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AT&T to require new Mobile Share data plans for FaceTime calls over cellular

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AT&T on Friday announced it will be limiting FaceTime over 3G and 4G networks to iPhone users who sign up for the carrier's upcoming Mobile Share plans, which are slated to launch later this month.

While the wireless carrier will be providing FaceTime for free over its network, the catch is that subscribers will have to add sign up for the new Mobile Share data plans announced earlier in August.

Oddly, AT&T said iPhone owners can still use FaceTime for free on Wi-Fi networks, though that particular feature is not under the control of wireless providers.

From the statement:

AT&T will offer FaceTime over Cellular as an added benefit of our new Mobile Share data plans, which were created to meet customers? growing data needs at a great value. With Mobile Share, the more data you use, the more you save. FaceTime will continue to be available over Wi-Fi for all our customers.



AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson in July said it was "too early" to talk about FaceTime over the company's network. The statement was made in response to a error message discovered in Apple's iOS 6 beta, prompting speculation the service would be fee-based.

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In a subsequent report, Sprint noted it would be offering the feature for free when the next-gen iOS 6 launches this fall.

Speculation that FaceTime would be offered over cellular networks first began when a warning message in iOS 5.5.1 regarding 3G network data settings appeared to hint at the unannounced service.
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*shrug* Bring it on.

 

The more they try to do stuff like this, the faster they're speeding themselves to their legal demise. Eventually everything they're doing here is going to come crashing down, people fired/jailed, monopolies torn apart, and they'll have only themselves to blame.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

*shrug* Bring it on.

 

The more they try to do stuff like this, the faster they're speeding themselves to their legal demise. Eventually everything they're doing here is going to come crashing down, people fired/jailed, monopolies torn apart, and they'll have only themselves to blame.

How so?

 

They havent removed any features.  If you want to add new ones you have to be in their new plan.

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F@*% AT&T. Talk about actively trying to drive away customers! Charge for something that should be included as part of the data package...makes perfect sense. Are they going to charge other video apps/providers as well??

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I honestly don't see how this is legal. Apple introduces a new feature and AT&T is deciding *for us* how we can use OUR data that we paid for. There is absolutely no difference on AT&T's end whether I'm pulling from two 2GB plans instead of a 4GB bucket. This is nothing more than a move to try and get people off unlimited plans.

 

Would it be OK if U-Verse or Charter (or whatever internet carriers are out there) told you that you can only view certain webpages or use certain programs if you sign up for their new internet plans?

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How so?

 

Pretending that data isn't data isn't data isn't data is a slope covered in axle grease, banana peels, marbles, and anti-friction spray.

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M@#$ers! If I upgrade to a new iPhone this year, it is going to be Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile whoever will give me FaceTime over cellular data service I already paid for.

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This is nothing more than a move to try and get people off unlimited plans.

 

 

The point is that I have a limited 2GB plan. And I still can't use FaceTime even within 2GB I paid. Same for tethering.

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How can AT&T get away with this?

 

I should be able to run Facetime over 3G using any plan.  What does it matter what software is using my plan's bandwidth allocation?

 

This is the same thinking that led them to charge more for tethering even though it shouldn't matter since AT&T is only providing the bandwidth for me to run 3G apps on my smartphone and TCP/IP traffic is the same whether it is from a tethered device or from the smartphone (as far as the 3G link is concerned).

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One word.

 

Jailbreak.
 

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Jailbreak until you decide to upgrade.  I'll stay with att until i decide to upgrade, which should be December or January.  I'll be heading over to Sprint.  I'm tired of these guys robbing us.  Vote with your pocket and move.  

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This helps me feel even better about ditching AT&T when I get my next iPhone!

 

The problems of AT&T vs. the problems of Verizon (such as lack of simultaneous voice and data on 3G!) have been closely in balance for me, but the balance is tipping...

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They havent removed any features.  If you want to add new ones you have to be in their new plan.

 

The issue is when a data service provider tries to distinguish traffic. It makes no sense that I pay for a 4 GB data plan, and if I use the Skype mobile client I can get video calls within that quota but FaceTime is not permitted.

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Originally Posted by DarkVader View Post
One word.

 

Jailbreak.

 

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This is why I use Straight Talk. I get the "benefit" of AT&T (the benefit being that it's network is GSM based) without the hassle. I never buy a subsidized, locked phone because the payback is only 8 months (plus a phone with a higher resale value). Plus, I get a lower monthly cost.

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*shrug* Bring it on.

 

The more they try to do stuff like this, the faster they're speeding themselves to their legal demise. Eventually everything they're doing here is going to come crashing down, people fired/jailed, monopolies torn apart, and they'll have only themselves to blame.

 

I'm not so sure.  We've had five years of the iPhone and so far absolutely nothing has changed in regards the monopolistic situation of the carriers and the shitty deals and contracts they offer their customers.  All those hopes of the iPhone "changing everything" seem to have been misplaced.  They are making more money than ever before, and are in general more powerful than they were before. 

 

This is one of those situations where the government should step in and force competition and/or reasonable prices.  The market isn't going to do it. 

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This is why I use Straight Talk. I get the "benefit" of AT&T (the benefit being that it's network is GSM based) without the hassle. I never buy a subsidized, locked phone because the payback is only 8 months (plus a phone with a higher resale value). Plus, I get a lower monthly cost.

 

Will it support LTE iPhone?

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This is why I use Straight Talk. I get the "benefit" of AT&T (the benefit being that it's network is GSM based) without the hassle. I never buy a subsidized, locked phone because the payback is only 8 months (plus a phone with a higher resale value). Plus, I get a lower monthly cost.
That's because you know how to do math.

Most Americans are too lazy to pick up a calculator to figure out Total Cost of Ownership when they get a cellphone. Heck, I've posted cost analyses here and at MacRumors and there are people who say, "well I don't need unlimited talk" or better yet "I get a 10% corporate discount" and still don't do the math.

Their loss.

To be perfectly honest, as a share holder of both AT&T and America Movil (the parent company of Straight Talk), I'm quite happy that AT&T retains so many customers. After all, AT&T yields a 4.7% dividend payout, whereas America Movil yields 0.6%.

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Ok, this confirms that I will not be renewing my contract with AT&T. If they have the gall to say I can't use my  2GB of data the way I want with the apps I want, they don't deserve me.

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Will it support LTE iPhone?

 

We'll see. So far, none of the operators are letting MVNOs onto the LTE networks. But honestly, HSPA+ is pretty good and I don't noticed much of a performance difference in practice versus my LTE iPad.

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This is one of those situations where the government should step in and force competition and/or reasonable prices.  The market isn't going to do it. 

 

Nevertheless we have exactly the same situation with Cable and Internet monopolies for many years and the government is not willing to do anything, and perhaps never will as long as lobbying money keep coming.

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M@#$ers! If I upgrade to a new iPhone this year, it is going to be Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile whoever will give me FaceTime over cellular data service I already paid for.

Hear, hear . but i think verizon will adopt this also T-Mobile i have no hope they will get the Iphone 5 the only hope is sprint ( whats next iMessage with share data plans) when are these restrictions going to stop

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You're right, f#@k at&t. I've been with at&t since about 1991 and I'm getting ready to jump ship. Whoever said 'they're just trying to get you off their unlimited data plan' was right. DON'T DO IT. Keep your unlimited plans!!!!!!!

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We'll see. So far, none of the operators are letting MVNOs onto the LTE networks. But honestly, HSPA+ is pretty good and I don't noticed much of a performance difference in practice versus my LTE iPad.

 

Well at some places I have 45Mb down on my iPad 3. Just unreachable for HSPA+ 

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Sprint (or T-Moble!) - here I come 

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I'm glad I switched already. Didn't have an unlimited plan for them to get rid of - just a very profitable customer.
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AT&T on Friday announced it will be limiting FaceTime over 3G and 4G networkds to iPhone who sign up for the carrier's upcoming Mobile Share plans, which are slated to launch later this month.

Glad I dumped AT&T in favor of Straight Talk.
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We'll see. So far, none of the operators are letting MVNOs onto the LTE networks. But honestly, HSPA+ is pretty good and I don't noticed much of a performance difference in practice versus my LTE iPad.
The major operators are probably holding onto this card to attract/retain customers for their priciest post-paid plans. 4G! The best plans! Fastest ever!

Eventually, one of the major operators will cave in and let MVNOs connect to their LTE networks, probably after deep deployment has occurred. Once that happens, I presume the other carriers will follow in quick succession. LTE uses wireless spectrum more efficiently, so carriers actually are motivated to pare down the number of users connected via HSPA/HSPA+. Plus there's no simultaneous voice and cellular data on EV-DO.
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This helps me feel even better about ditching AT&T when I get my next iPhone!

 

The problems of AT&T vs. the problems of Verizon (such as lack of simultaneous voice and data on 3G!) have been closely in balance for me, but the balance is tipping...

 

 

You can't have voice and data on Verizon's LTE / 4G or whatever they are upgrading to?  What is this 4G/LTE just about speed and not functionality?

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
Glad I dumped AT&T in favor of Straight Talk.

 

Will you be getting the next iPhone (at all) upon launch or waiting a few weeks for people to test it on that service? 

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"I'm not so sure.  We've had five years of the iPhone and so far absolutely nothing has changed in regards the monopolistic situation of the carriers and the shitty deals and contracts they offer their customers.  All those hopes of the iPhone "changing everything" seem to have been misplaced.  They are making more money than ever before, and are in general more powerful than they were before." 

 

 

Heard of iMessage.  That ate into their SMS flows.  FaceTime is another nail in the coffin and represents beginning of the next wave power shifting from the carriers to the hardware makers.  

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It's unfortunate when commenters feel they need to invoke the "lazy Americans" stereotype. As far as I can tell, Europeans appear notoriously prone to demanding inordinate amounts of vacation and have tanking economies-often due to lack of worker productivity. Anyhow, did you ever think that some Americans simply cannot "afford" the total upfront cost of an unsubsidized phone? Or, that some Americans can afford to not care and just pay for the convenience of renewing legacy plans?

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Excuse me, but what is the source for the statement, and what is the source for the screenshot? I called AT&T enterprise customer service with a complaint based on this and they said they couldn't find any evidence that they actually made this statement or intend to do this.

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ATT put your plans where the sun don't shine.

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in iOS 5.5.1 regarding 3G network data settings appeared to hint at the unannounced service.

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in iOS 5.1.1 regarding 3G network data settings appeared to hint at the unannounced service.

 

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Pretending that data isn't data isn't data isn't data is a slope covered in axle grease, banana peels, marbles, and anti-friction spray.

Sounds like a Leslie Nielsen movie.
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Incoming text sound: "AT&T billing; your account ([xxx-xxx-xxxx]) has been terminated without refund due to unauthorized data access. Thank you for shopping with AT&T. Also, as this text is 242 characters, you have been charged for two of them, as that's over 160."

I jail broke my iPad and I bought and installed 3G unrestrictor. When I was in Atlanta for a few days on business I faced timed home once to talk to the kids. Worked perfectly on their Lte network, although honestly, I would rather talk to people on the phone rather video chat.
Since I have the ever increasingly limited unlimited plan I don't think I would do that on my iPhone.

Something that really bugs me though, is that for the people on the defined plans, where the hell does AT&T get the right to decide what people can and can not do with their data?
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post
Sounds like a Leslie Nielsen movie.

 

"This whole AT&T thing got me looking for another carrier… I needed to get in bed with a telecom, but I had to make sure I wouldn't be screwed."


Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post
Something that really bugs me though, is that for the people on the defined plans, where the hell does AT&T get the right to decide what people can and can not do with their data?

 

*sage nod*

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FUÇK you, AT&T. I'm deaf and was impressed of Steve Jobs for thinking about deaf and hard of hearing (he show it on his keynote with iPhone 4). I'm on 5GB data plan with tethering (to avoid being busted by AT&T). I don't have voice plan, just data plan. My sister and I dont want to share data plan because it cost a lot for extra GB that my sister and I both will use a lot of data. My sister use Facebook for her "business" and text. She's hearing. Me, since I'm deaf, I only use data plan. Why the fuçk ain't AT&T support this plan for FaceTime?! I'm so pissed off. I can't jump the ship and join other carrier because of stupid ass credit check with expensive deposit! So FUÇK YOU, AT&T!!!!
Posted via my IPhone 4S with stupid ass AT$T. I'm not going to use AT&T from now on. AT$T that is!!

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Tallest Skill, you can edit my English grammar for me. My English grammar sucks! lol

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post #40 of 105

The root cause of this is a lack of government intervention in the market. If the US government had mandated GSM like Europe, you would never have been in this uncompetitive, incompatible, monopolistic mess.

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