disclosed, including an iPad with a kickstand, and a two-toned rear casing for an iPhone.

While the lawsuit centers around Samsung and Apple, a report in Monday's The Wall Street Journal suggests the lawsuit is a "proxy" for Google, maker of the Android mobile operating system found on most of Samsung's smartphones and tablets. If Apple were to earn a strong victory against Samsung, the implications could ripple beyond the South Korean electronics maker and affect Google's other Android partners from around the world.
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Apple's genius: in 2005 they were *already* thinking like that. A design way ahead of its time. 


Edited by Quadra 610 - 7/30/12 at 7:29am
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Samsung's defense, that the iPhone idea was "stolen from Sony anyway" is was very risky, given that it's a virtual admission that they stole from Apple. If Apple are able to prove otherwise, Samsung may have thrown their case away.

 

It is incredible that these designs went back to 2005, when phones tended to look like this:

 

http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/07/195382,xcitefun-nokia-6030.jpg
 

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Judging from how f'ed up the patent system is, and if that idiot judge from UK is any indication, there may be little to zero consequence to Samsung.

2 billion is a traffic light ticket even if it sticks. They'll simply copy something else.
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post #5 of 81
Good. The final nail in the coffin for the idiots who keep bringing up the Samsung F700 or LG Prada (both terrible phones) and say Apple "borrowed" from them.
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

Samsung's defense, that the iPhone idea was "stolen from Sony anyway" is was very risky, given that it's a virtual admission that they stole from Apple. If Apple are able to prove otherwise, Samsung may have thrown their case away.

 

It is incredible that these designs went back to 2005, when phones tended to look like this:

 

http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/07/195382,xcitefun-nokia-6030.jpg
 

Samsung can't offer the Sony claims anyway. The judge already ruled against allowing it.


Edited by Gatorguy - 7/30/12 at 7:05am
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Judging from how f'ed up the patent system is, and if that idiot judge from UK is any indication, there may be little to zero consequence to Samsung.
2 billion is a traffic light ticket even if it sticks. They'll simply copy something else.

 

But it'll make others think twice.  

post #8 of 81
I thought Steve Jobs said Apple stole its design from Leica.
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Ha and the clowns on Engadget are claiming Apple backdated this design to 2005, because well, they did the same thing with stock options. lol.gif
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This looks like the iPhone 4/4S design, not like the earlier designs. The Galaxy (S/S2) does not look like the 4/4S but resembles the earlier designs.

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Looks like a single screen DS system.

Which was released in 2004 with wifi.

 

didn't Ngage have a touchscreen as well?

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The fact this came to trial is just ridiculous. Its beyond stupid. So a month of discussing different versions of squares and corners and FRAND 3G patents.

 

What happens after this trial. 

 

NOTHING.

 

Apple will sell a bunch of Iphone 5 (iphones)

Samsung will sell a Bunch of SGS III (galaxy phones)

 

If these companies were not so petty. This money that is being wasted could of been used for I dont know, innovation. 

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And all the fandroids and itards will line up behind "their" respected multi-billion company (like their way of life is being challenged and the result of this trial will create a life changing moment), spewing nonsense not realizing this does not help anyone but the lawyers and is a waste of money. 

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As if things could get any stranger, the designer who supposedly created the Sony-inspired mock-up for Apple, Shin Nishibori. resigned from Apple in the past couple of weeks and says he won't testify since he's no longer an Apple employee and wasn't properly served.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Key-witness-in-Apple-Samsung-trial-leaves-Apple-doesnt-want-to-testify_id32795

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If these companies were not so petty. This money that is being wasted could of been used for I dont know, innovation. 

And that is exactly what Apple is doing... innovating. The sad part is that if Samsung & others did their own R&D and innovating, Apple wouldn't have to spend a lot of time & money protecting those same innovations which cost far more than what it costs to defend & protect.

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who cares if Apple had prototypes that were inspired by Sony. They never mass produced them and sold them as original designs. Also note, Sony did not sell phones that looked like the inspired prototypes.
 

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who cares if Apple had prototypes that were inspired by Sony. They never mass produced them and sold them as original designs. Also note, Sony did not sell phones that looked like the inspired prototypes.
 

 

 

Good point. 

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Judging from how f'ed up the patent system is, and if that idiot judge from UK is any indication, there may be little to zero consequence to Samsung.
2 billion is a traffic light ticket even if it sticks. They'll simply copy something else.

 

 

No wonder he is from UK.

UK no longer produce durable anything.

 

UK used to make the coolest and fastest cars and machinery, now all they want is cheap-cheap.

Really, really SAD.

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I'm an Apple fan mostly because of how much they emulate Sony. 

 

And after reading a review from either BGR or Gizmodo stating that the Playstation Vita takes design ques from the iphone 4 is a bunch of shit. Seriously people, i truly get being loyal to a company that charges you an arm and a leg for their hard work, but ignoring another companies design just to validate your choice of purchase is insanely pathetic. Granted, that's just how people are nowdays, dumb as all get out. Just look at a PSP and the iphone and try to tell yourself that their not reminiscent of each other.

 

http://www.gaminggenerations.com/store/images/images_extra/PSP_1000_Chrome_2.jpg

 

considering Apple is getting away with enough of slamming the other OEMs of design choice, really they should slow down and take a look in the mirror. Dont try and shoot this down either. To everyone i know, the Galaxy Nexus looks absolutely nothing like my 4S yet somehow it was banned and it looks the least like an iphone!!!!

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Originally Posted by Techstalker View Post

And all the fandroids and itards will line up behind "their" respected multi-billion company (like their way of life is being challenged and the result of this trial will create a life changing moment), spewing nonsense not realizing this does not help anyone but the lawyers and is a waste of money. 

Being that i work in the legal field recording many depositions for over 17 years this is the REAL REASON HERE - PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION. 

As far as people taking defense or offense against company a or b - thats just said - both companies make us products we use or dont use. but to repeat the original intent here - you have NO idea how this is just feeding the legal community... 

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And that is exactly what Apple is doing... innovating. The sad part is that if Samsung & others did their own R&D and innovating, Apple wouldn't have to spend a lot of time & money protecting those same innovations which cost far more than what it costs to defend & protect.

Yes innovation and protecting squares.

 

Im all for Apple suing the hell out of samsung for touchwiz 1-3 because that was a direct ripoff of ios design standard. But the fact that in this trial the argeument for different variation of squares is coming up is ridiculous. I hope the judge follows the UK and throws out the rectangle problem Apple seems to have with other companies. 

 

As far as touchwiz to ios goes, Apple deserves payment for samsung ripping them off. Its hard not to copy a picture frame, its pretty easy to stay clear of copying ios. Samsung made their android skin almost a direct copy of ios and deserves to be punish.

 

Look at the SGSIII it actually did not not copy ios. But the SGSIII was built on the back of the SGS and SGSII touchwiz and Apple deserves justice for that. Just not on vague patents of different size rectangles with sharp or rounded corners. 

 

As far as samsung's FRAND related 3G patents. The court should decide what reasonable payments Apple should pay Samsung. Its a shame because reasonable companies would of solved these issues out of court. As much as I'm not a fan of Microsoft, this is one area where they are exceptional at. 

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I'm an Apple fan mostly because of how much they emulate Sony. 

And after reading a review from either BGR or Gizmodo stating that the Playstation Vita takes design ques from the iphone 4 is a bunch of shit. Seriously people, i truly get being loyal to a company that charges you an arm and a leg for their hard work, but ignoring another companies design just to validate your choice of purchase is insanely pathetic. Granted, that's just how people are nowdays, dumb as all get out. Just look at a PSP and the iphone and try to tell yourself that their not reminiscent of each other.

http://www.gaminggenerations.com/store/images/images_extra/PSP_1000_Chrome_2.jpg

considering Apple is getting away with enough of slamming the other OEMs of design choice, really they should slow down and take a look in the mirror. Dont try and shoot this down either. To everyone i know, the Galaxy Nexus looks absolutely nothing like my 4S yet somehow it was banned and it looks the least like an iphone!!!!
. Nexus was not banned over a design patent. There is a lot going on, I know it is hard to keep up.
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I'm an Apple fan mostly because of how much they emulate Sony. 

 

And after reading a review from either BGR or Gizmodo stating that the Playstation Vita takes design ques from the iphone 4 is a bunch of shit. Seriously people, i truly get being loyal to a company that charges you an arm and a leg for their hard work, but ignoring another companies design just to validate your choice of purchase is insanely pathetic. Granted, that's just how people are nowdays, dumb as all get out. Just look at a PSP and the iphone and try to tell yourself that their not reminiscent of each other.

 

http://www.gaminggenerations.com/store/images/images_extra/PSP_1000_Chrome_2.jpg

 

considering Apple is getting away with enough of slamming the other OEMs of design choice, really they should slow down and take a look in the mirror. Dont try and shoot this down either. To everyone i know, the Galaxy Nexus looks absolutely nothing like my 4S yet somehow it was banned and it looks the least like an iphone!!!!

Galaxy nexus was banned because of Apple's patent of universal search. I know right, Apple has a patent on universal search. I want to smack the idiot in the patent office that decided that was a good idea. Hopefully the patent office is seen as a joke and the validity of a patent is not challenged until someone gets sued over it. Another problem with our patent office. This is not just about Apple samsung has some horrible patents on smile faces the list goes on. 

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post
But it'll make others think twice.  

 

No, it won't. Not if there's no punishment. Why else do people still run red lights and speed? Because the punishment is insignificant.

 

Originally Posted by Dapple2099 View Post
Looks like a single screen DS system.

Which was released in 2004 with wifi.

didn't Ngage have a touchscreen as well?

 

It looks like no version of the DS whatsoever. I also fail to see what 'having Wi-Fi' has to do with anything. Also, if you're implying that Apple stole the design for the iPhone from THIS THING:

 

1000

 

you should probably get your eyes checked.

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Judging from how f'ed up the patent system is, and if that idiot judge from UK is any indication, there may be little to zero consequence to Samsung.
2 billion is a traffic light ticket even if it sticks. They'll simply copy something else.

 

If they find Samsung wilfully infringed, damages would be tripled. And $2 billion is not a traffic ticket - it represents the entire single quarter profits of the GSIII (for example). Not to mention it would make Samsung (and others) think twice before "borrowing" in the future.

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It's funny, over the years my opinions of Microsoft and Apple are reversed.

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Isn't it obvious what Apple is doing. Apple is running scared of Sony. Period. Anything that ties them "directly" to copying Sony had to be eliminated. Nishibori should be thankful that Apple is not hiring a hitman for his head. The only story that has to be perpetuated here and everywhere is that Apple was being "inspired by" Sony. Sure, fanb4is and Ish33ps are buying it. The rest of us, we know better, don't we?

 

  

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As if things could get any stranger, the designer who supposedly created the Sony-inspired mock-up for Apple, Shin Nishibori. resigned from Apple in the past couple of weeks and says he won't testify since he's no longer an Apple employee and wasn't properly served.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Key-witness-in-Apple-Samsung-trial-leaves-Apple-doesnt-want-to-testify_id32795

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If they find Samsung wilfully infringed, damages would be tripled. And $2 billion is not a traffic ticket - it represents the entire single quarter profits of the GSIII (for example). Not to mention it would make Samsung (and others) think twice before "borrowing" in the future.

The only thing samsung borrowed from Apple was touchwiz and they should be punished for that. 

 

The funny thing is that if samsung stuck to android how google built and designed it they wouldn't be in trouble design wise. 

Their products would still be banned for "amazing" patents like universal search and an evolved form of hyperlink tapping though.

post #29 of 81

My sense is that there is a fine, and then a requirement for an ongoing license (I think I read that Apple is requesting $20 a phone). So, I think that's the potential consequence.

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Originally Posted by Jookbox View Post
It's funny, over the years my opinions of Microsoft and Apple are reversed.

 

You used to think of Microsoft as an innovator?

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http://www.neowin.net/news/judge-blocks-samsungs-sony-iphone-design-evidence

 

Priceless.

 

Judge disagrees with Samsung, thinks Apple's claims have more merit = Judge MUST be corrupt/paid off, and should be thrown in jail.

 

LMAO

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Apple's genius: in 2005 they were *already* thinking like that. A design way ahead of its time. 

Exactly. Not only that, design that is timeless.

 

This is what the fandroid trolls that pollute this forum will never get.

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You used to think of Microsoft as an innovator?

 

They innovated $$$ from Universal Licensing. 

 

And as a result, plunged the tech industry into the Dark Ages for nearly two decades, if not more. 

 

That's about it, LOL

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The only thing samsung borrowed from Apple was touchwiz and they should be punished for that. 

 

The funny thing is that if samsung stuck to android how google built and designed it they wouldn't be in trouble design wise. 

Their products would still be banned for "amazing" patents like universal search and an evolved form of hyperlink tapping though.

Only touchwiz? Are you blind as well?

 

The funny thing is if Google had stuck to their original idea for Android we'd have RIM suing Samsung for copying the Blackberry instead of Apple suing for copying the iPhone.

post #35 of 81

Samsung's argument regarding Sony is pointless. It's like saying "That guy is stealing and getting away with it, so I should be allowed to steal as well".

 

This trial is about whether Samsung copied Apple, not whether Apple may have copied someone else. If Sony has an issue with Apple, then let Sony sue Apple for it. The judge was right not to allow Samsung to bring Sony into the case as it has no bearing whatsoever on Samsung's actions.

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The fact this came to trial is just ridiculous. Its beyond stupid. So a month of discussing different versions of squares and corners and FRAND 3G patents.

What happens after this trial. 

NOTHING.

Apple will sell a bunch of Iphone 5 (iphones)
Samsung will sell a Bunch of SGS III (galaxy phones)

If these companies were not so petty. This money that is being wasted could of been used for I dont know, innovation. 

Where are all of the Samsung design prototypes?
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There is a large chasm between being inspired by and outright plagiarism.  Nothing revealed to date suggests that, despite Jobs's own quote of "great artists steal", Apple has ever produced a product that can be easily confused as something from a competitor. That cannot be said of some Samsung products. It's easy to plug 10 people from the streets and ask them to identify Apple products from a box of gadgets, all with brand and model names removed.

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Originally Posted by Spacepower View Post
Where are all of the Samsung design prototypes?

 

You've seen the release models of the iPhone, right?

 

Right there.

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His lawyer says he won't testify because the subpoena was not properly served.  I noticed on some of the latest patent filings that he was no longer listed as being from San Fran.  Sounds like he left over health issues.

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As if things could get any stranger, the designer who supposedly created the Sony-inspired mock-up for Apple, Shin Nishibori. resigned from Apple in the past couple of weeks and says he won't testify since he's no longer an Apple employee and wasn't properly served.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Key-witness-in-Apple-Samsung-trial-leaves-Apple-doesnt-want-to-testify_id32795

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The fact this came to trial is just ridiculous. Its beyond stupid. So a month of discussing different versions of squares and corners and FRAND 3G patents.

 

What happens after this trial. 

 

NOTHING.

 

Apple will sell a bunch of Iphone 5 (iphones)

Samsung will sell a Bunch of SGS III (galaxy phones)

 

If these companies were not so petty. This money that is being wasted could of been used for I dont know, innovation. 

 

Yeah these stupid "Laws" and "rules" just slow everything down.  What the heck do we need those for?  People should just be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they are making money.  That's the main thing, right?  :-/ 

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