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A video purporting to examine the front panel of the upcoming iPhone 5 in comparison with the existing iPhone 4S details new differences in specifications, yet remains consistent with previous reports of a larger, taller display and a centered FaceTime camera.

The video, distributed by ETrade Supply details a new iPhone 5 screen part as having a Home button 0.3mm narrower (allowing for a shorter lower "chin") with room for a larger 4.06 inch display, thanks to a frame that is 13.6 mm taller but the same width.



The video notes that the new panel has higher light transmittance, a feature that should help the screen appear brighter without as much backlighting, potentially contributing to better battery life. It also indicates that the new screen is significantly more resistant to scratches.

The new panel's glass is also measures just .9 mm thick, compared to the 1.0mm thickness of the present iPhone 4S.





The thinner glass is consistent with a report by the Wall Street Journal that stated Apple will now be using a touchscreen sensor integrated into the device's LCD panel, an advance known as "in-cell technology."
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Aside from iPhone 5 and The New iPhone..

 

iPhone 4GS

GS for Good-sized Screen.

 

1st: iPhone
2nd: iPhone 3G

3rd: iPhone 3GS

4th: iPhone 4
5th: iPhone 4S
6th: iPhone 4GS

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I just love the finger condoms. IDK why they couldn't just put on normal latex gloves. 1biggrin.gif

 

 


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Aside from iPhone 5 and The New iPhone..

 

iPhone 4GS

GS for Good-sized Screen.

 

1st: iPhone
2nd: iPhone 3G

3rd: iPhone 3GS

4th: iPhone 4
5th: iPhone 4S
6th: iPhone 4GS

 

Or, following the lead of every other Apple product, including the iPad:

 

6th: (the new) iPhone

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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
…not 5 even though everyone else in the world understands exactly what 5 means… 

 

I'm certain they don't, given that they keep calling it "5". lol.gif

 

And how can you be more scratch resistant than 'fully'? I can't scratch my 1st gen's screen to save my life. 

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I was hoping for wider, not taller. I could easily fit a wider phone in my hand, but taller makes holding and clicking in one hand a bit more problematic. 

Ah well :\

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Hoping the new iPhone is more than just 0.1mm thinner than the 4S.
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new iPhone 5 screen part as having a Home button 0.3mm narrower (allowing for a shorter lower "chin") with room for a larger 4.06 inch display, thanks to a frame that is 13.6 mm taller but the same width.


I still hope it's a joke.
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Still waiting for some genius to actually measure the height of the thing as well as the thickness of the assembled parts.

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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post
Hoping the new iPhone is more than just 0.1mm thinner than the 4S.

 

So you don't want usable battery life?

 

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I still hope it's a joke.

 

So you don't want a bigger phone?

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I was hoping for wider, not taller. I could easily fit a wider phone in my hand, but taller makes holding and clicking in one hand a bit more problematic. 


Ah well 1hmm.gif

Holding the phone in one hand in portrait mode your thumb pivots from one side of the device. That means you get the length of the thumb horizontally and nearly 2x the length of the thumb vertically. I can easily touch the ear piece of my iPhone when holding in one hand than I can move farther out. But making it wider also causes other issues because the far upper and lower corners on the opposite ends of the thumb's pivot are dead zones. This isn't helped with a taller device but it's impact is less than making the phone wider.

It's also brilliant that all the rumours are using the same width and pixel density so that al current apps will still be represented pixel-for-pixel on the device. They could do this with a wider display, too, so long as they keep the PPI the same but centering left and right seems less pleasing than centering top to bottom or using the top for notifications.

Other benefits are bringing it 1 pixel away from being 16:9 aspect ratio for videos without losing any of the usability of the 3:2 design, and making the device only a little longer despite making the display many millimeters longer in comparison.

I am certainly excited for the rumours we've seen and hope they are all true.

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post #12 of 52

When the next iPhone looks like a Star-Trek-Next-Generation-Uniform-Communicator-Pin then give me a call.  Until then, this is just another in what is becoming a long line of smart phones that are getting as boring as the old flip phones became.

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Still waiting for some genius to actually measure the height of the thing as well as the thickness of the assembled parts.

Yeah because as of now even with all the supposed technology going into this thing it looks as thick as the 4 which I believe Apple could do better than that.
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I bet you the reality of owning one proves it's the exact same glass.

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So you don't want usable battery life?


So you don't want a bigger phone?

Thinner display tech + a more energy efficient display and processor should = a thinner phone that at least matched the 4S's battery life.

Personally hoping for at least one aspect of the hardware design to wow people such as its overall thinness.
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I don't need thinner, I want more battery.

 

More screen? Fine with me.

 

And LTE ftw.

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It also indicates that the new screen is significantly more resistant to scratches.
 

 

Great.  But I sure hope the oleophobic coating last longer than it did on my ancient iPhone 4.

It's pretty much worn off after 2+ years of daily use.  :-(

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Yeah because as of now even with all the supposed technology going into this thing it looks as thick as the 4 which I believe Apple could do better than that.

 

Yeah, I know it's stupid but I want to believe that it's even a millimetre thinner. :-)

 

I have a practical reason for wanting to know the height of the thing though as I really want to know if it's likely to turn sideways in my pocket the way all the previous iPhones did.  Of course I will buy it anyway but still. 

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Waiting for the OCD crowd to explain to us yet again why it is the iPhone 6 and not 5 even though everyone else in the world understands exactly what 5 means and Apple will likely just call it the new iPhone as they did with the iPad. (Even though the public calls it the iPad 3)

 

Who knows if this rumor is true or a misinformation leak. For the sake of discussion I will assume it is true for now. I think the longer screen is better than the current size on the 4S but it really is not a big enough difference to really notice. If you want to go larger, why not at least go to 4.3" and make it wider as well.  That seems to be a happy medium for people wanting a large screen vs. people complaining about pocketability and one handed use.  Unless you are a dwarf that wears skinny jeans you would have no problem putting a 4.3" iPhone in your pocket. 

So accurately noting that this is the 6th, not 5th iPhone is 'OCD'?

In any event, it will simply be called 'The New iPhone', so its a moot point. No more numbers.

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Thinner display tech + a more energy efficient display and processor should = a thinner phone that at least matched the 4S's battery life.
Personally hoping for at least one aspect of the hardware design to wow people such as its overall thinness.

But add in energy-hungry LTE...

 

I also would prefer more battery life. If the electronic components are thinner and smaller, I'd prefer the same size phone with a bigger battery to maintain or exceed the battery life of my current 4.

 

I've been eligible for an upgrade since January, I'm waiting to see what Apple comes out with before committing. My wife couldn't wait, and bought a 4S the day she was eligible for an upgrade.

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I still hope it's a joke.

 

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So do I. It just looks awkward and a bit strange. Maybe after holding it and actually using it I might feel different. It won't really matter to me that much since I will likely skip the iPhone 5 and wait for the iPhone 6 when it is released next year when I can use my upgrade credit. I might change my mind if the rumors are false and the iPhone 5 really beats expectations. If the current rumors are true, hopefully Apple will receive enough negative backlash and lowered sales that they will finally relent and give us a wider phone next year with at least a 4.3" or larger screen. 

 

I'm definitely hoping that Apple unleashes the teardrop iPhone instead, because that one was flawlessly sexy

 

700700700700

 

Anyway @gwmac

 

If the next iPhone does fail Apple is more likely to go BACK to a smaller 3.5 inch screen! So far all intents and purposes this iPhone needs to succeed if you want to one day see an iPhone with a much larger screen.

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But add in energy-hungry LTE...

 

I also would prefer more battery life. If the electronic components are thinner and smaller, I'd prefer the same size phone with a bigger battery to maintain or exceed the battery life of my current 4.

 

I've been eligible for an upgrade since January, I'm waiting to see what Apple comes out with before committing. My wife couldn't wait, and bought a 4S the day she was eligible for an upgrade.

You're probably in the minority of consumers that want a relatively thick phone in favor of a bigger battery.

 

The 4S is one of the thicker phones now, so I would hope Apple would for the sake of their legacy of "thinness" and beauty make the phone a bit thinner.

 

They can use the same battery and the savings they get from the new screen tech and the low power efficient A6 could go to powering the hungry LTE chips, all while the phone shrink a millimeter or 2.

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Still waiting for some genius to actually measure the height of the thing as well as the thickness of the assembled parts.

Indeed! I don't want a phone that cannot fall sideways in my pocket; if it cannot I won't buy it. Will heave a problem when my current one dies...

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Or, following the lead of every other Apple product, including the iPad:

6th: (the new) iPhone

If it's too tall for my taste I certainly hope they will keep the current iPhone, teh iPhone Classic. In what year was the original iPod designated as the Classic one?
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
So do I. It just looks awkward and a bit strange. Maybe after holding it and actually using it I might feel different. It won't really matter to me that much since I will likely skip the iPhone 5 and wait for the iPhone 6 when it is released next year when I can use my upgrade credit. I might change my mind if the rumors are false and the iPhone 5 really beats expectations. If the current rumors are true, hopefully Apple will receive enough negative backlash and lowered sales that they will finally relent and give us a wider phone next year with at least a 4.3" or larger screen. 

 

Stop.

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I was hoping for wider, not taller. I could easily fit a wider phone in my hand, but taller makes holding and clicking in one hand a bit more problematic. 
Taller IS wider when it matters. Perusing these forums on an iPhone will be a lot better on a taller screen held sideways. When Reader doesn't work sideways often isn't wide enough so every little helps.
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And how can you be more scratch resistant than 'fully'? I can't scratch my 1st gen's screen to save my life. 
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post
what's it like living in a cotton wool bubble?

 

Difficult to breathe, but it's soft as all get out.

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I bet you the reality of owning one proves it's the exact same glass.

How do you figure? Isn't GG2 205 thinner for the same durability? If so, going 10% thinner means it's more resilient that the GG1 they use now. If they are still using GG1 (which I doubt) then they have a glass cover that is weaker than currently used. In either case it doesn't seem to be the exact same.

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Thinner display tech + a more energy efficient display and processor should = a thinner phone that at least matched the 4S's battery life.
Personally hoping for at least one aspect of the hardware design to wow people such as its overall thinness.

The SoC is probably the biggest gain in power efficiency for the same performance. The display could improve but I'd wager that the pixels it's pushing to it account for the majority or the power it needs. I doubt that the additional increase in resolution account for much just as I doubt the melding of the display and touch panels amount for much. I'd call that a wash. The biggest gain after the SoC could be the backlight as there is one less matrix to deal with and perhaps a more efficient backlight tech being used. I doubt the thinning glass would affect that in any meaningful way.

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I'm definitely hoping that Apple unleashes the teardrop iPhone instead, because that one was flawlessly sexy
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It's sexy but impractical. Unlike Android-based devices Apple designed their iOS and their devices to be usable in multiple orientation. The iPad even takes this concept farther by making it rotate smoothly on all 4 sides. That makes a teardrop design simply an issue in much the same way some very nice prototypes for the iPhone were scraped because they affected usability. On top of that, a solid aluminum casing would fair well for RF.

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Other benefits are bringing it 1 pixel away from being 16:9 aspect ratio for videos without losing any of the usability of the 3:2 design.

Yup, and people like my mom are going to want a stretch feature to get rid of the black letter-box bars until developers manage to upgrade their apps for the new widescreen aspect ration.

You now how old folks like their picture to fill up the screen, even if it makes the actors look like they gained 20 or 30 pounds ...
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So you don't want usable battery life?


So you don't want a bigger phone?


I want a bigger screen not a bigger phone. This design makes me vomit.
Sticking with my 4 if it is confirmed.
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Originally Posted by jason98 View Post
I want a bigger screen not a bigger phone.

 

So you want no home button and no speaker so that when you get a call you can't hear them and when you're done you can't go back to the rest of the device.

 

This design makes me vomit.
Sticking with my 4 if it is confirmed.
 

Which also makes you vomit, as it's the same design.

 

Seriously, are these people listening to themselves?

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So you want no home button and no speaker so that when you get a call you can't hear them and when you're done you can't go back to the rest of the device.

 

Yes I hate the home button. Speaker with a front camera could fit at the rounded top section (just like it is done on the back panel).

 

 

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Which also makes you vomit, as it's the same design.

 

Seriously, are these people listening to themselves?

 

 

Not it is not the same. It is freaking 1cm+ longer. But I could tolerate it if the screen had the same dimensions as the center (gray) back panel.
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Originally Posted by jason98 View Post
Speaker with a front camera could fit at the rounded top section (just like it is done on the back panel).

 

But that doesn't exist in your vision because the design and size doesn't change. So the only way to make the screen bigger is to make the phone into a tesseract so that it is simultaneously large enough for a larger screen and small enough to stay the same size.


Not it is not the same. It is freaking 1cm+ longer.

 

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So do I. It just looks awkward and a bit strange. Maybe after holding it and actually using it I might feel different. It won't really matter to me that much since I will likely skip the iPhone 5 and wait for the iPhone 6 when it is released next year when I can use my upgrade credit. I might change my mind if the rumors are false and the iPhone 5 really beats expectations. If the current rumors are true, hopefully Apple will receive enough negative backlash and lowered sales that they will finally relent and give us a wider phone next year with at least a 4.3" or larger screen. 

 

I am sure they will explain in the keynotes why they came up with that design.  One thing I can think of is dock accessories.  The phone will still fit with an adaptor. They may still make it wider and taller next year.

 

I think its pretty obvious with the number of different leaks that this is going to be next iphone.


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Honestly I'm not too concerned about battery life.  My phone is constantly plugged in to some power source, either on its dock at home or connected to USB at work.  What I'd really really like would be a reflective background to make it possible to read the screen in plain sunlight.  This obviously requires sacrificing a bit of brightness because the reflective surface wouldn't be as transparent, but to me the convenience to read maps in the sun is a lot more important.  On the iPad this would make even more sense for outdoors reading.  I'd take an iPad with 50% of the brightness with a semi-reflective background that doesn't waste its battery over the current iPad that wastes a lot of battery, is useless for reading in the sun, and overheats so much at full brightness that it gets uncomfortable to hold without a cover.

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I want a bigger screen not a bigger phone. This design makes me vomit.
Sticking with my 4 if it is confirmed.

According to my calculations it's less than 1/3" longer yet adds a lot more on the display height. That is something in willing to deal with especially considering it's not any thicker or wider.

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Yup, and people like my mom are going to want a stretch feature to get rid of the black letter-box bars until developers manage to upgrade their apps for the new widescreen aspect ration.
You now how old folks like their picture to fill up the screen, even if it makes the actors look like they gained 20 or 30 pounds ...

I assume Apple will not include a stretch feature to anything. I'm also guessing that "good" apps, meaning apps that followed Apple's guidelines, will resolve fine as they should just be showing more data on screen.

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IMHO, it's not worth arguing over design aesthetics. People have differing tastes. However, coming to knee-jerk reactions such as "this design makes me vomit" or "Apple doesn't need to move far from its current design because it's perfect" are no better than political sensationalism.

 

Without seeing the new design fully assembled in person, I can't form a complete opinion on this design. However, from what I have seen so far, I am excited for it. I've wanted a larger screen since the 4S came out (I'm currently still using an iPhone 4).

 

Ignore the complainers already. If this design proves true (which is almost certain at this point), Apple reduced the thickness of the upper and lower bezel, reduced the Home button's size, centered the front-facing camera, increased the screen real estate, added durability to the phone's construction, and all while possibly reducing the phone's thickness and without increasing the overall size more than marginally.

 

It's like Apple actually listened to it's customers' comments and improved their design accordingly. Yet the complaints continue... but that's ok. It'll keep Apple from sitting still. I just wish people would act in accordance with the standards of maturity, reasoned thinking, and respect for others when voicing their criticisms.

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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
Stop what exactly, calling it the iPhone 5?

 

Stop doing it for the purpose of doing it, which is what that post was. It's counterproductive to your message. And you'll just have to give up doing it when the actual device is released, so it's best to start early. 

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I assume Apple will not include a stretch feature to anything. I'm also guessing that "good" apps, meaning apps that followed Apple's guidelines, will resolve fine as they should just be showing more data on screen.
Of course Apple won't. But that won't stop people like my mother from not buying it because of the black bars.

But maybe I'm misinformed ... Are you saying developers have been planning for a 16:9 retina display since the beginning, just in case Apple developed a wider aspect ratio, so all the existing apps will just suddenly fill up the entire screen?

Actually if Apple did anything, I would imagine they'd offer a way to wallpaper the black bars on apps that didn't fill the entire space. That would satisfy my mom. Nothing gets her riled-up like black bars surrounding her picture on her TV!
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
On TV…  …everyone immediately know what they mean and the same goes for print journalism.

 

But they'll just switch to the real name when it's released.

 

For clarity of meaning as well as brevity, there is no other term that comes close.
 

"iPhone 6" comes closer. A lot closer. "iPhone 6", unlike "iPhone 5" is actually THE RIGHT TERM, even though it is equally unlikely to be used.


Apple may make the phone and call it whatever they like, but they don't care about the discourse or popular nomenclature.

 

Except for this part:


Originally posted by The Wall Street Journal:
Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of world-wide marketing, simply said that Apple broke from the convention "because we don't want to be predictable."

Language is just a means to get thoughts and ideas across to other people and there are many ways to express those thoughts. 

 

With more of those ways being incorrect and muddling than not.

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