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I understand losing walking directions and transit directions is a problem, probably because I use them myself, but I don't get the appeal of Street View. What am I missing here? What do people use it for?

To see what places look like...

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Originally Posted by TimUSCA View Post

They'll release their own app so you won't have to miss it.

 

Except there are some of us that are morally opposed to using Google's products.  

 

I'm okay with using their stuff licensed through a third party to strip out all the offending material but I won't use Google anything, "straight."  

post #43 of 146
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Originally Posted by Pooch View Post

two words: street view. walking directions.

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Originally Posted by Freshmaker View Post

Agreed, although I don't see them having traffic camera or speed limit info.  That might be a bit much to ask.  Looks like I just might be staying on iOS 5.  Apple makes wonderful operating systems, but a lot of their apps are subpar (Mail, Siri).  Keeping my expectations pretty low for this.

How can you say Siri is subpar? I also don't agree mail is subpar.
post #44 of 146
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Originally Posted by macosxp View Post

Why is it that on the Google Map, you can see a small island above the Lands End pin, but it's not displayed on the Apple map? And why is it that the small islands east of Point Lobos Avenue are simply displayed as a large triangle on the Apple maps? And why is it that the Presido Golf Course and Clubhouse text is almost unreadable on the Apple maps?
Also ask why Google maps labels the equestrian stadium as the Golden Gate Park golf course, and doesn't even label the Lincoln Park golf course at all. People talk about Google maps like they are perfect, but I've been misdirected by them on several occasions, sometimes the things they mislabeled were off by miles. I'm not saying Apple will be perfect, but stop talking about Google maps as if they always get it right.

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What will stop Google from adopting the Apple API if Apple lets others do it for free? Now Google needs to make its map operation even better in order to entice people on iOS devices to continue using Google Maps.

 

For Apple this is really just one step away from having its own search engine. If iOS 7 comes out with its own search engine then that would be a gigantic revenue boost for Apple. What percentage of web searches are now done on mobile devices? A year or so ago it was at 39%. That must be higher now. If Apple went into the search engine business on iOS devices and had a good search engine, they could severely ding the income stream of Google. One quarter of Google's income could be taken in one fell swoop if the default search engine were from Apple. With all of the data centers Apple is creating is it just a matter of time before it happens?

post #46 of 146

I will just add Google Maps and toss the iOS maps app into my "Maps" folder along the other GPS apps I keep on my iDevices.  Bottom line is I use what works best and IF the native app does great, but I don't see it happening.  Now if Apple blocks all 3rd party developers from using any other mapping app within their apps other than iOS maps Google could very well sue Apple over it.  I know its Apples OS and they can do what they want, but they can't if they are creating a monopoly within their OS just like MS was accused of doing within their OS for IE.

 

Again its what app works best, and not an Apple App only argument.

post #47 of 146
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

No street view and far less detailed maps make Apple's effort a massive downgrade. If google release a dedicated maps app, I can see it being the no.1 downloaded free app until the end of time. This is apple arrogance at it's very worst, degrading the user experience purely out of hatred for a competitor. Once word gets out just how bad Apple's maps are, it may also drive android sales even further ahead.

I'm willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt for a little while (assuming they at least let Google Maps into the App store). I expect that this is Apple's first cut at mapping, and I expect them to put massive effort into catching up with / leapfrogging Google. There is also another benefit for iOS users (and maybe even Android users). Giving Google some competition in the mapping area is going to cause both Apple and Google to work hard at one-upping each other. This will benefit everyone (but especially iOS users where for whatever reason, Google's mapping offering has been pretty stale for a long time). For example, I bet that Google's stand-alone iOS app (assuming Apple lets it in the App store) will be much improved over what has been shipping with iOS (for example, I'm sure it will have turn by turn directions and maybe even the ability to store offline maps ... both of which have been on Android for a while).

post #48 of 146
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

 

No but Google made alternatives to Twitter, Facebook, web browsers and anything else that gets in their way of total domination of how people access anything web based which may bypass them.

Yeah but I'm talking about forcing out the competition.  I'm still unclear, because nobody knows for certain, whether the google maps app will be forced out in favor of the Apple app, and force customers to switch even if they don't want to.

 

For instance, Google comes with a default browser, but you can set any browser as the default browser.  If Apple makes ios6 come with their maps app by default, can someone make google maps default again?  If not, I don't see this as very smart on Apple's part at all.

post #49 of 146
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Originally Posted by macosxp View Post

Why is it that on the Google Map, you can see a small island above the Lands End pin, but it's not displayed on the Apple map? And why is it that the small islands east of Point Lobos Avenue are simply displayed as a large triangle on the Apple maps? And why is it that the Presido Golf Course and Clubhouse text is almost unreadable on the Apple maps?

 

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Why do the Google map search results litter the screen with their spammy Sponsored Links?

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post #50 of 146

I'm actually far more excited about what 3rd party developers will do with the API than I am about the Maps app itself.  I see losing transit times etc. as a big deal, but I hold out some hope that by making this more accessible to smart people to develop their own apps, we could end up with some really cool options that exceed what the current Maps offer in terms of transit directions.

 

 

I don't think Street View will make that much difference to me - I rarely use it these days, now the novelty has worn off.

 

What I am looking forwards to is the tight Yelp integration.  If they could integrate OpenTable nicely as well, that would blow the current option out of the water for my use.

post #51 of 146

Any chance of Apple Maps as an app on the Mac?  Because plenty of people, myself included, use Google Maps on PC.  Pretty redundant to look at Google Maps on PC, then have to look again on the iPhone. 

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Originally Posted by sleepy3 View Post

Hmm, 

 

Apple has a majority of mobile devices? 

http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/stellar-growth-sees-china-take-27-global-smart-phone-shipments-powered-domestic-vendors

Isn't that Android has a majority of mobile devices?

 

 

 

I believe the article is including tablets in that statement.

 

The iPad,iPod, & iPhone combined puts Apple ahead for "Mobile devices" I believe.

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Originally Posted by RaptorOO7 View Post
Now if Apple blocks all 3rd party developers from using any other mapping app within their apps other than iOS maps Google could very well sue Apple over it.

 

Not really, no.

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post #54 of 146
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Yeah but I'm talking about forcing out the competition.  I'm still unclear, because nobody knows for certain, whether the google maps app will be forced out in favor of the Apple app, and force customers to switch even if they don't want to.

 

For instance, Google comes with a default browser, but you can set any browser as the default browser.  If Apple makes ios6 come with their maps app by default, can someone make google maps default again?  If not, I don't see this as very smart on Apple's part at all.

 

If Google Maps are that important to you, don't upgrade to iOS 6.  Easy peasy.

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post #55 of 146
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Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post

I have trepidations about this.  Apple's track record in software only projects (outside of OS) is spotty.  If the goal is to displace Google, the outcome will not be great.  This is a fundamental utility of a mobile device and Apple needs to be dedicated and passionate about delivering a great experience, and not just a means to oust Google Maps.
 

 

I doubt ousting Google is a goal at all, just a nice side effect. Mobile devices are inherently concerned with location and mapping is one of our primary ways of understanding location. I suspect Apple's move to replace Google maps isn't about a competitor, it's about Apple's ability to enhance and better integrate the use of location inside IOS and in apps. Relying on Google maps leaves Apple dependent on what Google wants to do with mapping and when Google wants to do it.  Apple is very, very much concerned with controlling anything it considers core to its business and location and maps is definitely one of those things.

post #56 of 146

Sorry, a little OT, but I have an iphone 4, and I can't see how to get Google streetview in the standard Maps app.  Is there a secret gesture or something?

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GREAT news! I don't  want that EVIL BIG BROTHER Google in anything on my iPhone! Screw that evil company. They can go and steal other people's info for all I care.

post #58 of 146
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Originally Posted by TheSwordBearer View Post

I understand losing walking directions and transit directions is a problem, probably because I use them myself, but I don't get the appeal of Street View. What am I missing here? What do people use it for?


I'm currently away from home and have used street view at least 25 times today to see what restaurants look like so I know what to look for. (and to gauge if they are in a good area). I'll also use it for many other locations too.

I do this a lot. Several times a month. Losing street view on my phone is cutting me off from about 50% of mapping functionality. To say it's a critical feature would be an understatement.
post #59 of 146
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Does iBooks replace Kindle  completely?  I'm still a but unclear if Apple intends to reduce the customer's choice or simply add to it and make their own the default.  If someone doesn't want Apple's solution and is prevented from retaining how things are now, I don't see how what the guy said is false.

 

Also, is it good policy to simply view which apps are most successful and drive them out of the app store with their own version of things?  I wonder, if Google made a fart app that was the #1 sold app in the store, would Apple create one too?

 

Here is the statement I was replying to:-

 

 'Seems to pretty clearly violate the app store rule about doing the same thing 1st party apps do. "

 

So the relevance of your reply is???

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post #60 of 146
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Sorry, a little OT, but I have an iphone 4, and I can't see how to get Google streetview in the standard Maps app.  Is there a secret gesture or something?

Thank you! I'm baffled by all these comments about "losing" Street View. When did we ever have it??!

Now, transit and walking directions, on the other hand... grrr
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I'm currently away from home and have used street view at least 25 times today to see what restaurants look like so I know what to look for. (and to gauge if they are in a good area). I'll also use it for many other locations too.
I do this a lot. Several times a month. Losing street view on my phone is cutting me off from about 50% of mapping functionality. To say it's a critical feature would be an understatement.

God, life is becoming boring.

 

Whatever happened to discovering things as you go along?

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post #62 of 146
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Thank you! I'm baffled by all these comments about "losing" Street View. When did we ever have it??!
 

 

Touch a pin. On the left is a little man in an orange circle.  Touch there and if street view is available, you get it.

post #63 of 146
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Originally Posted by brianus View Post

Now, transit and walking directions, on the other hand... grrr

 

   Exactly.  That has saved my butt more than once.

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Originally Posted by felipur View Post

 

Touch a pin. On the left is a little man in an orange circle.  Touch there and if street view is available, you get it.

  Well slap me sideways and call me Marsha!  Who knew.  Guess I am going to miss it now I know its there...

post #65 of 146

Really, people missing walking directions, come on are people that lame you can not figure out how to walk down the street to get from point A to B. Honestly, I can not believe how lazy people have gotten. It is so bad that people no longer know how to read a map and find there own way. Of better yet know now house numbers work and our most large cities are laid out in a grid street numbers increase on one direct and decrease in the other. I hope those who use walking direction always have a full battery because you will be lost when it runs out.

post #66 of 146

One this is clear: Apple maps will not be as good as Google maps at first. This is a huge new project for them, and apart from just the obvious missing features like walking directions and street view, there's the quality issue. Google has been tweaking this for years, you can't expect Apple to step in and get it right immediately.

I also agree with some of the other comments here that mapping is not necessarily a passion for Apple, and things that aren't passions tend to rot, or get spotty support.

post #67 of 146

Its a map.

 

Give two weeks after release and no one will care in the slightest.

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post #68 of 146
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Thank you! I'm baffled by all these comments about "losing" Street View. When did we ever have it??!
Now, transit and walking directions, on the other hand... grrr

 

Click on the street view button on any pin, on any map.

On iOS devices it's even aware of the compass, and the street view will swivel around as you move your device around.  

post #69 of 146

Wish they could provide a choice like for the search..Google Maps or Apple Maps

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post #70 of 146
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I understand losing walking directions and transit directions is a problem, probably because I use them myself, but I don't get the appeal of Street View. What am I missing here? What do people use it for?

- house hunting...
- checking what a road junction I need to turn off looks like...
- checking out the look of the area when booking a holiday let...
- looking to see what a location truly looks like..
- knowing what a friends house looks like before I start travelling
- etc etc

Street View is what we as humans see, aerial view doesn't show the same level of detail and requires extra mental processing to turn into from the plan view to what we'll see. 'Id wager that as you aren't using it, that you're not a person who travels much or if you do it's the same locations.

I shalln't be upgrading to iOS 6 until there's a good reliable alternative to Apple's maps which offers Street View.
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Originally Posted by ronm88 View Post

Hopefully Apple continues to work on making their maps look better. Apple's maps in the US are decent, but in my opinion Google's maps are far better (in terms of readability and information provided). However, I was in Japan, and Apple's maps in Japan need a LOT of work. I'm not sure how other regions fare (being a European company, Tom-Tom maps are probably pretty good for Europe).

 

 

Hold on there, Buster.  Everything Apple does is to make the User Experience better.

 

Apple went to their own maps NOT to make money, but instead, to please their users.  Apple would NEVER do ANYTHING for profits - profits are a mere accidental by-product of producing the BEST USER EXPERIENCE.

 

So it simply CANNOT be true that Apple's maps are not as good as Google's.  Apple uses the BEST mapping available, because it loves each and every one of its users.

 

 

 

 

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Wish they could provide a choice like for the search..Google Maps or Apple Maps

 

That is not the Apple way. They do extensive research to know what you will like. No need to complicate things with choices.

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I don't see the point of mentioning that Apple provides updates OS and android phone makers don't always update to the latest version OS with regards to maps.

 

the Maps application on android can be updated independently of OS. The oldest supported is 2.2. You don't need to be on ICS or Jellybean to get the maps update they put out few weeks ago.

 

The only caveat is that is has to be device that is officially licensed. 

post #74 of 146
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What will stop Google from adopting the Apple API if Apple lets others do it for free? Now Google needs to make its map operation even better in order to entice people on iOS devices to continue using Google Maps.

 

For Apple this is really just one step away from having its own search engine. If iOS 7 comes out with its own search engine then that would be a gigantic revenue boost for Apple. What percentage of web searches are now done on mobile devices? A year or so ago it was at 39%. That must be higher now. If Apple went into the search engine business on iOS devices and had a good search engine, they could severely ding the income stream of Google. One quarter of Google's income could be taken in one fell swoop if the default search engine were from Apple. With all of the data centers Apple is creating is it just a matter of time before it happens?

 

Google wouldn't adopt Apple's map API as it would drive traffic away from their properties.  I also don't think Apple will ever create their own search engine as the only real upside to it is revenue and Apple doesn't care about revenue in and of itself.  

 

An interesting thought occurs to me (and I hope it occurs to Marissa Meyer as well), that it would certainly be in Apple's interest to form a close partnership with a "second line" search provider like Yahoo!. With a bit of sprucing and rebranding, and a lot of solid hooks into the rising iOS juggernaut, Yahoo! could topple Google from their top spot in search.  

 

Apple also has what Yahoo! needs. The only thing Yahoo! is sorely missing is any idea of taste, beauty, usability etc. which are all the things that Apple excels at.  Personally I'd love to see Marissa stick it to her old bosses.  

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Now if they'll block *doubleclick* *admob* *adword* *adsense* and *invitemedia* in the new iOS6 privacy feature, I'll be happier. Let me add Adblock and/or Ghostery and I'll be very happy.

Won't happen. If you want an ad-free experience, please continue to deprive revenue of the services you use on your the desktop. The iPhone and iPad are content devices first.

 

This change came about because of Google's conflict with Apple. Had Google simply kept Android as the RIM knockoff it was, this probably would have happened later.

 

For example. Which mapping product do I use on my Nokia phone that's as old as the first generation iPhone? Google... Google's the only one still making apps that work on Nokia's. Nokia's own mapping product ties to upsell you to do navigation where the google one does not. However, if I'm in the middle of nowhere, with no data service, I use the Nokia maps, because they're actually saved to the phone as they're downloaded.

 

On the iPad, the existing maps are not useable if there is no internet, and Siri likewise isn't useable. Last time I checked, the earth is mostly covered with water and mountains, not flat land. If you're out at sea, in an airplane, or mountain climibing, you're not going to get anything useful out of these services, and you're not going to pay 8 cents per 15 seconds to download using globalstar. But these are the minority of people, and the few that would care are seniors on a cruise.

post #76 of 146
The Apple imagery is certainly not as clear and instantly readable as that shown for Google.

Some will argue "that's detail" and I'll agree - the devil is in these details.

Personally I think that Apple should not preclude a Maps application from Google on iOS 6. although TOS might allow then to do so. Have both there and see how they do.
post #77 of 146
Harumff. The "seniors on a cruise" does not go down well.

Before traveling in Germany last Fall, I deliberately downloaded off-line maps to my iPad so I could navigate without needing a cell connection.

I guess we seniors have more foresight than the young'uns
post #78 of 146

I thought Apple's only really choice for a native turn-by-turn navigation maps app was to create their own. Google doesn't allow anyone else to my knowledge to create turn-by-turn nav using their proprietary maps and Google certainly wasn't going to allow the maps app on the iPhone to get nav. This was Apple's only choice to get native, free maps with nav on the iPhone.

 

Maybe if Google releases a Google Maps app in the App Store (which they'd be stupid not to), they'll put nav in it as well.

 

Navigation has been an embarrassing missing feature for the iPhone and it was about time Apple did something about it. Just because it happens to coincide with the iOS vs. Android competition (which it really doesn't because this battle has been going on since 2009 or earlier), doesn't mean Apple is trying to be anticompetitive.

 

What I think it truly interesting is the way Apple is approaching Maps. They are turning it into it's own mini app store essentially. Public APIs that can tie into custom third-party apps (read: personal map upgrades), that's what's really exciting and it encourages and promotes new markets, competition, and features! I don't think people really understand what protential this has. This could be the next big "App Store" revolution, and Apple is getting in on the ground floor (again!).

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post #79 of 146
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- house hunting...
- checking what a road junction I need to turn off looks like...
- checking out the look of the area when booking a holiday let...
- looking to see what a location truly looks like..
- knowing what a friends house looks like before I start travelling
- etc etc
Street View is what we as humans see, aerial view doesn't show the same level of detail and requires extra mental processing to turn into from the plan view to what we'll see. 'Id wager that as you aren't using it, that you're not a person who travels much or if you do it's the same locations.
I shalln't be upgrading to iOS 6 until there's a good reliable alternative to Apple's maps which offers Street View.

 

Think of how people managed in the thousands of years before we had these things.

 

If you were in 16th century Spain you would have been one of the one's calling Columbus crazy for wanting to go where there were no maps.

 

Here's to the crazy ones and boo to the lazy ones.

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I find Google Street View to be creepy. It just says stalker.
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