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Apple has shown interest in creating an iPad Smart Cover that would act as a secondary touchscreen display for the device, showing simple status messages or even acting as a full-fledged touch keyboard.

The details were unveiled in a new patent application published on Thursday by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, and discovered by AppleInsider. The filing, entitled "Cover Attachment with Flexible Display," shows an iPad Smart Cover that would feature a MagSafe-like magnetic connection to the iPad, sharing data that would be shown on the external display.

Apple's filing presents a number of unique ideas how a touch-capable Smart Cover display could add new functionality to the iPad. In the most basic example, the cover shows an additional row of icons on the home screen, while a more complex concept shows movie playback controls at a user's fingertips on the rear of the device while in use.

Another example shows the Smart Cover acting as a touch keyboard for the iPad, a feature that would be very similar to Microsoft's "Touch Cover" keyboard for its forthcoming Windows 8 Surface tablets.

But Apple's Smart Cover display would go many steps further, and could allow even more versatile functionality. One example in the application shows a user wielding a stylus to draw an Apple on the secondary display.

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Patent 2


In another example, the secondary display is on the outside of the iPad when the Smart Cover is closed. There, the user is presented with system-saved reminders such as daily appointments, but the touchscreen functionality would also allow users to write in new reminders without the need to open the Smart Cover.

Patent 3


The concept, made public this week by the USPTO, was first filed by Apple in August of 2011. It is credited to Fletcher R. Rothkopf.
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Already the losers at Engadget are saying Apple copied MS. But this patent was filed back in August of 2011, so clearly this is something Apple has been thinking about for a while. Plus who knows what will ever become of it? Has MS filed for a patent on their touch cover?
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I guess they patent every idea they come up... This seems overcomplicated to me and not very "Apple-like".

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Already the losers at Engadget are saying Apple copied MS. But this patent was filed back in August of 2011, so clearly this is something Apple has been thinking about for a while. Plus who knows what will ever become of it? Has MS filed for a patent on their touch cover?

"Back in August of 2011" isn't that long ago. :)

 

For years Apple has been aggressive about applying for patents on everything they work on. It doesn't mean it's anything they actually planned to create, or even spent much time on investigating. They're covering all bases. It's just the way Apple does things, and it's helped them immensely. Competitors were way too slow in taking note of it, tho I think they've all received the memos now on the virtues of applying for patent protection on every little improvement or creation they think might be as least minimally unique.


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And.....cue the fanboys who try to say this is not stealing MSFT ideas. Listen, I love Apple as much as anyone, but lets call a spade a spade here, they got beat to the punch.
This is just a patent application, we have no idea if the patent will ever be approved and if it is if Apple will ever do anything with it. Also if MS already has something like this patented would this application even get approved?
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"Back in August of 2011" isn't that long ago. 1smile.gif

It was almost a whole year ago.

Did we see the Surface almost a whole year ago?

Hell, have we seen the Surface yet? ;-)
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"Back in August of 2011" isn't that long ago. 1smile.gif
No but it's hard to copy something that doesn't exist. And if MS already has a patent on something like this would this patent application even be approved?
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It was almost a whole year ago.
Did we see the Surface almost a whole year ago?
Hell, have we seen the Surface yet? ;-)

+1.  What an idiotic statement to make.  So, yes, Apple copied MS.  But because Apple has the ability to time travel, they can take the ideas from companies like MS today and go back in time, write a patent application and then be credited for something they didn't create.  And of course they didn't actually create the time machine, but just stole the idea from some other company (probably Samsung) in the future and we just don't realize that's the case now.

 

Stupid stupid Apple.  If only they'd spend some of their money creating their own ideas and products...

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No but it's hard to copy something that doesn't exist. And if MS already has a patent on something like this would this patent application even be approved?

There's a high percentage of patents that get approved but later found to be invalid in whole or part. According to various studies, upwards of half of all patents are found invalid in some way once they're litigated. One study I read today goes so far as to claim 75% are trimmed once challenged. Simply because a patent was granted doesn't mean that it will be held valid if challenged. It's far easier and faster (and pays more?) for a patent examiner to approve a patent than deny one. 

 

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120717/00232219721/patent-office-releases-rules-to-let-third-parties-provide-documents-to-help-reject-patent-applications.shtml


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The perfect Smart Cover for me, should have a secondary E-ink display (reading books-reports, browsing outside etc...) I have no idea why some company didn't invented something like that already...:(

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Looks like this patent is for a flexible touch panel/screen. So keyboard would be one of many uses for it. I'm not sure how you'd display app icons or draw on MS's touch cover.
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Once again Apple is copying another companies products.  Did Microsoft unveil a dual screen tablet not too long ago?  Sure this is a cover, but it still follows the same concept of two screens to use in concert and transfer data between screens.  That is what MS product did.  Just saying Apple takes inspiration and doesn't get sued, but others take inspiration from Apple and they get sued.

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And.....cue the fanboys who try to say this is not stealing MSFT ideas. Listen, I love Apple as much as anyone, but lets call a spade a spade here, they got beat to the punch.

okay to feed the troll... This is patent application so this means the idea probably predates anything MS came up with since we all know MS did not even begin the copy machine until the ipad came out. Remember the filing date Aug 2011 is not the invention or idea date that could be a year or more back in time. Patent Applications take time to put together. At least this one was granted fairly quickly.

 

Actually I would said this is the idea that MS was hoping for but they came up with a single function keyboard verse a multi-use add on like this.

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what is this obsession with physical keyboards??? I hope they don't do it!

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Once again Apple is copying another companies products.  Did Microsoft unveil a dual screen tablet not too long ago?  Sure this is a cover, but it still follows the same concept of two screens to use in concert and transfer data between screens.  That is what MS product did.  Just saying Apple takes inspiration and doesn't get sued, but others take inspiration from Apple and they get sued.
Try again troll. MS had a concept called Courier which would have been a dual screen tablet. But it was complete vaporware. And the project was killed, presumably to focus on Windows 8 and what would become the Surface. This patent shows a flexible screen which can fold back to be a stand (ala the smart cover today).
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what is this obsession with physical keyboards??? I hope they don't do it!
MS touch cover is a physical keyboard. I think this would be touch screen?
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Why not just make a Macbook AirTouch, or a Macbook ProTouch? Hey, there's a new product line for Apple - the AirTouch. Dual screen tablets have been dead in the water for a long time. But then again, this is Apple - if anyone can make it work, they can.

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what is this obsession with physical keyboards??? I hope they don't do it!


Agreed, and I do not think they will. One of the niece things with the iPad is that you can use it on your knees. If you want to achieve this with an iPad+secondary display, it must not be flexible, and you will end up ... Reinventing the laptop. I do not see the interest...
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Just saying Apple takes inspiration and doesn't get sued, but others take inspiration from Apple and they get sued.

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very un-Apple.  Doubt this will ever become an actual product.  Too complicated.

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Why not just make a Macbook AirTouch, or a Macbook ProTouch? Hey, there's a new product line for Apple - the AirTouch. Dual screen tablets have been dead in the water for a long time. But then again, this is Apple - if anyone can make it work, they can.

I think there is a space for a tablet with a keyboard. There are a lot of people who use their tablets for email or memos and the lack of a physical keyboard can be a problem. However, instead of a MacBook Air Touch, I would go the other way. Don't add touch to a laptop, add a keyboard to the tablet. Something like an iPad Pro - an iPad with keyboard that folds out of the way so it can be used as a tablet, but with a keyboard that's available for when you have to type more than a few words.
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And.....cue the fanboys who try to say this is not stealing MSFT ideas. Listen, I love Apple as much as anyone, but lets call a spade a spade here, they got beat to the punch.

Lol,

Apple did good copying them 10 months before they announces it. Seems a lot more likely that MS has a mole in the patent office,


Please remind which cover MS made with a display again?
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I read somewhere that the smart cover brings in almost $1B annually in revenue for Apple. And to think it allegedly came about because Steve saw a magazine article on magnets, dropped it off on Jony Ive's desk and 'let's do something with magnets'.
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I think there is a space for a tablet with a keyboard. There are a lot of people who use their tablets for email or memos and the lack of a physical keyboard can be a problem. However, instead of a MacBook Air Touch, I would go the other way. Don't add touch to a laptop, add a keyboard to the tablet. Something like an iPad Pro - an iPad with keyboard that folds out of the way so it can be used as a tablet, but with a keyboard that's available for when you have to type more than a few words.
So basically MS's touch cover.
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I thought the same thing!  Nice to know I wasn't the only one.  http://q10a1.blogspot.com/2012/06/crazy-ipad-stuff.html

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Try again troll. MS had a concept called Courier which would have been a dual screen tablet. But it was complete vaporware. And the project was killed, presumably to focus on Windows 8 and what would become the Surface. This patent shows a flexible screen which can fold back to be a stand (ala the smart cover today).


Not sure MS patented the courier concept anyway. Can't find it anywhere. They knew they would never build it.
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The perfect Smart Cover for me, should have a secondary E-ink display (reading books-reports, browsing outside etc...) I have no idea why some company didn't invented something like that already...:(

fully agree and glad I'm not alone - sorry for repost but haven't used the new comments system yet and realized I replied to the main post rather than this comment.

 

http://q10a1.blogspot.com/2012/06/crazy-ipad-stuff.html

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Lol,
Apple did good copying them 10 months before they announces it. Seems a lot more likely that MS has a mole in the patent office,
Please remind which cover MS made with a display again?

 

Yeah!

 

It is so obvious that Apple explored many potentials before arriving at the announced iPad. People are just SO stupid not to figure it out, even from a company that - as Jobs put it - get rid of the unNecessary stuff ( which now wisely they patent ). When i saw the Microsoft surface keyboard i though Apple did that already, it is so obvious.

The end design is always a result of various failures, and hardly the 3rd or 4th take.

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MS touch cover is a physical keyboard. I think this would be touch screen?

surface was presented with two different screens.  one was a touch screen (non traveling buttons) and the other was a more traditional keyboard (buttons have travel).

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My guess is : Apple explored the idea, and found out it was not a good one. Because of this, it decided not to implement it, but to patent it.

Competitors implementing this idea will have to carry TWO burdens :

The one of having a product implementing an inadequate feature
the one of having to pay royalties to Apple for it

Brilliant ...
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Once again Apple is copying another companies products.  Did Microsoft unveil a dual screen tablet not too long ago?  Sure this is a cover, but it still follows the same concept of two screens to use in concert and transfer data between screens.  That is what MS product did.  Just saying Apple takes inspiration and doesn't get sued, but others take inspiration from Apple and they get sued.


Yes, MS recently did. Read the article, Apple applied for this patent in August 2011 well before MS announced Surface. So how can you accuse Apple of copying MS?

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So basically MS's touch cover.

Yes. I've stated before that I thought Microsoft's touch cover had some potential.

Now, of course, I don't want to give the impression that all touch covers would be equivalent. Microsoft's version might be good or it might be bad and I won't know until I see one. Even if it's good, it's possible that Apple could make one that's better. Or maybe not. But I think there IS a place for a tablet with a connected keyboard.
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So basically MS's touch cover.

 

Apple obviously tried that before, anyOne with a brain would have though that. Apple just did not implement it.

As this patent proves.

Discussion on this is just futile.

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And.....cue the fanboys who try to say this is not stealing MSFT ideas. Listen, I love Apple as much as anyone, but lets call a spade a spade here, they got beat to the punch.


and Logitech has been selling the cover/keyboard for the ipad since 2011. Are you going to say Microsoft copied Logitech now? 


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Yes. I've stated before that I thought Microsoft's touch cover had some potential.
Now, of course, I don't want to give the impression that all touch covers would be equivalent. Microsoft's version might be good or it might be bad and I won't know until I see one. Even if it's good, it's possible that Apple could make one that's better. Or maybe not. But I think there IS a place for a tablet with a connected keyboard.


If I remember well, the separate physical keyboard was an option fot iPad 1 (I am not sure it still is, as it obviously had very little success).
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/224698/apple_develops_eink_hybrid_display.html I really hope something like that will come in next or over-next generation. And not only for iPads, iPhone, but also generaly in every display, bc to sit 10 hours at work in front of the PC, laptop and then use iPad is killing my eyes! :(

 

Just image reading long PDFs at your laptop e-ink screen. It would be amazing!:)

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and Logitech has been selling the cover/keyboard for the ipad since 2011. Are you going to say Microsoft copied Logitech now?  BTW the patent is for a virtual keyboard, not a physical one...

 

 

Indeed. A thing Apple always said is against their view of the future - a physical keyboard for the iPad.

I never understand WHY people who buy Apple product are called fanBoys ( if what they buy is almost always better comparatively with what the concurrence sell, or perhaps those who buys from Apple always make a conscience effort contrary to those who choose to buy from others.  ) ?

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Totally brilliant.

 

First of all, the basic form was introduced with a simple smart cover, still the best accessory for an iPad by a long shot. Secondly, they expand on this idea with a flexible touch screen to act as a companion. No doubt this is what Sharp can offer in the near future. This device makes the surface keyboard idea look like a caveman's club. If the patent was filed last year, then the R&D started probably 2 years before that. The surface keyboard and this have almost nothing in common, it's not a copy, it's an original extension of the smart cover. 

 

 
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If I remember well, the separate physical keyboard was an option fot iPad 1 (I am not sure it still is, as it obviously had very little success).

If I ever had to travel with just my iPad rather than with both iPad and MBP I'd have to take an external keyboard. Yes I can use the virtual one but for me it is almost unusable as my finger tips as a guitarist seem to lack sufficient living tissue to work! A lot of finger taps fail to work for me with my left hand. Not complaining, it's my fault for having odd finger tips on my left hand but I can't be the only one ... Or am I?
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OK, let's get this straight.

 

The patent was filed about a year ago.

The MS Surface isn't even out yet.

People are saying the new patent is copying MS Surface's cover,

 

but didn't Microsoft copy Apple's smart cover in the first place?

 

If you believe Microsoft did not copy Apple's smart cover, I pray for you.

And if you believe Apple's patent copied MS's "Intelligent cover," think carefully to see who actually copied who's.

 

Why can't companies be creative these days. it's all stealing, copying and whatnot. I'm not saying Apple doesn't copy, but to be honest, this one is pretty much a cut deal.

 

Apple made the smart cover. They file an improved version as a patent a whole year before the MS Surface even came out. MS Surface copies the smart cover.

 

Hmm?

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