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New Apple v. Samsung court documents, presented by Apple on Monday as part of the ongoing Apple v. Samsung trial, allegedly show Samsung's proprietary home-screen icon designs are nearly identical to that of the iPhone's.

The collection of photos show Apple-designed icons for the iPhone's Settings, iTunes, Photos, Contacts, Phone and Notes apps, all of which bear striking resemblance to similar UI assets seen on Samsung smartphones.

Of the Samsung handsets sampled, including the Captivate, Galaxy Ace and Galaxy S, each featured iconography which was almost identical to Apple's designs. The South Korean company employs a custom UI skin over Google's Android operating system, called TouchWiz, thus the icons are specific to Samsung devices. The latest version of TouchWiz, Nature UX, was recently released with the Galaxy S III handset.

Apple registered a number of icons as trademarks in 2010, an example of which is provided below.

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From Monday's court documents:

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Source: Apple v. Samsung court documents

Contacts

Messaging

iTunes

Settings

Notes

Photos
post #2 of 101

Uh, "allegedly"? I've been posting proof of this nonsense for months.

 

1000

 

They need taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. Some good ol' Room 101 action for them. Monetary damages aren't even enough anymore. Buying back all old device stock and being forced to have a committee oversee all future designs isn't enough. The fact that Apple will use this suit to win in every other country imaginable to do the same thing isn't enough.

 

I'd want them out of the phone business entirely.

 

"You want a monopoly!"


I want competition. And since in five years they've refused to actually do their own thing, it's evident they never will.

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Some of those are very obvious. Sunflower for photos? There's no other picture they could have used? And a phone has to be a 1980 vintage handset against a green background? Give me a break.

Others, though, are not so obvious. The messaging icon doesn't impress me as an obvious copy. It seems generic enough. The contacts one also doesn't impress me much - although the binding on the left of the icons is perhaps suggestive. Notes? What else does a note look like? If they had chosen post-it notes, then people would have been complaining about Apple's Stickies. That one looks pretty generic. Settings? Could go either way. The music one also doesn't look like an obvious copy. After all, what represents music more than a couple of notes and a CD?
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post #4 of 101
Like the rest of Asia, Koreans obviously struggle for original ideas.
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I never realized that Samsung's music icon is basically the old iTunes icon color corrected to purple.

 

The only reason you copy icons is to make your device look like an iPhone.

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
The messaging icon doesn't impress me as an obvious copy. It seems generic enough.

 

Oh, yeah. That icon sure had to use green. And the tail sure had to be on the same side as Apple's.


Notes? What else does a note look like?

 

White paper with blue lines, white paper with red lines, white paper with a black top, white paper with a red top, yellow paper with a black top… About seven thousand different combinations that wouldn't be a direct rip of Apple's stuff.

 

Settings? Could go either way. 

 

That's the only one that I think Apple will have trouble getting unanimous assent over, unless you go by the image I posted, in which case it's blindingly obvious.


The music one also doesn't look like an obvious copy. After all, what represents music more than a couple of notes and a CD?

 

How about anything else ever, since that's an exact duplicate of the iTunes icon? You honestly don't think they didn't copy anything there? Honestly?

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The iTunes 9 logo, FYI:

 

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Oh, yeah. That icon sure had to use green. And the tail sure had to be on the same side as Apple's.

White paper with blue lines, white paper with red lines, white paper with a black top, white paper with a red top, yellow paper with a black top… About seven thousand different combinations that wouldn't be a direct rip of Apple's stuff.


That's the only one that I think Apple will have trouble getting unanimous assent over, unless you go by the image I posted, in which case it's blindingly obvious.

How about anything else ever, since that's an exact duplicate of the iTunes icon? You honestly don't think they didn't copy anything there? Honestly?

What I think is irrelevant. What matters is what Apple can prove. And some of these are going to be harder to prove than others.
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According to The Verge one of Apple's expert witness faltered under cross examination from Samsung.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/6/3223372/peter-bressler-testimony-apple-samsung-trial
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Originally Posted by jigjag69 View Post
Legal pad is yellow paper ...no way around that one


Because notes cannot—and have not in the history of human writing—be taken on any other medium than a legal pad. 

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What I think is irrelevant. What matters is what Apple can prove. And some of these are going to be harder to prove than others.

Some are clearly total rip-offs of the trademarked icons, the others seem inspired by the spirit of them (similar color combos, sunflower leaves), though whether those violate the trademark may be a tougher call just because... they're such BAD rip-offs. But the intent is fairly evident across all of them with maybe the exception of the gear for their settings. I think people would have a really tough time mistaking that ugly blue gear for what Apple has, though using a gear for that I guess could be considered copying - but I know I've seen gears used for setting stuff over the years. Wrenches too.

 

But at least half of them seem like a pretty easy demonstration of direct copying, which maybe helped Samsung sell more of their knock-offs. Hopefully they get to pay Apple for that priviledge now.

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Originally Posted by mrstep View Post
…whether those violate the trademark may be a tougher call just because… they're such BAD rip-offs.

 

Here's the kicker, though: Is it the quality of the knock-off that determines the outcome or is it the fact that they (blatantly) ARE knockoffs?

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Because notes cannot—and have not in the history of human writing—be taken on any other medium than a legal pad. 

 

No doubt. It's almost as pathetic as the iTunes icon rip-off.

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According to The Verge one of Apple's expert witness faltered under cross examination from Samsung.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/6/3223372/peter-bressler-testimony-apple-samsung-trial

In any trial, When the defense (plaintiff) is on, it always looks like their side has the winning arguments. You have to wait until both sides have had the chance to question a witness before making any judgments.

The one thing that does surprise me is why Apple hasn't brought to the stand -- and grilled -- more Samsung insiders and designers, e.g., the people who actually created these logos and asked them (under oath) their source of inspiration (and to back it up with evidence). It certainly looks to me like Samsung's legal team is far more aggressive and detailed.
post #15 of 101

one should also post the stock Android icons to see why they would change from that.

post #16 of 101

Even microsoft was smart enough to invert the colors of the mouse cursor when they copied Mac OS.

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Holy shit. Game, set, and match. I don't see who the hell can look at these icons and pretend its coincidence, or that Samsung didn't specifically set out to make it as similar as possible. Give me a fucking break. Shameless, I'd be fucking embarrassed if I designed those icons. 

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Samsung really shat the bed here... :p between this & Samsung's internal memo, i laughed so hard! :)

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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post
Even microsoft was smart enough to invert the colors of the mouse cursor when they copied Mac OS.

 

Should've been a pink and black phone icon, then. lol.gif

post #20 of 101
Really can't stand people saying that these are obvious! Samsung copied even same colors and place icons on screen to make it look like an iPhone. Is that so obvious? If I was a company that was trying to compete with apple, ripping off their obvious icons is the last thing I will do. Have anyone seen themes on jailbreak iPhomes? There are some most original icons I've seen. It's amazing how STUPID Samsung is. Can't even change color from green to yellow!
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post #21 of 101
YUCK! And what CRAPPY copies besides!
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I would like to see the default Android OS icon set before Samsung "skinned" them. Perhaps it's Google's inspired designs that influenced Samsung ... Remember Apple is after Goigle, not Samsung, per se ...
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We don't use yellow notepaper in Europe - for anything. Even in the US, most people aren't lawyers, so why use yellow as the paper? Why not just have a pencil icon for notes? A Fountain pen? A quill and inkpot even? As for the Settings, why use a cogwheel? A spanner is more intuitive. The phone icon is blatant, as is the Contacts icon. Of COURSE Samsung are copying; that's what they do best. That's what Asian workshops have done for centuries!

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Some of those are very obvious. Sunflower for photos? There's no other picture they could have used? And a phone has to be a 1980 vintage handset against a green background? Give me a break.
Others, though, are not so obvious. The messaging icon doesn't impress me as an obvious copy. It seems generic enough. The contacts one also doesn't impress me much - although the binding on the left of the icons is perhaps suggestive. Notes? What else does a note look like? If they had chosen post-it notes, then people would have been complaining about Apple's Stickies. That one looks pretty generic. Settings? Could go either way. The music one also doesn't look like an obvious copy. After all, what represents music more than a couple of notes and a CD?

 

 

But couldn't Samsung use a different color for messaging? 

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I would like to see the default Android OS icon set before Samsung "skinned" them. Perhaps it's Google's inspired designs that influenced Samsung ... Remember Apple is after Goigle, not Samsung, per se ...

 

 

No Samsung created the skins. 

post #26 of 101

Denison's testimony today was really damning -- he said that the iPhone caused Samsung to have a "crisis of design". Then, POOF, after the crisis of design, all their phones looked like the iPhone. Nah, they didn't copy it, did they? After all, it's just a rectangle.

 

It's easy to some people to justify rooting for the underdog and to hate Apple because of their success, their $600 stock price, their market cap, but it's hard to root for an underdog that cheats and steals. If you want to root for Windows Phone, go for it. It's not an iPhone copy.

 

 

Apple doesn't have to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt like in a criminal trial -- they just have to convince the jury by a "preponderance of the evidence" -- and there's been nothing but a preponderance of evidence so far. Samsung's devices -- heck, all Android devices that stole from iPhone -- should be banned until they come out with their own designs that, like Windows Phone, are unique and different from iPhone. 

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Because notes cannot—and have not in the history of human writing—be taken on any other medium than a legal pad. 

 

 

Exactly. You can show note taking many different ways. I took notes on plain white paper. 

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Here's the kicker, though: Is it the quality of the knock-off that determines the outcome or is it the fact that they (blatantly) ARE knockoffs?

 

It’s the likelihood of confusion that determines trademark infringement.
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We don't use yellow notepaper in Europe - for anything. Even in the US, most people aren't lawyers, so why use yellow as the paper? Why not just have a pencil icon for notes? A Fountain pen? A quill and inkpot even? As for the Settings, why use a cogwheel? A spanner is more intuitive. The phone icon is blatant, as is the Contacts icon. Of COURSE Samsung are copying; that's what they do best. That's what Asian workshops have done for centuries!

 

 

It's pretty clear Samsung wanted to present their phone in a way that would encourage iPhone switchers. The goal is to provide the appearance of a "me too" experience for customers to divert attention from how the phone doesn't hook seamlessly into all of their existing Apple services.
 
I was shocked when I saw the native photo application UI on the Galaxy S? It's a carbon copy of the iphone one, including the toggle for switching between stills/video. Interesting they chose not to innovate there because the iphone camera interface is a particularly weak UI in the first place.
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Legal pad is yellow paper ...no way around that one

 

Last time I used a notepad it was white.
 
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Some of those are very obvious. Sunflower for photos? There's no other picture they could have used? And a phone has to be a 1980 vintage handset against a green background? Give me a break.
Others, though, are not so obvious. The messaging icon doesn't impress me as an obvious copy. It seems generic enough. The contacts one also doesn't impress me much - although the binding on the left of the icons is perhaps suggestive. Notes? What else does a note look like? If they had chosen post-it notes, then people would have been complaining about Apple's Stickies. That one looks pretty generic. Settings? Could go either way. The music one also doesn't look like an obvious copy. After all, what represents music more than a couple of notes and a CD?

I couldn't agree with you more.
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post #32 of 101

Go to Google and type in the following searches (search for "images").

 

notes icons

telephone icons

contacts icons

messaging icons

 

There are numerous different examples for these, which makes Samsung look even worse.

 

Now if you Google...

 

settings icons

 

You see lots of examples with gears and lots with hammers/screwdrivers. I think Settings would be hard for Apple to prove based on what Google returns.

 

Photos is a rip-off as well, simply because they used the same flower.

post #33 of 101
Yea, so why hasn't Samsung use "yellow" color in their previous phone note icon prior to iPhone release?? Even Korean people told me that they are good at copying not so good as a innovators.
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At the risk of sounding "racist," does anyone disagree, that Asian companies find it easier to "copy" than "innovate?" There, I said it. :)

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Like the rest of Asia, Koreans obviously struggle for original ideas.

Agreed! When one imagines the level of resources, attention to detail and literally years of effort that Apple invested in the iPhone, iPad and MBA and companies like Samsung, Google, Dell and HP and can just come along and rip Apple off? It is just disgusting! If there was a Samsung/Google programmer living next door to me, I would have a hard time even talking to him/her....disgusting!

 

Here's hoping Apple is developing their own search engine so I can rid myself of Google as I have done with MS! :)

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At the risk of sounding "racist," does anyone disagree, that Asian companies find it easier to "copy" than "innovate?" There, I said it. 1smile.gif

Asian cultures, in general, tend to emphasize community rather than individuality. For many Asian cultures, building on the work of others is honored.

That said, it's really irrelevant. We have laws in this country and there are laws in other countries. if Samsung is breaking the law and illegally copying Apple's product, it is irrelevant whether that is a cultural difference or simply lazy management.
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post #37 of 101

Samsung - the stupidest company on Earth - ROFLMAO!

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Asian cultures, in general, tend to emphasize community rather than individuality. For many Asian cultures, building on the work of others is honored.
That said, it's really irrelevant. We have laws in this country and there are laws in other countries. if Samsung is breaking the law and illegally copying Apple's product, it is irrelevant whether that is a cultural difference or simply lazy management.

I'd have to agree

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I disagree.

 

  • Are you saying a pad of paper is synonymous with notes? I would think an icon showing a pen and pad would be an alternative that doesn't look like Apple's icon.
  • Apple used a silhouette on an address book to represent contacts. Is a silhouette the only way to show this?
  • Why do gears have to be used to show settings?
  • Regarding the music icon, it could have been any note. Even Samsung's note looked different pre and post iPhone, with the new one positioned just like Apple did. They could have easily used the treble clef and staff lines, a pair of headphones with a music note, a musical instrument, etc.

 

The question is, if 100 people were asked to design a logo to represent one of these items, what percentage of people would come up with a graphic so close to what Apple used? Then ask get the same people to design a series of logos to represent several of these items and see how many would come up with a series that looks like Apple's. It's one thing to have one logo that is similar but to have so many? Very unlikely... unless the logos were copied.

 

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Some of those are very obvious. Sunflower for photos? There's no other picture they could have used? And a phone has to be a 1980 vintage handset against a green background? Give me a break.
Others, though, are not so obvious. The messaging icon doesn't impress me as an obvious copy. It seems generic enough. The contacts one also doesn't impress me much - although the binding on the left of the icons is perhaps suggestive. Notes? What else does a note look like? If they had chosen post-it notes, then people would have been complaining about Apple's Stickies. That one looks pretty generic. Settings? Could go either way. The music one also doesn't look like an obvious copy. After all, what represents music more than a couple of notes and a CD?
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Asian cultures, in general, tend to emphasize community rather than individuality. For many Asian cultures, building on the work of others is honored.
That said, it's really irrelevant. We have laws in this country and there are laws in other countries. if Samsung is breaking the law and illegally copying Apple's product, it is irrelevant whether that is a cultural difference or simply lazy management.

Well said and very thoughtful....but I'm leaning towards "lazy management!"

 

One has only to cast one's mind back to the pre-iPhone era...the state of the art at that time was the BB, Treo and/or the Razr...Ugh! Same with the iPad....prior to the iPad we had the MS "swivel" so called tablet that was truly an abomination in every sense of the word....think back to the sony ultra portables and netbooks compared to Apple's MBA.

 

All other companies (and I do mean "all") have used Apple as the blueprint of their designs...they are "reverse" engineering Apple's products only making them cheaper and with clunky sw and basically ripping off the consumer! ;)


Edited by christopher126 - 8/6/12 at 8:27pm
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