Every once in awhile I'm presented with an exercise in self-control, resisting the obvious.....
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
They are relentless because a large number of them are paid astroturfers. Then there is tekstud, back now as JerrySwitched26.
By Samsung's logic, using 2001 A Space Odyssey as a example, Gene Rodenberry should sue the entire cell phone industry for stealing his flip phone (communicator) design.
All inventions essentially improve on what other have built in one way or another. The key is taking those ideas and making them into something worthwhile.
The MP3 player, smartphone and tablet industries were niche segments for geeks and business (BB only) before Apple made them not suck for the rest of us.
It's pretty obvious that Apple is a luxury brand. The markups that Apple charge are even higher than some global luxury brands. I'm sure Merc, Bimmer, LVMH Moet Hennessy, and Italian fashion houses envy Apple's markups and can only dream of ever having a half trillion dollar market cap. :D
Really? Then why can't anyone seem to beat Apple on price with the iPad or Ultrabooks?
Apple has become so efficient a good chunk of those margins come simply from running a better supply chain.
Really? Then why can't anyone seem to beat Apple on price with the iPad or Ultrabooks?
Apple has become so efficient a good chunk of those margins come simply from running a better supply chain.
Good point. I must say it's hard for me to give you a complete answer since Apple does not divulge its trade secrets or any details about its contracts with suppliers.
Here's what studentx said, "Apple has become so efficient a good chunk of those margins come simply from running a better supply chain."
I don't want to misconstrue what studentx pointed out but extrapolating from his point, I'd say that Apple's enormous purchasing power and superior supply chain allow the company to maintain luxury-level markups.
I believe that Apple is a luxury brand because they sell a premium product that commands markups that are higher than those of some top luxury auto brands and fashion brands. We can agree to disagree on this point, can't we? It's a subjective POV.
Here's what studentx said, "Apple has become so efficient a good chunk of those margins come simply from running a better supply chain."
I don't want to misconstrue what studentx pointed out but extrapolating from his point, I'd say that Apple's enormous purchasing power and superior supply chain allow the company to maintain luxury-level markups.
I believe that Apple is a luxury brand because they sell a premium product that commands markups that are higher than those of some top luxury auto brands and fashion brands. We can agree to disagree on this point, can't we? It's a subjective POV.
Err, coming from the Asia-Pacific, I think it is getting harder to maintain their 'premium' margins now in 2012 than in 2009 when 3GS first officially imported. Used markets and grey importers exploded and just outcompeted carriers here. By now carriers have to eat up differences themselves and give us discounts, 0% interest payments for 10 months, three years warranty, free data and call for the first six months and so on.
Mercedes get its head handed to them by grey marketers using the very same playbook. Half of Mercedes sold from Beijing to Jarkatar are now grey imported and dealers just admit defeat, offering to service them as well if you buy their packages.
Von Dutch had to left and Giorgio Armani was killed too, only Exchange remains. Apple may not remain an exception for long; it will be forced to lower the price and bring iPhone line to cheaper brackets eventually. The iPhone is indeed very popular, but with low-hanging customers all snapped up, oversupply of handsets and cut-throat competitions between carriers themselves and grey importers, price wars and cheapening of the 'premium' image is all but inevitable now.
When Chinese car companies copy European cars and stick their logo in it, everyone in the West cries CopyCat.
When Samsung copy Apple and stick its logo in it, everyone in the West who despise/cannot afford Apple´s products cries NO Copycat.
Your argument has a flaw. A design IS a method of doing something and that design can be patented. In the United States, a design patent is a patent granted on the ornamental design of a functional item. If your argument held any weight, US law wouldn't allow for design patents in the first place. Go ahead and tell any engineer or architect that a design isn't a solution to a problem. They will laugh in your face. The chair you sit on, the building you're within, the computer you use, the table it's resting on, all were designed to solve a specific problem. You could've argued about the US patent system in general, but you didn't.
I'm not going to take sides on this case as I don't have all the facts presented, but it's obvious Apple believes Samsung created their own phone(s) in violation of a design patent Apple holds for the iPhone. Samsung believes otherwise. That's the whole point of this jury trial: to determine who's opinion is legally correct in this argument.
Here's what studentx said, "Apple has become so efficient a good chunk of those margins come simply from running a better supply chain."
I don't want to misconstrue what studentx pointed out but extrapolating from his point, I'd say that Apple's enormous purchasing power and superior supply chain allow the company to maintain luxury-level markups.
I believe that Apple is a luxury brand because they sell a premium product that commands markups that are higher than those of some top luxury auto brands and fashion brands. We can agree to disagree on this point, can't we? It's a subjective POV.
What is a luxury brand? It's all in perception really as there is no clear definition. Is Apple perceived as such? I believe so. But the real question to ask: Is being a perceived luxury brand a good reason to dislike Apple? Again, in my opinion, I don't believe so.
And disliking Apple because they don't give the same discount to students as they did in the past, that made me laugh. Disneyland had a free-on-your-birthday pomotion a few years back. Should I dislike the company because they don't offer that discount anymore? It was serving the same purpose as Apple's student discount, getting people into their ecosystem that might not have joined otherwise. Disneyland is another polarizing brand, but to dislike it just because they don't offer a discount anymore smells of false entitlement.
So the original poster's reasons for disliking Apple as presented to us so far are not based in logical reasoning. Perhaps there's a personal emotional reason, but then it would be more difficult for him to sway others to his point of view with that type of reason.
Science doesn't have a name for it, but pop culture certainly does: the Fanboi. Some people get a big kick out of poking them with sticks. The responses, including cognitive dissonance, howling and hysteria are amusing to those people.
To bother to register in a site like that makes you WHAT?
- - A Doctor ?
I wrote about phony IT technicians who receive commissions in order to sell certain machines on this site, and was warned of possible BAN, now people insult me Because i like the way Apple do biz and that is OK.
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Using racial superiority to attack someone asking an honest question is low brow, sir.
He's talking about you and your ilk, Zazzles. Not Apple fans.
Excluding precedent, the US patent office determines those guidelines using their own interpretation of US law to grant or deny patents. So there is precedent and there is interpretation of the law (a fancy phrase for an opinion). And if someone doesn't like the patent office's or the patent holder's "opinion", it can be submitted to a court of law for a "second opinion" using precedent as well.
If something looks similar but, either in reality or fiction, has a different functionality, it is not prior art. This is a rough example, but look at Apple Computer vs Apple Corps. Apple Computer was allowed to use "Apple" as logo and trademark even though Apple Records was using "Apple" prior. This is because the two companies have different functionality and couldn't be easily misconstrued as one being related to the other. This wasn't exactly a design patent issue but it is in the same spirit.
Another example, Star Trek TNG featured PADDs throughout their show, now Apple has the iPad on the market. The creators of Star Trek, if they even have the design patent, could sue Apple for a design patent violation, but seeing as how different the two devices are in functionality, marketing, and availability, in all likelihood the case would end in Apple's favor.
Using racial superiority to attack someone asking an honest question is low brow, sir.
Perhaps, but what I've read on AI board since 2010 are nearly mirrored of how things went on during Anti-Japanese campaign in 80's, the closer one will be the Anti-Bush fever during his second term. Switching Samsung and Microsoft with Republicans and Bush, and posts are identical to what I read on MoveOn.org and Detroit Unions pamplets kept in libraries when I wrote by degree's proposal.
The bile, the mood, the tone, the toxic, the emotion, they were all there then and they are here today. Alomst word by word sometimes.
I mentiond 80's Anti-Japanese syndrome because many posters here mentioned themselves they were there, active, during the early years of Apple. That makes it plausible many were there, and might even joined, the anti-Japanese movements of that time and still carried the grudges from the campuses to this day. They fought the Japs 40 years ago and lost. Now they looked at Koreans and told themselves' No, no, no! No again!' MoveOn.Org was, in that tiem, the outlet to express the sense of vulnerability, powerlessness and frustration of why everything they believed to be right and just, drilled into them from their university days, are on the losing side and nothing they campaigned, partitioned doesn't seem to change anything.
The same fear and frustations manifested itself again and again; first in Japanese cars killing American jobs, second Republicans taking their sense of power, third Samsung seems to be winning against American champion, Apple.
You know, maybe I'm not very good at explaining all this and perhaps most of you graduated with Science degree, so you won't have background knowledge of what I am saying either.
Does anyone here got something from Arts field, or better yet, graduated or done some papers on Social Science or Anthropology? Could you take a look at Apple vs. Samsung fans war and give us a description of what is going on here?
Wait. Did you really just compare this website and its posters to "a white supremacy website" and to a "Godhatesfags" website?
Let me assure you, the posters on sites such as those are not nearly as irrational and nasty as the posters here.
I can't decide if your sensationalism, intended to be funny, was too early or too late. :-P
We've always been at war with Eastasia...
We've always been at war with Eastasia...
Yes, but that degrades the quality of the music and due to the manner in which iTunes handles song data I would have a LOT of work ahead of me.
Also, Apple makes it so damned hard to leave by only giving the option burning to a physical CD as opposed to burning virtual CDs (can be done with 3rd party programs). Imagine having to burn a 700MB rewriteable CD 20 - 40 times. Zoinks!
Perhaps, but what I've read on AI board since 2010 are nearly mirrored of how things went on during Anti-Japanese campaign in 80's, the closer one will be the Anti-Bush fever during his second term. Switching Samsung and Microsoft with Republicans and Bush, and posts are identical to what I read on MoveOn.org and Detroit Unions pamplets kept in libraries when I wrote by degree's proposal.
The bile, the mood, the tone, the toxic, the emotion, they were all there then and they are here today. Alomst word by word sometimes.
I mentiond 80's Anti-Japanese syndrome because many posters here mentioned themselves they were there, active, during the early years of Apple. That makes it plausible many were there, and might even joined, the anti-Japanese movements of that time and still carried the grudges from the campuses to this day. They fought the Japs 40 years ago and lost. Now they looked at Koreans and told themselves' No, no, no! No again!' MoveOn.Org was, in that tiem, the outlet to express the sense of vulnerability, powerlessness and frustration of why everything they believed to be right and just, drilled into them from their university days, are on the losing side and nothing they campaigned, partitioned doesn't seem to change anything.
The same fear and frustations manifested itself again and again; first in Japanese cars killing American jobs, second Republicans taking their sense of power, third Samsung seems to be winning against American champion, Apple.
You know, maybe I'm not very good at explaining all this and perhaps most of you graduated with Science degree, so you won't have background knowledge of what I am saying either.
Does anyone here got something from Arts field, or better yet, graduated or done some papers on Social Science or Anthropology? Could you take a look at Apple vs. Samsung fans war and give us a description of what is going on here?
MoveOn.org was established in the late 90's, well after the 1980's, with an intention of defending a sitting Democratic US President. They are largely just against Republicans, and I don't believe they have any involvement outside of the US political system. Perhaps you're thinking of a different organization?
Unfortunately, I'm too young to recall anything personally about an anti-Japanese or anti-Asian movement in the 1980's and I haven't researched the subject at all to know of its veracity.
I do know there are small subcultures of xenophobia, isolationism, racism in the US directed at many ethnic groups, however I don't believe this website or the posters on its forum harbor ill will to the Asian people or Asian companies at large. You do have to concede that Americans will naturally champion an American company over a company of international origin, just as Koreans, Chinese, or Japanese peoples would champion companies of their national origin over companies of other nations.
All we have here is a debate with spirited opinions on what is or isn't legal according to US law in this particular case. If you frequented a pro-Google/Android website, you'd see the same debate most likely in reverse, with Apple, the American company, being trashed and bashed mostly by Americans themselves. If you went to a slightly more neutral website, such as Engadget (neutrality being relative), you'd see spirited opinions on both sides of the debate probably in equal proportion.
Does this mean Google/Android supporters are anti-American because they'd love to see Apple fail? No. The same applies here. Just because some posters here would love to see Samsung fail, at least in this US trial, that definitely doesn't mean they are anti-Korean.
OK, so I am not looking at the bunch of pass-it men wallowing at 'what could have been' on this board, right? Some of them here certainly cannot move on, still holding the grudge on Micrsoft for bringing Apple to near bankrupcy, and still retell stories like it happened yesterday...
I looked at some of them and cannot be helped to notice the similar feeling I saw from the past.
