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Google told reporters today that the future of web search looks identical to Apple's Siri, admitting, "if we are going to build the search of the future, we will have to solve difficult technology issues like speech recognition and natural language."

In a presentation to the media, Google noted that it current services 100 billion queries per month. However, it noted that the future of search will be based on context, not on queries.

To achieve that, Google will need to follow the lead of Apple's Siri, which was designed to figure out the question users were posing, rather than simply finding potential answers to property formed questions.

After Apple introduced Siri as a feature on the iPhone 4S last fall, observers began to realize that if Apple fields users' questions directly, it can replace Google as the middleman for all sorts of information that Google currently monetizes with paid search results.

Apple's Siri also integrates in particular with services like Yelp and Wolfram Alpha, which provide information on local businesses and general knowledge in ways that cut Google out of the picture entirely.

Google added voice-based question and answer services to Android 4.1, but the race to add new features to the Android platform is complicated by the fact that new versions have very slow adoption, in large part because Google's partners have little incentive to provide updates to their customers.

According to Google's own data from August 1, only 0.8% of Android users visiting its Google Play app market are on the latest Android 4.1 "Jelly Bean" release.

A full 80 percent of the active user base are suck with a version of Android 2.x, which came out 2010.

In contrast, Apple just noted that 80 percent of iOS users are running the latest iOS 5. Apple has also sold more Siri-capable iPhone 4S units than all of its previous generation of iPhone combined.

To get its own Siri-like features in front of users, Google will be releasing its Voice Search" feature for iOS as a third party app "within the next couple of days," noting that it submitted the app "a week or so" ago.



The app appears nearly identical in appearance to Siri (above), something that could trigger issues with Apple approving the title in the App Store.

Apple could also refuse to approve the app under its policy of blocking third party apps that substantial replace existing bundled apps, something the company says it does to avoid "user confusion."

Apple previously held up approval of Google Voice for over a year, and kept Google's Latitude friend finder app in limbo for two years as it considered the features. This left Google to rely upon web app alternatives to native titles in the App Store.
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There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.


Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.

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Wasn't Google's response when Siri was introduced that having a voice assistant was the wrong approach for mobile phones? Isn't this exactly what their appt is?

And why on earth would someone using an iPhone opt for a third party app that offers nothing new over the integrated iOS functionality? Talk about a waste of time ...
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And why on earth would someone using an iPhone opt for a third party app that offers nothing new over the integrated iOS functionality?

 

It probably works on the 3GS, 4, and first- and second-gen iPads.

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There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.


Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.

uhhh, that icon was used since BEFORE siri. Ever heard of voice actions? Yep, same mic. Been using that mic FOR YEARS.

 

But of course, all you are aware of is Apple products, therefore would not be aware of that and would assume everything apple does, Apple does first. 

 

Hope you don't go saying Samsung is following Apple by increasing the size of their phone screens next year. 

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A full 80 percent of the active user base are suck with a version of Android 2.x, which came out 2010.

That's a mean thing to say about them.
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Originally Posted by sleepy3 View Post
uhhh, that icon was used since BEFORE siri. Ever heard of voice actions? Yep, same mic. Been using that mic FOR YEARS.

 

They've also been using the same AI-based OS actions engine for years, have they? I thought so. 


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That's a mean thing to say about them.

 

Think of it as user base of phones, not the people themselves. lol.gif

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Google added voice-based question and answer services to Android 4.1, but the race to add new features to the Android platform is complicated by the fact that new versions have very slow adoption, in large part because Google's partners have little incentive to provide updates to their customers.
The app appears nearly identical in appearance to Siri (above, a photo published by The Verge), something that could trigger issues with Apple approving the title in the App Store.

Ohh Google. If you only would had dedicated your time in the past 5 years to just building a better search you wouldn't be now behind Apple at your own thing, which IS search. But no, you had to dedicate yourself to IMITATE. Imitate a mobile OS, imitate the features of that mobile OS, imitate the icons of the mobile OS. Now you are behind on Maps and, probably in the near future, search. As long as you keep imitating, you will always be behind, even on what you do best -for now-.

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And why on earth would someone using an iPhone opt for a third party app that offers nothing new over the integrated iOS functionality? Talk about a waste of time ...

 

Surely you are aware that Google Now is MUCH more than just question and answer. It actually gives you information without you having to ask since it understands what you like, where you work, where you drop off your kids, your fav team, where you live, what bus you take, what train you take....it KNOWS you. 

 

Of course, some people have privacy issues with it, obviously, but its opt in. You can choose to ask siri about the same thing everyday, if the train is on time, what the weather is, who won the game, etc

 

OR you can have Google Now give you these things automatically without you doing a thing. 

 

Well....that is if the google search feature is Google Now functionality, and not just search functionality. If it is just search, well then yeah, i see your point. The only advantage would be speed, as many youtube tests have shown Google voice search is faster and more natural sounding. 

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There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.


Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.

I suppose they could have used a sunflower. . .

 

Anyway, they've been using the same general "microphone" symbol to designate voice search for quite awhile AFAIK. It's the same as the one Chrome uses. Not unlike showing a handset for phone calls or a letter for email, it's just the natural symbol to use isn't it? It's certainly not identical to Apple's.

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Google copycat siri now? not just samsung? is that a new standar?

another hit to inovator Apple

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While I'm as much of an Apple fag as it gets, I'm glad to see Google interact with third parties and hope that the app doesn't get rejected, it just sucks that they're only realizing the potential now that Apple is finally disconnecting from them rather than before launching Android.  An Apple-Google partnership could have done wonders for both companies.

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They've also been using the same AI-based OS actions engine for years, have they? I thought so. 

 

 

 

Since i don't work for them, I wouldn't know. But seeing as I responded to your comment about the mic, i don't see how it is relevant. 

 

That's like saying that me bringing up "Sure, and Apple had 4-inch screens on their phones for years right"

Or "And apple had drop down menus on their phones for years"

Or "And Apple had multi-tasking for years"

Or "And Apple did maps for years"

Or" And Apple had NFC for years"

Or "And Apple had burst shot camera modes for years"

Or "And Apple had 4G LTE for years"

 

But I don't see what it would have to do with a post made by a forum member about a MIC. 

 

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According to Google's own data from August 1, only 0.8% of Android users visiting its Google Play app market are on the latest Android 4.1 "Jelly Bean" release.
A full 80 percent of the active user base are suck with a version of Android 2.x, which came out 2010.
In contrast, Apple just noted that 80 percent of iOS users are running the latest iOS 5.
 

One of the many reasons I love Apple. I have a 3gs (still rocks) and even though I can't use features like Siri it still feels as fresh as the day I got it because I am able to run iOS 5 and the majority of features on it. Also speaks to the quality of Apple's hardware that the screen is majorly cracked but still functions perfectly.

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They've also been using the same AI-based OS actions engine for years, have they? I thought so. 

They aren't using a Siri imitation now. Google's implementation isn't AI based, and at least with the Android version the recognition is done on the handset without a need for a network connection. Of course that's not of any benefit if the results you need are only available on the web.

 

In any event Apple and Google are using two different approaches to voice recognition and search, even tho they may accomplish some of the same tasks.


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An Apple-Google partnership could have done wonders for both companies.

 

It's a real shame Google had to stab Apple in the back twelve thousand times, isn't it?

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Wasn't Google's response when Siri was introduced that having a voice assistant was the wrong approach for mobile phones? Isn't this exactly what their appt is?
And why on earth would someone using an iPhone opt for a third party app that offers nothing new over the integrated iOS functionality? Talk about a waste of time ...

Because....Apple bought Siri and then neutered it to only work on the iPhone 4S. So perhaaaaaps....someone who is using a 3GS or iPhone 4 might have use of the program....Hardly a waste of time. 

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Google says voice is the future of web search

 

 

. . . after Apple shows everyone how it's the future of everything else. 

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another hit to inovator Apple

Yeah, what's next? 

 

They gonna start making 7 inch tablets to compete with the ipad mini which came first?

Or are they gonna make a 4-inch screen to compete with the iphone 5, which had the big screen first?

Or are they gonna make a TV to compete with the iTV, which came first?

 

All great Apple products which were ripped off by Google and their partners using and their time machine. lol.gif

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All great Apple products which were ripped off by Google and their partners using and their time machine. lol.gif

 

Stop playing dumb. You'd think after 200+ posts you'd realize you probably don't belong here.

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When was the last original idea out of Google?

 

More than anything else, this looks like a panicked reaction to Siri routing search away from Google and their ads.

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There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.


Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.

Apple wasn't the first to use that particular style of icon to represent a microphone. Get over it.

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Siri has only been out a matter of months, but the capacity to rapidly upgrade its functions is the more exciting basis. I myself used to program a voice controlled computer as a job, and I watched as companies like IBM struggled to make it work with accents and such, without pre-training recognition by the software algorithms to recognize how YOU say a word compared to others.

 

Google has certainly used what was possible in the past to build their giant map data base, on less than current technology of today. A stunning job they did too. Google did make maps, but they boxed themselves into an expensive corner to get out of, because of the now outdated technology. The business decisions were the best at the time, but the software and hardware people at Apple don't just bring us the best possible at the time. They invent a whole new level of possible. What Apple does, no one else has brought to us. President Kennedy said 'we aren't going to the moon because it's easy. We're going to the moon because it's hard.'

 

It's unfortunate that Google has been proven repeatedly in court to concentrate on 'taking over and profits' somewhat more than making a better world. Too bad they spied on everyone and violated numerous federal and international laws deliberately, secretly, repeatedly, and lied in court, violated their binding legal court agreement, and conspired to help their Android phone makers, like HTC, attack Apple. Unfortunate that the lady who was in charge of the mapping department, while these years long and various criminal efforts were underway, is now the CEO of Yahoo. A shame over 20 countries have sued Google for this, or maybe not.


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. What Apple does, no one else has brought to us.

You realize that Apple BOUGHT Siri, right? They didn't bring Siri to us...we already had it and then Apple artifically limited what handsets it would work on.

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…we already had it and then Apple artificially limited what handsets it would work on.

 

While greatly expanding what it does. Get over it.

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Ohh Google. If you only would had dedicated your time in the past 5 years to just building a better search you wouldn't be now behind Apple at your own thing, which IS search. But no, you had to dedicate yourself to IMITATE. Imitate a mobile OS, imitate the features of that mobile OS, imitate the icons of the mobile OS. Now you are behind on Maps and, probably in the near future, search. As long as you keep imitating, you will always be behind, even on what you do best -for now-.

The fact that Google went in the Android direction has been bad for both Google and Apple. Android isn't making much money for Google, costs a lot, and Google is missing a lot of opportunities for collaboration with Apple. And Apple loses out by distancing themselves from Google search and Google Maps, which are what Google is really good at. Plus the kinds of databases that Google has created, including ones that let it do things like translate languages well, are exactly what's needed to do speech recognition better. And Google's well-indexed copies of all the world's data give it a big leg up in the coming AI wars.

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It probably works on the 3GS, 4, and first- and second-gen iPads.

It may also be useful outside of the US.

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While greatly expanding what it does. Get over it.

How about not changing my name when quoting me. 

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How about not changing my name when quoting me. 

 

Ah, Mountain Lion.

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another hit to inovator Apple

Yeah, what's next? 

 

They gonna start making 7 inch tablets to compete with the ipad mini which came first?

Or are they gonna make a 4-inch screen to compete with the iphone 5, which had the big screen first?

Or are they gonna make a TV to compete with the iTV, which came first?

 

All great Apple products which were ripped off by Google and their partners using and their time machine. lol.gif

 

Making a 7" tablet isn't really hard or particularly innovative. The hard part is making one a success. 

 

Bagging on Apple for keeping the 4" displays to maintain application usability and compatibility is ignorant. Their methodical selection of displays and careful adaptations for changes is one of the reasons they have been so successful. Android has suffered immensely as an ecosystem due to differentiation among devices and manufacturers. 

 

In some ways I see Apple as a "micro-innovator" on hardware, software, and systems. The small refinements that they make to their products end up being quite substantial over time. This goes for everything such as usability, performance, and even to features like AirTunes and it's evolution to AirPlay, etc. While you can argue that even these are not revelations, or sometimes not even first to market, they end up being ubiquitous across most of Apple's products which provides immense value to users of their product ecosystems.  

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The fact that Google went in the Android direction has been bad for both Google and Apple. Android isn't making much money for Google, costs a lot, and Google is missing a lot of opportunities for collaboration with Apple. And Apple loses out by distancing themselves from Google search and Google Maps, which are what Google is really good at. Plus the kinds of databases that Google has created, including ones that let it do things like translate languages well, are exactly what's needed to do speech recognition better. And Google's well-indexed copies of all the world's data give it a big leg up in the coming AI wars.

Apple didn't have to start the lawsuits. They could swallowed their pride. "They copied! No, they copied!" The time and effort wasted on these lawsuits is just silly Now, as you said, they are going to loose out on much of what Google has to offer.

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Google can't do shit on  their own. They just copy just like those koreans.

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Google has been in voice search for quite awhile. I don't think it is fair to say they are copying Apple this time. I use Google voice search on iOS all the time instead of Siri because it works better especially if you are interested in just searching Google instead of letting Siri decide where to search. It also works in Spanish. google translate is also really worth having if you need voice translation. So Google does voice quite well. They don't need to copy anyone in this area.

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There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.


Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.

 

For a moderator, you certainly have a talent of setting a negative tone to almost every discussion. It's like your trolling in safer waters rather than going over to a non-Apple centric site to make biased arguments.

 

And as usual, your comment is sidetracking the topic and doesn't contribute constructive discussion. Who's moderating you?

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Voice input isn't particularly original. The Google iOS Search app had voice input, before the iPhone 4S. Of course, Siri can do more. But the article is about Google saying voice is the future of web search, by which I assume they mean "natural language processing is the future of web search," which I would agree with. As long as it doesn't suck, or there is a way to correct the search when the results are not what you want. Right now, Google's heuristics algorithm does a pretty good job of interpreting ambiguous search terms, but when it goes wrong, and gives you an interpretation that you did not intend, it is damn near impossible to correct.

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It's a real shame Google had to stab Apple in the back twelve thousand times, isn't it?

What I find interesting is they always put Apple's products in their ads. They don't use a Galaxy Nexus S for example or any of the leading Android devices. That says to me the people at Google are willing to admit who deserves the credit. I think Google's motivation is not to damage Apple but do what they do with Chrome. Take a core product from Apple and offer it to a wider audience than Apple's philosophy allows. Webkit is now the world's most popular rendering engine and the world is better off for it.

Despite competing with Apple, I'm happier that Google will satisfy this audience than Microsoft.
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And as usual, your comment is sidetracking the topic and doesn't contribute constructive discussion.

 

Ah, like yours, you mean. And unlike mine, which highlighted the similarities in this software to Apple's, making yet another comment on the fact that every single other company in this industry refuses to do their own frigging thing.

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I like it, especially the speed. The "let me check my sources" and "blah blah" fillers siri throws out while it's waiting for a result are very irritating.

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The "let me check my sources" and "blah blah" fillers siri throws out while it's waiting for a result are very irritating.

 

You'd rather someone not respond to you at all when you ask them a question? That's rude, you know.

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Wasn't Google's response when Siri was introduced that having a voice assistant was the wrong approach for mobile phones? Isn't this exactly what their appt is?
And why on earth would someone using an iPhone opt for a third party app that offers nothing new over the integrated iOS functionality? Talk about a waste of time ...

Only Apple must be criticized when it performs a head-fake.

Apparently only 'open' includes permission to adjust course.


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