Apple's next iPhone rumored with 8-pin dock connector, enhanced Bluetooth - Page 3

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

 

Not picking on you in particular, but to those who think it will be called "the new iPhone," ...  

 

... how does this make any sense at all when they are selling multiple different models of the iPhone from multiple years at the same time?

 

Why for instance would they do this for the next iPhone, but then switch back to version numbers next time?  And if they don't (switch back), how are they going to sell multiple versions of the iPhone at the same time if they are all called "the new iPhone?"  I would argue that as long as they are selling multiple versions from multiple years, that they need some kind of term to delineate which model is which, especially when you consider the very similar industrial designs of each model.  If the iPhone 4 and 4s had both been introduced as "the new iPhone" when new, how would they sell them now when there are few visible differences between them?  

 

IMO, it's more likely that they adopt the same thing Microsoft does for their crappy OS, i.e.- "years" instead of version numbers, like "the 2012 iPhone" or "iPhone (2012 edition)" or some such.  That way they could force the stupid media to stop making up their own stupid terms like "3G", "4G" etc., and confusing everything.  

Oh yeah, I'd thought about this too. It's actually the biggest argument in favor of something else than The New iPhone. It totally dismisses the idea imo.

It's not like the iPad that was completely replaced by the iPad 2 and the same with the new iPad. They are treating iPads like they treat computers. There's no iMac 2, 3 every year, just an update. It doesn't work like this with phones, and there'll always be a market for last gen phones. iPhone 5 !!!

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


1) You've only accounted for USB2. What happened to everything else? Somehow we've gone from removing the long obsolete FW pins to removing everything but the most basic USB pins with no room for growth or a thriving peripheral market. That doesn't ring true to me.
2) I dont get this desire for MagSafe on an small, pocketable device. There are a lot of reasons it's simply bad. You can even look at the same of MagSafe and MagSafe2 and note that is just power, not data and it's quite large due to the magnets. And that's before you have to deal with any of the other issues I mentioned.

1. I don't think Apple cares too much about all the other various functions of the dock connector. Wireless (Airplay, Bluetooth, 802.15, etc) is the future for peripheral connectivity. As for USB3 ... its far more bandwidth than iPhones would need for the next few years. By the time major advances in NAND come along that make USB2 too slow, we'll all be syncing wirelessly anyway.

2. Magsafe would be so much simpler and easier to connect. The current dock connector is actually quite annoying, having to futz around with it to orientate the connector correctly.... and of course, no doubt it'll save a few iPhones/iPads flying across the room when you trip over the cable.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Based on these leaked images and that logic, people should really be calling it the "iPhone 4S2".

 

 

That makes as much sense as calling it the iPhone 6.

My car can already communicate over BlueTooth.  WiFi wouldn't be a stretch.  Why shouldn't that device-to-car interaction be able to happen wirelessly?

FTR, I'm only talking about 3G/4G for device to cloud communication, but I can already upgrade my iOS version that way, why not simpler stuff?  Just because it's always been done with a wired proprietary connector doesn't make it right for the future...

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Originally Posted by SSquirrel 

 

As limited as most carriers are trying to make your bandwidth for 3G/4G, do you really want to eat up your data plan for your phone to communicate w/your car?

Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

... how does this make any sense at all when they are selling multiple different models of the iPhone from multiple years at the same time?

Guess you should have asked them that before they released the 3rd iPad.

Originally Posted by Rennaisance 
…no doubt it'll save a few iPhones/iPads flying across the room when you trip over the cable.

I'm genuinely curious: when has this ever happened to anyone, anywhere, at any time? Are people getting third-party USB A-Dock Connector cables that are ten feet long and stringing them around their rooms? Do a great deal of iDevice users live in Japan and keep their iDevices plugged in on their kotatsu? 

How do you trip over a cable for an iDevice?

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

I am so tired of your idiotic comments on eery single post.  

 

Putting you on permanent ignore in 3, 2, 1 .... 

 

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Now if only the troll-like "Global Moderator" (:rolleyes:), would stop publishing your every remark with a "no" after it, I'd be safe from the idiocy.  

 

You guys need to look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argument_Sketch

 

... and really take the lesson to heart.

 

Especially this part: "... Palin becomes frustrated with this, insisting that he paid for an argument, and "an argument is an intellectual process, while contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.""

 

Just saying the equivalent of "Oh yeah?" back and forth twenty times is NOT an argument.  

Exactly, but good luck getting 'you know who' to learn something from this.

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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh 

To make an adapter that will support most existing accessories, they need two pins for power, two for USB data, two for serial, and four for analog audio in/out, plus ground and the accessory resistor. There are a couple others that might still be necessary. I guess the analog audio signals could be connected via the jack, but that would be a very un-Apple adapter.
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml has the current pinout, making it look pretty hard to go below about 16 pins.

Umm, why not just a thunderbolt?

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Guess you should have asked them that before they released the 3rd iPad.

 

I'm genuinely curious: when has this ever happened to anyone, anywhere, at any time? Are people getting third-party USB A-Dock Connector cables that are ten feet long and stringing them around their rooms? Do a great deal of iDevice users live in Japan and keep their iDevices plugged in on their kotatsu? 

 

How do you trip over a cable for an iDevice?

No seriously it never happened to be but really almost just happened to my bf. He was carrying a big glass thing and didn't see my iPad charging on the bed with the cable lying across a small passage on the side of the bed. He almost fell but the cable detached, I'm serious lol.

I don't need increased connectivity between iDevices.

What I need is for iOS to support the slew of standardized bluetooth profiles that they are currently ignoring (like Serial over Bluetooth and the like).

The whole point of bluetooth was to create OS/Device agnostic connectivity, and then Apple goes and limits it to only their devices and accessories...  So frustrating.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


1) You talk about USB3 but you're design completely discounts that as an option because you only want 4 pins and USB3 uses 9 pins.
2) Talk about futzing, having a connector come off because I barely moved the device is not good. Having the connector potentially touch metal in my pocket that can short the system or simply stick to the ferrous conenctor is not good. You've made no case as to how highly exposed connectors would work in a pocketable device, how the magnetism wouldn't be an issue, how the increased size for the ferrous connector can somehow be shrunk down, how you can have more pins than are currently had on the current MagSafe, how not being magnetic is such an issue for users, how this can used for anything other than USB2 traffic, or how this could possibly be a future-forward dock connector when you don't even allow enough pins for USB3.

1. Nope. I was explaining why it won't/doesn't need to support USB3.

2. Hmm, is magnetic pocket-lint a real issue for many people? Maybe if you work in a factory producing iron-filings...

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


Consider what you've implied in this thread. You want something that magnetically connects with more pins than are currently used with the latest MagSafe Apple just released. Have you see the size of that? So you don't want anything smaller than the current 30-pin connector. Also note the design. For it to work the pins have to exposed a lot more than in other plugs. You imply that only someone working in a factory that producing iron filings would be at risk of a magnetic that will pull all ferrous metal toward exposed pin that are connected to a battery. Do you seriously not see the potential hazard this could cause for people. I carry metal in my pockets in various forms and if the connector for the device looks and acted like MagSafe I'd at worst, have shorted out my phone.
Still, you haven't explained why a magnetic connector is needed for a device that doesn't typically have a long power cord going the across the floor that you can trip over.

I'm pretty sure the dock connector port isn't directly connected to the battery. Unless Apple really messed up, there should be no way to get a shock or even drain the battery just by shorting pins on the device's dock connector.

I do see your point about the plugs having to be quite big to have enough surface area for the magnet to grip. Looking at the leaked case, though, the port does still look fairly big. But yes, not as big as a Magsafe 2 on a Mac.

Still no answer, I love the support you guys are giving me... way to treat one commenter.

Originally Posted by ClemyNX 
Still no answer, I love the support you guys are giving me... way to treat one commenter.

I know, right? You still haven't answered my question about why "iPhone 5" makes any sense whatsoever! Weird.

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 

Seeing that some iPhones 4S already display 4G on the top bar, I don't think it will be the case. AT&T wouldn't be very please about this and lots of people would wonder why the 4S was marketed as 4G already. 

I don't think it will be 4Something either since it seems that a redesign is going to take place, so it's not part of the 4 series (as someone else said).

The new iPhone 4G could be the iPhone that brings 4G to the rest of the world.  Not an ATT exclusive anymore.

This is all MarketingSpeak.  Whatever gets the damn things out the door fastest is what will be deemed the best name.

And besides, Apple has done things in the past that may have pissed off ATT.  But they did them anyways.  

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 

I'm still waiting for an answer from a moderator.

Is the language that was used against me accepted on this forum? Not banning him is like a "yes" to me.

You need to learn that the language which is acceptable here is defined by its context. 

Given certain speakers and certain subject matter, anything goes.

I'll just wait til Apple announces the damn phone. 19 pins, 16...8?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


It certainly gets tricky but they are doing it now with the iPad. With the Macs it wasn't too much of an issue because the old Macs stopped being sold except on their Refurbished Store. Still, they kept the same casing for so long with Macs that you do have to do some digging to find out when it was released.
I think the year qualifier will probably be adopted even if unofficially. It does make it easier and clearly their current naming scheme isn't working if people think the iPhone 4 was named not because it was the 4th gen iPhone but because 4 comes after 3+G+S.
Note the 3rd gen iPad isn't called The New iPad for all time. They aren't going to name the 4th gen iPad The Newer iPad. It's like Yesterday and Tomorrow, they are relative term, and we seem to do well with those. The problem comes when trying to get an idea of what model is being used which is more an issue for tech support than anything else.

Yes, that was my point exactly that it would only work to not name the iteration as long as there is only one model of each product for sale at a given time.  

Perhaps they will call it "the new iPhone" (like "the new iPad"), and then rename it in an unofficial way as "iPad 2012" when next years' "the new iPad" comes out?  We'll find out soon enough I suppose.  They could even create "budget" models of the iPad and iPhone and thus stop selling last year's models as they do now. 

Originally Posted by ClemyNX 
Is that supposed to be a joke? 

Nope. "How can you not see it" is not an explanation.

The last thing you said that was anywhere near a question was, "What do you think? That I wrote it and it doesn't make sense to me?"

To which I gave no reply, as I have none until I get more information. Hence why I asked you a question in turn, specifically asking how you could possibly see it as making sense.

Yes, that's certainly happening.

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Originally Posted by AaronJ 

 

Me too.  If I'm walking with my iPhone in my pocket, rocking out to tunes w/ the headphones, my iPhone is sitting upright in my pocket.  If I then take it out, it's still upright.

 

I know it sounds like such a little thing, but the headphone jack on the bottom makes no sense to me at all.

If they move the jack to the bottom, it will be facing bottom up toward you.  When you remove the phone from your pocket, you will be holding the same part of the phone you always hold.  how does the orientation in your pocket matter?  During the NCAA tournament this year I couldn't find the games I wanted on a local radio station, so I used the NCAA app and turned the phone upside down in my left breast pocket of my shirt.  Speaker was facing my head and I could listen to the games while I drove, like a very expensive transistor radio heh.  If you unplug the headphones the speaker is now also facing toward you so it won't sound ridiculously mufffled and you would need to flip the phone around.  I fail to see the issue here.  All the ins and outs are together, only the power button still on top.

I wish the connector was fluffy and smelled like lavender.

Originally Posted by Andysol 
Your argument doesnt hold water.

My argument that the next iPhone is going to be called "the new iPhone" holds no water?

Ooooooookay!

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


But at least it made sense when you removed the FW, iPod Photo, and other unused or obsolesced pins from the current line up. Unless you have some very advanced HW inside to switch pins at will, which seems like overkill, 8 just isn't cutting it.
Even iff they add USB3 support you still won't get those speeds. Even now the transfers are still bottlenecked by the NAND.
One thing I'd like to see, but don't know if it's possible, is using the TB connector for data transfer and charging. I'm still talking about the USB protocol over TB but having 2x the wattage for charging. This would be especially great for the iPad. That said, it's still only 5W with the wall unit and it does mean a hotter unit and parts that wear faster so I'm guessing that simply isn't feasible.
No way! I don't want my keys or other items to start sticking to my iPhone in my pocket or bag. The whole reason for MagSafe is to protect against accidentally tripping the cord and having the machine go flying off and get damaged. I just don't see how that is an issue with a smartphone. If anything they need a reverse MagSafe for the headphone jack, but that's for another discussion.

You bring up a good point about keys and other items sticking to your phone however this may not be a problem if the magnet is only on the plug and not on the phone itself.

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Originally Posted by 65C816 

Umm, why not just a thunderbolt?

No PCI-e 3.0 on ARM chips.  There are some with PCI-e 2.0, but I haven't been abel to find any advertised w/3.0.  Have to have PCI-e and DisplayPort for TB to function.  If those are not built into the iPhone, they would not be able to have TB.

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 


Is that supposed to be a joke? You are really mistaking your role here. I suggest you give me an answer or I'll make everything to take down your website in France. I'm not kidding, I fell insulted by that post and I want you to do something about it.
If not, I want you to remove ALL my posts on this forum. No compliance to do so would go against French law that says that I'm the owner of my posts and I don't care if you are in the US, I WILL take down your website here. And yes, that's a menace.
Don't play with me. You can ban me, but I'll still ask for the removal of all my posts. Not just my name, all my posts have to have all their content erased. If you don't believe me look that up, ok?
EU sucks, I know... :P

Good job on threatening a DDoS (or whatever) on a website.  That's sure to win you lots of points and friends as well as prove what a avst intellect is behind that keyboard. /s  BTW, it isn't an EU site, it's US based.  Not sure it falls under the EU laws for that, but keep things up and I'm sure they are more than happy to wipe your existence from these boards.  You are free to feel insulted by his post.  It's a free country.  Moderators are people too and they will post on trheads if they want.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

 

Yes, that was my point exactly that it would only work to not name the iteration as long as there is only one model of each product for sale at a given time.  

 

Perhaps they will call it "the new iPhone" (like "the new iPad"), and then rename it in an unofficial way as "iPad 2012" when next years' "the new iPad" comes out?  We'll find out soon enough I suppose.  They could even create "budget" models of the iPad and iPhone and thus stop selling last year's models as they do now. 

I wouldn't be surprised by this at all.  Release the new iPad in 2013 and retroactively change the 2012 one to the iPad 2012.  Why create budget models when they have already done the design work on the old models and producing them is likely cheaper than separate design and production of a cut down model of the current version? 

Oh and as for the tripping over an iPhone cord, no never.  My cable is plugged into my Mini at home and I keep one in my backpack so I can plug into my desktop at work.  When they moved my desk I made sure to request they put the tower on teh corner of my desk instead of down below so I could keep things plugged in more easily.  It's very rare that I am somewhere I can't just plug in w/the USB cable, but I have the adapter in my bag too.  Almost always ends up plugged in by a bed or something in those rare cases

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


Seriously? You aren't aware that it's 4G in name to refer to HSPA+? It's a designation started by T-Mobile USA that AT&T railed against and thhen adopted because there is no legal definition of a cardinal number followed by a letter for cellular tech. 

 

Nope.  Never had occasion to pay much attention to who is using what name.  Next time around, that will be a factor however.

Originally Posted by Andysol 
There was nothing "4S" about the 4S.

4S: Same design as the 4, but faster.

3GS: Same design as the 3G, but faster.

Stumper, that one.

You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 6th phone "5".

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

The 6th iPhone, running iOS 6 and having 4G telephony will be "iPhone 5". Really. Really. This makes sense to you? 

I'm guessing they will start naming the new versions after wild dogs. I think that makes as much sense as calling it iPhone 6. What difference does it make? He was simply stating an opinion, just like you, but in a more polite manner.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 6th phone "5".

You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 2nd iPhone "3G".

You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 5th iPhone "4S".

Stumper, that one.

Originally Posted by Andysol 
You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 2nd iPhone "3G".

You're right; Apple could prove us all wrong, be idiots, and call their 5th iPhone "4S".

Both of which, unlike "5", were tied to the phone in some way. At least one way. At all. In any capacity. 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Both of which, unlike "5", were tied to the phone in some way. At least one way. At all. In any capacity. 

Again- if I had to bet, I wouldn't bet it would be called the 5.  But I also wouldn't go put my foot in my mouth and claim it won't be.

Example: Fill in the blank.

3, 4, _

Originally Posted by Andysol 
Fill in the blank.

 

3, 4, _

Fill in the blank. 1, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, _