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Fill in the blank. 1, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, _

A) 5

B) 6

C) 4G

D) The New iPhone

E) None of the above

 

None of those answers would surprise me.

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post #122 of 153
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A) 5
B) 6
C) 4G
D) The New iPhone
E) None of the above

None of those answers would surprise me.

None of the answers would surprise me either. As I've stated in previous threads they could bend to the populace but that is marketing. If you go solely on historical naming for the iPhone the 5 moniker simply makes the least sense of all the names. I think just iPhone as The new iPhone, then iPhone 4G make the most sense with iPhone 6 and iPhone 5 in the rear with none of the above somewhere in the middle.


PS: They can call it the ZunePhon #LOL S III Droid MAXX Mini +1 Elite for all I care. If it's the best option for my needs then I'll buy it. If I bought Apple products based on names I'd nave bought an iPod, iPhone, iPad, iMac, PowerBook, or MacBook Pro.

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post #123 of 153
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That's a good answer. Is that how the MagSafe works or does it use two magnets to make the connection more secure? How does it affect costs to have one connector that is very strong so it can connect to a ferrous material? How does this electromagnetic field affect the data transfer over the cooper wires and the components near the where the magnet connects to on the device?
Besides thinking it's just pointless to keep a 5oz object with a 2' cord from being tripped over, I think the only way we're going to get data over the current MagSafe design is from an optical cable. This would be beneficial for the Apple Light Peak Display where the optical path would supply all the data needed for the display's ports, including it's built in GPU for when it goes Retina. I think that is more realistic (Apple even has a patent for such a thing) and yet I think that is still a long ways off.

 

On the Mac, the magnets are in the Mac, not the cable. This is also true of iPads, where the smart cover magnets are inside the iPad itself. That doesn't mean Apple couldn't reverse this arrangement for the new dock connector, though.

 

Magnets would have no effect on data transfer.

 

I don't think Apple are going to bother with putting display data over the dock connector any more. How often do you feel the need to plug your phone into a TV? It's all about AirPlay now.

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I think Magsafe would be a good idea. As someone mentioned, you don't need to have the magnets on the iPhone itself so no worries about your phone collecting "junk". But here's a few other things to consider:

 

- The exposed pins on the iPhone would just be flush mounted flat contacts. There's no need for anything to stick out - the contacts on the connector end would have the actual "pins".

- Pins can have more than one function. There's no rule anywhere that says you need a 1:1 relationship between pins and features.

- A Hall effect sensor in the iPhone. When it detects the magnets in the Magsafe, all the pins become enabled. This way the exposed pins will never have any power or signals on them when the Magsafe isn't atached.

- A pattern recognition Magsafe. With multiple Hall sensors and magnets in different orientations the iPhone could recognize which adaptor is connected and configure the pins appropriately. So your USB cable would work differently than a video cable.

- Heck, why even bother with pattern recognition? It should be easy to scan the pins to see if there's any signals (like USB data) and configure accordingly.

- Electromagnets in the base of the iPhone. The Magsafe has a weak field that's just strong enough to attach the Magsafe, and when the iPhone realizes it's connected (and there's power available) the electromagnet comes on greatly increasing the strength of the field and keeping them held together firmly. Now this goes against the Magsafe idea of a cord coming off if you trip, but I'm thinking more of docks where you'd want you device firmly seated. You could have a 30 pin to Magsafe adaptor that you'd insert into your dock and it would allow you to easily keep using all your old accessories.

- One less way for water to get into the iPhone.

- Magsafe headphones? Why not? Easy to connect and yet another way to prevent water getting into your phone. To maintain compatibility, a small Magsafe to 1/8" adaptor would allow you to use other headphones.

 

It's really not that hard to come up with a bunch of things Apple may do, and I'm sure they've thought of these (and dozens more).

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post #125 of 153
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You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 6th phone "5".

 

Has Apple ever coincided the generation of their phone with the name?  Other than once, with the iPhone 4?  It seems that in general, the generation number has nothing to do with the name picked by the marketing folks. 

 

Maybe they'll can the numbers this time around?  Maybe the iPhone LTE?

post #126 of 153
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Example: Fill in the blank.

 

3, 4, _

 

 

4S, 4G LTE, 5, 5S and THEN the iPhone 6.  Mark my words.

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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26 View Post

Maybe the iPhone LTE?

 

They didn't call the iPhone 3G the "iPhone HSPA". 

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post #128 of 153
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Maybe they'll can the numbers this time around?  Maybe the iPhone LTE?

 

 

The LTE might get them into hot water again in other countries.

 

I am still wondering what chip and frequencies they will support this time around to make a true 'World Phone".

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post #129 of 153
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Is that supposed to be a joke? You are really mistaking your role here. I suggest you give me an answer or I'll make everything to take down your website in France. I'm not kidding, I fell insulted by that post and I want you to do something about it.
If not, I want you to remove ALL my posts on this forum. No compliance to do so would go against French law that says that I'm the owner of my posts and I don't care if you are in the US, I WILL take down your website here. And yes, that's a menace.
Don't play with me. You can ban me, but I'll still ask for the removal of all my posts. Not just my name, all my posts have to have all their content erased. If you don't believe me look that up, ok?
EU sucks, I know... :P

 

Welcome to the Interwebs. You don't "own" your posts.  Once you hit "Submit" they are in the public domain.

 

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post #130 of 153

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a valid adress for an AR ?

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Welcome to the Interwebs. You don't "own" your posts.  Once you hit "Submit" they are in the public domain.

 

But don't let that keep from your little tantrum.

Sorry pal, that's not how it works in europe.

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Is

260 King St Suite 1205 San Francisco CA US 94107

a valid adress for an AR ?

 

You tell me. 

 

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And then tell me what an "AR" is supposed to be.

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post #133 of 153
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They didn't call the iPhone 3G the "iPhone HSPA". 

 

True.  But the possibilities seem truly endless, eh?  

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Following the article 38 of the french law « informatique et libertés » of january 6th 1978 modified, I ask you to remove my user name and all the content of my posts and take the steps necessary so that those contents do not appear on search engines.

 

 

I'll send you an AR and after reception you'll have two months to comply (article 94 of decreet of October 20th 2005 taken for the application of the law of january 6th 1978 modified).
 
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post #135 of 153
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Magnets would have no effect on data transfer.

Care to rephrase that?

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post #136 of 153
Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post
Following the article 38 of the french law « informatique et libertés » of january 6th 1978 modified, I ask you to remove my user name and all the content of my posts and take the steps necessary so that those contents do not appear on search engines.

 

I'll send you an AR and after reception you'll have two months to comply (article 94 of decreet of October 20th 2005 taken for the application of the law of january 6th 1978 modified).
 
After that time, you'll be breaking the french law. 

 

PM Kasper with this nonsense, don't keep crapping up a thread. Also, we don't delete users, so good luck with that.


Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
Care to rephrase that?
 

What we really need is one of those magnet wraps for our cables! Get one of those and it will line up all the bytes instead of them going through the cable willy-nilly. With the bytes lined up, the data will flow through faster.

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post #137 of 153
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I think Magsafe would be a good idea. As someone mentioned, you don't need to have the magnets on the iPhone itself so no worries about your phone collecting "junk". But here's a few other things to consider:

- The exposed pins on the iPhone would just be flush mounted flat contacts. There's no need for anything to stick out - the contacts on the connector end would have the actual "pins".
- Pins can have more than one function. There's no rule anywhere that says you need a 1:1 relationship between pins and features.
- A Hall effect sensor in the iPhone. When it detects the magnets in the Magsafe, all the pins become enabled. This way the exposed pins will never have any power or signals on them when the Magsafe isn't atached.
- A pattern recognition Magsafe. With multiple Hall sensors and magnets in different orientations the iPhone could recognize which adaptor is connected and configure the pins appropriately. So your USB cable would work differently than a video cable.
- Heck, why even bother with pattern recognition? It should be easy to scan the pins to see if there's any signals (like USB data) and configure accordingly.
- Electromagnets in the base of the iPhone. The Magsafe has a weak field that's just strong enough to attach the Magsafe, and when the iPhone realizes it's connected (and there's power available) the electromagnet comes on greatly increasing the strength of the field and keeping them held together firmly. Now this goes against the Magsafe idea of a cord coming off if you trip, but I'm thinking more of docks where you'd want you device firmly seated. You could have a 30 pin to Magsafe adaptor that you'd insert into your dock and it would allow you to easily keep using all your old accessories.
- One less way for water to get into the iPhone.
- Magsafe headphones? Why not? Easy to connect and yet another way to prevent water getting into your phone. To maintain compatibility, a small Magsafe to 1/8" adaptor would allow you to use other headphones.

It's really not that hard to come up with a bunch of things Apple may do, and I'm sure they've thought of these (and dozens more).

That's what I'm talking about! Excellent brainstorming although I still don't see any acknowledgment of what was a magnet (now an electromagnet) next to cooper wires. Adequate shielding is really the only answer but that adds cost (on top of this electromagnet) and could easily make the cable thick and unattractive, not to mention the connector. I also disagree with several of your points from a logistical standpoint of the product being produced but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

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post #138 of 153

One of the problems of embedding non-identifier data within entity identifiers is the confusion it causes people who learn to expect it.

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Care to rephrase that?

 

Here's an experiment you can try. Fun with magnets.

 

Go get the strongest magnet you can find - maybe one of those real earth magnets. If you have a good one, it'll be much more powerful than a magsafe magnet.

 

Now go get a USB cable, and hook it up to an external HDD or something (though, maybe don't get the magnet too close to the HDD! :).

 

Now put the magnet against the cable, or even right against the connector. Is the USB cable or connector attracted to the magnet? No. Does it slow down the data transfer? Didn't think so.

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Sorry pal, that's not how it works in europe.

 

You may be in Europe, but we're not.  If you don't like it, maybe you could restrict your tantrums to EU-based web servers?  LOL!

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post #141 of 153

Funny how looking at pics of the new iphone didn't inspire me to buy one.  But after seeing a video of the iphone with someone handling it, you notice the size difference and I now think its great.  I will upgrade.

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No matter what the new connector looks like, Samsung will have a new one that looks nearly identical shortly after. Including an adapter from the 30-pin copycat connector to the new X-pin copycat connector.
 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Fill in the blank. 1, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, _

 

5!

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Sorry pal, that's not how it works in europe.

 

Pretty sure it is. Do YouTube delete anonymous or pseudonymous comments? I know that an Irish site I register with and mod on won't, and can't. You've probably agreed to publish here, by law, as a "journalist" or mini-blogger on a hosted service. Your privacy rights, such as they are, pertain to your personal data. In Europe the admins here would have to remove all backend data about you - the real you - were you to leave but not remove any posts which are, after all, published pseudonymously. They would stay, or else there would be a major hole in threads. In any case I can quote you when you publish on this thread, so you would have no control over that, even if European law allowed for the deleting of posts. People effectively lose the right to privacy when they post stuff publicly  online. Here, it is merely your pseudonym which loses the privacy right. 
 
Lastly, whatever the French think, European law does not apply to websites which are hosted outside Europe. Not that that matters.

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post #144 of 153
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You may be in Europe, but we're not.  If you don't like it, maybe you could restrict your tantrums to EU-based web servers?  LOL!

Yeah, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since TS has a way of tersely offending people who merely express a far from unreasonable opinion. That was until he went off on the rant of 'bringing the website down' and invoking French law for his defense. Jeez dude, you need to get some thicker skin. I haven't looked for it but they sell everything online these days. Perhaps they have some skin thickener products over at Amazon.

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Following the article 38 of the french law « informatique et libertés » of january 6th 1978 modified, I ask you to remove my user name and all the content of my posts and take the steps necessary so that those contents do not appear on search engines.

 

 

I'll send you an AR and after reception you'll have two months to comply (article 94 of decreet of October 20th 2005 taken for the application of the law of january 6th 1978 modified).
 
After that time, you'll be breaking the french law. 

 

Watch out, we've got another badass over here.

 

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That's what I'm talking about! Excellent brainstorming although I still don't see any acknowledgment of what was a magnet (now an electromagnet) next to cooper wires. Adequate shielding is really the only answer but that adds cost (on top of this electromagnet) and could easily make the cable thick and unattractive, not to mention the connector. I also disagree with several of your points from a logistical standpoint of the product being produced but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

 

A magnet next to wires won't cause any problems with data transfer or interference with data.  Try it at home and you'll see - take a very strong magnet and wave it over a USB cable while you're transferring data and see what happens. I guarantee you nothing will happen. Or connect your iPhone with a 1/8" cable and play some soft music while waving your magnet to see if you can hear anything - you won't. If you could wave that magnet very fast (as in hundreds or thousands of times a second) you might be able to induce some noise in audio lines. But not in the digitial lines.

 

As to data, USB (along with most signal transfer methods) is "differential". By its very nature, differential pairs of wires are naturally immune to external electromagnetic interference (maybe not immune, but highly resistant). Add to this that it's digitil data of 1's and 0's and if becomes very difficult to somehow corrupt the data.

 

As to logistics - there have been some big advances in sensors in recent years so I think with existing technology it would be possible (but probably not required).

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post #146 of 153
Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post
Watch out, we've got another badass over here.

 

I use this, to great effect.

 

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Yeah, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since TS has a way of tersely offending people who merely express a far from unreasonable opinion. That was until he went off on the rant of 'bringing the website down' and invoking French law for his defense. Jeez dude, you need to get some thicker skin. I haven't looked for it but they sell everything online these days. Perhaps they have some skin thickener products over at Amazon.

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post #148 of 153
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I use this, to great effect.

 

 

I can see you are proud of your accomplishments. You sow discord among the membership and then gloat of your victories.

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I can see you are proud of your accomplishments. You sow discord among the membership and then gloat of your victories.

 

Yep.

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post #150 of 153
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This would be especially great for the iPad. That said, it's still only 5W with the wall unit and it does mean a hotter unit and parts that wear faster so I'm guessing that simply isn't feasible.

Nitpicking here: iPad adapter = 10W
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Nitpicking here: iPad adapter = 10W

So it is. Mea culpa. That means you could charge your iPad 2x as fast from Thunderbolt as from USB. I think I'd pay an additional cable charge for that capability.

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Nitpicking here: iPad adapter = 10W

So it is. Mea culpa. That means you could charge your iPad 2x as fast from Thunderbolt as from USB. I think I'd pay an additional cable charge for that capability.

You should. When I sync my iPad over USB it is also charging. But excruciatingly slow that after is has synced I just charge it with the adapter.
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You should. When I sync my iPad over USB it is also charging. But excruciatingly slow that after is has synced I just charge it with the adapter.

we had no adapter at the time, only a laptop. I remember it took a full 12 hours to charge the iPad! haha

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