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EVIL: MITT ROMNEY Enriches Torturing Slaughtering Families Of Death, And Himself.

Poll Results: How will you justify to yourself voting for Romney?

 
  • 0% (0)
    I like torture and mass killing for profit.
  • 33% (1)
    I think he's a real American for doing this.
  • 0% (0)
    I'll vote for Romney because he's to the right of Obama, much much further, i.e. pure evil.
  • 66% (2)
    I won't vote for Romney now I know he's an evil sicko.
3 Total Votes  
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Mitt Romney needed money for Bain Capital so he went to the dark side-

 

 

In 1983, Bill Bain asked Mitt Romney to launch Bain Capital, a private equity offshoot of the successful consulting firm Bain & Company. After some initial reluctance, Romney agreed. The new job came with a stipulation: Romney couldn't raise money from any current clients, Bain said, because if the private equity venture failed, he didn't want it taking the consulting firm down with it.

When Romney struggled to raise funds from other traditional sources, he and his partners started thinking outside the box. Bain executive Harry Strachan suggested that Romney meet with a group of Central American oligarchs who were looking for new investment vehicles as turmoil engulfed their region.

Romney was worried that the oligarchs might be tied to "illegal drug money, right-wing death squads, or left-wing terrorism," Strachan later told a Boston Globereporter, as quoted in the 2012 book "The Real Romney." But, pressed for capital, Romney pushed his concerns aside and flew to Miami in mid-1984 to meet with the Salvadorans at a local bank.

It was a lucrative trip. The Central Americans provided roughly $9 million -- 40 percent -- of Bain Capital's initial outside funding, the Los Angeles Times reported recently. And they became valued clients.

"Over the years, these Latin American friends have loyally rolled over investments in succeeding funds, actively participated in Bain Capital's May investor meetings, and are still today one of the largest investor groups in Bain Capital," Strachan wrote in his memoir in 2008. Strachan declined to be interviewed for this story.

Romney could also have thanked investors from two other wealthy and powerful Central American clans -- the de Sola and Salaverria families, who the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe have reported were founding investors in Bain Capital.

 

While they were on the lookout for investments in the United States, members of some of these prominent families -- including the Salaverria, Poma, de Sola and Dueñas clans -- were also at the time financing, either directly or through political parties, death squads in El Salvador. The ruling classes were deploying the death squads to beat back left-wing guerrillas and reformers during El Salvador's civil war.

"Under Ronald Reagan, the U.S. sent billions of dollars to the murderous regime, which utilized that aid to fund the military and death squads in an effort to preserve the unjust privileges of the Salvadoran oligarchy," said Arturo J. Viscarra, an immigration lawyer, who, like many other Salvadorans, emigrated to the United States in order to escape the civil war. He said his family left the country in 1980 after his father began receiving death threats.

"To now learn that a man that may become president of the U.S. deserves some of his success due to the incredible inequality that the U.S. helped to preserve in El Salvador is ironic," Viscarra said. "It's morbidly funny.”

The U.S. involvement in the bloodshed is now seen as a black mark on the nation's record. When President Obama visited Central America in March 2011, he made a symbolic stop at Romero's grave, lighting a candle for the archbishop.

Romney, however, has shown no public remorse for signing up such investors, although the concept of culpability is not foreign to him. When he returned to Miami in 2007, he condemned those who had financed torture and other human rights abuses during the Salvadoran civil war -- just not those he was connected to.

In 1984, Robert White, the former U.S. ambassador to El Salvador, named two Salaverria brothers -- Julio and Juan Ricardo -- as two of six Salvadoran exiles in Miami who had directly funded death squads, repeating in sworn congressional testimony a claim he'd made earlier as ambassador. The group became known as the "Miami Six." White testified that a source close to the Miami Six had notified the U.S. embassy of their activities in January 1981.

White was pushed out of his job by the incoming Reagan administration in 1981; he was considered insufficiently supportive of the Salvadoran ruling class. (D'Aubuissonendorsed Ronald Reagan in 1984.) When contacted by phone recently, White reiterated his claim about the Salaverria brothers, but said he couldn't reveal his source's identity in order to protect the source.

"The Salaverria family were very well-known as backers of D'Aubuisson," White told The Huffington Post. "These guys were big-money contributors. ... They were total backers of D'Aubuisson and the extremist solution, including death squads."

Alfonso Salaverria was a close associate of Orlando de Sola, a leading death-squad figure, and, like him, supported D'Aubuisson.

The Salaverria family also violently resisted land reform efforts. When the Salvadoran government seized about 140 of the country's largest farms in March 1980, 73-year-old Raul Salaverria was the only landowner to openly resist, the Washington Postreported at the time. A brief exchange of gunfire between government forces and Salaverria's people resulted in two injuries, and 1,500 weapons were allegedly found on the property.

Herbert's brother was the notorious Orlando de Sola, who resisted the peace negotiations toward the end of the civil war. The Romney campaign acknowledges Orlando de Sola's connection to death squads but insists he is not representative of the de Sola family investors. While Romney told the Tribune in 1999 that the backgrounds of the families had been checked diligently, he had explained to theBoston Globe in 1994 that Bain's due diligence included only the backgrounds of the individual investors, not their family members. "We investigated the individuals' integrity and looked for any obvious signs of illegal activity and problems in their background, and found none. We did not investigate in-laws and relatives." Deflecting the association with Orlando, Strachan, whom Romney had charged with vetting the investors, described him that same year to the Globe as "the black sheep of the family. ... He was kicked out of the family business."

Yet there is strong evidence that Orlando was anything but a black sheep in the de Sola family. Indeed, he was a leading public face of the Salvadoran elites in Miami, speaking, for example, on behalf of the El Salvador Freedom Foundation, the organization which arranged a U.S. press conference for D'Aubuisson as part of its public relations activities on behalf of the oligarchs and ARENA. An Associated Press story from April 1981 includes Orlando de Sola and Alfonso Salaverria speaking on behalf of the oligarchs in exile. The story also makes reference to White's charges regarding the funding of death squads, indicating that the charges were already well known by that point.

But the ties run deeper still. In 1990, Orlando de Sola, D'Aubuisson and founding Bain investor Francisco de Sola allegedly assassinated two left-wing activists then in Guatemala, according to a report by that country's government, which cited its intelligence sources. The activists had just held a meeting with then-Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), who was attempting to broker a Salvadoran peace deal.

Francisco de Sola later pleaded his and his cousin Orlando's innocence to the U.S. ambassador. The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights looked further into the killings and concluded that elements of the Salvadoran right were indeed the mostly likely assassins, but said that it couldn't confirm the guilt of the de Solas or D'Aubuisson. It deemed the investigation incomplete and called for a deeper look. The three men were never charged.

Francisco de Sola is now president of the Salvadoran Foundation for Economic and Social Development. His assistant, Ada Chang, said that he was traveling and unavailable to comment, but she confirmed to HuffPost that he had been accused of murdering the two leftists in 1990. Whether he committed the crime or not, the fact that Guatemalan intelligence would associate him with Orlando de Sola and D'Aubuisson, and place them in Guatemala together, casts further doubt on Strachan's claim that Orlando de Sola was merely a "black sheep" who had been "kicked out of the family business."

Orlando de Sola, who is serving an unrelated prison sentence for fraud, told the Los Angeles Times that he did not personally benefit from the Bain investments. "I would say their relationship with Bain Capital was a step to diversify into foreign investments," he said of his family.

Ricardo Poma was the first investor Romney thanked when he traveled to Miami in 2007. The head of the Poma Group, he became one of the three members of the Bain Capital investment committee, according to Strachan's memoir. The Poma family were financiers of D'Aubuisson's ARENA party.

The Regalado-Dueñas family, like many of El Salvador's other powerful clans, amassed much of their wealth and political power through the coffee industry. Along with the Alvarez family, they also helped to found Banco Comercial, one of the biggest banks in El Salvador.

The Regalado-Dueñas and Alvarez families were leading supporters of ARENA. Arturo Dueñas "regularly supplied" the head of an ARENA-affiliated "paramilitary unit ... with a variety of official Salvadoran documents," according to a redacted 1984 CIA document, which uses the euphemism for death squad. (Salvadoran government documents were used by death squads to assemble lists of people to kill.)

Miguel Dueñas and Ricardo Poma did not respond to requests for comment. The Salaverria brothers are dead, according to Ambassador White."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/mitt-romney-death-squads-bain_n_1710133.html

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post #2 of 41

This poll and thread are a joke.

 

I'll take you seriously when you express the same level of outrage over Obama's atrocities.

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post #3 of 41

Blood money for Romney. Real great President he would be.Who knows what else Romney has hiding from us? Everyday is a new surprise.
 

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This poll and thread are a joke.

 

I'll take you seriously when you express the same level of outrage over Obama's atrocities.

I have. I can't help it if you don't read or can't remember my posts.

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Blood money for Romney. Real great President he would be.Who knows what else Romney has hiding from us? Everyday is a new surprise.
 

He's the most sneaky and allusive presidential candidate ever. People in finance often keep things out of site, but he's running for president. He has no balls. I know even Fox News have called him out on his stealth ways, shame the right here won't speak up.

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I have. I can't help it if you don't read or can't remember my posts.

 

No, you haven't. Not like this.

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He's the most sneaky and [sic] allusive presidential candidate ever.

 

At least since Obama.

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post #8 of 41

The Right have no balls to speak up just bitch all the time.That is your party.
 

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This poll and thread are a joke.

 

I'll take you seriously when you express the same level of outrage over Obama's atrocities.

A Joke like trumptman's poll about Obama being a person who sells child pornography etc.? Do you mean a joke as in that kind of poll?

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He's the most sneaky and [sic] allusive presidential candidate ever.

 

At least since Obama.

I was thinking more in terms of George W Bush in 2000 ( who went on to be sneaky and [ sic ] and allusive in office for much longer ). And personally I'd take Obama over him any day of the week.

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The Right have no balls to speak up just bitch all the time.That is your party.
 

It's the party of " No ". Unless they thought of it or it serves their agenda.

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A Joke like trumptman's poll about Obama being a person who sells child pornography etc.? Do you mean a joke as in that kind of poll?

 

That's different. That's what we call "satire".

 

This thread was obviously not intended as satire.

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I was thinking more in terms of George W Bush in 2000

 

Of course you were. Because you're thinking is extremely partisan.

 

 

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And personally I'd take Obama over him any day of the week.

 

Of course you will. Because you're a liberal Democrat.

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That's different. That's what we call "satire".

 

 

You're being really generous with that label.  

 

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post #15 of 41

Romney has no guts to speak up. He only is told what to do by the Tea party now it seems.Maybe Ryan will speak up for him when he starts to campaign with Romney.
 

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He's the most sneaky and allusive presidential candidate ever. People in finance often keep things out of site, but he's running for president. He has no balls. I know even Fox News have called him out on his stealth ways, shame the right here won't speak up.

 

Keep telling yourself that.  If it helps you feel better about your disaster of a President, good for you.  

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He's the most sneaky and allusive presidential candidate ever. People in finance often keep things out of site, but he's running for president. He has no balls. I know even Fox News have called him out on his stealth ways, shame the right here won't speak up.

 

Keep telling yourself that.  If it helps you feel better about your disaster of a President, good for you.  

Well Hands is right.

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I was thinking more in terms of George W Bush in 2000

 

Of course you were. Because you're thinking is extremely partisan.

 

 

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And personally I'd take Obama over him any day of the week.

 

Of course you will. Because you're a liberal Democrat.

 

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Of course you were. Because you're thinking is extremely partisan.

And you're not partisan in favor of Libertarians. Uh huh.

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That's different. That's what we call "satire".

 

 

You're being really generous with that label.  

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And you're not partisan in favor of Libertarians. Uh huh.

 

Actually I'm not partisan at all. I hold not particular allegiance to any specific political party. I am an advocate of liberty and of much smaller (even non-existent) government.

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And you're not partisan in favor of Libertarians. Uh huh.

 

Actually I'm not partisan at all. I hold not particular allegiance to any specific political party. I am an advocate of liberty and of much smaller (even non-existent) government.

So you wouldn't call yourself a Libertarian? And tell me in modern civilization how do you have no government? In a realistic sense now please.

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So you wouldn't call yourself a Libertarian?

 

I'd call myself a libertarian (small-L) but that doesn't mean I associate with any particular political party (including the Libertarian party...though, granted, it's platform is closer to many of my own views than the Coke and Pepsi parties). Really I'm more of an anarcho-capitalist.

 

 

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And tell me in modern civilization how do you have no government? In a realistic sense now please.

 

I understand that this is difficult for many to imagine. Especially those who a) have been educated in government schools, b) get most of their information from the mainstream media, c) who have a statist bent, and, d) refuse to even consider the possibility beyond a simplistic dismissal of it.

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So you wouldn't call yourself a Libertarian?

 

I'd call myself a libertarian (small-L) but that doesn't mean I associate with any particular political party (including the Libertarian party...though, granted, it's platform is closer to many of my own views than the Coke and Pepsi parties). Really I'm more of an anarcho-capitalist.

 

 

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And tell me in modern civilization how do you have no government? In a realistic sense now please.

 

I understand that this is difficult for many to imagine. Especially those who a) have been educated in government schools, b) get most of their information from the mainstream media, c) who have a statist bent, and, d) refuse to even consider the possibility beyond a simplistic dismissal of it.

 

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I understand that this is difficult for many to imagine. Especially those who a) have been educated in government schools, b) get most of their information from the mainstream media, c) who have a statist bent, and, d) refuse to even consider the possibility beyond a simplistic dismissal of it.

Well could you give us a summation of what it would entail?

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Well could you give us a summation of what it would entail?

 

What what would entail?

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Well could you give us a summation of what it would entail?

 

What what would entail?

Your governmentless world. How would it work and still hold civilization together? Pray tell.

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Your governmentless world. How would it work and still hold civilization together? Pray tell.

 

By people peacefully and voluntarily cooperating with one another.

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By people peacefully and voluntarily cooperating with one another.

 

Riiight.  

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Riiight.  

 

You think people can't get along with each other without the state watching over them?

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You think people can't get along with each other without the state watching over them?

No

we

can

not

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Why must you disagree with almost everyone in this forum.A  typical Republican you are 100% like the rest blaming the government for trying to clean up the mess Bush left us in. Blame it all on Obama  more excuses you Republicans have.
 

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No

we

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not

.

 

And the one who accuses others of cherry-picking returns for a demonstration of irony.

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Why must you disagree with almost everyone in this forum.A  typical Republican you are 100% like the rest blaming the government for trying to clean up the mess Bush left us in. Blame it all on Obama  more excuses you Republicans have.
 

 

I don't disagree with everyone.  I have my own opinions, some of which match up with others.  As for Mr. Bush:  If we accept that "left us in this mess," then wasn't it the government that caused the mess?  He was the Chief Executive of the U.S. GOVERNMENT, after all.  

 

 

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You think people can't get along with each other without the state watching over them?

 

That depends.  In relatively small numbers, of course they can.  But when we're talking about a nation or the entire world?  History shows otherwise.  We had no international laws in the ancient world, yet there were brutal wars, dictators, etc.  History shows that humanity attacks itself, from the Crusades to Napolean, to Stalin's Russia.  Of course, one could argue that it was government (of sorts) that caused this.  However, if that's true, you'd be arguing for the simultaneous ending of all worldwide governments.  That's obviously not going to happen.  

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But when we're talking about a nation or the entire world?  History shows otherwise.  We had no international laws in the ancient world, yet there were brutal wars, dictators, etc.  History shows that humanity attacks itself, from the Crusades to Napolean, to Stalin's Russia.  Of course, one could argue that it was government (of sorts) that caused this.

 

Yes, that's actually what has happened. That's what governments do.

 

*sigh*

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Yes, that's actually what has happened. That's what governments do.

 

*sigh*

 

MJ, this is tiresome.  There is no way government is suddenly or even gradually going to disappear on this planet.  This conversation has become nothing but an academic exercise.  

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MJ, this is tiresome.

 

Feel free to abstain.

 

 

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There is no way government is suddenly or even gradually going to disappear on this planet.

 

I agree.

 

 

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This conversation has become nothing but an academic exercise.  

 

The interesting thing is though...this is how ideas and movements are born. They start this way. They start by people discussing them. Eventually some who were opposed, reluctant or unconvinced change their minds.

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Feel free to abstain.

 

 

 

I agree.

 

 

 

The interesting thing is though...this is how ideas and movements are born. They start this way. They start by people discussing them. Eventually some who were opposed, reluctant or unconvinced change their minds.

 

 

So, you agree that a world without government will not happen.  But then you talk of movements being born.  So...you're saying a government-less world IS possible?  It almost sounds like you're just writing a research paper here. 

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So, you agree that a world without government will not happen.

 

I mistakenly quoted all of you when I meant to address the "suddenly" part.

 

 

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So...you're saying a government-less world IS possible?

 

I believe so, yes. Perhaps not in our lives and almost certainly not suddenly or easily. There are still far too many statists, like yourself, who not only can't imagine it...won't even try to seriously imagine this possibility perhaps because they are too invested in having or using the state to achieve their objectives. Perhaps because they lack the imagination to consider it carefully and thoughtfully.

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I mistakenly quoted all of you when I meant to address the "suddenly" part.

 

 

 

I believe so, yes. Perhaps not in our lives and almost certainly not suddenly or easily. There are still far too many statists, like yourself, who not only can't imagine it...won't even try to seriously imagine this possibility perhaps because they are too invested in having or using the state to achieve their objectives. Perhaps because they lack the imagination to consider it carefully and thoughtfully.

 

1.  OK

 

2.  I can certainly imagine it.  I just think it is totally unrealistic to expect it to happen.  Why?  Because we're moving in exactly the opposite direction.  Government is growing all around the world and gaining more consolidated in terms of power.  Moreover, I don't think a total lack of government is desirable.  

I can only please one person per day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.  
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I can certainly imagine it.

 

OK.

 

 

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I just think it is totally unrealistic to expect it to happen.

 

I understand.

 

 

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Why?  Because we're moving in exactly the opposite direction.  Government is growing all around the world and gaining more consolidated in terms of power.

 

Well that's for sure. However, that could end up being the trigger.

 

 

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Moreover, I don't think a total lack of government is desirable.  

 

I understand.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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And the one who accuses others of cherry-picking returns for a demonstration of irony.

If these were isolated incidents you've have a good point. However sadly that's just not reality.

Without the need for difference or a need to always follow the herd breeds complacency, mediocrity, and a lack of imagination
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