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A new rumor claims the expected smaller dock connector in Apple's next iPhone will be an 8-pin design, while iOS 6 will have a new Bluetooth 4.0 linking feature that will greatly share functionality between Apple's devices.

The details come from a report published Wednesday by iLounge, which cited two sources for the 8-pin dock connector. That contradicts earlier reports that the new dock on Apple's next iPhone will be a 19-pin design.

With the launch of the next iPhone, Apple is expected to retire the 30-pin dock connector that has been found on its iPod lineup and iOS devices for years. Because of the large number of accessories on the market compatible with the current 30-pin design, Apple is expected to provide an adapter to help ease the transition to the smaller design.

Wednesday's report said the new dock connector will potentially allow devices to be connected to docks and cables in two orientations, similar to the MagSafe charger design found on Apple's MacBook lineup.

Author Jeremy Horwitz was also reportedly told by one source that Apple is working on an unannounced iOS 6 feature that will greatly enhance Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity between devices.

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"The feature would enable, say, a future iPod nano to display iMessages received by an iPhone, record voice memos that could be shared via the iPhone, and even initiate phone calls through its own headphones," he wrote. "It could also conceivably let you make iPhone calls from your iPad (or possibly even recent Macs), assuming the iPhone was paired with the computer over Bluetooth."

Apple began adding Bluetooth 4.0 support to its devices in mid-2011 with the MacBook Air and Mac mini, while the launch of the iPhone 4S late last year marked the debut of Bluetooth 4.0 on handset from the company, along with "Bluetooth Smart Ready" support.

Apple joined the Bluetooth Special Interest Group board of directors last year, and now takes part in overseeing the development of standards and licensing for the short-range wireless technology. When Apple joined, the special interest group said the iPhone maker would provide insight on platform development, as the company understands that technology is now driven by "hub devices" that capture data, utilize data at the application layer, and even upload it to the cloud.
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We never really knew how many pins, anyway. "19" was pulled out of the freaking air.

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Why are iPhone to iPhone Bluetooth file transfers so much slower than over wi-fi?

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To make an adapter that will support most existing accessories, they need two pins for power, two for USB data, two for serial, and four for analog audio in/out, plus ground and the accessory resistor. There are a couple others that might still be necessary. I guess the analog audio signals could be connected via the jack, but that would be a very un-Apple adapter.

http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml has the current pinout, making it look pretty hard to go below about 16 pins.
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"The feature would enable, say, a future iPod nano to display iMessages received by an iPhone, record voice memos that could be shared via the iPhone, and even initiate phone calls through its own headphones," he wrote. "It could also conceivably let you make iPhone calls from your iPad (or possibly even recent Macs), assuming the iPhone was paired with the computer over Bluetooth."

 

This sounds like an Apple fanboy's wet dream.

 

Yeah I wish Apple would do it, but there's is no proof this is gonna happen.

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A new rumor claims the expected smaller dock connector in Apple's next iPhone will be an 8-pin design ...

 

If it's only going to have 8 pins ...

 

1) why not just use USB3?

 

2) where are the other ports going to be located that take over all the missing functions?

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I hope they make the adapter in such a way where it's not that much bigger or intrusive than the current legacy version.  

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If it's only going to have 8 pins ...

1) why not just use USB3?

2) where are the other ports going to be located that take over all the missing functions?

If you are down to 8 pins, you could still have serial communications for accessories where USB isn't viable. Pure USB would kill the current dock/accessory market.
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I wish they'd move the dock connector to the side.  That way docking would be horizontal by default.  Makes it better for watching video and using your phone as an alarm clock.

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It would be great if the dock connector ran at Thunderbolt speeds in the future

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I wish it was a mag-safe+data connector. In other words: magnetic. Sadly.

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I hope they make the adapter in such a way where it's not that much bigger or intrusive than the current legacy version.  

 

Well, it's really poorly worded in the article above, but it kinda sounds like they are making the port and the cable very shallow (so it can "potentially allow devices to be connected to docks and cables in two orientations ...").  This would indicate that any potential adapters would be very slim and thin.  Presumably iPhones sitting in equipment with docks would only be sitting a quarter inch or so higher. Probably a lot less. 

 

If this is true, it would also mean that we can finally get alarm clock docks that will accept the iPhone in a landscape orientation which is pretty much the only orientation that makes sense for alarm clocks.  

 

Still, I doubt the whole rumour because I can't see how they can possibly get the functions of the 30 pin connector onto 8 pins, and I don't see them dropping all that functionality.  

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I'd love a headphone jack as their syncing jack; it'll go right in without looking. The current 30 pin connector is great, as to its (for some mod. lol) 10 year existence. But if Apple is all for simplicity, then why not design a round plug instead of a rectangular one; so it'll fit in any which way you plug it in/any way you hold it. Right now, I am sometimes holding it wrong.

With that request, they'll have a difficult time in getting high syncing speeds as well, sure. But what if it was optical? I believe a redesigned SPDIF plug could pull it off. Erhm, plug in.
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Why are iPhone to iPhone Bluetooth file transfers so much slower than over wi-fi?

Maybe because Bluetooth itself is slower than WiFi?

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Bluetooth_vs_Wifi
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"The feature would enable, say, a future iPod nano to display iMessages received by an iPhone, record voice memos that could be shared via the iPhone, and even initiate phone calls through its own headphones," he wrote. "It could also conceivably let you make iPhone calls from your iPad (or possibly even recent Macs), assuming the iPhone was paired with the computer over Bluetooth."

 

HP & Palm were doing some stuff like that (or at least were planning to) with WebOS. I saw a demo of it; It seemed pretty cool, but it wasn't enough to make me buy into their ecosystem. Of course a few months later they dropped the whole thing.
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I wish it was a mag-safe+data connector. In other words: magnetic. Sadly.

 

Which can disrupt audio signals.  Not too likely.  I wonder if moving the headphone jack to the bottom is to allow them to remove the audio pins and the new connector will be whatever the pin count is in the connector plus a jack that slots into the headphone jack.  It wouldn't be elegant at all tho.  8 pins seems ridiculously low.  I'd much rather see TB than USB if they are looking at other standards

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Originally Posted by NodNarb012 View Post
HP & Palm were doing some stuff like that (or at least were planning to) with WebOS. I saw a demo of it; It seemed pretty cool, but it wasn't enough to make me buy into their ecosystem. Of course a few months later they dropped the whole thing.

 

Sony has something almost exactly like what an iPod nano doing that would be.

 

So you can imagine what this place will look like when Apple does it.

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Yeah, I'm not understanding why a proprietary 8-pin connector would be any better for iPhone users than one of the already-standard mini-USB/micro-USB connectors.  At least the 10-year old 30-pin connectors are ubiquitous.

 

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Yeah, I'm not understanding why a proprietary 8-pin connector would be any better for iPhone users than one of the already-standard mini-USB/micro-USB connectors. 

 

Because USB can't do what the Dock Connector can? How many times does this need to be said?

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This sounds like an Apple fanboy's wet dream.

 

Yeah I wish Apple would do it, but there's is no proof this is gonna happen.

 

http://www.getpebble.com/

 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=users

 

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Author Jeremy Horwitz was also reportedly told by one source that Apple is working on an unannounced iOS 6 feature that will greatly enhance Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity between devices.
 

"The feature would enable, say, a future iPod nano to display iMessages received by an iPhone, record voice memos that could be shared via the iPhone, and even initiate phone calls through its own headphones," he wrote. "It could also conceivably let you make iPhone calls from your iPad (or possibly even recent Macs), assuming the iPhone was paired with the computer over Bluetooth."
Apple began adding Bluetooth 4.0 support to its devices in mid-2011 with the MacBook Air and Mac mini, while the launch of the iPhone 4S late last year marked the debut of Bluetooth 4.0 on handset from the company, along with "Bluetooth Smart Ready" support.

 

I've been waiting to get a Nano for this functionality.

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Because USB can't do what the Dock Connector can? How many times does this need to be said?

Could you explain what exactly, please? With wifi becoming more and more the most elegant and natural way of synching, what's left is mainly charging, and mini USB would be perfect for that, the hole size seems compatible with it.
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Yeah, I'm not understanding why a proprietary 8-pin connector would be any better for iPhone users

 

 

 

I think that you may be asking the wrong question.

 

The only relevant question is what makes the most money for Apple?  A new connector will cause mucho licensing fees to come rolling in.  Given that, the move to a new connector which needs to be licensed makes perfect sense.

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We never really knew how many pins, anyway. "19" was pulled out of the freaking air.

But at least it made sense when you removed the FW, iPod Photo, and other unused or obsolesced pins from the current line up. Unless you have some very advanced HW inside to switch pins at will, which seems like overkill, 8 just isn't cutting it.

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If it's only going to have 8 pins ...

1) why not just use USB3?

Even iff they add USB3 support you still won't get those speeds. Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND.

One thing I'd like to see, but don't know if it's possible, is using the TB connector for data transfer and charging. I'm still talking about the USB protocol over TB but having 2x the wattage for charging. This would be especially great for the iPad. That said, it's still only 5W with the wall unit and it does mean a hotter unit and parts that wear faster so I'm guessing that simply isn't feasible.

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I wish it was a mag-safe+data connector. In other words: magnetic. Sadly.

No way! I don't want my keys or other items to start sticking to my iPhone in my pocket or bag. The whole reason for MagSafe is to protect against accidentally tripping the cord and having the machine go flying off and get damaged. I just don't see how that is an issue with a smartphone. If anything they need a reverse MagSafe for the headphone jack, but that's for another discussion.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
Unless you have some very advanced HW inside to switch pins at will, which seems like overkill, 8 just isn't cutting it.

 

They better darn well not try to tell us to only sync over Wi-Fi. I'll laugh in their faces.


Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND.

 

So they can make faster NAND! That shouldn't even be a consideration!

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I think that you may be asking the wrong question.

The only relevant question is what makes the most money for Apple?  A new connector will cause mucho licensing fees to come rolling in.  Given that, the move to a new connector which needs to be licensed makes perfect sense.

Why are 8 pins instead of 7 or 9 or 19 pins better for Apple to license? Why do the pin numbers matter at all over the design oft the connector itself?

The dock connector needs to be able to support USB data transfer in both directions (5 pins?), power (3 pins?), line-out audio (5 pins?), video-out (1 pin?) for a total of at least 14 pins?

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They better darn well not try to tell us to only sync over Wi-Fi. I'll laugh in their faces.

I don't see them doing that. On that same token, even when inductive charging becomes a reality they will offer both methods in their devices.
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So they can make faster NAND! That shouldn't even be a consideration!

If anyone will offer it I think it' Apple. Hopefully their Anobit purchases yields results sooner rather than later.

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They better darn well not try to tell us to only sync over Wi-Fi. I'll laugh in their faces.

 

 

If Apple gets everything upgraded to 802.11ac next year, we would certainly be a good step closer to being able to sync wirelessly including music and video transfer.  I would still rather plug in a TB cable and have the transfer done so much faster

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If Apple gets everything upgraded to 802.11ac next year, we would certainly be a good step closer to being able to sync wirelessly including music and video transfer.  I would still rather plug in a TB cable and have the transfer done so much faster

That probably won't happen. Note the iPhone is still doesn't have 5GHz 802.11n. It's also lacking in the spatial streams, and probably the QAMs and channel width. Maybe 802.11ac can push it ahead but at this point I'd wager the HW simply is not ready for it. Then there is still the NAND read/write bottleneck which could make it all moot.

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Because USB can't do what the Dock Connector can? How many times does this need to be said?

Could you explain what exactly, please? With wifi becoming more and more the most elegant and natural way of synching, what's left is mainly charging, and mini USB would be perfect for that, the hole size seems compatible with it.

It is mostly a legacy thing, but look at what all the pins are used for. You have line in/out for audio, and a mechanism to communicate with accessories. These accessories include things like heart rate monitors, stereos, magnetic stripe and laser scanners, etc. USB is more work to make an accessory for. Much less today than it was 10 years ago, but still more work. More work means more power consumption.
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It is mostly a legacy thing, but look at what all the pins are used for. You have line in/out for audio, and a mechanism to communicate with accessories. These accessories include things like heart rate monitors, stereos, magnetic stripe and laser scanners, etc. USB is more work to make an accessory for. Much less today than it was 10 years ago, but still more work. More work means more power consumption.

Ok, but it's annoying to imagine that stuff that a minority of people use may be hindering the work they are doing in redesigning the pin.


I've thought about this a lot and I don't think it will be "the new iPhone". They had good reasons for calling the iPad 3 that way. I think this is going to be the iPhone 5.

To explain quickly, the new iPad was called like that because it looked just like an iPad 2. They couldn't call it the iPad 2S because speed wasn't the only change and they wanted people to focus on the new screen. They couldn't call it the iPad 3 because when turned off people would wonder what's the difference between the 2 and 3 (compared to the iPhone 3G/3GS or 4/4S where people assume that the change is internal thanks to the name). "The new iPad" has a lot of mystery in it, and people who assume that it just has a speed bump of the previous one are left wondering what's so new about it.

On the other hand, the next iPhone doesn't need that, and with his new form factor, will indeed be the iPhone 5, and Apple will sell lots of it.
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The only relevant question is what makes the most money for Apple?  A new connector will cause mucho licensing fees to come rolling in.  Given that, the move to a new connector which needs to be licensed makes perfect sense.

 

Nonsense. It's about making the best, fastest, reliable, smallest, and versatile port there is. USB alone is simply not good enough.

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Why are 8 pins instead of 7 or 9 or 19 pins better for Apple to license? Why do the pin numbers matter at all over the design oft the connector itself?
The dock connector needs to be able to support USB data transfer in both directions (5 pins?), power (3 pins?), line-out audio (5 pins?), video-out (1 pin?) for a total of at least 14 pins?

 

 

The absolute number of pins is irrelevant.  The fact of a redesign is what makes money.

 

And line-put audio is handled by the adjacent headphone jack.  

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post
Ok, but it's annoying to imagine that stuff that a minority of people use… 

 

A minority of people connect their iDevices to cars, speakers, and accessories in general? Really?

 

I think this is going to be the iPhone 5. 

 

I think you've lost it.

 

…the new iPad was called like that because it looked just like an iPad 2.

 

No…


They couldn't call it the iPad 3 because when turned off people would wonder what's the difference between the 2 and 3…

 

No… that's not a consideration at all.

 

"The new iPad" has a lot of mystery in it…

 

No… it says exactly what the product is.


On the other hand, the next iPhone doesn't need that, and with his new form factor, will indeed be the iPhone 5, and Apple will sell lots of it.

 

The 6th iPhone, running iOS 6 and having 4G telephony will be "iPhone 5". Really. Really. This makes sense to you? 

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Because USB can't do what the Dock Connector can? How many times does this need to be said?

 

And why can't those functions be done over WiFi/BlueTooth (and 4G/3G in the case of the iPhone/iPad) instead of a connector cable?  This is 2012, after all...

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The absolute number of pins is irrelevant.  The fact of a redesign is what makes money.

 

And line-put audio is handled by the adjacent headphone jack.  

I am so tired of your idiotic comments on eery single post.  

 

Putting you on permanent ignore in 3, 2, 1 .... 

 

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Now if only the troll-like "Global Moderator" (:rolleyes:), would stop publishing your every remark with a "no" after it, I'd be safe from the idiocy.  

 

You guys need to look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argument_Sketch

 

... and really take the lesson to heart.

 

Especially this part: "... Palin becomes frustrated with this, insisting that he paid for an argument, and "an argument is an intellectual process, while contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.""

 

Just saying the equivalent of "Oh yeah?" back and forth twenty times is NOT an argument.  


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And why can't those functions be done over WiFi/BlueTooth (and 4G/3G in the case of the iPhone/iPad) instead of a connector cable?  This is 2012, after all...

 

As limited as most carriers are trying to make your bandwidth for 3G/4G, do you really want to eat up your data plan for your phone to communicate w/your car?

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This has nothing to do with the dock connector.  I hope they are not "really" going to move the headphone jack to the bottom.  It just seems more logical and useful on top.  It is for me, anyway.

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...  Even if they add USB3 support you still won't get those speeds. Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND. ...

 

Well, I'm no engineer but I meant form factor and connector shape/style not USB3 per se.  

 

USB3 has eight or nine pins, why re-invent a new shape and connector style when they could use a USB3 plug and just use the same pins for different uses (as well as possibly using actual USB3)?  

 

I still don't really believe this rumour at all. 

Quick, someone ask Jim Dalrymple whether it's 8 or 19.  :-)

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Originally Posted by John.B View Post
And why can't those functions be done over WiFi/BlueTooth (and 4G/3G in the case of the iPhone/iPad) instead of a connector cable?  This is 2012, after all...

 

And it's embarrassing that wireless cannot replace wired, you're right. But that's the case. It can't be replaced.

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A minority of people connect their iDevices to cars, speakers, and accessories in general? Really?


I think you've lost it.


No…

No… that's not a consideration at all.


No… it says exactly what the product is.

The 6th iPhone, running iOS 6 and having 4G telephony will be "iPhone 5". Really. Really. This makes sense to you? 

What do you think? That I wrote it and it doesn't make sense to me?
Saying no, no, no is hardly an argument.
And I don't see why I have to be talked to like that by a moderator. What authorizes you to say that "I lost it?". Pfff learn to do your job.
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