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The new connector will also deliver a number of welcomed enhancements for consumers, according to people familiar with the design, one of which will be its orientation independence when plugged into any one of Apple's future iOS devices.
 

 

Others of which are what? orientation independence and smaller size are the only two I see. 2 pros. here are 2 cons. It's not a standard plug, so i can't use any micro usb cord i have hanging around (dozens of these things) and it seems to have lost a few pins in the process, which i dont know if that impacts this thing negatively or not functionality wise for accessory makers. Can't imagine it does since they likely have to start over anyway for this new adapter. 

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2. It's 9 reversible pins but the cable will negotiate how it's connected once it gets power. [somewhat complex, more expensive per cable design]

And this way Apple gets to control the cable market with proprietary tech that third parties are not allowed to license.

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I wonder if there are long-term reliability concerns with making the 8 pins on each side independent in such a thin area? In such a case, I guess, option 2 with 8 solid blocks of pins assemble from either side of the connector would be the most robust.

If anyone can make it happen, may it look easily and make it cost effective it's Apple. That holds true for number 2, as well, because if they want the audio line-out, video, etc. to be available they will have to use electronics somewhere to negotiate the type of data over what pins. Seems unlikely to keep it all in an otherwise dumb cable if you don't have to.


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Most likely cost and the volumes Apple needs.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5258/apple-acquires-anobit-bringing-nand-endurance-technology-inhouse

Not only is the NAND slow, it's also less reliable than SSD NAND. One of the reasons Apple is thought to have bought Anobit is that they have technology to increase the endurance of cheap NAND through controller logic.

There is no evidence that Apple is using cheap NAND. In fact, according to testing done at Anandtech, Apple has some of, if not the fastest NAND transfer rates available on mobile devices, attesting to their use of higher quality NAND. Some other devices have NAND speeds several times slowed, showing that they are using cheaper AND, as well as no controller. Apple appears to be using an effective controller.
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Apple seem obsessed with constantly designing new ports. Do they have a special ports division or something?

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I'm leaning towards a thunderbolt connection but I guess we'll see september.

I'd reckon it depends on if the ARM SoC supports Thunderbolt. So far it has been Intel-only.
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It makes sense to utilize the extra pins on the other side, but like you said, this mystery could be easily resolved if we could either see inside the iPhone end of the connector or see how many signals/pads there are to the wire in the cable connection side. At the rate these leaks are going, we will know by the end of this week. 

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Others of which are what? orientation independence and smaller size are the only two I see. 2 pros. here are 2 cons. It's not a standard plug, so i can't use any micro usb cord i have hanging around (dozens of these things) and it seems to have lost a few pins in the process, which i dont know if that impacts this thing negatively or not functionality wise for accessory makers. Can't imagine it does since they likely have to start over anyway for this new adapter. 

iOS devices have always used proprietary connections, so what's your point? It's not like you suddenly can't use your micro USB plug.

And for the average consumer, what defines a standard? I'm not talking about the technical definition. For the average user, standard has the same meaning as ubiquitous, as in it's easy to find a cable and your friend probably has one if you forgot yours. Considering the MASSIVE user base (all iOS devices sold and the majority of iPods sold throughout history), the Dock Connector is ubiquitous. I'd say a "friend" is more likely to have one than a micro USB plug, too.

Given time, the new Dock Connector will have the same fate. Apple has the mindshare and the user base to push it as a pseudo-"standard". You forget who helped "standardize" USB.
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What about that faster Samsung NAND? And why the heck has Apple deigned to keep such slow NAND in their devices?!

Apple does use Samsung NAND. As Melgross notes, Apple uses the beat NAND available. Remember that an SSD isn't just NAND. Think of the controller as RAID 0. The drives are the same speed as before but performance is sped up because they are working in tandem. You could do that on CE but the negatives outweigh the pros. Let's see what Anobit can come up with.

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As far as I'm aware, Thunderbolt requires an Intel chipset. The iPhone uses ARM SoC's. They are not currently compatible with Thunderbolt.
It's a similar reason why Apple is only just now supporting USB3; they were waiting for Ivy Bridge, which is compatible as opposed to older Intel chipsets.
You can't always just "plug" something in.

There's also the issue that most people currently don't have a Thunderbolt device to plug this into! USB3 is compatible with earlier USB, so that's what is likely to be used here. Hopefully, though, they'll design this as a hybrid, so that future devices can also support Thunderbolt without another change in the connector.
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Just what society needs another idiot proof connector, are people that stupid they do not know how to plug something in, I know people still have problem plug in two prong power cords into the wall with on prong bigger, they have not figure out how to rotate it 180 degrees.

 

God forbid that designers and engineers make things easier, simpler, more obvious and more "idiot proof" so we don't have to waste time, energy and brain cells on stupid shit.

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Just what society needs another idiot proof connector, are people that stupid they do not know how to plug something in, I know people still have problem plug in two prong power cords into the wall with on prong bigger, they have not figure out how to rotate it 180 degrees.

 

You're so right, this whole Apple strategy of 'making this simpler' is just so idiotic, and clearly the wrong way to go about it. Look where it's led them the past few years! Utterly Disastrous! What are they THINKING??!

 

I'll never understand posts like yours- people who actively get angry when something gets more intuitive, better, faster, simpler, etc. It's not about being 'too stupid' to plug something in'. Half the time I try connecting the phone the wrong way, because either the symbol is faded, or the lights are off and it's too dark to see it, etc. What does this have to do with intelligence? It's another small, albeit slightly frustrating point of friction that will now be removed. Your post and those like yours is evidence that you don't fundamentally understand Apple, what they're trying to accomplish, their philosophy, and that probably never have. It's the combined effect of small details like this that have contributed to their success. 

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And this way Apple gets to control the cable market with proprietary tech that third parties are not allowed to license.

And there's a problem with a company controlling its own fate, because of what reason, exactly?
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Terrible idea; we've been over that.

 

Who says it isn't?

 

Yes but in case he didn't read that thread, the reason MagSafe would be bad for the phone connector is that magnets can interfere w/audio.  As far as who says it isn't, the Thunderbolt spec.  It calls for 20 pins.

 

 

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Dock Connector 5.
I addressed that in a thread yesterday. I see 3 possibilities for this design.
  1. It's 9 reversible pins but the device end will only read from one side. [least complex, last costly, least future forward]
  2. It's 9 reversible pins but the cable will negotiate how it's connected once it gets power. [somewhat complex, more expensive per cable design]
  3. It's 17 reversible pins but the device will negotiate orientation of pins (perhaps by having two pins for DC power that are opposite each other so the negotiation is simple). [most complex, most future forward, more expensive in the device]
That said, the additional cost and complexity for the 3rd option doesn't seem that high considering the longterm benefits.

 

A 4th option (or tweak on #2) is that it is USB3x2.  Let's say that since the pin counts match, it might be USB3, just w/a different connector.  What if the pins being on each side to allow for it to be inserted either way all function when it is inserted?  The 9th pin would not be doubled, but it's possible they could maybe push extra power beyond spec this way for faster charging, maybe faster data.  I'm probably wrong for several technical reasons, but it's a fun idea.  If the edge was forming the ground pin, it might not matter that it wasn't duplicated.

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And this way Apple gets to control the cable market with proprietary tech that third parties are not allowed to license.

 

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And there's a problem with a company controlling its own fate, because of what reason, exactly?

Don't believe I mentioned a problem.

Speaking of problems, what's yours?

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Just what society needs another idiot proof connector, are people that stupid they do not know how to plug something in, I know people still have problem plug in two prong power cords into the wall with on prong bigger, they have not figure out how to rotate it 180 degrees.

Wow. I hope you don't work in customer service for a tech company. 

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There's also the issue that most people currently don't have a Thunderbolt device to plug this into! USB3 is compatible with earlier USB, so that's what is likely to be used here. Hopefully, though, they'll design this as a hybrid, so that future devices can also support Thunderbolt without another change in the connector.

I'm hoping that the USB support in this new connector is for USB 3. I don't know of any reason why the old one couldn't support it too. But there are issues with termination in connectors going to higher speeds. That's why, with Ethernet, new connectors are required every time a newer, faster standard comes up, in addition to newer wires. Looking at some old, never crimped, Cat 3 connectors I have, and newer Cat 5, Cat 5E and Cat 6, I can see very subtle differences, but pretty much, a magnifier is needed to tell the difference.
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And this way Apple gets to control the cable market with proprietary tech that third parties are not allowed to license.

You mean like now, where Apple controls the market but third-parties can pay a royalty fee to make cables.
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Don't believe I mentioned a problem.
Speaking of problems, what's yours?

Don't be a wiseass. Your comment reads negatively, as you must know. I was wondering why you apparently think its not a good thing.
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I'd reckon it depends on if the ARM SoC supports Thunderbolt. So far it has been Intel-only.

 

It's from January, but that is all addressed here:  http://www.anandtech.com/show/5425/why-thunderbolt-wont-come-to-the-iphone-anytime-soon

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Actually, the L shaped Magsafe adapters are 2nd Gen. The first generation of MagSafe were also T Shaped, making MagSafe2 the third generation MagSafe.

 

No, not really. The original T-shape and L-Shape magsafe connectors were otherwise exactly the same, and completely interchangable. Magsafe 2 is a new, incompatible connector.

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Originally Posted by jeffreytgilbert View Post

It's not a standard plug, so i can't use any micro usb cord i have hanging around (dozens of these things) and it seems to have lost a few pins in the process, which i dont know if that impacts this thing negatively or not functionality wise for accessory makers.

Exactly which of the 14 shapes of mini/micro-USB plug should Apple use? Tell me now.

 

For the record, I have had three micro-USB devices in my life; two cameras and a flip phone. Guess how many of them used the same shape.

 

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And this way Apple gets to control the cable market with proprietary tech that third parties are not allowed to license.

Let's ignore the thousands of officially licensed dock-equipped accessories over the last ten years. "Made for i**" stickers are earned, not made up.

 

Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Apple seem obsessed with constantly designing new ports. Do they have a special ports division or something?

The dock connector's extra pins enable more intelligent automatic configuration of, and communication with, a wide variety of accessories. The only way to do that through a "standard" port like USB is by making accessories more expensive with controller chips, and an iOS device full of drivers. Who doesn't love managing device drivers?

But by all means, stick with legacy ports like VGA. Goodness knows there are still plenty of laptops being made today with that 20+ year old spec.

 

By the way, it was 0 of 3 devices. Want some bonus juice? My SO still uses a flip phone (Samsung m300), and it uses its own "proprietary dock."

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There's also the issue that most people currently don't have a Thunderbolt device to plug this into! USB3 is compatible with earlier USB, so that's what is likely to be used here. Hopefully, though, they'll design this as a hybrid, so that future devices can also support Thunderbolt without another change in the connector.

 

Which is a selling point to people to a)look for products with the port when they upgrade or b) go buy a nice new Apple laptop that has the port you want.  Clearly B, but if all the iDevices changed over to TB next month, the uptick on TB inclusion on systems would be pretty swift.

 

 

 

 

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Half the time I try connecting the phone the wrong way, because either the symbol is faded, or the lights are off and it's too dark to see it, etc. What does this have to do with intelligence?

 

You forgot another perfect example.  Reaching around teh back of your computer to insert a USB cable.  Even when you have it oriented right, it can still be finicky to slot and if its backwards, repeat.


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I've been thinking the same things myself. There are a bunch of pins on the old connector that do nothing. Getting rid of some of them wouldn't limit functionality, except for giving Apple extra pins for other uses in the future.
What I'm concerned about is that they limited the functionality to the point that devices that connect now won't be usable in the future. I have a device that connects microphones, and acts as a headphone am as well. This is used with a very good app called Audio Tools. It would be a shame if this would no longer be usable on newer Apple devices.

 

Just out of interest, have you tried Signal Scope Pro?  It has proven very useful to me.

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Don't be a wiseass. Your comment reads negatively, as you must know. I was wondering why you apparently think its not a good thing.

I disagree - it reads neutral or at least factual.  Take it however you wish.  I don't care either way, I'll buy the cable and not worry about it.

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Just what society needs another idiot proof connector, are people that stupid they do not know how to plug something in, I know people still have problem plug in two prong power cords into the wall with on prong bigger, they have not figure out how to rotate it 180 degrees.


Remember when car keys were asymmetrical? A real pain to use, especially in the dark. I'm glad we got past that and I'm glad Apple is too, with their connectors.

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One question, assuming this connector is real. Presumably Apple will continue to use the same minimal strain relief for the cable attachment. One of the things about the T-shaped MagSafe connector that had an incredibly high failure rate, even after the redesign (longer strain-relief, not the L shaped one), is that being symmetrical, and having no specific orientation, allowed the connector to be rotated an unusually high amount, thus twisting the poorly connected cable a greater amount than if the connector were always inserted in a single orientation.

Granted this twisting of the cable alone was not responsible for the failure of the old connector, but it is the most consistent source of strain I see on them, moreso than being pulled in a particular direction. Observing a typical T-shaped MagSafe connection, there is almost always some strain being applied from a twist at the connector as the cable attempts to return to the natural alignment. This is made worse, each time the user plugs the connector in without concern for the natural orientation. The more the connector is twisted, the worse the strain on the connection point, the more likely the failure.

It's like the old phone cords.. The only way to parent the continual twisting after every lift and return of the receiver, was to use one of those rotating connector devices, something I don't really see Apple doing here with 9 connection points to maintain securely.

By contrast the old one-way dock connectors seem much more reliable, with little twisting of the cable at the connector. At least I have never heard of one failing, or had one fail on me which cannot be said for my experience with the old T-shaped MagSafe.
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Like the orientation independent T-shaped MagSafe 2 adapter that Apple introduced in June to replace the first-generation L-shaped adapters ...

 

Just for the record, the L-shaped MagSafe connector is part of the second generation MagSafe design.

First gen, starting in January 2006, has the T-shaped connector.  Second gen, from late 2009, has the L-shaped connector.

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Yes but in case he didn't read that thread, the reason MagSafe would be bad for the phone connector is that magnets can interfere w/audio.  As far as who says it isn't, the Thunderbolt spec.  It calls for 20 pins.

 

 

Thanks, I was wondering the same thing.  I've been on the road a lot lately for work and missed that.  Sometimes a two sentence answer is better than a two sentence snark reply.

 

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Remember when car keys were asymmetrical? A real pain to use, especially in the dark. I'm glad we got past that and I'm glad Apple is too, with their connectors.

 

And a growing number of cars manufactured today only require you to have the keys in your pocket when you pull on the door handle then push the big start button!

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Just for the record, the L-shaped MagSafe connector is part of the second generation MagSafe design.

First gen, starting in January 2006, has the T-shaped connector.  Second gen, from late 2009, has the L-shaped connector.

Wouldn't the "beta" of the whole thing be the original MacBook Air which had a (different) L-shaped design?  

That's the way I remember it at least, but memories are often wrong. 


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PS: When you now type "etc." in iOS 6 and double tap the space bar to add a period it no longer auto-capitalizes the next letter like it's starting a new sentence. It's about time!

 

Cool. This will help with writing.  

 

Now if they could put in an ellipsis as well a lot of my "capital frustration" would disappear.  

I'd still like more control over auto-correct and the ability to edit the dictionary though. 

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One question, assuming this connector is real. Presumably Apple will continue to use the same minimal strain relief for the cable attachment. One of the things about the T-shaped MagSafe connector that had an incredibly high failure rate, even after the redesign (longer strain-relief, not the L shaped one), is that being symmetrical, and having no specific orientation, allowed the connector to be rotated an unusually high amount, thus twisting the poorly connected cable a greater amount than if the connector were always inserted in a single orientation.
Granted this twisting of the cable alone was not responsible for the failure of the old connector, but it is the most consistent source of strain I see on them, moreso than being pulled in a particular direction. Observing a typical T-shaped MagSafe connection, there is almost always some strain being applied from a twist at the connector as the cable attempts to return to the natural alignment. This is made worse, each time the user plugs the connector in without concern for the natural orientation. The more the connector is twisted, the worse the strain on the connection point, the more likely the failure.
It's like the old phone cords.. The only way to parent the continual twisting after every lift and return of the receiver, was to use one of those rotating connector devices, something I don't really see Apple doing here with 9 connection points to maintain securely.
By contrast the old one-way dock connectors seem much more reliable, with little twisting of the cable at the connector. At least I have never heard of one failing, or had one fail on me which cannot be said for my experience with the old T-shaped MagSafe.

 

I think there are several factors mitigating this problem on the iPhone.  In the first place it's a much lighter device so any stress or torque would be much reduced.  Secondly, the connectors primary use will be in a dock (no strain at all), or the phone will generally be laid on a flat surface if using the cable instead.  In that case (using the cable), the entire device would tend to rotate before any real stress or strain would build up.  

 

In terms of the twisty cable problem, there's no mechanical latch (seemingly) on the connector so you won't be able to hang the phone by an attached cable to un-twist it pendulum-wise, but it should be a very solid connection nevertheless since as it appears to be a machines metal tab being inserted into a machines metal slot.  

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... One of the reasons Apple is thought to have bought Anobit is that they have technology to increase the endurance of cheap NAND through controller logic.

 

It seems to me that you're kind of purposely mis-stating this here in order to make your case.  

 

The Anobit controller logic improvements are intended to increase the endurance not of "cheap NAND," but just of "NAND."  

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One question, assuming this connector is real. Presumably Apple will continue to use the same minimal strain relief for the cable attachment. One of the things about the T-shaped MagSafe connector that had an incredibly high failure rate, even after the redesign (longer strain-relief, not the L shaped one), is that being symmetrical, and having no specific orientation, allowed the connector to be rotated an unusually high amount, thus twisting the poorly connected cable a greater amount than if the connector were always inserted in a single orientation.

 

This doesn't add up to me. How can a connector that may require a 180˚ rotation from the orientation it naturally falls to, lead to less strain than one requires a maximum of 90˚ rotation?

 

I have a dock connector on my desk that does this. It happen to lye "face down" when unplugged and I have to twist it 180˚ to plug in my devices so that they are face up, as I want them on the desk. If the connector could use either orientation I wouldn't need to twist it at all.

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Like the adapter, hate headphones being on the bottom of the phone.

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There is no evidence that Apple is using cheap NAND. In fact, according to testing done at Anandtech, Apple has some of, if not the fastest NAND transfer rates available on mobile devices, attesting to their use of higher quality NAND. Some other devices have NAND speeds several times slowed, showing that they are using cheaper AND, as well as no controller. Apple appears to be using an effective controller.

I was meaning in comparison to computer SSD as Anand is talking about in his Anobit article rather than against other mobile devices.

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After reading through the whole thread there has not been a mention of one of the major issues, which is that NONE of my existing iDevices will work with the new iPhone, from cradles to clock radios, they'll all require replacement or some sort of adapter plug, which I've not heard anyone discuss and I doubt would even happen.

 

Agree that from an ergonomics standpoint it's a better design for a plug, but for consumers with existing peripherals, not that great. For all the companies that make the peripherals, built in obsolesence is great! They get to sweep the decks clean and sell a whole new raft of new iPhone 5 compatible products.

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This doesn't add up to me. How can a connector that may require a 180˚ rotation from the orientation it naturally falls to, lead to less strain than one requires a maximum of 90˚ rotation?

I have a dock connector on my desk that does this. It happen to lye "face down" when unplugged and I have to twist it 180˚ to plug in my devices so that they are face up, as I want them on the desk. If the connector could use either orientation I wouldn't need to twist it at all.
I don't know how you plug yours in, but I hold the phone, lift the cable off the desk, turn the connector the proper orientation that it naturally conforms to, I.e. I turn it naturally the direction that has less stress, when I see it is backwards.

In this way, there is not a constant stress on the connecting point, as I have often noticed on my mag-safe. And weight is not an issue here. The iPhone is sufficiently heavy enough to keep the cable In place, I.e. the phone won't flip over to adjust to the natural alignment of the cable.

The mag-safe on the other hand, I will plug in however I happen to pick it up off the desk, regardless of the orientation of the Mac. Since I don't have to think about how I plug it in, I usually don't. I have however, caught myself, realized how much the cable was twisting at the connector and rotated it around -- and this is only because I lost two mag safe connectors to burned out (literally) connections at the strain relief.

This I believe is the weakness of the symmetrical connector. The L shape connector eliminated this. I can't imagine why Apple would go back to it.

I also don't see this as primarily dock use ... I think most people don't have docks. Either way, the depth at which this thing slides into the device compared to its width still strikes me as something less safe than the current dock connector, and seemingly has a lot of breakage written all over it, as people rip their phones out of docks and connector cables, especially if they are using them with adapters. This might actually be a reason Apple won't sell an adapter themselves ... Huge liability ... If this is indeed the final design, I hope the insertion point on the iPhone is a solid mate and jerking or bending the connector one way or the other will result in the tab snapping off and not breaking the logicboard ...
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After reading through the whole thread there has not been a mention of one of the major issues, which is that NONE of my existing iDevices will work with the new iPhone, from cradles to clock radios, they'll all require replacement or some sort of adapter plug, which I've not heard anyone discuss and I doubt would even happen.

 

Yes, no one talking about it at all.  From the article:

 

 

Due to the abundance of accessories on the market compatible with the current 30-pin design, Apple is expected to provide an adapter to help ease the transition to the smaller design.

 

included link to here:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/07/23/apple_rumored_to_provide_adaptor_for_smaller_iphone_dock_connector.html

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Actually, the L shaped Magsafe adapters are 2nd Gen. The first generation of MagSafe were also T Shaped, making MagSafe2 the third generation MagSafe.

Can someone explain to me why they went back to the "T" shaped design?

I was extremely jealous of the "L" shaped mag safe as it made perfect sence. Most of the time your cord extends behind your macbook and if I am not mistaken you could switch it to shoot towards you as well, albeit covering the closest port that sits near the charging port.

Probable trivial but I like the "L" design. Only problem with it is if the outlet is parallel to where your sitting but I've seen that and it didn't seem to be a problem.

Edit- I see there is debate about which is better going on here all ready. So I don't expect a proper answer.

But my vote goes for a hybrid option. Lol

A "LT"

MagSafe

With a liquid metal pivot joint that rotates 720 degrees . . . . And throw in a mini colapsable smart cover that prevents twists and acts a coffee splash guard.
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