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Combined Mac and iPad sales reached more than 21 million in the second quarter of 2012, giving Apple a 19.4 percent share of all PC shipments.

Apple's sales made it the No. 1 worldwide vendor of PCs, easily besting second-place HP, which held 12.5 percent of the market with shipments of 13.5 million PCs, according to Canalys. Apple also saw the most year-over-year growth among the top vendors, increasing sales of Macs and iPads by 59.6 percent from the second quarter of 2011, while HP's total sales slid 11.3 percent.

A year ago, Apple finished in second place behind HP, with 13.6 percent of the market on sales of 13.2 million iPads and Macs. But this year, Apple was the clear-cut winner, selling nearly 8 million more total PCs than HP.

"There is now a large base of replacement buyers that simply must have the latest Apple product, and the decision to continue shipping the iPad 2 at lower price points has opened up new customers, for example in education,"said Tom Evans, Canalys Research Analyst. "One drawback of the stand-out retina display in the new iPad, however, is the increased storage demanded by HD content. An upgrade, without a big price increase, is a must for the next generation of product."

Behind Apple in first and HP in second was third-place Lenovo, which shipped 13.2 million PCs and took 12.1 percent of the market. Lenovo's shipments were up 27 percent year over year, giving it the second-fastest growth in the PC market among the top five vendors.

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In fourth was Acer, which shipped 10.7 million units, good for a 9.8 percent share and 4.3 percent year over year growth. Dell took fifth on shipments of 9.7 million PCs, giving it 8.9 percent of the market and a loss of 10.9 percent in unit sales year over year.

Overall, the PC market grew 11.7 percent year over year, with the top five driven by Apple and Lenovo, offsetting losses by HP and Dell.

"Reports that poor economic conditions and the wait for Windows 8 hurt the PC industry this quarter do not tell the whole story," Evans said. "The PC industry is performing well and 2012 is shaping up to be a record year. Vendors with innovative products will reap the rewards."
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In before... "iPads aren't PCs!!!"
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In before... "iPads aren't PCs!!!"

damn beat me to it

 

shouldnt amazon and google be pc makers now too?

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I dug this gem of a quote from the Canalys article : "We expect the Surface pads to have a similar impact on the PC industry as the Zune did in portable music players,’ commented Canalys Analyst Tim Coulling."

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We keep seeing this. The iPad being lumped in with the rest. 

 

Eventually (and sooner, I should think) it will just become a fact of life, and everyone will be reporting it this way. 

 

Inevitability. 

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In before... "iPads aren't PCs!!!"

How many people do you suppose were in the market for a new Windows notebook but ended up buying an iPad instead?

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I wouldn't classify tablets with computers. Keeping them separate makes more sense. Although I'm sure Apple couldn't care less either way.

I would - many people are buying them to do the same tasks as they do with PCs.

 

If your goal is to see how many tablets are sold vs. traditional PCs, keep them separate. If your goal is to see how many computing devices companies are selling, include tablets.

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Since the iPad 2, I've personally replaced over 40 dying, dead, or just plain old Windows PCs. I haven't had one... not "1" complaint yet!

Is the iPad a PC? No... and Thank Dawg it isn't one.

Does it replace a PC for the "average", tech-averse, web-surfing, FB-ing, emailing, YouTube-watching, PDF-viewing, game-once-in-awhile, etc., etc., etc.... WinPC user? *100% YES!

*My personal experience only as a tech consultant, and not to be confused or misconstrued as an official Apple iPad endorsement. That would cost some serious $$$$ 1smile.gif
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Since the iPad 2, I've personally replaced over 40 dying, dead, or just plain old Windows PCs. I haven't had one... not "1" complaint yet!
Is the iPad a PC? No... and Thank Dawg it isn't one.
Does it replace a PC for the "average", tech-averse, web-surfing, FB-ing, emailing, YouTube-watching, PDF-viewing, game-once-in-awhile, etc., etc., etc.... WinPC user? *100% YES!
*My personal experience only as a tech consultant, and not to be confused or misconstrued as an official Apple iPad endorsement. That would cost some serious $$$$ 1smile.gif




Coulsnt agree more. Not a true replacement but can fill in for a computer for most people.
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How many people do you suppose were in the market for a new Windows notebook but ended up buying an iPad instead?

I think that's a valid argument for how the iPad has effected the PC market and how the iPad fits into the consumer electronic market as a whole, but for a standard classification I just see the iPad being called a "PC" despite how it is, by pedant definition a personal computer.

I wonder where the Surface and other Win8 devices are going to fit it in. I can see people now saying how Win8 is a "real" OS despite pretty much the same limitations and control for Win8 on ARM-based systems.

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We keep seeing this. The iPad being lumped in with the rest. 

 

Eventually (and sooner, I should think) it will just become a fact of life, and everyone will be reporting it this way. 

 

Inevitability. 

Agreed....I try to do as much on my iPad as I can. My original white intel 20" iMac reminds me of a "sad" but still "dedicated" Wall-Eee sitting on my desk. I hardly go into my den anymore! :(

 

I'm pretty sure I won't be purchasing anymore desktops....and may be able to avoid purchasing an MBA as well. An iPad 7" an iP5 and a new Apple Television and I'll be good to go! :)

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How many people do you suppose were in the market for a new Windows notebook but ended up buying an iPad instead?

If that were my choice, I'd sure pick the iPad.

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I dug this gem of a quote from the Canalys article : "We expect the Surface pads to have a similar impact on the PC industry as the Zune did in portable music players,’ commented Canalys Analyst Tim Coulling."

My only quibble with that quote is the use of the word impact! LOL
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I think that's a valid argument for how the iPad has effected the PC market and how the iPad fits into the consumer electronic market as a whole, but for a standard classification I just see the iPad being called a "PC" despite how it is, by pedant definition a personal computer.
I wonder where the Surface and other Win8 devices are going to fit it in. I can see people now saying how Win8 is a "real" OS despite pretty much the same limitations and control for Win8 on ARM-based systems.

Dig deeply enough, and you'll discover that the definition of "PC" ends up being "the box that does precisely and only what I've been doing with it for the past 20 years."

Mention the myriad of things an iPad does that the old-school PC doesn't, and the cricket-chirping is deafening.

Sorry, but the ability write code and create humungous spreadsheets is FAR from the full definition of a PC.

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So, how long before Dell gets grouped in with the "Others" category?

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Chromebooks Aren't PCs!

 

heh.

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How many people do you suppose were in the market for a new Windows notebook but ended up buying an iPad instead?

 

Bu-bu-bu-but! Wasn't that when they were supposed to want a little crippled Netbook? 

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Dig deeply enough, and you'll discover that the definition of "PC" ends up being "the box that does precisely and only what I've been doing with it for the past 20 years."

Mention the myriad of things an iPad does that the old-school PC doesn't, and the cricket-chirping is deafening.

Sorry, but the ability write code and create humungous spreadsheets is FAR from the full definition of a PC.

 

Direct hit! You sank the Luddite battleship. lol.gif

I'm continually amused at the parallels between these early days of the iPad and the original Macintosh. I remember back in the 80s when all those grumpy command line geeks were laughing off these new toy machines with their mouse and GUI and declaring them anything but "true computers." And yeah, maybe in the very early days, those guys sounded pretty logical and almost right in their point of view, but they--like the people dismissing the iPad--lacked foresight. It's not what this thing is today, but what it's becoming. Nobody would argue nowadays that the toy box with the mouse and GUI aren't real computers. In 5-10 years, nobody will be denying the same about the iPad and its descendants.

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Dig deeply enough, and you'll discover that the definition of "PC" ends up being "the box that does precisely and only what I've been doing with it for the past 20 years."

Mention the myriad of things an iPad does that the old-school PC doesn't, and the cricket-chirping is deafening.

Sorry, but the ability write code and create humungous spreadsheets is FAR from the full definition of a PC.

I really don't think your first sentence will fly. I suspect that for many consumers "PC" will be relegated to "the thing that collected dust bunnies under my desk that was connected with wires to a bunch of other things that sat on my desk that sits in a room I hardly go to anymore."

 

Enterprise users will have a more varied definition of "PC," but I think they associate the term with the device that defines where they are anchored at work. 

 

Most people today define iPad as the device that allows them to easily accomplish incredible things where ever they are. 

 

"PC" dredges up feelings of "paying the bills, being at work, sitting uncomfortably, frustration while trying to get things done." The iPad is free of those associations. 

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Coulsnt agree more. Not a true replacement but can fill in for a computer for most people.

 

My sister's father in law was visiting from France and wantedto buy an iPad 2.  I pointed out that iOS 5 was due out soon and he would be able to sync over wi-fi.  I told her to have him wait till he went back to France the following week so if he was buying one w/3G he could make sure he was getting set up with the network he preferred.  He had them set it up in the store and doesn't have a normal computer at home.  He's still completely thrilled w/his "new computer" almost a year later. 

 

My wife had to use her original iPad as her computer for about 4 months last year after her hard drive in her desktop died.  The occasional website she would have to steal my computer, but generally she was just fine.

 

As soon as Surface comes out everyone will report tablets and PCs together.

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PCs are PCs and tablets are tablets.

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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post
PCs are PCs and tablets are tablets.

 

Apparently not, as that's not what the chart says.

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Apparently not, as that's not what the chart says.

heres a different chart

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Apple, Saumsung, Sony, Toshiba and etc=others

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And if the iPad were a PC. these numbers would be relevant.

 

It's not, so they aren't. I notice that the same people who poo poo'ed Netbooks as not being real PC's just a few years ago are largely behind this move to mainstream the iPad as a computing device, and not a glorified iPod Touch with a larger screen, interestingly enough.

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PCs are PCs and tablets are tablets.

Are those from Samuel Johnson's Tautological Dictionary? 😷

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Dig deeply enough, and you'll discover that the definition of "PC" ends up being "the box that does precisely and only what I've been doing with it for the past 20 years."
Mention the myriad of things an iPad does that the old-school PC doesn't, and the cricket-chirping is deafening.
Sorry, but the ability write code and create humungous spreadsheets is FAR from the full definition of a PC.

You lost me there. Are you saying it should or shouldn't be labeled a "PC" by every consumer, OEM and analyst?

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I think that's a valid argument for how the iPad has effected the PC market and how the iPad fits into the consumer electronic market as a whole, but for a standard classification I just see the iPad being called a "PC" despite how it is, by pedant definition a personal computer.
I wonder where the Surface and other Win8 devices are going to fit it in. I can see people now saying how Win8 is a "real" OS despite pretty much the same limitations and control for Win8 on ARM-based systems.

 

Here's an interesting test you can perform yourself:

 

Given: 

  • The WART will ship with a pre-release version of Office 2013 (not all apps) -- presumably October 2012
  • The WIPT will ship with a full release of Office 2013 -- presumably 1Q 2013
  • The top levels of Office 2013 have been rewritten for touch, but lower levels are unchanged and barely usable
  • Office 2013 apps are pretty much what you have now with features added

 

  • iWork on the Mac is a low cost alternative to Office for many users (not as robust as MS Office)
  • iWork on iPad was completely rewritten for touch and some features from thr Mac version were removed

 

So here's the interesting test/exercise... to see how well a basic office app, Word Processing, performs:

  1. the touch version on a touch device -- iPad
  2. the non-touch (desktop) version on a touch device -- iPad 

 

Get the SplashTop Streamer app for the Mac and the xDisplay app for the iPad and install them.  This allows you to mirror the Mac display on the iPad

  1. start both apps
  2. launch Pages on the Mac
  3. launch Pages on the iPad
  4. set both to share the the same document through iCloud

 

Now any changes you make to the document from the Mac or the iPad will be reflected on the other device... pretty neat, but with a few rough spots.

 

 

Here's the test:

 

With xDisplay on the iPad you can run the desktop version of Pages (running on the Mac) on the iPad -- then switch to the touch version of Pages running on the iPad.

 

This gives you a pretty good feel for what Apple did to make Pages work acceptable on the iPad -- and what features they dropped to simplify the iPad version and the UI.

 

It also gives you an idea how useful Pages would be on the iPad if they had just ported the desktop version to the iPad -- retaining the same layout and UI.

 

I think you would agree that the desktop version of Pages is not very useful on a touch device -- the iPad.

 

 

Now, consider, that Pages is nowhere as feature-rich, complex, busy UI as MS Word.  Yet, MS plans to bring Office with little change (some cosmetic and high-level UI changes) to the WART and the WIPT.

 

I suggest to you that Word and Office will be pretty much unusable on the WART.

 

I suggest that Word and Office will be marginally usable on the WIPT -- only when the WIPT is used with a kb & trackpad -- used as a laptop.

 

I suggest that the going to a lobotomized "desktop" on the WART to effectively use Word/Office will only complicates the situation.

 

I suggest that going through Metro to get to Word/Office on the WIPT will only complicate the situation.

 

 

In summary, I don't believe that WART will be successful, at all, and that WIPT won't be successful as a tablet.

 

 

Why bother?

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I notice that the same people who poo poo'ed Netbooks as not being real PC's just a few years ago are largely behind this move to mainstream the iPad as a computing device, and not a glorified iPod Touch with a larger screen, interestingly enough.

 

It would seem that the earlier assumptions of the iPad's capability were wrong. Perhaps it was the tight integration of software to the hardware that threw the early critics. In the PC era throwing massive RAM and multi-core power-hungry hardware at a problem was the way to solve problems created by sloppy software. It was easy to believe the iPad couldn't do complex tasks because the specs weren't in line with the PC specs. 

 

Apple has proved that hardware specs don't tell the whole story when it comes to tightly integrated hardware running highly optimized software. Results rule.

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It would seem that the earlier assumptions of the iPad's capability were wrong. Perhaps it was the tight integration of software to the hardware that threw the early critics. In the PC era throwing massive RAM and multi-core power-hungry hardware at a problem was the way to solve problems created by sloppy software. It was easy to believe the iPad couldn't do complex tasks because the specs weren't in line with the PC specs. 

 

Apple has proved that hardware specs don't tell the whole story when it comes to tightly integrated hardware running highly optimized software. Results rule.

I would not go so far as to say all desktop software was sloppy, unless you want to throw OS X and all of Apple's professional apps in that category as well. The iPad is different than a desktop in many ways. It is reasonably good at some things and terrible at others. The major limitations with iPad in my view are - not a very precise pointing device and lack of a file system, along with fairly awkward multitasking system. On the plus side it has good portability and inexpensive price. The desktop has many advantages but the main disadvantages are that it is not at all portable and is also more expensive.

 

The size and system requirements of applications cannot be summed up as sloppy on the desktop and optimized on the iPad because they are two different environments. If I lived in a large house with big rooms I have the option of buying a pool table and inviting 20 people over for dinner. If I lived in a studio apartment, well... you get the idea.

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As soon as Surface comes out everyone will report tablets and PCs together.

 

Yeah, but Surface sales volume will be so low that they will be reported as "others".

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Dig deeply enough, and you'll discover that the definition of "PC" ends up being "the box that does precisely and only what I've been doing with it for the past 20 years."

Mention the myriad of things an iPad does that the old-school PC doesn't, and the cricket-chirping is deafening.

Sorry, but the ability write code and create humungous spreadsheets is FAR from the full definition of a PC.

Have a couple of questions for ya

 

  1. How do you set up your new wireless router (out of the box) with an iPad?
  2. How do update the maps on your GPS with an iPad?
  3. How do you update the firmware on your camera with an iPad?
  4. How do you rip your CD/DVD collection with an iPad?
  5. How do you do colour management on your printer with an iPad?
  6. How do you run Final Cut Pro or Aperture on an iPad?
  7. How do you set up seperate user accounts on an iPad?

 

Cricket chirping...

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Have a couple of questions for ya
  1. How do you set up your new wireless router (out of the box) with an iPad?
  2. How do update the maps on your GPS with an iPad?
  3. How do you update the firmware on your camera with an iPad?
  4. How do you rip your CD/DVD collection with an iPad?
  5. How do you do colour management on your printer with an iPad?
  6. How do you run Final Cut Pro or Aperture on an iPad?
  7. How do you set up seperate user accounts on an iPad?

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1) Doable.
2) Doable.
3) Doable.
4) Irrelevant.
5) Doable.
6) No applicable.
7) Funny how the more personal a computer is the less of a personal computer it gets labeled as.

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  1. How do you run Final Cut Pro on an iPad?

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Have a couple of questions for ya
  1. How do you set up your new wireless router (out of the box) with an iPad?
  2. How do update the maps on your GPS with an iPad?
  3. How do you update the firmware on your camera with an iPad?
  4. How do you rip your CD/DVD collection with an iPad?
  5. How do you do colour management on your printer with an iPad?
  6. How do you run Final Cut Pro or Aperture on an iPad?
  7. How do you set up seperate user accounts on an iPad?

Cricket chirping...
LOL, you really don't get it, do you?

The "PC" isn't defined by your specific list of desired tasks. It's not a checklist. It's defined by the marketplace. When a significant number of people start purchasing a device in lieu of an existing type of device, well, the definition of that existing device has changed, mostly because the general public's overall needs are now being covered by the device.

Note that the original IBM PC couldn't do any of the things on your list, but people still consider it a PC. Same with the original Apple II and the first Mac.

The definition is fluid and moves with the times.

Unlike you.

In addition to responses listed above refuting your points, I will point out that there are video editing and image editing apps. The definition of a PC definitely isn't tied to one specific branded application (like Final Cut Pro). Saying that "iPad has iMovie or Avid Studio" is sufficient to refute point #6.

I'll also point out that many -- if not most -- routers have featured a browser-based admin interface over the past ten years. You connect to the router via WiFi, enter the admin login and password (per the user manual) and begin configuration.

But keep pumping out nonsensical, poorly reasoned blathering. It fits in well with much of the other commentary here at AppleInsider.
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Have a couple of questions for ya
  1. How do you set up your new wireless router (out of the box) with an iPad?
  2. How do update the maps on your GPS with an iPad?
  3. How do you update the firmware on your camera with an iPad?
  4. How do you rip your CD/DVD collection with an iPad?
  5. How do you do colour management on your printer with an iPad?
  6. How do you run Final Cut Pro or Aperture on an iPad?
  7. How do you set up seperate user accounts on an iPad?

Cricket chirping...

The definition of a PC was created in the 1980s.... in a time when NONE of that stuff even existed.

Was the IBM PC 5150 not a PC because CD drives weren't invented yet?

However... if the definition began decades ago with the old IBM PC... and it grew to what we consider a PC today.... couldn't the definition of a PC also grow to include what an iPad is today?
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nonsense!...

 

you need a computer to make the website you visit... to design the magazine you read.... to code the APP you use... to render the movies you rent... if it was not for an actual computer you would do nothing with an ipad.

only way you think an ipad is in the same as a MAC is if you make nothing - it is an insult to lump a MAC running OSX with the mickey mouse iOS and a toy like an iPad.

 

Even Apple keeps them apart. 

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Originally Posted by agramonte View Post
you need a computer to make the website you visit... to design the magazine you read.... to code the APP you use... to render the movies you rent... if it was not for an actual computer you would do nothing with an ipad.

 

You've summed up what you just said quite nicely already:

 

nonsense!...

 

only way you think an ipad is in the same as a MAC is if you make nothing - it is an insult to lump a MAC running OSX with the mickey mouse iOS and a toy like an iPad.

 

I'm gonna ask the other mods if they agree that 'iPad is a toy' and 'iOS isn't a real man's phone OS' infraction-worthy. Anything else I'm forgetting to ask about while I'm at it?

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 PCs are PCs and Tablets are Tablets

Ah well, tablet, laptop, netbook, desktop are all form factors of a "personal computer". I would go as far to say that an iPod with iOS is also a form factor of a 'personal computer' (slightly more limited than a netbook in certain respects, but you can still do email. calendaring, browsing, movie editing, etc. with it). Anything you can install applications on and can be used personally is a 'personal computer'. A smartphone is a 'personal computer' with the added ability ('applications') to make voice calls and send/receive SMS (making a separate phone (dedicated voice/SMS machine) not strictly necessary and making a camera (dedicated picture/video machine) not strictly necessary.

 

What the original PC did (amongst others) was turning text typing on paper from a dedicated machine (typewriter) into an application on 'generic' 'personal computer' hardware

What the smartphone does is turing voice calls, texting and such into applications on 'generic' 'personal computer' hardware

What the smartphone/iPod does is turning pictures/video into applications on 'generic' 'personal computer' hardware

 

That's the nice thing about 'unimedia' (bits). Anything operating in bitland can become an application. What then happens is that there are various form factors which support certain applications better. E.g. CAD modeling on a smartphone: not feasible. Texting your activities wherever you go on a big 27" desktop: not practical. Etc.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


1) Doable.
2) Doable.
3) Doable.
4) Irrelevant.
5) Doable.
6) No applicable.
7) Funny how the more personal a computer is the less of a personal computer it gets labeled as.

 

Why are 4 & 6 irrelevant?  That's the only things I need my desktop for: ilife, itunes and pixelmator.  And development but that's not normal.

 

7 is very useful if you share the device.  I have 2 ipads and 3 kids plus the wife and I.

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Originally Posted by nht View Post

Why are 4 & 6 irrelevant?  That's the only things I need my desktop for: ilife, itunes and pixelmator.  And development but that's not normal.

7 is very useful if you share the device.  I have 2 ipads and 3 kids plus the wife and I.

It's simple. If you think a CD/DVD drive is a requirement then that excludes all PCs prior to this inclusion, it excludes ultra-slim notebooks like Ultrabooks and the MBA, it excludes the RMBP, it excludes all SFF notebooks like netbooks, it excludes servers like the Mac mini et al., and it excludes all PCs prior to the inclusion of optical drives.

If you require Aperture and FCP you then exclude all Windows and Linux-based PCs. Does it make a Mac a non-PC if they have no intention of running these apps or their Macs can't run these apps?

We can say this is what defines a PC but it's all arbitrary definitions that will slide from person to person and over time. Remember that the first personal computers didn't even have any internal storage.
Edited by SolipsismX - 8/2/12 at 12:32pm

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