Half of the TV audience mistook Samsung Galaxy Tab for iPad in ads - Page 4

Kind of an odd post given your nic name.

You're awesome!

Are you Apple ][?

How far above everyone else are you? If you're so advanced let me know. Perhaps I'll pay for your IQ test. However, if I pay for it I hold ownership and will post it on this site often.
Edited by Vadania - 8/9/12 at 2:29am

Let's see this example in real life.

 

Most tech-savvy people are probably not fashion savvy. Let me ask you. What's the difference between a 2000$ Fendi purse at Nordstoms and a 99$ Fendi purse from walmart? Why would you want to spend so much money on the Fendi when the one at walmart does all the same things (stores your money, phone, lipgloss, etc)  ? 

 

Walmart has done this ( http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2007-06-07-walmart-fendi_N.htm ) Now why would a company go out of it's way to make fake purses if it wouldn't fool anyone? The keyword here is "fool." Next time you see a friend who has a luxury brand item (Hermes, Louis Vuitton, Fendi, Chloe, etc) ask them where they bought it. If they tell you eBay or Chinatown, it's certainly a fake. Do they care? No, they just want to say they have that luxury brand. Not that different from people saying Apple is expensive, but oh here's something that looks exactly the same for less.

 

(Counterfeits are usually made with PVC or PU, not real leather, and mass produced in China. )

 

So back to Samsung, maybe their goal was to fool carriers and stores into carrying their devices and saying they're iPads. We already know that electronic stores that have commissioned sales staff push the products with the highest commissions. So passing off Samsung's devices as "cheaper iPads and iPhones" to people who think an "iPad" is what a Tablet is called and iPhone is what a smartphone is called. 

 

As for trademark dilution, there are certainly cases where trademarks become somewhat genericized, but that's usually not because of competition, but rather the brand of the competitors is forgettable or confusing. If someone on the street asked you for a "Galaxy" would you know that they meant a phone or tablet?

The point is of course that 'copying a style' isn't copying at all in a legal sense, unless they use the same name and logo.

 

J.

Not necessarily true. Confusion of consumers is a concern. Remember that cabbage patch kids fiasco? When Dr. Joyce Brothers was brought in as an expert witness?

You're displaying your IQ with such a post. No test req'd.

What we see being revealed in this trial is precisely why companies prefer to settle. Apple is forced to unmask past prototypes and steps in its design process. Samsung is forced to reveal embarrassing analysis it conducted. What will be the net gain or loss for each?

Who's living  in the cave? You believe most people care about this sort of stuff. I was rather surprised 65% do know.

The amount of money is not the issue.

What Apple wants out of this is for Samsung to stop copying and for the court to rule that Samsung illegally copied their designs and infringed their patents. Samsung has already started to move away from the iPad and iPhone slavish copies, so Apple can get the first part without a court decision. I expect that Samsung will settle rather than risk getting a court decision that they illegally copied a competitor (and the evidence so far is pretty convincing).


Yes, you can bury your head in the sand if you wish and pretend that it's all the public's fault. But ask yourself - when was the last time someone wanted bought a Ford but thought they were buying a Honda? When was the last time someone flew on American but thought they were flying on United?

Samsung has made an obvious attempt to copy Apple's designs so exactly as to foster confusion. Not only did their tablets look almost exactly like the iPad and their phones looked almost exactly like the iPhone, but they even made their packaging and cables look nearly identical. Heck, until the latest "Apple users are sheep" ads, they even made their ads similar. EVEN IF you accept that only idiots would confuse the two (which is clearly a false assumption since even Samsung's attorneys couldn't tell the difference), Samsung's deliberate attempts to confuse consumers by making the products nearly identical is wrong and should be punished. And the way the court case is going, they probably WILL be punished.

 

No, I don't remember that.

If a product is clearly branded and has a minimal form - as is the case for tablets - its very hard to make a court case out of it.

The 'evidence' presented is extremely weak, remember that all cars look the same from a distance, especially for the untrained eye, and nobody is complaining about that.

Also, car design features are heavily 'borrowed', but nobody is complaining about that; only if you add false logos and advertise it as a car from another brand you will get into trouble.

And nobody with a feel for aesthetics will mistake a Samsung for an Apple.

Case closed. 

 

J.

Exactly. But are you agreeing or disagreeing?

I believe in evolution because the scientific data is overwhelming to show that the theory is true. There is also a definition for a belief system, such as religion, but they are both defined as beliefs. There is nothing metaphysical about the first definition.

I think I see what you're getting at but the OAD3 shows that the word belief is more than just for something that can't be proven. I also know of no scientific designation that would specify a difference in the way that hypothesis and theory are unique terms and yet used interchangeably in colloquial speak.
Edited by SolipsismX - 8/9/12 at 6:11am

OK - you are distinguishing between those kinds of belief. Fair enough, but Im not sure the distinction really exists. A key element of belief is that it does not require knowledge or evidence to sustain it (as we see ubiquitously), and by corollary, it can be impervious to contrary evidence. That's my reason for rejecting it as a part of the scientific method.

The chump from Best Buy could also talk real fast, flash a flat electronic device and say, "you want one of these, right?" and the customer could say "yeh, yeh" and walk out of the store with a Touchpad.  This is just like the Pepsi Test Challenge, designed to confuse the consumer so they would think it is comparable or equal to the leading brand.

Thank goodness for Apple that same "stupid" gene pool statistically would make up the jury...makes the win that much easier...

funny thing, i think that attack was deleted... (i read it quoted in another post)

why insult someone, then take it back?...
BTW, the moderators are REAL people not a computer... so your "turing test" to see of the mods are real, is a bad idea... not to mention your posts(dasanman69) if deleted might not be missed...

why would you be kidding about a personal attack on a moderator? "just don't do it" to paraphrase the "NIKE" slogan....

That is one definition of belief. I no longer have access to the OED online ($295 per annum) so I can't look to see which usage came first but I don't think it matters as the result would just bring into a more philosophical disussion.

Now with, say, hypothesis and theory, or melt and dissolve these are terms that are used interchangeably in the demotic but have very precise usage and meanings in a scientific setting. I'm just not seeing that with belief for even if there are facts to back up your position you still have to believe it is real. The facts are just the justification for your beliefs. It's in the Bible. :D


"In order to know that a given proposition is true, one must not only believe the relevant true proposition, but one must also have justification for doing so." ~Plato

resemble NOT resent . i think "Dickprinter" response is one of the funnier ones.

any way, from a previous post that "Dickprinter" posted in response to his name, he is/was a printer by trade and has richard as a name...

now that i have explained the joke, i just killed it. LOL

 

Assuming that you mean switching from Android to BB10, I think that would be an unmitigated disaster for Samsung.  Business is going great for them, in spite of their illegal behavior and the likelihood that they'll get punished for it.  They can afford to pay a fine now and some royalties to Apple going forward.  They can't afford to ditch the girl (Android) that got them into the dance (smartphones, etc) to try a fling with the new girl (Blackberry).

 

If Samsung does buy RIM, I think it will be to capture some more IP that they can either use in their products or, at a minimum, as protection for lawsuits going forward.

 

Thompson

 

Then stop copying and innovate.  M'kay?

I didn't attack anyone especially not a moderator. I called Champ a dummy and called him chump but it was in fun.

Hey SockRolid. How did that Oracle suit you swore was a home run go?

"Case closed."

 

That's hilarious, as if these two words would strengthen what is otherwise a litany of subjective, tangential arguments.

It appears Samsung was counting on the stupidity and gullibility of many people in the world so they would have success selling their phones and tablets, after they blatantly copied Apple. 

 

Here's another one to add to your list:-

 

"ALL TRIAL LAWYERS must make appearances in this case and must be admitted in this District." says one of the rules of the case as summarised by Judge Lucy Koh.

 

So what was Susan Estrich,  "lawyer, professor, author, political operative, feminist advocate, and political commentator for Fox News" doing representing Samsung when apparently she has not been admitted to the bar in that particular district?

 

Source

 

Wait until the shelves break, then see how much it costs to replace them, one or two shelves and a crisper drawer = more than an iPad.

 

I now have a Bosch the design is so much better, simpler and cleaner.

Edited by hill60 - 8/9/12 at 3:52pm

that's because the iPad just won't keep the milk from spoiling....

 

wont's hold much in the way of leftovers either.

Hyundai is not too far off with the way they are copying Mercedes Benz's style.  Since there are tons of people that decide solely on price and price alone, who knows if someone will buy a $10K Hyundai thinking it's just like a Mercedes.  

OK, I'm agreeing with you, and I am (I reluctantly admit) a fanboy.  Before I bought my first Apple product, a MacBook Pro, I had a vaguely anti-Apple sentiment.  Then I bought a low-end HP laptop loaded with Vista and went thru two years of utter hell.  In 2011 replaced it with a MacBook Pro.... bliss.  So I'm the typical fan, with iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, Apple TV and my beloved MBP.  That said, I feel no need to throw rocks at the competition.   I completely understand how and why a person walks into a Best Buy or Costco, picks up a Tab and thinks "whoo hoo, a tablet!"  But that probably comes out "Yippee, an iPad!"   No, they DON'T know.  They are casual consumers.  They are not stupid, indifferent, lazy, or any other pejorative us fanboys throw at them.  They simply want a tablet that does what they've seen the ads represent.  Whether they made a good buy or a big mistake is dependent on their experiences over against their expectations. 

 

Geez, we are an elitist, snarky bunch around here!!!

It's usually only 4 or 5 for me...

Strange, you don't sound like a fanboy.

 

Highly doubtful.

Yes, people are always exactly what their Internet handle means literally.

 

For example, I'm the lengthiest drill. 

Fixed it for ya <<...with Tongue out>

My mom did that once to my car, we both had a BMW 5 series but her's was a Diesel and she just assumed.

Well since Apple has the monopoly on tablets that's where you'll find most of them.

 

HEY....I resemble that remark!! Keep me out of it!