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The current IOS app is Apple's, powered by Google. The updated Apple map app will be powered by others. Google is being removed as a data provider

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post #122 of 146

GIven the huge marketshare of the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch, Google will definitely take a hit from this move by Apple. It will shut down one of their big sources of traffic/revenue, and one that is constantly expanding as people use more and more smartphones and tablets.

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Assuming they remove and get a replacement for Google in Siri searches.

 

Yeah, maps are one piece, getting people to think of hitting Siri rather than Google is another, and while Siri already uses other sources as well it would certainly have to stop defaulting to 'Do you want to search Google?' as the 'I have no idea what you just asked' query.

 

But it certainly seems like there's a fair chance things will move that way in the next couple of years. Google really stuck a knife in Apple's back, and I'd be shocked if Apple isn't looking for just about any path to remove Google from its devices as a preset - whether out of sense of betrayal (as it seemed Jobs had) and/or just in order not to have dependencies on what is now their major mobile OS competitor! Even for people who fall into the 'Google didn't do anything wrong or copy anything at all!' camp, it should make perfect sense that Apple wouldn't want to depend on the kindness of the company that makes Android to keep supplying viable mapping / search / etc. options. Google is in a position to get a competitive advantage for their own platform by withholding or delaying iOS features while simultaneously generating revenue from Apple's own customer base. Apple would be incredibly stupid to leave that as the status quo, and I don't get the sense that the leaders there are that shortsighted.

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Google is in a position to get a competitive advantage for their own platform by withholding or delaying iOS features while simultaneously generating revenue from Apple's own customer base. Apple would be incredibly stupid to leave that as the status quo....

Yes, I can definitely see Apple wanting to change this around and shut off Google from generating revenue from iOS users. Google's Android is a direct threat to iOS and Google partners with companies like Samsung among others to manufacture devices that directly compete with the iPhone/iPad and also create a better version of their apps for Android (which is only natural). Apple would be "feeding the monster" as it were by allowing Google to have the default maps app and search engine on iOS as their business model benefits directly and they generate revenue from those things.

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So when you try to do a web search on iOS 6, you won't be able to use Google? Is iOS6 automatically going to block AdSense and associated website ads? Google was and still is primarily a search engine and ad-based service; everyone uses Google for searching and if you start auto-blocking AdSense, guess what websites do? They start auto-blocking your device. Yes, Apple is eliminating Google as a mapping solution on iOS, yes it'll hurt Google, but it's not going to wipe them off the map. Find me a better search engine.

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What's more, their turn-by-turn navigation will really have to be steller as well. Basic directions isn't good enough, it needs to have traffic camera alerts, speed limit notification, etc.

Turn by turn navigation is too hyped and I also wonder how many will actually use it.

The wrong destinations directed by turn by turn navigation are the stuff of legends.
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Turn by turn navigation is too hyped and I also wonder how many will actually use it.
The wrong destinations directed by turn by turn navigation are the stuff of legends.

No way! I love my TomTom. It's a tool like anything else. I love Wikipedia but I don't assume the info it proffers is absolutely factual. Tools are suppose to make your life easier but that doesn't mean one should stop critically when using them.

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You're singlehandedly undermining their entire business operation.  You keep at it, because the day google starts logging "John B"'s location is the day they become a global monopoly super power

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+1...oops... that's Google's... whatever.

Funny how science fiction, movies and TV shows at some point in time, become reality rather than a "spacey vision" from an author or script writer.

Every time this location and tracking business by Google comes up, I think of Terminator and John Connor. While the complete story-line is fiction, the underlying premise is not.... and the technology is here right now and being expanded.

At what point in time, does the data fall into the hands of an unsavory government, for example one that is trying to "secure it's borders against terrorism" and creates an agency and laws to help them in that "cause"? Possibly "nationalizing" a major information database to achieve the results faster.

And at that time, what additional and unconstitutional freedoms would "the people" give up, to be tracked, accounted for, searched, and their personal data accumulated to be proven innocent from subversive behavior?

Nah! Never gonna happen... I'm just trippin' on the heat wave here! I'm just happy my real name isn't John Connor (Emoticon: Sunglasses- Smoking-Therapeutic-Substance)
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post #129 of 146
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Turn by turn navigation is too hyped and I also wonder how many will actually use it.
The wrong destinations directed by turn by turn navigation are the stuff of legends.

"too hyped"? What does that mean? Would you say sex is "too hyped"? Maybe it's connected with the next:

 

"how many will actually use it"? Around these parts, practically everybody does (use a navi, I mean lol.gif), whether car-installed, a dedicated device, or on a smartphone. Give somebody your address, and as soon as you start to give directions, 9 out of 10 times they'll say "don't bother, I've got a navi." Use of a navi has 2 curious negative side-effects. People are using real maps less and less, relying instead on the turn-by-turn pictures and directions on their devices, which is almost never set to a geographic overview for very long, if at all. People successfully drive from A to B without really knowing how they got there, or what's along the way (or even where they are!). Example: using a navi to get from Vienna to Paris, you could easily miss the fact that you're travelling part of the way along the Danube, or that Salzburg is close to your route, etc. The other problem with using navis is that you actually have difficulty learning the route yourself, as if your brain had taken a break and let the navi take over. It's a little like airline pilots, who use so much automated equipment, forgetting how to really fly by themselves. Distressing.

 

 

"The wrong destinations directed by turn by turn navigation are the stuff of legends." The problem may lie more with legends than with navis. I've been using TomToms, both as a dedicated device and on my iPhone for years, all over Europe and North America, and have very rarely been mis-directed. It has happened a few times, though, and is really frustrating, but that problem is due to my own dumbed-downness, due to the problem described above. C'mon, if these things were so notoriously bad, no one would be using them, and they'd go the way of the Edsel. Fact is, navis, any of them, are head and shoulders better than Google Maps for navigation.

 

My own bottom line: TomToms are very good, useful, and reliable. If they've partnered with Apple, and Apple adds its own modifications, Apple's navigation is likely to be fantastic, and will become a must-have.

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Those TeleAtlas cars aren't doing "streetview" work. They're simply to make mapping and routing more accurate by making note of actual intersections and/or roadway details including signs and any other road markings. They have no plans for any publicly available "Streetview" similar to Google.

 

http://www.fonstuinstra.net/?p=1783

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/29/tomtom-working-on-its-own-street-view-like-service/

 

Yes, TomTom has said they do not have a streetview service today and no public plans to offer such.  But they have the raw data required, Apple has deep pockets and a deep penchant for secrecy.

 

Do you seriously believe that Teleatlas is NOT going to offer streetview when it is ready when NavTeq will?

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http://www.fonstuinstra.net/?p=1783

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/29/tomtom-working-on-its-own-street-view-like-service/

 

Yes, TomTom has said they do not have a streetview service today and no public plans to offer such.  But they have the raw data required, Apple has deep pockets and a deep penchant for secrecy.

 

Do you seriously believe that Teleatlas is NOT going to offer streetview when it is ready when NavTeq will?

Yes, I seriously believe TomTom won't offer streetview. And no they do not have the raw data required. They have some particular roadways driven with their mapping vans, but they don't have very many vans in the first place. I believe there's only about 20 covering all of Europe, hardly enough to drive every regional roadway in it's entirety, much less local roads. That handful of TeleAtlas vans are instead dispatched to survey those areas with the most reported changes or errors, The TeleAtlas planned surveys also consider the time of year. You don't want to be checking a new highway in Finland in the middle of a snowstorm in the dead of winter. ;)

 

Add in the significant staff cutbacks at TeleAtlas North American offices in New Hampshire and Tomtom doesn't have the people nor resources to do a streetview project IMHO. They're a shell of what they were 5 years ago.

 

Apple on the other hand has an abundance of resources, but why would they be interested in doing a streetview-like project? Their mapping is only going to be used on Apple devices. Unless Apple is planning a major focus on targeted advertising as a significant revenue stream, which means aggressive tracking of their users travels and online searches, I don't see them putting the emphasis on mapping that Google does.


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post #132 of 146

The loss of Google maps will stop me upgrading to iOS6 until I am really sure the quality of data I used with Google is still there.

 

I do use walking directions.

I use public transport directions.

I see that maps from Apple posted in the article lack footpaths, that were shown on the Google map.

I also use satellite images sometimes to clarify what I'm looking at.

 

I don't care about the Spiderman view, I just want good data, in all countries and Google has provided lots of it.

I can see how Apple and friends can work on features, but that body of raw data can't be just coded in.


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post #133 of 146

So besides eliminating Google map, are they eliminating the Google search engine which is on iOS 5 Safari now and use the crappy Yahoo which has too many information on their search engine page?

I just tested Yahoo Search Engine page.........one word......CRAP!

 

What other search engine is better than Google at the moment folks? Please tell me........

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So besides eliminating Google map, are they eliminating the Google search engine which is on iOS 5 Safari now and use the crappy Yahoo which has too many information on their search engine page?

I have absolutely no idea how you cam to that conclusion.

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post #135 of 146
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Apple on the other hand has an abundance of resources, but why would they be interested in doing a streetview-like project? Their mapping is only going to be used on Apple devices. Unless Apple is planning a major focus on targeted advertising as a significant revenue stream, which means aggressive tracking of their users travels and online searches, I don't see them putting the emphasis on mapping that Google does.

 

Because it's actually useful in finding your actual destination?

 

Yeah, they could lose interest in mapping and not bother but it's a significant lack.  If they can't license from NavTeq or Google then TomTom has a viable economic reason to collect and sell to Apple.  Given that they started using the higher mast 360 camera I believe they have a good amount of usable street view imagery but probably not large enough for Apple to make a launch feature.

 

It depends on whether or not MS/Nokia is willing to collaborate with Apple on this.  Even if they do Apple is dependent on their good will in negotiating how long this collaboration will last.  Mapping is important to the platform, enough for the current non-trivial level of investment.  Building a second class mapping service is like building Bing.  

 

So either Apple will invest the amount to do so or drop it like Ping.  Given it's a core service I think they have no choice and they already made the choice not to partner with Google and choose not to or were unable to partner with MS.

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Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
So besides eliminating Google map, are they eliminating the Google search engine which is on iOS 5 Safari now and use the crappy Yahoo which has too many information on their search engine page?

 

There won't be any more updates to iOS 5. Google Maps will stick around there forever, as it will on all previous versions. Google, Yahoo!, and Bing are all accessible in Safari. Just change your preferences.


What other search engine is better than Google at the moment folks? Please tell me........

 

I've seen people mention DuckDuckGo, but I know nothing about it.

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This might be the stupidest thing I've read on AI, and that's saying a lot. You could apply your same argument to literally every single feature of iOS. We got by fine before smartphones, so who needs them?

 

 

Oh come on, it isn't THAT bad…  frankly, I got by without 'virtual maps', 'turn by turn navigation' and 'mobile phones' for the first 2/3 of my life… I was making MORE money before all that came along too...

 

He didn't say "Who needs 'em"… but his main premise (which I think you missed) is sound.

 

Here's to the EXPLORERS, willing to blaze new trails where there are no maps… to boldly go where no… yeah, them.

 

 

If the Sun "burped" tomorrow, and knocked out our internet and phone services, we'd crash and burn… for a week, maybe a month… then we'd pick up, dust off and make do. 

 

You might even find life is pretty good when you remove the "ball and chain" of technology sometimes...

 

But then again, other than holidays, you couldn't take my car navigation away if you paid me! It WILL take a major solar event before I give that up :)))

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Wipe off the map was a punny headline. I think you missed the pun 1smile.gif

 

maybe not, but he definitely missed the punt of the headline...

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So besides eliminating Google map, are they eliminating the Google search engine which is on iOS 5 Safari now and use the crappy Yahoo which has too many information on their search engine page?

I just tested Yahoo Search Engine page.........one word......CRAP!

 

What other search engine is better than Google at the moment folks? Please tell me........

 

That's a pretty huge supposition right there. It might be better not to extrapolate so far into the realm of "fantasy"… especially if you find the result upsetting. What's the point of that?

 

Besides, "Apple is switching to a different source for their maps data", is not quite the same as "Apple is ditching Google whole cloth, leaving their users with nothing but second rate web services…"

 

Doesn't sound very Apple-esque, now does it...

 

So you can breathe… :)

 

Besides, there's nothing to prevent you using the Google Search app, or maps.google.com using the Safari.app ...

 

 

peace.

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I agree with you. I remember how Google Chrome was the #1 app for a while too, but this is even more extreme. I don't feel like Apple will let the old app stay on in the app store though... But there is a possibility (depending on how much control Apple has over actual map detail and how much control they give to Tom Tom and the like) that in iOS 7 Apple will improve map features and detail.

 

The old [current] iOS maps app is an Apple app -- it just uses Google data and images.

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If street view is that important and Google wont license maybe Navteq (Nokia) will or perhaps they can get it via Bing Maps or Yahoo.

 

Bing/Yahoo may insist that they become the default search engine though.  Or Apple can offer $12B to Nokia for Navteq and Nokia will make a few billion off the sale (paid $8.1B) and double their cash on hand...which if they don't want to sell themselves to MS is a decent deal.

 

Here's the streetside schedule:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/maps/en-GB/streetside-schedule.aspx

 

If they can license the street slide implementation from MS it'll actually be far more usable than Street View:

 

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/kopf/street_slide/

 

Two years old and still pretty cool.  I wonder if it's in Bing Maps yet.  Pretty danged stupid if it isn't.  Works on the iPhone...heh.

 

What's with the trolls?  Apple maps have to do x, y and z or you wont update to iOS 6?  Lack of streetview will make folks move to Android?  That's pretty damn transparent.

 

 

Wow!  Street Slide is definitely superior to Google Street View!  Thanks for the post!

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Apple hopes it can help push Google quite literally off the map.
 

 

I had to laugh.

They hope to literally push Google off the map.

 

So... somewhere there is a map. Lets say it's a paper map, because it's hard to stand on a phone. Google is literally on it... not an icon representing Google, but Google themselves. He didn't say 'figuratively'.

 

And Apple wants to push them off it.

 

Like... lets say Google was a big truck, because it's hard to have a building standing on a map. The google truck rolls over the map, and Apple is a ... car... trying to push Google off. But Google isn't a truck... maybe a company is really all its people... so all of Google's staff is literally standing on a map, and all of Apple's people are literally pushing them off the map. Maybe that works... :)

 

And I wonder what the map is of. Maps are a representation of something, so it sounds like it's a map of the maps apps perhaps.

 

I think Daniel didn't want us to take the word 'literally' quite literally.

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The problem may lie more with legends than with navis. I've been using TomToms, both as a dedicated device and on my iPhone for years, all over Europe and North America, and have very rarely been mis-directed. It has happened a few times, though, and is really frustrating, but that problem is due to my own dumbed-downness, due to the problem described above. C'mon, if these things were so notoriously bad, no one would be using them, and they'd go the way of the Edsel. Fact is, navis, any of them, are head and shoulders better than Google Maps for navigation.

I've used several different navigation devices and apps, and I've yet to find one that doesn't give questionable instructions at least 25% of the time. Flat out wrong ones come up about 10% of the time in my experience. The most common mistake I see is giving a location on the wrong side of a river, far from a convenient crossing point. Less common, but still happens often enough that I've seen it a few times, is the GPS meticulously directing you to a location that is several miles away from your actual destination.
post #144 of 146

It is just replacing the default app, but that doesn't mean that Google will be gone for good. people just won't be able to use the services by default.

There will be pros and cons with each company's interpretation of what is important in mapping. The best part here is we will see a faster development in mapping as one company attempts to one-up each other

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Originally Posted by Pooch View Post

two words: street view. walking directions.


Add Transit Directions to that list...

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Think of how people managed in the thousands of years before we had these things.

 

If you were in 16th century Spain you would have been one of the one's calling Columbus crazy for wanting to go where there were no maps.

 

Here's to the crazy ones and boo to the lazy ones.

 

I navigate best with a paper map and a compass personally although I'm quite happy exploring sans map, I wouldn't ever want to explain to a mountain rescue team that "they got by without maps thousands of years before we had these things" to justify why they had been called out to rescue me from a national park. 

 

Using your logic we shouldn't use any technology that helps us?   I'm not saying I can't live without Street View, I'm not saying others can't live without StreetView; I'm saying it's a really valuable time-saving feature that I have available to me now and don't want to lose for the sake of being able to "flyover" some US cities I've never been to.   

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