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post #81 of 142
A tempest in a teapot. In the end, it doesn't really stop anything. iOS users will probably have quicker turn-around on new YouTube and Google maps features, since they don't have to get timed with new releases of iOS. But leave it to DaHater to spin this into a negative, anti-Apple rant.

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Obviously AI is going to have a pro-Apple opinion on this. At the risk of being called a troll, despite about 95% of my posts being pro-Apple and being here for years etc, this is a very very bad move. 

 

Think the average user. I mentioned something about iOS 6 recently and a non-technical friend replied on Twitter that she was looking forward to it. Shes a big iPhone fan.

 

What she will get - the most obvious things at least are

 

1) An inferior map service with no StreetView

2) No youtube.

 

Whats new?  From here - http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Apples-iOS-6-Whats-New-and-Whats-Missing/?page=1 - because I honestly forget.

 

Siri on iPads.

Reading list. 

FB integration.

Passbook, smassbook.

FaceTime over 3G

 

An Iphone user wont notice siri on iPads. Reading list is a minor addition. FB integration wont matter, as apps do that already where they need to. Passbook wont be useful off the bat. iCloud integration on Safari is a small update, and matters to people with more than one device. FaceTime, not really used on iPhones and you better never use it on a data plan.

 

So, the update will seem like a regression to the average user. They will download and wonder what has changed and miss youtube and google maps. The day after a general release the conversation will be how to download google maps and you tube. 

 

This is nuts: just as Apple uses google search, it should use google where it has to, where Google is better. And cut the crap.

 

I think the jury is still out on the new Maps app.  Here is a 3D view of Apple HQ (I've never been to this location) and it does a pretty good approximation of Street view.  There are a few anomalies in the rendering... but it's quite good!

 

It's kind of amazing when you realize that these views are interpolated from arial photographs -- no trucks driving around. 

 

I've found that you can navigate more quickly with this 3D view -- you just drag to where you want to go, rather than take a series of incremental steps (taps).  

 

Also, it is easier to see where you are (and not get lost)  because you can zoom in/out to an overview (as opposed to a close up of the street view).

 

Finally, I suspect it will be a lot easier to update (and keep in sync) as the new 3D Street View Approximation comes from the same source data as the 3D Flyover view... if you have Flyover 3D -- you automatically have Street 3D

 

 

Hybrid View (notice the restaurant icons on the roof)

 

1000

 

 

Map view

 

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This is starting to get ugly. I've been an Apple customer since 1983. No longer being the hungry underdog, they are now telling users what to like and what to not like. I haven't used the new "Maps" for iOS 6, but I am familiar with and have used "Maps" for the last 3 or 4 years on the iPhone. I can only wonder now with the elimination of the YouTube application (yes, I know it will still be available through Safari for the iPhone, which some people may even claim has more features) that Apple will replace it with something called "iTube". It's only a matter of time before they start restricting what pages Safari will load, and what pages its customers should and should not see.

 

That's some huge slippery slope you got on...  I, on the other hand, see no reason to benefit a particular company, especially one that already enjoys a monopoly and has been doing everything they possibly can to undermine Apple's efforts.  I am also against officially featuring specific services such as Twitter, Vimeo, Flickr, etc.  Instead they should allow us to develop bundles to extend the list of Sharing options as well as the functionality of the Phone and Messages apps.  For example: the Phone app could be made modular to support third-party voice and video services, while the Messages app could be made modular to support third-party messaging protocols.  This would make everything a lot cleaner as all comm apps would share the same Apple-designed interface.

post #84 of 142

It never made sense to me that YouTube was included but you had to actually download iBooks.
 

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Total nonsense, and factually incorrect. FUD! Adobe didn't cancel Flash development on mobile, they dropped the Flash Player support in lieu of native AIR applications, which are Flash. Flash is the primary format of all major video streaming sites, and supporting 3 formats instead of 1 format has created a problem, not solved one. HTML(5) still is not, and will not be for years and years, able to supersede or even parity the features in Flash. What you're describing isn't Apple winning, it's Adobe making peace with the fact that a mobile browser plugin will never gain ubiquity because Apple refuses to support it. Flash is still very much relevant and every time I hear an Apple fanboy spout some nonsense about it being dead, it just reminds me how ill informed people truly are. Such is the American way.

 

Flash is a wrapper not a format.

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post #86 of 142

Apple's hatred of Google seems to have spun wildly out of control now that Jobs has gone, which is bizarre given Job's rabid hatred of Google.

 

I wonder how many iOS users hate Google, and how many use their services daily and have no problem with the company... What's the ratio? Maybe 0.01% vs 99.99% 

 

There may come a point where if you use Google services, and let's face it, virtually everyone does, when iOS becomes such a hostile platform that you have to move. Next up, Apple switching Safari search to Yahoo, or perhaps AltaVista or  Lycos. Or maybe they'll come up with their own search engine, as they have done with maps, which is a vastly inferior product but at least sates Apple's Google hatred for a little longer.

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As others have said, I think the jury is still out on maps.  That said, I agree in principle.  The issue, as I see it, is that Apple should not make moves that allow Google to exert greater control over key aspects of feature design.  When Apple allows Google to control the application interface through which users experience key Google content, they essentially allow a competitor to determine how users experience key features 'of' an Apple product.  That's obviously a negative, on many levels.

 

There is a reason Apple created the Maps and YouTube apps in the first place; these were likely deemed to be too important to leave in the hands of a disinterested (or even hostile) third party.  

 

I'm not sure what the solution is, here... but I don't view this as a positive for iOS users.

post #88 of 142
Always looking for he negative in an event I see. Most people will see this as a good thing especially if Googgle takes an interest and updates the app in a timely manner. The YouTube app really belongs on app store where regular updates are not a problem.
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As long as the 'YouTube' app remains available for iOS this amount to little more than Apple trying to make some kind of anti-Googee statement while needlessly inconveniencing current iOS users who expect the app to be there when they upgrade/buy a new iOS device.
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Apple: "Hey, it looks like our 5-year contract with you to use YouTube is running out, and we should renegotiate"

Google: "That's right, we want another $5 per device for the privileges of us advertising to your users"

Apple: "So how much is that going to cost us since we have half the market of actual, people using their devices?"

Google: "Eleventy Gabillion Dollars"

Apple: "Right...."

 

Proof please.

 

Or maybe if you look at Apple's stance of late you see an obvious trend of them trying to eliminate anything related to Google from their products, even if that means the replacement being vastly inferior.

post #90 of 142
No big deal, mobile version much better anyway. Just need yourpron app and were sorted :-)
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post #91 of 142
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I suspect it was google's decision to remove the app from iOS, not apple.  

Really?... Nice play on words for a nic name, but really? Tallest is that stuff allowed here?
post #92 of 142
My god what is wrong with people these days? YouTube app belongs on app store as it really needs to be decoupled from iOS updates. There is absolutely nothing bad about this move.
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This is starting to get ugly. I've been an Apple customer since 1983. No longer being the hungry underdog, they are now telling users what to like and what to not like.
They are doing nothing of the sort.
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I haven't used the new "Maps" for iOS 6, but I am familiar with and have used "Maps" for the last 3 or 4 years on the iPhone. I can only wonder now with the elimination of the YouTube application (yes, I know it will still be available through Safari for the iPhone, which some people may even claim has more features) that Apple will replace it with something called "iTube". It's only a matter of time before they start restricting what pages Safari will load, and what pages its customers should and should not see.
Are you nuts? Really answer that question because the above appears to be totally irrational. This has nothing to do with censorship at all. Frankly it boggles the mind that you could even run off at the mouth the way you did here.
post #93 of 142

There's nothing wrong for Apple to try to eliminate all these 'Google Apps' as default. Seriously, the most valuable thing to Google is information, and right now Apple is giving the information to Google away for free by default. That's just bad business. Search, Google is paying so I think it's fine to keep it as default. But Maps and Youtube, I doubt they're paying a lot to Apple for these to be on the homepage.

 

In the end, this is business. Apple's Map's app is like taking back the free money they've been giving to Google. As for Youtube, it's still free advertising for Google on an iPhone's homepage and should be removed.

 

No need to hate Google, but competition should be there.

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Apple's never going to restrict its users from using GMail or Google Search. They may downplay those options, but that's not the same thing.

 

I wouldn't say so. Dumping Google Maps for something hugely inferior is an idiotic move, but Apple did it. They could dump GMail and all we'd hear from Apple fanboys is how wonderful iMail is or some such, and how anyone who doesn't move is a moron and deserves not to get any email.

 

Apple have left the realm of the sane and are into crazy territory, where hatreds and vendettas rule.

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Proof please.

 

Or maybe if you look at Apple's stance of late you see an obvious trend of them trying to eliminate anything related to Google from their products, even if that means the replacement being vastly inferior.


Apple's own announcement to the verge indicated that their License with Google expired recently - which makes since since they probbaly licensnced it around this time anyhow.  Anyhow the claim that this is about replacing something with an inferior product, that's a joke considering the mobile version of YouTube was in fact miles better than the Apple built one (since it got updated and maintained unllike the built-in version) and supported more features.

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We'll know they are serious when they no longer allow Google search on iOS and remove the GMail choice in the Mail accounts. Apple gets paid big $ for Google being the default search, not that Apple really needs the money. Those contracts are probably coming up soon too.

So, we can't use Gmail in the Mail app and we can't use Google for search at all anymore?!

post #97 of 142

Apple and Google may have lots of problems in their relationship, but neither of them are stupid and both are continuing to act like grownups (mostly).  I'm sure the discussions about YouTube have been going on for some time and it was likely's Apple's choice to go with the "have Google make their own YouTube app" solution.  Google probably doesn't mind this at all since they get YouTube's logo on the app (finally) and they get to control revenue on the app in terms of ads.  No, you won't be able to buy content via the app via Apple's rules but you will be able to view them if already purchased through a browser.

 

And the situation with Apple TV seems to be different.  The contract for Apple TV is probably separate and under different terms.  While it is clear that Apple continues to write their own YouTube app there, there is a logo, which Google is in favor of.  And unlike on the iPhone, you get media logos for Vimeo and Hulu which means Apple is being practical and flexible here versus the iPhone/iPad.  If Apple opens up the Apple TV to apps, you may see some of the content providers go there but still get most-favored-nation status but they also may choose to leave things as is.  We'll find out by the time the "Jesus" television arrives.

 

At some point soon there will be a Google-written iOS app and it instantly zoom to the top of Apple's free app list and likely stay there.  Apple will make a change to their web page saying that getting all that great content for Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu and everyone else is a quick trip to the app store.  And we'll all go on to debate about something else.

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Didn't the YouTube app also play any movie link by default not just those on YouTube?

No, Quicktime would play Safari videos, Youtube only played youtube videos.

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Why does everyone keep saying that Apple's new maps app is inferior to Google's when 99% of you haven't had an opportunity to try the new Apple maps yet?

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I wouldn't say so. Dumping Google Maps for something hugely inferior is an idiotic move, but Apple did it. They could dump GMail and all we'd hear from Apple fanboys is how wonderful iMail is or some such, and how anyone who doesn't move is a moron and deserves not to get any email.

 

Apple have left the realm of the sane and are into crazy territory, where hatreds and vendettas rule.

 

Apple Maps is hardly hugely inferior.  It's not completely up to snuff yet but its enough for most applications.  And Bing still is not the search engine of choice.

 

Apple is a publicly traded company that is widely watched.  It's not in their best interest for "crazy vendettas".  It is in their best to control their own destiny as much as possible.  There are many reasons why that was necessary with mapping.

post #101 of 142
Nothing is being dumped, rather it is being moved to the app store! What is so damn difficult to understand about this. This is a very positive thing so I have a hard time grasping why there is so much negativity expressed with this move. YouTube is after all Googles property as such they should support it just like every other company with an iOS app.
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Dumping YouTube is a strategic blunder.
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I wouldn't say so. Dumping Google Maps for something hugely inferior is an idiotic move, but Apple did it. They could dump GMail and all we'd hear from Apple fanboys is how wonderful iMail is or some such, and how anyone who doesn't move is a moron and deserves not to get any email.

 

Apple have left the realm of the sane and are into crazy territory, where hatreds and vendettas rule.

 

That's only half the story.  Apple changed Maps because Google restricts what third-parties can do with their maps through their license, which obviously puts Android at an advantage -- this is a perfectly justified move, especially since there's nothing stopping Google from publishing a replacement to the App Store.  YouTube made even less sense to support as an app since the site is just as useful on the browser and, again, nothing stops Google from publishing their own YouTube app.  GMail is as well supported as any other Exchange E-mail service -- I use Google apps on my personal domain and have absolutely no problem with GMail on Apple's Mail app.

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According to Macrumors, Apple has released a statement saying that their license with Google to include the YouTube app has expired. 


Actually, they didn't say it had expired.  They said it had "ended".  It could either have expired (through passage of time) or one of the parties could have terminated it (an act of volition). 

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So, we can't use Gmail in the Mail app and we can't use Google for search at all anymore?!


Mstone was simply speculating when he/she implied that.  There's no indication at this time that Apple is walking away from Gmail or Google Search. 

post #105 of 142
Quite clearly the licence was up and Apple chose not to renew it. To suggest that Google wanted the pre-installed app removed doesn't make any sense. Google is an advertising company that makes all its money from advertising, not from selling YouTube, Android or anything else. Google likely wants more data about the user coming out of its apps too, which Apple probably objects to. Android is simply an OS given away for free by an advertising company to collect data and sell ad space, that's Google's business model. YouTube, maps, gmail, all have the same purpose. If you don't think that's true, take a look at where nearly all of Google's earnings come from. Of course Google wants its maps, search, video and everything else on the iPhone. Apple doesn't any more. They went from partner to competitor. Why should Google continue to enjoy the privaledge of having its services pre-installed? Just go and get the app (when it arrives) like you do for everything else.
Edited by markbriton - 8/6/12 at 4:20pm
post #106 of 142
There was no mention of the app being dropped on the Apple TV iOS???
Actually, there is one place I would actually be a little pissed if it was removed. Probably the only place I watch YouTube videos. Sure, ther is a Vimeo app there but it sucks.
Plus, without JB, theres no way to install an app on that platform.
Edited by antkm1 - 8/6/12 at 4:30pm
post #107 of 142

Watch, Google's standalone version won't support AirPlay. lol.gif

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post #108 of 142
LONG time reader of these forums and finally decided to make a comment, be gentle, it's my first time...

I completely understand where many people are coming from and agree with them quite a bit- yes, in the long run this will be a better move. We can have an updated YouTube app, it'll be available from the iTunes store and at the end of the day it won't make much of a difference. But, at the same time that's from our perspective. And by that I mean from a hardcore Apple fan's perspective, or the very least the perspective of a tech savvy individual. Think about Joe Schmo. He or she love iPhones because they're cool and fun. Now imagine updating an iPhone only to find that an app they've used for years is no longer there. They're not going to be happy. And trust me, they're not going to know to simply download it from the app store. I have friends who still don't know about the notification centre let alone that if you double tap the home button your previous app list comes up. These people are lawyers, doctors and accountants in their mid to late 20s. They're not dumb but they're not the most tech savvy people either. And don't get me started about my parents and their friends! A huge majority of people are not going to be impressed by YouTube being missing.

Also, just as a side note. From a slightly tech savvy individual this sort of corporate war scares me. I'm a Windows user, I've grown up with Windows and find Mac too finicky, so I won't change over. News like this makes me wonder if one day Apple will eventually cut-off Windows from their iPhones and iPads. I know, it seems rather unlikely, but this sort news shows how cutthroat Apple has become, it could be something that happens one day!
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Why does everyone keep saying that Apple's new maps app is inferior to Google's when 99% of you haven't had an opportunity to try the new Apple maps yet?

You think only 1 out of 100 posters on AppleInsider have used iOS 6? I'd say that even among iPhone users that percentage is likely higher and that on AI the number is much, much higher. I'm certainly using iOS 6 on all devices and I can say that in the ways that I want Maps to work the Google-free version is ultimately inferior. It wasn't until beta 3 that my iPad (3) Maps felt fast, smooth, and wasn't crashing much. As of beta 4 my iPhone 4 Maps is now decent — not good, but decent. I'm still missing Street View and still have no use for FlyOver.

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Originally Posted by Bemmer View Post
Think about Joe Schmo. Now imagine updating an iPhone only to find that an app they've used for years is no longer there. They're not going to be happy. And trust me, they're not going to know to simply download it from the app store.

 

Then they can shut up and learn or deal with not having it. I'm fine with Apple forcing people to learn about the greatest feature of modern mobile devices.

 

News like this makes me wonder if one day Apple will eventually cut-off Windows from their iPhones and iPads.

 

I understand where your concern comes from, but something like 80% of iOS users are Windows users, so Apple would have to be staffed with the idiots from the mid-'90s to do that.

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post #111 of 142
Can they remove" Stocks" while they are at it?

Oh yeah... Re Maps....no streetview, no use to me.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt View Post
Oh yeah... Re Maps....no streetview, no use to me.


Amazing that so many people never drove anywhere before May 25, 2007.

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As others have said, I think the jury is still out on maps.  That said, I agree in principle.  The issue, as I see it, is that Apple should not make moves that allow Google to exert greater control over key aspects of feature design.  When Apple allows Google to control the application interface through which users experience key Google content, they essentially allow a competitor to determine how users experience key features 'of' an Apple product.  That's obviously a negative, on many levels.

There is a reason Apple created the Maps and YouTube apps in the first place; these were likely deemed to be too important to leave in the hands of a disinterested (or even hostile) third party.  

I'm not sure what the solution is, here... but I don't view this as a positive for iOS users.

We'll manage somehow, and muddle through. Thanks for your concern.

Now run along, go play with your google toys.....
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Amazing that so many people never drove anywhere before May 25, 2007.

ROTFLMAO.
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I wouldn't say so. Dumping Google Maps for something hugely inferior is an idiotic move, but Apple did it. They could dump GMail and all we'd hear from Apple fanboys is how wonderful iMail is or some such, and how anyone who doesn't move is a moron and deserves not to get any email.

 

Apple have left the realm of the sane and are into crazy territory, where hatreds and vendettas rule.

 

Dumping Gmail is not possible unless Apple removes IMAP support, which will not happen.

post #116 of 142

Google is, indeed, EVIL! Too many adds on youtube....Apple will eventually do a "Quicktime" on youtube......

post #117 of 142
iMessages now lists my iPhone phone number on my iPad as an option for both receiving iMessages and for using that as the sending ID. It's about time! Now we just need a tertiary update to OS X to get that in ML.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
iMessages now lists my iPhone phone number on my iPad as an option for both receiving iMessages and for using that as the sending ID. It's about time! Now we just need a tertiary update to OS X to get that in ML.

 

I bet the day of iOS 6's release, we'll get all of that in 10.8.1. You know, the one that shoves Facebook down our throats.

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I bet the day of iOS 6's release, we'll get all of that in 10.8.1. You know, the one that shoves Facebook down our throats.

If they haven't shoved Twitter down our throats in ML I don't image it will get my way when the option is added. In fact, I have a beef with Twitter integration in ML. When I click on a tweet from the notification tray or layover it doesn't open up my default Twitter app but opens up Safari. There should be a System Preferences option under the poorly named Mail, Contacts, and Calendars that allows me to choose the default app to see new tweets.

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We'll manage somehow, and muddle through. Thanks for your concern.
Now run along, go play with your google toys.....

 

You know, your response reminds me why I rarely post anything at AppleInsider.

 

Some of you mega-posters here have developed the remarkable trait of reverse-trolling.  That's when the most common form of expression is in fact the sort that would, in saner parts of the universe, be seen as basic trolling.  Yet here, it is considered state of the art logic.  Congratulations - all around a remarkable, though not exactly noteworthy, achievement.

 

Just to set the record straight I am A) a developer, B) a strong Apple supporter who happens to own a sizeable array of Apple products, and C) NOT a major supporter of Google products or of Google itself, in many respects.

 

The problem with you cultish types is that you immediately brand anyone who disagrees with you as some sort of ignoramous.  But the bottom line is this: none of you would last two days at Apple, which is by and large a place where they have no need or desire for blindly babbling morons who are incapable of rational discussion.

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