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Apple v. Samsung presiding Judge Lucy Koh on Wednesday asked that the CEOs of both companies discuss possible settlement options at least once over the phone before the trial moves to jury deliberation next week.

Judge Koh made the request before proceedings began on Wednesday, saying "it's time for peace" in the ongoing Apple and Samsung patent dispute, which could have dear repercussions for one or both of the companies.

According to Reuters, after Judge Koh's urging to make peace, she said, "I see risks here to both sides if [the jury] goes to a verdict." Apple is seeking not only a sales ban of certain Samsung products alleged to have infringed on iPhone and iPad design and utility patents, but also monetary damages which could amount to over $2.5 billion.

Samsung has countered with its own claims, saying some of Apple's products infringe on wireless patents held by the South Korean company. Witnesses slated to take the stand later on Wednesday, including technical testimony from Tim Williams, will be speaking to that point.

Along with the settlement talk suggestion, Judge Koh once again asked the parties to narrow their respective cases before they reach the jury. "If you all want to keep overreaching that's up to you," Judge Koh said, according to an in-court tweet from Reuters reporter Dan Levine.

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U.S. District Court Judge Lucy Koh.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook and top Samsung executives already met to discuss possible settlement options in the past in court-ordered mediation, but the meetings bore no fruit. During Apple's second quarter 2012 conference call, Cook said he would rather settle the litigation, but at the same time vowed to defend the company's intellectual property if need be.

"I've always hated litigation, and I continue to hate it," Cook said, noting that if there was a guarantee against future patent infringement he would "highly prefer to settle versus battle."

The Apple v. Samsung U.S. trial is scheduled to wrap up testimony this week, with jury deliberation coming after closing arguments are completed next Tuesday.
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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.

Otherwise, Scamscum and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.

Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.

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Good luck.

Interesting that she comments both sides are over-reaching since the predominant view (and not just from AI articles) is that it's a clear win for Apple, as good as $2B+ in the bank and sales blocked in the US.

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Interesting that she comments both sides are over-reaching since the predominant view (and not just from AI articles) is that it's a clear win for Apple, as good as $2B+ in the bank and sales blocked in the US.

 

Your observation likely means that Samscum may be more willing to settle than they were before. If Apple backs off 20%, Samscum may move 80% to avoid losing 100%.

 

To come to a settlement also means neither party can appeal the non-verdict and drag this out for another year or two.

 

An added plus is that both sides can save face (that's a biggie for Samscum's management), plus the Samscum lawyers, who are facing some serious fines and/or sanctions once this is over, might escape with their family jewels intact. 

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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.

 

 

They have tried to settle before.  It didn't work.  We'll see if it can work this time.  Given how the trial is going, Samsung may be happy that hse has told them to try and settle again.  Settle w/Apple and have some control over the outcome or let the trial finish and accept a judgment they can't control.  I know which one sounds better in this situation.  This shouldn't be looked at as Koh not doing her job, this is her trying to offer both sides a way to end this quicker and possibly save face.  I don't see the problem.  Look at it this way.  It could cut more time off teh court case, which will save us (as in we, the people) money.

 

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Interesting that she comments both sides are over-reaching since the predominant view (and not just from AI articles) is that it's a clear win for Apple, as good as $2B+ in the bank and sales blocked in the US.

 

It may be a clear win for Apple on some counts, but even the most hardcore Apple fan doesn't think every single item in the trial is completely in favor of Apple.  Well, some may, who knows.  Maybe I'm just reasonable heh. 

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PEACE ?? Peace she says ???
 

Apple lawyers should tell Samsung to Agree to everything Apple has requested and sued for.

 

Else !@#$%^ 'Em and take it to the Jury !!!

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It's a sad state of affairs when multinational corporations willfully infringe on/steal the work of others, knowing they will only have to spend a few million on legal costs -- instead of hundreds of millions for innovating/inventing.

The patent system is not broken. The legal system is broken. These days, winning requires only:
(1) a large legal team
(2) paid-for "experts" who will say what you want
(3) people willing to shred evidence, disregard court edicts -- knowing they won't be reprimanded
(4) the ability to obfuscate issues and juries

It's clear Samsung infringed on Apple's prior IP. They should be found guilty, and have punitive damages also imposed on them. When crime "pays", it will continue.
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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.

Otherwise, Scamscum and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.

Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.

Could I agree in some more powerful way than just a thumbs up and a quote in reply?

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Interesting that she comments both sides are over-reaching since the predominant view (and not just from AI articles) is that it's a clear win for Apple, as good as $2B+ in the bank and sales blocked in the US.

I think you are misinterpreting the use of "overreaching". I don't think she's saying that Apple has no case, she's just saying that Apple's lawyers are overreaching in their case, which seems to be how these thing go. You've done this with your parents growing up? You've never made an outrageous request knowing it will be shot down but then when you make your next request (still somewhat extreme) it hopefully seems reasonable but it's not contracted to the previous one?

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I think you are misinterpreting the use of "overreaching". I don't think she's saying that Apple has no case, she's just saying that Apple's lawyers are overreaching in their case, which seems to be how these thing go. You've done this with your parents growing up? You've never made an outrageous request knowing it will be shot down but then when you make your next request (still somewhat extreme) it hopefully seems reasonable but it's not contracted to the previous one?

Not misinterpreting at all as that's exactly the way I took it too.

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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.

Otherwise, Scamscum and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.

Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.

I think the Judge Koh sees that Apple will loose as Sammy started pouring out evidences, that's why she suggested a peace talk.  Or she may have been consulted by Apple for it?  Not sure, maybe she has done that for the benefit of her country, USA.

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"I see risk here for both sides if we go to a verdict” Judge Lucy Koh said on Wednesday... sans the 'one or both' AI-spin.

Anyway... At this point it's all just a bunch on nonsense and the best thing that can happen is a blanket invalidation of any/all ridiculously generic patents claims.
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I think the Judge Koh sees that Apple will loose as Sammy started pouring out evidences, that's why she suggested a peace talk.  Or she may have been consulted by Apple for it?  Not sure, maybe she has done that for the benefit of her country, USA.

 

Your profile says you are from New Zealand, but your mastery of the English language makes me suspect Korean is your primary language.  :-/
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I think the Judge Koh sees that Apple will loose as Sammy started pouring out evidences, that's why she suggested a peace talk.  Or she may have been consulted by Apple for it?  Not sure, maybe she has done that for the benefit of her country, USA.

 

When you say silly things like this, you should probably just keep it shut.

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If I were Apple, I would just buy Samsung and put an Apple TV into every one of Samsung's televisions. I would also put iOS on every single Samsung device and take over the market. That's what JR would do...

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I think the Judge Koh sees that Apple will loose as Sammy started pouring out evidences, that's why she suggested a peace talk.  Or she may have been consulted by Apple for it?  Not sure, maybe she has done that for the benefit of her country, USA.

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What's with all this crap? I hear one group of trolls posting how Koh is in Apple's pocket and hates Samsung, and the other trolls posting how because Koh is of Korean descent, she is pro Samsung. Which is it? Maybe neither?

An "American judge" siding with an "American company" versus a "foreign company" does not in some way benefit the United States. It's not like the U.S. has a protectionist philosophy (unlike, ironically, S Korea). Apple, while founded in the U.S. is technically no more "American" than Samsung, who has a U.S. division that pays U.S. taxes and is subject to U.S. laws. Samsung also has production plants in the U.S., while Apple also has production plants overseas. In the days of MULTINATIONAL companies, a company is not "American", "Korean", etc.
post #18 of 97
I think Judge Kohl was giving Samsung a hint that their case is on shaky grounds and if it goes to jury, Samsung will lose a whole lot of money, maybe even more...

For the record, I wanna see Sammie burn.
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That's what Apple wanted in the first place.  But Samsung is too stubborn and arrogant.  Well, I'll still buy Apple products but Samsung products?  Nope. Sorry, there are other companies I can buy a TV, washer/dryer and other appliances from.

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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.

Otherwise, Scamscum and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.

Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.

 

 
Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.
 
Otherwise, Crapple and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.
 
Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.
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One party has poured time and treasure into innovation. One side has copied meticulously and then lied shamelessly... and continues to lie shamelessly. What peace comes of this? 

 

 

Is she grandstanding?

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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.


Otherwise, Scamscum and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.


Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.

Awfully touchy. Settlements are common. Juries tend to do surprising things sometimes. There seem to be a lot of emotions in that courtroom and I think she is reminding everyone that one or both sides might find themselves wishing they had settled if this goes to the jury. Everyone assumes only Samsung would benefit from the settlement. All the blogs, tweets, and opinions in the world don't mean squat. All that matters is what those people on the jury believe. We only know who wins when it is over and the verdict is read.

Based on the amount of conviction I see on this forum, it was probably wise for her to remind them that sometimes juries surprise you. If Apple does win and wins big, Samsung may wish it would have settled. If Apple wins but not as big as it expected, there's a chance they turned down a better agreement to go to trial.

I think Samsung is in the wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm not a little nervous the jury might not see things my way.
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Hey Judge Koh, you're paid a lot of money to do your job.  Shut up and do it and quit whining.  Sure, we'd all like peace, but there comes a time where one has to stick to principle and make a statement that eventually benefits all.

Otherwise, Scamscum and other degenerates will know they can piggyback off the work of others with little or no repercussions.

Jeez, it irks the hell out of me when the legal system would rather people exchange money and not resolve the injustice that happened.


You're relying too much on the articles here to provide context and adding your personal bias to that with the editorialized naming convention. These things tie up court systems for quite a long time, and a verdict does not necessarily resolve this. It's likely that appeals will be filed on whatever sticks at the end.

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What would you suggest as "background music" for your tripe?

 

Oh yeah Samsung have a patent on that and this :)

 

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post #25 of 97

Apple:- "Stop copying our stuff".

 

Samsung:- "We aren't copying your stuff".

 

Rock meet hard place, Lucy Koh should accept THAT IT IS HER JOB to come between this deadlocked position, the job SHE IS PAID TO DO.

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post #26 of 97

 I'd like to see Apple win big in this case! Alas, no verdict is guaranteed! This joke was told to me by a lawyer: 

 

         "A Trial is not a mechanism for finding the Truth! A Trial is a Method of finding which side has better lawyers!"

 

  1. If either side in this case is not happy with the verdict, what's the next stop on the Appeal Path? US Supreme Court?  
  2. Until the Appeals are finished, do the sides have to pay each other for the patents etc?

 

It amazes me that Apple, with all its billions of Cash, couldn't muscle Samsung to do the right thing! I recall hearing about the owner of Foxconn being very Anti-Samsong, so between Foxconn and others, Apple should have been able to Replace Samsong as the Supplier! Of course The Elephant In This Room is Google, cause Samsung runs on Android OS made by Google!!! 

 

The US Carriers, and Possibly Carriers around the World, probably would prefer NOT to have a Clear Winner in Apple or Google, never mind Samsung, which is just one of the phone maker… The Carriers would probably love to see a Divide And Conquer outcomes in all such cases, so that they can continue playing one OS against the other: iOS, Android, Windows Mobile, even Blackberry and some other OS around the corner! I vaguely recall hearing about FireFox working on Mobile OS?)!!! Maybe someone will do something with WebOS, the former Palm OS???  

 

Jury Integrity is a concern too. Someone might try to sway the Verdict and then buy AAPL or Samsung Stock based on their prior knowledge of what the Verdict would be!!! Yes, that might sound like a Conspiracy Theory, and I am not a fan of those, but that thought did cross my mind!!!! 

 

I am keeping my fingers crossed for a Just Verdict in Apple's Favor!!! Go Apple!!! 

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post #27 of 97

I'm posting this here, too, because it's equally relevant to this side.

 

This ticks me off so much. So frigging much.

 

Does anyone else see the big picture here?

Steve Jobs has been stolen from by two entities.

 

The first stole out of alleged desperation. A lone figure in a sea of nearly 7 billion. A man who, with more intelligence, could have easily slipped quietly into the night, never to be heard from again. A man who, when caught and notified of the magnitude of his crime, felt alleged remorse and desired to write a personal apology to the people from whom he stole, meaning them no disrespect personally. I know I said elsewhere that if he took the wallet, he'd know who he'd stolen from, but if he hadn't opened the wallet in the dark, he wouldn't have known. This man is certain to be punished for his crime, swiftly and severely, even if his remorse truly is genuine.

 

The second stole out of greed, laziness, and apathy. A large presence in a small room. A company who, with more intelligence, could have easily avoided this entire debacle, becoming a second bastion of innovation in an industry with only one oasis in the desert. A company who, when caught and notified of the magnitude of its crime, claimed that they were the ones being stolen from, not the other way around. This company has a very real chance of getting away with their crime scot-free, and they don't feel an ounce of remorse, faked or otherwise.

 

It makes me livid. 

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I think the Judge Koh sees that Apple will loose as Sammy started pouring out evidences, that's why she suggested a peace talk.  Or she may have been consulted by Apple for it?  Not sure, maybe she has done that for the benefit of her country, USA.

 

 

Hmm, can't tell if troll or retarded...

 
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Apple:- "Stop copying our stuff".

 

Samsung:- "We aren't copying your stuff".

 

Rock meet hard place, Lucy Koh should accept THAT IT IS HER JOB to come between this deadlocked position, the job SHE IS PAID TO DO.

 

I don't see how on earth she isn't doing her job.  She's just giving both sides the opportunity to settle this in a way that may end up with a fairer result.  The truth is, juries can be inconsistent, especially in cases like this.

 

Ultimately, whichever way this goes, I think Apple will be better off once it's over and done with.  Having worked for a company that got involved in prosecuting a patent infringement, I know how much of the senior executives and senior engineers time was taken up preparing for their day in court.

 

While I think it will be grossly unfair if Samsung have been stealing ideas from Apple and they get away with it (and vice versa for that matter, I love Apple stuff, but I'm not pro-Apple enough to think that the biggest corporation in the world isn't capable of doing some dodgy things themselves), at the same time, I think Apple will be better off having their engineers and executives focussing on innovating again.

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I don't see how on earth she isn't doing her job.  She's just giving both sides the opportunity to settle this in a way that may end up with a fairer result.  The truth is, juries can be inconsistent, especially in cases like this.

 

Ultimately, whichever way this goes, I think Apple will be better off once it's over and done with.  Having worked for a company that got involved in prosecuting a patent infringement, I know how much of the senior executives and senior engineers time was taken up preparing for their day in court.

 

While I think it will be grossly unfair if Samsung have been stealing ideas from Apple and they get away with it (and vice versa for that matter, I love Apple stuff, but I'm not pro-Apple enough to think that the biggest corporation in the world isn't capable of doing some dodgy things themselves), at the same time, I think Apple will be better off having their engineers and executives focussing on innovating again.

 

Is this the third or fourth time she has unsuccessfully tried this?

 

It is pretty clear at this stage that neither side will budge from their immutable positions.

 

Time to buckle down and keep going.

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Is this the third or fourth time she has unsuccessfully tried this?

 

It is pretty clear at this stage that neither side will budge from their immutable positions.

 

Time to buckle down and keep going.

 

But that's clearly happening.  She hasn't said it won't goto the jury if they don't speak to each other again, she's just nudged them to consider it again.  It costs neither side nothing to at least think about it.

 

Judge Koh, from what I've read, seems to have handled a difficult case pretty well to me.  Ultimately her job is to ensure a fair outcome to the case - if she thinks there is a greater chance of that happening by trying to get the parties talking again, good on her.

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Awfully touchy. Settlements are common. Juries tend to do surprising things sometimes. There seem to be a lot of emotions in that courtroom and I think she is reminding everyone that one or both sides might find themselves wishing they had settled if this goes to the jury. Everyone assumes only Samsung would benefit from the settlement. All the blogs, tweets, and opinions in the world don't mean squat. All that matters is what those people on the jury believe. We only know who wins when it is over and the verdict is read.
Based on the amount of conviction I see on this forum, it was probably wise for her to remind them that sometimes juries surprise you. If Apple does win and wins big, Samsung may wish it would have settled. If Apple wins but not as big as it expected, there's a chance they turned down a better agreement to go to trial.
I think Samsung is in the wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm not a little nervous the jury might not see things my way.

 

 

I have trouble figuring out how to get Samsung to stop copying since that's all they to know how to do and they blatantly deny doing it.

 

 

 
post #33 of 97

Judge Koh has been labelled an Apple shill in regards to this court case, and at times I have agreed with that. To be honest, I think her asking for peaceful talks, is primarily because she thinks Appel are gunna have their asses handed to them by a jury verdict, therefore, to protect her Apple chums, she's now dragging up the peaceful settlement question.

 

Apple came to this case with all the cheerleading from Apple fans around the world, and they put on an impressive show, at first. Then Samsung basically demolished Apple when they took to the stand by means of getting to the heart of the matter and saying some of these Apple patents should be invalidated. Quite right, too.

 

Samsung didn't copy Apple.

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Judge Says NO To Testimony From Samsung Designer
http://galaxystocks.com/24615/business-news/judge-says-no-to-testimony-from-samsung-designer-aapl/

Judge bars Samsung designer from testifying in Apple trial
Read more: http://www.itproportal.com/2012/08/13/judge-bars-samsung-designer-from-testifying-in-apple-trial/#ixzz23SuNRUQM

Key Samsung designer barred from testifying in Apple case
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57491835-37/key-samsung-designer-barred-from-testifying-in-apple-case/

Honestly, it probably is already over, because from day one, the judge decided to bar any evidence that might work against Apple.
 

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It makes me livid. 

 

Dude, there's more important things in life to be livid about than two mega-rich corporations squabbling.  

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I think the Judge Koh sees that Apple will loose as Sammy started pouring out evidences, that's why she suggested a peace talk.  Or she may have been consulted by Apple for it?  Not sure, maybe she has done that for the benefit of her country, USA.

So far, I don't see it.  I think the two of them should have been adults and resolved this thing without having to go public.  At least MS and Apple have their agreement not to copy each other.


When Samsung first came out with their Apple wannabe products, the first thing that came to my mind was RIP OFF.  I held one of their tablets in my hand and thought.  "This thing is a cheap knockoff".  NOPE.  Not gonna buy it.  Wouldn't be prudent in this juncture.

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DId Apple have wind of Samsung's product?  The first iPhone was in development 2 1/2 years prior to the first iPhone was announced is what Jobs mentioned at the MacWorld announcement date in Jan. 2007.  But since Samsung is a supplier of PANELS FOR THE iPHONE, when did Apple give them specs for a new panel to use, so Apple probably discussions about THEIR product BEFORE Samsung started developing THEIR product. Is what I think.  I think it would be important for Apple to find out what the first day they began discussions on obtaining components from Samsung.  That may have been long before the Samsung designs.  The first iPhone was released in Jan 2007, so Apple would have to have a LOT more than 6 months to develop and sell a product and Apple was going to Samsung for components.  That's what I think.

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But that's clearly happening.  She hasn't said it won't goto the jury if they don't speak to each other again, she's just nudged them to consider it again.  It costs neither side nothing to at least think about it.

Judge Koh, from what I've read, seems to have handled a difficult case pretty well to me.  Ultimately her job is to ensure a fair outcome to the case - if she thinks there is a greater chance of that happening by trying to get the parties talking again, good on her.

She's also protecting her resume. If the verdict is appealed -- which it will be, regardless of which side wins -- and loses, that will impact her viability for future political positions or more senior judgeships.

These folks are way more political than you might imagine.
post #39 of 97

No matter what, Apple is moving its billions away from Samsung. This will not go well for Samsung. All manufacturing will not be done by them anymore. Other companies like LG and Panasonic will take Apple's business in no time!

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I hope they do settle. I'm not convinced it will go Apple's way, and losing this would be worse than settling IMO.
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