And notice how Samsung cleverly  show the devices with their screens blanked out. If they had shown them active, they would have revealed that they were conceptually windows mobile phones.

 

 

Anyone who thinks that Samsung even had a chip in this game when iPhone came out should go back and rewatch the original Keynote when Jobs introduced the iPhone. Look at the phones he compared the iPhone to. THAT was the landscape at the time... Palm, Blackberry Windows phone.

Samsung might have had a mystical prototype that was all touch interface, but it's really hard to believe that what they put out in the market was anything other than trying to be an iPhone.

Look at the freaking dock connector even, the packaging... the icons... flat out ripoff.

Amazing that you have to point this out.  I asked the other day if people are really this obtuse and I guess they are.  Apple certainly was an underdog in the smartphone market when the iPhone came out.  A lot of people predicted failure.  They're not an underdog now but based on number of phones sold wide Samsung certainly isn't.  And as far as designs - it's the early Samsung smartphones that are pretty blatant copies of the iPhone.  No one is suggesting the Galaxy S III copies the iPhone design.  Heck it's not about rectangles either otherwise Apple would be suing more than Samsung.  If people can't see the clear cases where Samsung ripped off Apple then they're blind.  And since there are many cases where they didn't it just proves there IS more than one way to design a smartphone.  And Samsung was just being lazy.

So can Samsung prove the two phones below were in development before the iPhone came out?  We saw the purple prototype from Apple which basically shows that the iPhone 4 wasn't ripping off the LG Prada but it's own prototype from 2005.  And since the LG Prada was not multi-touch and the OS really looked nothing like iOS, plus the fact the Prada and iPhone were announced a month apart it's really a stretch to suggest Apple copied LG.  but these early Samsung phones sure look like iPhone clones.

 

 

 

I really thought the Oracle suit against Google was the one to watch and would have had a tremendous impact on Android. But in the end, Google won. Most of Apple's lawsuits to date have also been largely unsuccessful. I definitely can see merit in this case with some of those Samsung design, but even if Apple wins I don't see the fine doing very much. Samsung and others would certainly have to be far more careful in the future, but they would still be around and competing. Samsung has also really overtaken Apple by a very wide margin in global smartphone sales as the chart below shows. Samsung alone in fact have more than doubled  Apple sales and their own in just one year. That is understandable since they sell a lot more models and in many more price points in 3rd world countries. But that is still troubling since I believe Apple was leading all single Android vendors prior to this. No one can dispute that the S2 and now S3 were very successful for Samsung. If the discrepancy widens much further over the next year I could see Apple making two iPhone models in 2013, one with a smaller screen like the current model and one with a larger screen to compete with the S3 and similar phones. I think it is clear that many people care more about a larger screen than one handed use. 

 

Apple doesn't need to 'portray' itself as anything. Of course it was the underdog. Every single company in the handset business wrote them off. It's common knowledge. A few years ago they never had a phone. 

 

I'm being told elsewhere that Apple "was under intense pressure to create a smartphone".

 

It's hilarious what people can forget after only five years.

 

 

I was thinking the same thing... While that may not qualify "technically" as thermonuclear... try convincing the survivors and families...

 

I can remember seeing films in the late 1940s or early 1950s of the ground -- showing outlines of human bodies that had been "vaporized"... it was eerily similar to outlines shown after the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius and Pompeii/Herculaneum.

Edited by Dick Applebaum - 7/31/12 at 4:15pm

We have never dropped Nuclear bombs on another country. What we dropped in Japan were fission bombs, not nuclear, fusion bombs.

Example?

Why even bother with posters like these.... reason only confuses them further.

I don't this one has been adjudicated yet. If fact I'm not certain any of Apple's asserted patents have made it that far. You're probably thinking of the "likely valid and infringed" rulings in preliminary injunction or ITC cases. That's not the same as being ruled valid.

Nuclear and thermonuclear is the same thing. Fusion detonation. Atomic aka fission bombs are not nuclear and are no longer used because they aren't as efficient

 

Do you genuinely not know what 'nuclear' means?

 

 

US 7,844,915 is being asserted in this case.  It is about distinguishing between scroll and pinch-to-zoom gestures and doesn't require continuous adjustment.

How do you conclude "Apple is not an underdog" by posting a bunch of alleged prototypes of Samsung phones? That seems like a non-sequitur to me.

I don't get I'll be outrage from the haters. If Apple is wrong and its so obvious as they all suggest Apple will lose this case. And it will be publicly humiliating and costly. Even as it is right now the most secretive team at Apple is getting huge exposure. Prototypes that were never meant for the public are being releases, designers are on the witness stand describing the team and how it works. Does anyone honestly believe Apple would allow all this to become public knowledge for BS reasons?

 

Well, all Apple does is steal ideas from other companies, so those prototypes are just rehashes of phones we've already seen on the market. Besides, the market was headed in that direction five years ago, anyway. What Apple did was just a natural progression.

 

*snort*

Shit, meet Fan

Samsung Goes Public With Excluded Evidence to Undercut Apple’s Design Claims

http://allthingsd.com/20120731/samsung-goes-public-with-excluded-evidence-to-undercut-apples-design-claims/

 

 

I don't know if it's possible -- but it would be interesting if the Judge declared a mistrial and banned the sale on any Samsung devices under challenge until after s new trial.  

 

It appears that Sammy and some other large Korean companies regulatly run roughshod over Korean regulations and laws... apparently they assume the same tactics will work here...

Edited by Dick Applebaum - 7/31/12 at 5:00pm

Samsung may be able to prove their early smartphones were evolutions of prototypes that predates the iPhone. Though what they actually sold to the public looks more like an iPhone than any of their prototypes do.

I think the Sony argument is a lot weaker. Basically all they have is Jony Ive telling one of his designers to pretend he was designing for Sony and mock something up something Sony might do. Oh and to do it as a fun side project. It might carry more weight if they had an actual product Apple was allegedly copying. Or if this prototype ended up being the phone they went with.

If anyone is going nuclear it's Samsung. Haven't most, if not all of the leaks come from Samsung?

I know this isn't anything serious like a murder trial, but leaking evidence for release to the press? I popped two bags of corn to watch through this one.

So according to The Verge, Phil Schiller is taking the witness stand tomorrow. Scott Forstall and Greg Joswiak (who I think works for Schiller) are also expected to take the stand. But no Jony Ive or Tim Cook. The Verge speculates putting Ive on the stand would make Apple more appealing to the jurors.

This really bothers me... When anyone thinks they are above the law and rules that govern the rest of us...

That's behind my biggest issues, over time, with MS, Google and now Sammy.

I have been observing Apple since 1978... Apple sometimes acts goofy, stupid, arrogant and as a bully... But they do play by the rules... Close to the line, sometimes, but not over the line.

Yes! The closest thing we have to royalty in this country is a judge sitting on her throne in the courtroom... This will cost Sammy!

Yep. This isn't the first time in their Apple cases. They destroyed evidence even after a severe warning from another judge against destroying evidence. And now they're releasing evidence to the public even after being told that the evidence is excluded.

They must think they're above the law. Who do they think they are? Google?

I never got a chance to read that warning from "another judge". Since you're already familiar with it, would you mind a link?

Sammy better be careful... Lest O'Reilly calls for a boycot.

The more I think about this... Apple needs to start distancing itself from Sammy as a supplier... I know there are contracts... But Apple could enlist Intel to start making its CPUs...

At least it would send a warning shot across Sammy's bow

I'm so sick of this being taken seriously. Somebody invents,or thinks they invented the wheel, do we sue VMW or BENZ technically? The good manufactures don't need to sweat unless they forecast themselves sucking any time soon. 

 

Both parties will be better recognizing this the sooner the better

Edited by theobold - 7/31/12 at 10:53pm

Apple didn't invent pitch to zoom. Digital Disk did. Then palm had their version, then somebody else. ETC.

I disagree. Apple has won quite a bit - scroll bounce removed from phones, some of the most blatant copies banned, and so on. Most importantly, the newest phone designs are not such obvious copies of Apple's products. Heck, Samsung has even changed the packaging so it doesn't look so much like Apple's. If you look at Apple's real goals (to end copying), they've gone a long way.

Wrong. "Nuclear weapons" include both fission and fusion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon
"A nuclear weapon is an explosive device that derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions, either fission or a combination of fission and fusion."
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are specifically cited in this article.

What in the world makes you think that only fusion weapons are nuclear? A nuclear weapon is one that derives its power from nuclear reactions. So what do you think powered the Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs? Millions of hamsters on millions of wheels?


Look it up yourself. It was cited in the 'evidence destroying' thread here.

Actually it has already been shown that a lot of companies were going in that direction before the iPhone arrived.  Say what you will but design is not the biggest impact the iPhone had. Exclusivity was one (Verizon should have wised up, they could have added millions upon millions of additional subscribers), iPhone also changed how software updates were done, approved and delivered.  App store, not so much since Jobs didn't want an App Store until users complained about it.  Yes it had a big impact just not everywhere you say it did.