Samsung exec says patent struggle with Apple is 'unreasonable' - Page 4

Apple's R&D. Siri as an example. Apple BOUGHT the Siri software, which ran fine on the 3GS and 4 models, and then placed an artificial limitation in the software so that it would only run on the 4S. Yes, that is R&D $$$ well spent. Apple doesn't use others' ideas? Cough....Notification Bar in iOS 5....straight from Android (and whoever else Android got it from). Yet, people cheer when Apple came up with the notification bar. Total BS. 

Oh yeah? Well, when did the Android OS come out? Didn't it kind of look like Apple's iOS? 

Google used Apple's open-source mobile Safari's infrastructure... now that's strange. Google should be glad Apple made such a great mobile web browser's infrastructure open-sourced, or Google will get sued fast.

Multitouch technology? Steve said Apple patented it. Well look what happened. Android OS started supporting it, and that's why Steve hates Androids. Multitouch is a true innovation. Apple invented it. They deserve to own it.

Sure, Apple copied the Android's Notification Bar. But believe me, if Apple never made iOS, Android wouldn't exist either. That's how much Android copied the iOS.

I thought Apple didn't copy, but instead innovated? Uh, Steve doesn't hate Androids, he hated (past tense - he is dead) the Android OS. Big difference.

and if xerox didn't create the first visual OS, you'd never have your mac.

Apple never magically rose with all the tech in there pocket, they strategically stole it, borrowed it or paid for it. Cue Microsoft, and probably ever other tech firm in the worlds market.
 

So Samsung copies instead of innovating? Just what I thought.

And no need to be a grammar-freak. That's what happens when one doesn't have any points to argue about.

Key word here, strategically.  No one is saying that Apple doesn't steal or borrow or outright buy up innovation.  I'd say that's par for the technology course.

The difference is that Apple does its best to steal great ideas that are not yet patented.  Samsung is trying to pass off patented ideas that pre-date everyones products as "standards essential".

Is Apple any more "morally" right?  Of course not, but are they more legally right?  You'd better believe it.

Note to self, Edison was a "sissy" whose products wouldn't have otherwise taken off…  

And he'll go on to say he's fine with trademarks and copyrights.

Or that "everyone should share everything and then it'll be a magical land where innovation and free markets reign! We would have cured cancer if it hadn't been for patents!"

Can we just agree that your position is wrong and leave it at that? 

This whole "someone got a galaxy instead of an ipad thing," is simply human stupidity. First off, you would have to be legally blind and not able to look at the box of the tablet to screw that up, secondly if you're legally blind why are you buying a tablet in the first place.

Human stupidity or lack of looking at what you're buying should not be a reason or even a point of argument.

What really gets me with the thread is the how many ignorant people are here. By ignorant I mean "lack of knowledge" seeing as how so many people use it as a dig as someone when it doesn't really apply to the situation.

This is the first time I've seen this site, and it's absolutely amazing how many users here are so hardcore apple yet it's as if they don't even read news articles, or research what they use when they have the internet literally at there fingertips. I can't even begin to understand how people can be so loyal to a company that goes against the evolution of technology.

I can already hear it "WHATTTTT!!! Apple is an innovator!!! They are the evolution"

Let's outline a few things:

First off, Apple is notorious for not sharing, while Microsoft and now Android continue with open source to revolutionize the computer and tech world. Apple runs closed systems and architecture without sharing anything to benefit the private sectors unless its specifically benefits Apple.

They have always been about the profit and not moving forward, UNLESS of course its there product specifically that moves it forward.

GUI - Graphical User Interface was developed by xerox first, so nope, they didn't invent that.......They didnt invent the touchscreen....or the cell phone....Smartphone??? Nope, blackberry takes that one....hmmmmm so what did they invent? Nope, not the mouse.....Apple didnt even build from scratch there OS...Nope, its a UNIX based system originally designed by AT&T in the 60's. Your Dock, with all your pretty icons? Nope they didnt invent that...omg...THEY totally invented multi-gestures......Nope, Fingerworks developed it, and guess who bought out Fingerworks...You guessed it...Apple.

Your app store? Brainchild of ubuntu software.

The first true tablet was built in 1989, and your "Face time" marketing scheme is a joke as Motorola made Face calling a reality since 1993 over 3G. Yes....1993...and 3G. And Apple has the audacity to go after Motorola?

I love the fact, Apple can recklessly claim so many things with marketing, yet never get called out on it. They blatantly go around using other companies patented designs and when they get caught go "oops, we'll pay the minimal licensing fee, my bad!"

So, why, if Apple can do all this, why can't other tech firms produce there own product that are a rectangle with corners and glass? We're not even going after software or the guts or anything else.

Here are your patents:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=bRvVAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=-AbHAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=LWzVAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=D604,305&source=bl&ots=6fLxhjKnid&sig=ktG3hxWhU6HCnSs7_ZZU6tCoyag&hl=en&sa=X&ei=W1sOULmgDaPW2gWAsIH4AQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=D604%2C305&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=6BsWAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false

For those of you who don't want to read them, (ooooooooo pictures) The solid lines are the patent, the dotted lines simply show the rest of the phone.

After reviewing these patents. Apple is most DEFINITELY going after samsung over a rectangle. Although "just a rectangle" is a simplified explanation. That is technically what it is about.

They even went as far to patent an "uncluttered front face"

Please someone explain to me how with evolution of touchscreen devices with or without Apple trending touchscreens (something Apple never invented in the first place) how exactly you can have a touchscreen phone that isn't uncluttered. The whole phone is MEANT to be a screen in the first place, it HAS to be uncluttered....ITS A SCREEN!

That's almost as bad as saying you want to patent a monitor because you have no buttons on the front of it and it has sharp edges. RIDICULOUS

When the hybrid craze hit the world, did Toyota with over 2500 hybrid patents lock and load and blow away the competition to secure the market? HELL NO! why? Because its BAD BUSINESS. Period. You can achieve far more by working together or by sharing technology

Through licensing fee's they've helped to evolve technology and have other companies develop there own which in the end has only bettered mpg fuel economy substantially in the past 5 years. Which is good for everyone.

Unfortunately this can only be negative for Apple no matter what the outcome. Apple fanboy's of the world should be shaking in there boots...why? Because they're pissing off all the big boys...Google, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc.

Samsung produces all of Apples chipsets, and at first only Samsung could actually provide the retina displays Apple was so strictly seeking. They ended up going with LG to produce them which begs the question if something happened behind closed doors as LG and Sharp couldn't produce them to Apples strict standards in the beginning....

That's right, your Apple product has Samsung guts, an LG screen, and its made by Foxconn in China, the same company that produces Dell computers and Microsofts Xbox 360.

To say Samsung's under Apple is hilarious. Apple is only as strong as there supply and demand if they're #1 (which they are not anymore) Guess who has an iron grip on the supply chain? Samsung. Apple cant simply walk away from Samsung and be like "OH heyyyyyyyy can someone else produce millions of chipsets for us tomorrow mmmmmk"

Instead of trying to go after all these different companies they should be trying to regain there #1 position. It's almost as if the Iphone has already played all its cards as it's technically the exact same since the 3G came out so this is the only shot they have left to attempt to secure the market.

It's disappointing to see this is the road Apple has taken, there fate is sealed. The release of the Iphone 5 may be the push over the edge as it will probably be the same as my 4S...with a bigger screen.

I am dissapoint :(

Of course not, however Apple do own some remarkably detailed design patents, going well beyond a two dimensional front view, which Samsung are likely to have infringed, enough to have several injunctions placed against their products in other jurisdictions.

The "OMG, Apple has patented the rectangle!!!" is a diversionary battle cry of the lowest of the low Internet trolls.

You must be a Samsung iFone user.

Cheers

And this is where the nonsense comes in. It is okay for Apple to steal, as along as they do it before the idea is patented.

 jus wait till the verdict next month, and then feel free to say, in your face, told you so, shove it... to whomever lost. -_-

This whole "someone got a galaxy instead of an ipad thing," is simply human stupidity. First off, you would have to be legally blind and not able to look at the box of the tablet to screw that up, secondly if you're legally blind why are you buying a tablet in the first place.

Human stupidity or lack of looking at what you're buying should not be a reason or even a point of argument.

What really gets me with the thread is the how many ignorant people are here. By ignorant I mean "lack of knowledge" seeing as how so many people use it as a dig as someone when it doesn't really apply to the situation.

This is the first time I've seen this site, and it's absolutely amazing how many users here are so hardcore apple yet it's as if they don't even read news articles, or research what they use when they have the internet literally at there fingertips. I can't even begin to understand how people can be so loyal to a company that goes against the evolution of technology.

I can already hear it "WHATTTTT!!! Apple is an innovator!!! They are the evolution"

Let's outline a few things:

First off, Apple is notorious for not sharing, while Microsoft and now Android continue with open source to revolutionize the computer and tech world. Apple runs closed systems and architecture without sharing anything to benefit the private sectors unless its specifically benefits Apple.

They have always been about the profit and not moving forward, UNLESS of course its there product specifically that moves it forward.

GUI - Graphical User Interface was developed by xerox first, so nope, they didn't invent that.......They didnt invent the touchscreen....or the cell phone....Smartphone??? Nope, blackberry takes that one....hmmmmm so what did they invent? Nope, not the mouse.....Apple didnt even build from scratch there OS...Nope, its a UNIX based system originally designed by AT&T in the 60's. Your Dock, with all your pretty icons? Nope they didnt invent that...omg...THEY totally invented multi-gestures......Nope, Fingerworks developed it, and guess who bought out Fingerworks...You guessed it...Apple.

Your app store? Brainchild of ubuntu software.

The first true tablet was built in 1989, and your "Face time" marketing scheme is a joke as Motorola made Face calling a reality since 1993 over 3G. Yes....1993...and 3G. And Apple has the audacity to go after Motorola?

I love the fact, Apple can recklessly claim so many things with marketing, yet never get called out on it. They blatantly go around using other companies patented designs and when they get caught go "oops, we'll pay the minimal licensing fee, my bad!"

So, why, if Apple can do all this, why can't other tech firms produce there own product that are a rectangle with corners and glass? We're not even going after software or the guts or anything else.

Here are your patents:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=bRvVAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=-AbHAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=LWzVAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=D604,305&source=bl&ots=6fLxhjKnid&sig=ktG3hxWhU6HCnSs7_ZZU6tCoyag&hl=en&sa=X&ei=W1sOULmgDaPW2gWAsIH4AQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=D604%2C305&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=6BsWAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false

For those of you who don't want to read them, (ooooooooo pictures) The solid lines are the patent, the dotted lines simply show the rest of the phone.

After reviewing these patents. Apple is most DEFINITELY going after samsung over a rectangle. Although "just a rectangle" is a simplified explanation. That is technically what it is about.

They even went as far to patent an "uncluttered front face"

Please someone explain to me how with evolution of touchscreen devices with or without Apple trending touchscreens (something Apple never invented in the first place) how exactly you can have a touchscreen phone that isn't uncluttered. The whole phone is MEANT to be a screen in the first place, it HAS to be uncluttered....ITS A SCREEN!

That's almost as bad as saying you want to patent a monitor because you have no buttons on the front of it and it has sharp edges. RIDICULOUS

When the hybrid craze hit the world, did Toyota with over 2500 hybrid patents lock and load and blow away the competition to secure the market? HELL NO! why? Because its BAD BUSINESS. Period. You can achieve far more by working together or by sharing technology

Through licensing fee's they've helped to evolve technology and have other companies develop there own which in the end has only bettered mpg fuel economy substantially in the past 5 years. Which is good for everyone.

Unfortunately this can only be negative for Apple no matter what the outcome. Apple fanboy's of the world should be shaking in there boots...why? Because they're pissing off all the big boys...Google, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc.

Samsung produces all of Apples chipsets, and at first only Samsung could actually provide the retina displays Apple was so strictly seeking. They ended up going with LG to produce them which begs the question if something happened behind closed doors as LG and Sharp couldn't produce them to Apples strict standards in the beginning....

That's right, your Apple product has Samsung guts, an LG screen, and its made by Foxconn in China, the same company that produces Dell computers and Microsofts Xbox 360.

To say Samsung's under Apple is hilarious. Apple is only as strong as there supply and demand if they're #1 (which they are not anymore) Guess who has an iron grip on the supply chain? Samsung. Apple cant simply walk away from Samsung and be like "OH heyyyyyyyy can someone else produce millions of chipsets for us tomorrow mmmmmk"

Instead of trying to go after all these different companies they should be trying to regain there #1 position. It's almost as if the Iphone has already played all its cards as it's technically the exact same since the 3G came out so this is the only shot they have left to attempt to secure the market.

It's disappointing to see this is the road Apple has taken, there fate is sealed. The release of the Iphone 5 may be the push over the edge as it will probably be the same as my 4S...with a bigger screen.

I am dissapoint :(