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At the risk of sounding "racist," does anyone disagree, that Asian companies find it easier to "copy" than "innovate?" There, I said it.

I don't think race or any form of genetics plays a factor. I will say that there are cultures that see copyright infringement differently, but that can be said about the UK and US, too, even in regards to the current proceedings.

So if we look at culture, which includes the laws within a culture, I think we can find more stealing if you look at it from a Western PoV. But that's a single PoV. What we have to do is look at it from within a culture to see if it's considered stealing from within a particular culture. That is already something that is common in the US when it comes to digital downloads. This comic helps explains some of the issues involved...

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Samsung - the stupidest company on Earth - ROFLMAO!

And yet they are the only Android-based vendor that is making any money and they are making a lot. In fact, they are making so much money that even if they are hit with the assumed $2.5B penalty from this lawsuit they'll still have made a lot more, have ingrained themselves and learned to create some quality products along the way by copying Apple's strategy. For better or worse it seems unlikely that Samsung will be worse off for their "stupid" decisions.

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I don't think race or any form of genetics plays a factor. I will say that there are cultures that see copyright infringement differently, but that can be said about the UK and US, too, even in regards to the current proceedings.
So if we look at culture, which includes the laws within a culture, I think we can find more stealing if you look at it from a Western PoV. But that's a single PoV. What we have to do is look at it from within a culture to see if it's considered stealing from within a particular culture. That is already something that is common in the US when it comes to digital downloads. This comic helps explains some of the issues involved...

Solip...always an intelligent argument...but I think the facts are against you...look at Korea's, Japan's and China's intractability when it came to Apple's imports....Apple thru sheer dominance of design over came said intransigence! :)

 

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WTF...when I try to edit my remarks, I get a blank "reply" box....Ugh! I AI trying to go out of business...does anyone at AI try and use their iPhone on these message boards/ Ugggggggggggh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please tell me i'm not the only one?????????????????????????????????

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I've only had the pleasure of moderating from an iDevice (which really isn't too bad). I've never tried posting from one, but I trust the people who have to relay their experiences as accurately as possible.

 

This just tells me that Huddler needs to really get cracking on their iOS board layout. lol.gif

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post #46 of 101
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I disagree.
  • Are you saying a pad of paper is synonymous with notes? I would think an icon showing a pen and pad would be an alternative that doesn't look like Apple's icon.
  • Apple used a silhouette on an address book to represent contacts. Is a silhouette the only way to show this?
  • Why do gears have to be used to show settings?
  • Regarding the music icon, it could have been any note. Even Samsung's note looked different pre and post iPhone, with the new one positioned just like Apple did. They could have easily used the treble clef and staff lines, a pair of headphones with a music note, a musical instrument, etc.

The question is, if 100 people were asked to design a logo to represent one of these items, what percentage of people would come up with a graphic so close to what Apple used? Then ask get the same people to design a series of logos to represent several of these items and see how many would come up with a series that looks like Apple's. It's one thing to have one logo that is similar but to have so many? Very unlikely... unless the logos were copied.

I don't think that changes anything I said.

Some of the icons are very obvious copies. It will be easy to prove that they were copied - especially if Apple compares them to the standard icons in Android.

Others will be harder to prove. is simply a pair of connected eighth notes protectable? probably not. Is a yellow legal pad protectable? probably not. So Apple has a much higher burden of proof for those icons.

In the end, it won't matter, though. If the icons themselves were protected by trademarks, then copying them is an infringement and Samsung will lose. If the icons were NOT protected by trademarks, then Apple would have to show that Google's copies were nearly identical (like the phone icon) to win. If they are similar, but different, Google may well get off by saying that they were inspired by the Apple icons, but not copies.
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post #47 of 101
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I've only had the pleasure of moderating from an iDevice (which really isn't too bad). I've never tried posting from one, but I trust the people who have to relay their experiences as accurately as possible.

 

This just tells me that Huddler needs to really get cracking on their iOS board layout. lol.gif

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post #48 of 101
Hmm, wonder where Apple got some of those icon ideas from? Oh yeah, stolen from Nokia in 2004 with the 7710, just like the crappy iMessage was a pathetic attempt at stealing BBM.

If you all would stop circle jerking and actually look into history, you would find that there isn't a single thing on the iphone that is original. Not even the design.

So pull up a Google search of Nokia 7710 From 2004? Is that a handset in a box? Is that a binder for contacts with the binding on the left? Is that a magnifying glass for search?

Let's go back even further, to say 2002. Let's look at the Blackberry 5810. Uh oh, what is that calendar icon. Surely Apple wasn't influenced by that. And that 'To-Do' list looks suspiciously like the reminders icon. And that Airplane mode icon def had no impact on the iOS Airplane mode icon.

Speaking of a grid of icons for an OS? I thought Apple invented that, because they invented everything.

When you people wake up and do a little research and maybe think for yourselves, you might actually snap out of that 'reality distortion field'. Well, some of you anyway. Apple took other peoples ideas, now they are suing claiming them as their own ideas. Can't stand the hypocrisy.
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Well said and very thoughtful....but I'm leaning towards "lazy management!"

 

 

This is what I'd point to, and unimaginative. Samsung's corporate culture perhaps.


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post #51 of 101
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Hmm, wonder where Apple got some of those icon ideas from? Oh yeah, stolen from Nokia in 2004 with the 7710, just like the crappy iMessage was a pathetic attempt at stealing BBM.

If you all would stop circle jerking and actually look into history, you would find that there isn't a single thing on the iphone that is original. Not even the design.

So pull up a Google search of Nokia 7710 From 2004? Is that a handset in a box? Is that a binder for contacts with the binding on the left? Is that a magnifying glass for search?

Let's go back even further, to say 2002. Let's look at the Blackberry 5810. Uh oh, what is that calendar icon. Surely Apple wasn't influenced by that. And that 'To-Do' list looks suspiciously like the reminders icon. And that Airplane mode icon def had no impact on the iOS Airplane mode icon.

Speaking of a grid of icons for an OS? I thought Apple invented that, because they invented everything.

When you people wake up and do a little research and maybe think for yourselves, you might actually snap out of that 'reality distortion field'. Well, some of you anyway. Apple took other peoples ideas, now they are suing claiming them as their own ideas. Can't stand the hypocrisy.

At last - a spirited defense of Samsung. Oh, hang on, maybe not. Just another tirade that Apple copied first. Except those icons are quite different. Well, never mind. Carry on.
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Solip...always an intelligent argument...but I think the facts are against you...look at Korea's, Japan's and China's intractability when it came to Apple's imports....Apple thru sheer dominance of design over came said intransigence! 1smile.gif

Sure, but those cultures are intertwined. We know how these countries came together and when. We know how they've interacted over the generations.

Take the way Asian businessmen dress. That is western influence. Take the way many newer countries have adopted laws that are based on the US system. And while I can't think of any examples offhand I'm certain it has gone the other way, too. My point is that what you're seeing is mostly likely entirely culture based. That means it can change, even within a generation, if a culture (as a whole) feels that it best suits their needs to change.

As we move toward a more unified world with instant communication I don't see how our cultures won't help but intertwine even more than they already have. There will be move change from the dominate culture but we all will share, adapt and grow from each other. I think it's a beautiful thing. I also think that what Samsung is doing, while I don't agree with it, doesn't inherently mean it's bad or evil simply because I don't agree with it. That's the funny thing about culture: you don't have to like it but you do have to accept it. However, in the US Samsung has to deal with US laws that were constructed by the reigning cultural dynamics so they have to deal with it, too, even if they don't like it.

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it's odd that after 5 years since the iPhone was launched they decided to switch to a system that wasn't compatible with the iPhone.

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post #54 of 101
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Here's the kicker, though: Is it the quality of the knock-off that determines the outcome or is it the fact that they (blatantly) ARE knockoffs?

 

Similarity to the original is the determining factor. The "messaging" icon is sufficiently different. The most problematic ones are the Phone icon, maybe the "Notes" icon (but is it different enough IMO), the "address book" is probably going to be a problem, and the "music" icon could be a problem. Designs that directly lift elements and merely change the background color or background texture, for example, are definite problems.

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it's odd that after 5 years since the iPhone was launched they decided to switch to a system that wasn't compatible with the iPhone.

 

Sing it, brother.

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This is what I'd point to, and unimaginative. Samsung's corporate culture perhaps.

 

Laziness on the part of the designers. They were probably told, without any real direction, "make some icons that look like these... and you have one hour for each one".

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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Exactly. You can show note taking many different ways. I took notes on plain white paper. 

 

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Go to Google and type in the following searches (search for "images").

 

notes icons

telephone icons

contacts icons

messaging icons

 

There are numerous different examples for these, which makes Samsung look even worse. ...

 

It may be interesting to see the Android-standard icons, for comparison.  Visit this page and scroll down to image titled "Standard Launcher Icons".  I know that many Android deployments don't use these, but they are the standard.  My first-generation Droid used them, and I don't think it's the only one.  Note that they don't look a thing like Apple's standard icons.  For example

 

  • The dialer (row 3, column 5) is a blue square with a white handset, at a 45-degree angle (vs. Apple's -45-degree orientation).  Looks much more like the icon found on Bell Telephone pay phones than Apple's icon
  • The Gallery (Android's picture viewer) (row 2, column 3) is a rectangle showing the silhouette of a mountain against a yellow-brown gradient sunset
  • The text message icon (row 3 column 3) is the green rectangular speech bubble with a smiley emoticon that Samsung used.  But I don't think it's that similar to Apple's icon
  • There is no standard Android Notes app, so no icon here.
  • The contacts (row 1 column 6) is an image of three white "rolodex" cards with an android silhouette

 

But this isn't the only alternative.  On my Motorola Atrix phone (using Motorola's "MotoBlur" UI), (sorry, I don't have an available link to the images) the icons are all clearly based on the Android-standard iconography::

 

  • The dialer is a green square with a white human silhouette, with a phone handset covering it at about a -10-degree angle
  • The gallery is a gray square with photo-tabs in two corners, showing a brown mountain range with a blue sky above
  • The text messaging is a blue speech bubble with a white "smile" emoticon overlayed
  • The contacts is two blue rolodex cards with a human silhouette

 

and then there are more general similarities.  Samsung's icons are generally objects on round-rect backgrounds, like all of Apple's.  Android-standard icons tend to be either on square backgrounds, or without a background (with the object itself defining the icon outline.)

 

I don't think every one of Apple's examples is a good one, but it seems clear that Samsung intended to copy Apple.  If they were just being lazy, they would've used the Andoid-standard icons or designed something similar.

 

And if they were trying to be original, there are plenty of ways to represent these concepts.  We've already seen plenty of examples just in this discussion.

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Sure, but those cultures are intertwined. We know how these countries came together and when. We know how they've interacted over the generations.
Take the way Asian businessmen dress. That is western influence. Take the way many newer countries have adopted laws that are based on the US system. And while I can't think of any examples offhand I'm certain it has gone the other way, too. My point is that what you're seeing is mostly likely entirely culture based. That means it can change, even within a generation, if a culture (as a whole) feels that it best suits their needs to change.
As we move toward a more unified world with instant communication I don't see how our cultures won't help but intertwine even more than they already have. There will be move change from the dominate culture but we all will share, adapt and grow from each other. I think it's a beautiful thing. I also think that what Samsung is doing, while I don't agree with it, doesn't inherently mean it's bad or evil simply because I don't agree with it. That's the funny thing about culture: you don't have to like it but you do have to accept it. However, in the US Samsung has to deal with US laws that were constructed by the reigning cultural dynamics so they have to deal with it, too, even if they don't like it.

Again, Solip...well said and "in a perfect world......"

 

If you or I were caught in a "lie," we would feel humiliated and shamed.....Samsung on the other hand, would just think they messed up their processes/negotiations....I think it is naive to espouse western morals and values on asian/middl eastern cultures. One only has to go to a bazaar to learn that! Again, don't mean to sound ethnocentric....but in the cold light of day, it is what it is! :)

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Sure, but those cultures are intertwined....

With all due respect... not quite so sure about your premise. Like most cultures, the vietnamese "hate" the Chinese, the South Korean's distrust the North Koreans, etc., etc.

 

Rather like Northern Ireland has a problem with the south or Israel has a problem with Arabs when essentially they are basically the same people or "peoples...." Could you tell the difference between a tutsi and a hutu? Me neither!  :)

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At last - a spirited defense of Samsung. Oh, hang on, maybe not. Just another tirade that Apple copied first. Except those icons are quite different. Well, never mind. Carry on.
'Except those icons are quite different'

Look plenty similar to me. In fact, I would say the similarities are about the same as Samsung's are to iOS. Oh wait, this is the typical Apple defense. Where Apple has invented everything and to be shown examples where they didn't invent something is just ignored. We'll call that getting 'Judge K oh'ed. You know, throw out any evidence that disproves anything Apple says.

I can't wait for 2013 to get here and Google/Samsung sue the crap out of Apple for patent infringement on the Notification Center/banners and utilizing LTE in the new iPhone. It will also be interesting to see if Sony/LG can produce screens that fanboi'smwon't be crying about. The next year should give me a few chuckles. Can't wait for the whining to begin.
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With all due respect... not quite so sure about your premise. Like most cultures, the vietnamese "hate" the Chinese, the South Korean's distrust the North Koreans, etc., etc.

Rather like Northern Ireland has a problem with the south or Israel has a problem with Arabs when essentially they are basically the same people or "peoples...." Could you tell the difference between a tutsi and a hutu? Me neither!  1smile.gif

Uhh, South Korea doesn't trust North Korea, because the leadership are made up of wacko's. And Koreans have a distrust of Japanese because of the invasion prior to WWII. The Irish issue has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with religion.

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With all due respect... not quite so sure about your premise. Like most cultures, the vietnamese "hate" the Chinese, the South Korean's distrust the North Koreans, etc., etc.

Rather like Northern Ireland has a problem with the south or Israel has a problem with Arabs when essentially they are basically the same people or "peoples...." Could you tell the difference between a tutsi and a hutu? Me neither!  1smile.gif

But those are learned biases. That means they can be unlearned or not taught at all. Just as certain people hate certain sports teams it's a cultural phenomenon. Sometimes it radiates through an entire nation and other times it's just a subculture, but it's all learned. There has been absolutely no proof that there are different "races" that define entire groups as being more intelligent, less intelligent, more honest or less honest than any other Homo sapiens on the planet.


PS: Are we even having the same discussion? It occurs to me that we might not.
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Laziness on the part of the designers. They were probably told, without any real direction, "make some icons that look like these... and you have one hour for each one".

 

They would do as their art director asks, who is in-turn instructed by management.

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At last - a spirited defense of Samsung. Oh, hang on, maybe not. Just another tirade that Apple copied first. Except those icons are quite different. Well, never mind. Carry on.
'Except those icons are quite different'

Look plenty similar to me. In fact, I would say the similarities are about the same as Samsung's are to iOS. Oh wait, this is the typical Apple defense. Where Apple has invented everything and to be shown examples where they didn't invent something is just ignored. We'll call that getting 'Judge K oh'ed. You know, throw out any evidence that disproves anything Apple says.

I can't wait for 2013 to get here and Google/Samsung sue the crap out of Apple for patent infringement on the Notification Center/banners and utilizing LTE in the new iPhone. It will also be interesting to see if Sony/LG can produce screens that fanboi'smwon't be crying about. The next year should give me a few chuckles. Can't wait for the whining to begin.

Ah yes - the "Apple is doomed" gambit. Always next year of course. Keep dreaming.
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What I think is irrelevant. What matters is what Apple can prove. And some of these are going to be harder to prove than others.

 

What Apple is proving that in large AND small details of appearance AND action, Samsung is overall copying Apple's trade dress. Before Apple the usual iconigraphy for music throughout the twentieth century was a five line treble clef with notes. To boil that down to a single bridged note (with the bridge on top) didn't happen until Apple did it. FACT: Do a Google of "music symbols" and then click on images. Apple's bridged note is a minor symbol within the whole offering.

 

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Legal pad is yellow paper ...no way around that one

Most people use sticky notes (unlined), most students use white paper with blue lines, note cards are white with blue lines. Even some legal pads are "eye ease" light green.

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According to The Verge one of Apple's expert witness faltered under cross examination from Samsung.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/6/3223372/peter-bressler-testimony-apple-samsung-trial

 

Samsung's lawyers beat on the witness for HOURS. From what I've heard, he stood up reasonably well. My source was Forbes. So, I guess a writer can spin it however one wants.

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  • The dialer (row 3, column 5) is a blue square with a white handset, at a 45-degree angle (vs. Apple's -45-degree orientation).  Looks much more like the icon found on Bell Telephone pay phones than Apple's icon

 

  • The dialer is a green square with a white human silhouette, with a phone handset covering it at about a -10-degree angle

 

I don't think every one of Apple's examples is a good one, but it seems clear that Samsung intended to copy Apple.  If they were just being lazy, they would've used the Andoid-standard icons or designed something similar.

 

And if they were trying to be original, there are plenty of ways to represent these concepts.  We've already seen plenty of examples just in this discussion.

 

I can tell you from experience, that all mobile phones made prior to the iPhone only had two constants:

"Green" for Dial, and "Red" for end call. That's because these were physical buttons.

 

My Nokia N95, which came out the same year or so as the iPhone has this:

1. Contacts - Blue address book, which looks like a white analog telephone receiver on it

2. Messaging - Envelope, yellow

3. Maps - Green Compass

4. Music - A beige file folder with a squareish-speaker icon, two eighth notes on it

5. Gallery - Film-strip with a single eighth-note

6. Video Center - A television screen with a circle orbiting it

7. Search - A magnifying lens over earth (over Europe)

8. Web - Earth (Atlantic ocean centered)

9. Games - N-gage

10. Tools - A beige file folder with a wrench on it

11. Applications - A beige file folder with a red square on it

12. Ovi Store - A blue shopping bag (BTW this has a simiar shape to the Nintendo 3DS's store icon)

 

In side the Applications folder

1. Clock - Analog clock

2. Calculator - 3 digit digital calculator icon

3. Calendar - a flip calendar with the day on it

4. App manager - 4 3D cubes

5. Camera - A camera icon (with the round lens in the middle)

Also, inside the "Office" folder, there is a notes Icon which looks like a binder- notepad from the top, similar to the calendar's binder rings.

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Ah yes - the "Apple is doomed" gambit. Always next year of course. Keep dreaming.

Let's be blunt. Do you believe Apple stole iMessage from BBM and the Notification Center/Banners in iOS5 from Android? I won't get into split keyboards, tabbed browsing, wireless syncing, ota updates, lock screen swipe app activation, camera on lockscreen from Windows Phone. iOS is nother but stolen ideas.

So yes or no, did Apple steal these ideas from RIM and Google? I expect you'll say no. Even if I asked if the sky was blue; if it put Apple in a bad light, you'dmsay no.
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Uhh, South Korea doesn't trust North Korea, because the leadership are made up of wacko's. And Koreans have a distrust of Japanese because of the invasion prior to WWII. The Irish issue has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with religion.
Can you tell the difference between a Canadian, a Brit and a Yank? Me neither.

Not to sound pedantic...but I'm a Brit who emigrated to Canada and then emigrated to America....

 

I stand by my premise....Korea/Samsung have a total disregard to America's/Apple's innovations...think about it, would we even have a smart phone if not for Apple's iPhone? No. We all would be using BB's Ugh! iPads? Neyt. MBA's...no just crappy Netbooks. Googlle ripped off iOS, MS is ripping off OSX and Samsung is ripping off the iPad and iPhone! :)

 

 

 

P.S. America is the best country in the world (after Thailand, that is :)

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Legal pad is yellow paper ...no way around that one
Except for the ones they sell that are identical in every respect but are white...well at least my local Office Depot does.

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But those are learned biases. That means they can be unlearned or not taught at all. Just as certain people hate certain sports teams it's a cultural phenomenon. Sometimes it radiates through an entire nation and other times it's just a subculture, but it's all learned. There has been absolutely no proof that there are different "races" that define entire groups as being more intelligent, less intelligent, more honest or less honest than any other Homo sapiens on the planet.
PS: Are we even having the same discussion? It occurs to me that we might not.

Solip...that is exactly my point. Again, not to sound racist...but there are, indeed, cultural differences. This is why America is so clumsy in dealing with the rest of the world. A scrupulous westerner would be mortified to be caught in a lie (do some lie? Absolutely) But the eastern culture uses subterfuge and lying as part of the negotiation process. To think otherwise is naive....no offense.


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The Irish issue has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with religion....
 

errrr. I think it may have to do with a feeling of "occupation" as well...although I agree, religion has a lot to do with it.

 

P.S. On a side note: Why did God invent alcohol?   To stop the Irish from ruling the world! :) no offense! :)

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Let's be blunt. Do you believe Apple stole iMessage from BBM and the Notification Center/Banners in iOS5 from Android? I won't get into split keyboards, tabbed browsing, wireless syncing, ota updates, lock screen swipe app activation, camera on lockscreen from Windows Phone. iOS is nother but stolen ideas.
So yes or no, did Apple steal these ideas from RIM and Google? I expect you'll say no. Even if I asked if the sky was blue; if it put Apple in a bad light, you'dmsay no.
You lot are,really delusional.

 

Stealing the ability to send short messages between 2 iPhones? I don't think Apple stole any such thing. If their implementation of a message system between iPhones/iDevices/Macs is infringing upon RIM patents for messaging between Blackberry devices, then I'm sure Apple will hear about it.

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But those are learned biases. That means they can be unlearned or not taught at all. Just as certain people hate certain sports teams it's a cultural phenomenon. Sometimes it radiates through an entire nation and other times it's just a subculture, but it's all learned. There has been absolutely no proof that there are different "races" that define entire groups as being more intelligent, less intelligent, more honest or less honest than any other Homo sapiens on the planet.
PS: Are we even having the same discussion? It occurs to me that we might not.

Agreed...no one was going to "change" Hitler's mindset in 1936...but perhaps, when he was 3.....? May be.  

 

But I'm talking about the "now!" And the Koreans, Chinese, etc., are not our "friends" or even "business partners." They are rapacious and to think otherwise is, indeed, naive.

 

That's not racist or hateful, but rather the reality. Sorry! :) 

 

Apple needs to disassociate itself with Samsung and Google ASAP! Both are stealing Apple's IP! And so is China for that matter.


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SAMSUNG WHOLESALE RIPPED APPLE OFF.

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At first I was thinking "well, this could go either way… I mean, how else do you represent a phone, a notepad…?" and so on...

 

Until I got to the iTunes icon, and saw the old iTunes logo almost replicated exactly (visually, they aren't far apart at all)… 

 

Still, I thought Samsung might have some wiggle room, might be able to say it wasn't the INTENT to 'copy slavishly'...

 

And then I saw the last one. The "photo" app icon.

 

 

They actually used a flower. And not just a flower, a SUNFLOWER. Of all the representative images possible in all the imaginations of all humanity to represent a PHOTO APP… they picked one that is THE SAME as the one used by Apple.

 

And that sealed the deal for me. It provides an easy conclusion to a clearly visible pattern. They were "closely copying, with only minor variations", across every aspect of the iPhone design, right down to the same flower in a photo app icon...

 

I don't know what else to think.

 

Could culture really possibly explain how far this goes? I don't think so. I lived in Japan for almost 12 years, so I think I understand the nuances of "emulation" that run through the culture there (in the simplest of terms, "you emulate what you admire", explains it mostly)… but this goes pretty far beyond that… this is just plain copying for the sake of "appearing to be the same as or equivalent to…", and that, I suppose, points to clear infringement...


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Asian cultures, in general, tend to emphasize community rather than individuality. For many Asian cultures, building on the work of others is honored.
That said, it's really irrelevant. We have laws in this country and there are laws in other countries. if Samsung is breaking the law and illegally copying Apple's product, it is irrelevant whether that is a cultural difference or simply lazy management.

I'd have to agree with you. Though, making simple icon design changes doesn't really rise to the level of building on the work of others except maybe in the 3rd grade. 
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Had there not been paper making invention by the Chinese around 100 AD, people all over, including "Americans", would have been chugging along "the real tablets" made of stones much like ones brought by Moses as he returned from Mt. Sinai.  Too bad, the Chinese had not patented the idea.

 

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Like the rest of Asia, Koreans obviously struggle for original ideas.
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Asian cultures, in general, tend to emphasize community rather than individuality. For many Asian cultures, building on the work of others is honored.
That said, it's really irrelevant. We have laws in this country and there are laws in other countries. if Samsung is breaking the law and illegally copying Apple's product, it is irrelevant whether that is a cultural difference or simply lazy management.

It's not acceptable to build upon the work of others in Korea. But Korean judges will side with the chaebols all the time. They're the ones who said Lee Kun Hee was "too important for the country to be jailed." I hope Koh doesn't channel her inner cultural roots while presiding over the case.

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Thought I'd mention this:

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[sarcasm]So, it's clear that samsung were copying skype here, you can tell by the angle of the handset.[/sarcasm]

 

Now, I DO think samsung copied apple's icons (too much coincidence). However, I do NOT think apple has a any legitimate claim to many of the icons they are laying a claim to, because they weren't "first".

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What about their software, camera shutter icon. It is not just similar, but the exact same as the iPhone one. And I mean the exact same: same gradient, same shape, same colour, same camera icon on it. It's embarrassing.

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