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Apple and Samsung on Saturday said no progress was made in narrowing claims against each other in the two companies' ongoing high-stakes California patent trial, making the possibility of a jury verdict all the more likely.

In a joint filing on Saturday, Apple and Samsung said "the parties have met and conferred about case narrowing, but have not been able to narrow their cases further." This means the case will go to jury deliberation barring any further development between the two tech heavyweights, reports Bloomberg.

Despite being "pathologically optimistic" that a settlement could be reached, presiding Judge Lucy Koh this week said she hoped the parties would at least narrow their claims if such an agreement didn't materialize. A winnowing of claims would make it easier for jurors to come to a decision.

In a subsequent Saturday filing, Judge Koh said the Court will be entering tentative jury instructions in installments as they are prepared, thus allowing the parties as much advance notice as possible. To that end, Apple and Samsung began maneuvering for favorable positioning as they filed some of the first "redlined" versions of the proposed documents.

Judge Koh and her staff will be responsible for filing a complete set of tentative final jury instructions on Sunday, which "will reflect the Court's rulings on all objections made by the parties" regarding the original disputed instructions. The judge ordered Apple and Samsung lead counsel to meet and resolve the litany of disputes earlier this week, saying she was "disappointed" by the situation.

One of the sticking points is a chart the jury will use as a reference to the Samsung products accused of infringing on Apple's patents. Apple argues its one-page chart is less confusing than Samsung's six-page counterpart, which includes allegedly extraneous information like Android version numbers. The Korean company disputes that Apple's chart "accurately represents the accused products."

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Apple's proposed jury instruction chart. | Source: Apple v. Samsung court documents


Samsung Chart
Page one of Samsung's proposed jury instruction chart. | Source: Apple v. Samsung court documents


It was noted in Judge Koh's order that the Court was revising the procedure for objecting to disputed jury instructions. Both parties are still required to file "no more than 16 pages of their 8 high priority objections by 8:00 a.m. on Monday," but are no longer allowed to file any further objections. Instead, Apple and Samsung counsel will need to wait for a Monday hearing, at which time the charts, as well as a number of other disputes, will be argued.



The parties also submitted proposed verdict forms (1, 2), offering a glimpse of what the jury may fill out when deciding the case if deliberations begin on Tuesday.
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Finally I can send out my invitations for the Apple winning party, anyone wanna come? There will be Appletinis and Apple flavored vodka.

 

 


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Finally I can send out my invitations for the Apple winning party, anyone wanna come? There will be Appletinis and Apple flavored vodka.

And if they lose?

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Perhaps some Sam Adams would be in order if they lose?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
And if they lose?

 

Appeal party.

 

We'll buy some bananas.

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And if they lose?

Then we will quote House: House: What do you do when you win? Kids: Party! House: What do you do when you lose? Kids: Party harder!

This is after he jumps off of the balcony of the Champagne, hooker and self pity infested hotel room after Cuddy dumps him near the end of season 7. He goes back on Vicodin and dumps his life upside down.

 

 


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Appeal party.

We'll buy some bananas.

Or that

 

 


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And if they lose?

Appeal?

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Personally I would prefer that Apple settle and license virtually every patent claim thus taking the high road. My feeling is that they would profit even more and minimize the critical media press commentaries therefore enhancing their public image and further solidifying their dominate position in mobile technology worldwide. That way they could pay the fees yet maintain their own IP. Perhaps it would add another $50 to the cost but that being subsidized would not make that much difference. When it was time to take another company to court over patents the competitor would have no counter position to argue from since Apple would have already licensed all relevant patents.

I know that sounds a bit idealistic but I don't like seeing all of Apples private research and strategy information being made public.

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Originally Posted by logandigges View Post
Then we will quote House: House: What do you do when you win? Kids: Party! House: What do you do when you lose? Kids: Party harder!
This is after he jumps off of the balcony of the Champagne, hooker and self pity infested hotel room after Cuddy dumps him near the end of season 7. He goes back on Vicodin and dumps his life upside down.

 

In retrospect, thinking about that scene sounds like me leaving college. lol.gif

 

Minus the drugs, alcohol, hookers, and hotel room. And partying. lol.gif

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And if they lose?

 

Well, at least there will be vodka...

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I don't envy this jury. I have my own thoughts and opinions from having followed Apples innovation for the iPhone closely for years. To have all this crammed in 2 weeks must be mind boggling. I expect the jury to be hung.

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I don't envy this jury. I have my own thoughts and opinions from having followed Apples innovation for the iPhone closely for years. To have all this crammed in 2 weeks must be mind boggling. I expect the jury to be hung.

I don't think they'll be hung but I do agree that this had to be a stressful case. From their PoV I'd think it would switch to petty claims of "look and feel" to overly dry technical details.

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And if they lose?

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Google’s Motorola Files New Patent Case Against Apple

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/google-s-motorola-files-new-patent-case-against-apple-at-itc

 

Whatever, Samsung is not the last one.

Good Luck with that

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World will be a better place if without Apple

 

Forum will be a better place if without liars… 

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World will be a better place if without Apple

So you prefer DOS prompts and crappy cell devices?

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Forum will be a better place if without liars… 

I'm not sure why he hasn't been banned.

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I'm not sure why he hasn't been banned.

 

No behavior that breaks the rules.

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Forum will be a better place if without liars… 

Maybe he's simply a delusionist?

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Maybe he's simply a delusionist?

 

Well, they say if you repeat a lie enough, that makes it true.

 

"Samsung is innovative."

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"Samsung is innovative."

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World will be a better place if without Apple

Ok I'll take the bait.

How would you personally benefit from the absence of Apple?

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So you prefer DOS prompts and crappy cell devices?

The command line is superior... on "Windows" PC's (The Windows Vista/7 start menu also counts as a command line.) It's also only way to use Linux PC's. On the Mac it's nicely done up in a way that you never have to use a command line, but the option exists.

Crappy cell devices... Motorola has never produced a non-crappy phone. Stylistically they were prefered by Americans because of the "whoa cool flipphone" factor. Nokia was stubbornly slow to realize this, produced technologically superior devices, but their phones were always ugly or poorly thought out. Nokia's flipphone looked like a Gameboy SP, Nokia's N-Gage had the "side talking taco" problem that turned into a meme. Samsung and LG just made phones that copied Motorola back then, and their phones were poorly engineered and barely worked on US networks. Nokia and Motorola squandered the leads they had in their respective home markets.

Like, call me skeptical, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes from Samsung. The produce nothing but cheap pretty copycat trash. They may make outlandish claims about not copying, but the very fact that Samsung was producing parts for Apple was probably enough for engineers to do what we've seen in the leaks, put the parts together and fill in the missing blanks. Once a real device came out, they had every opportunity to copy it better. Maybe there were meetings held privately "off the record" where someone went "so we put all the apple parts we are producing together, and suspect Apple is making X, Y and maybe a Z"

I have no love for Samsung, and no love for Motorola, and both of these come from having to deal with customers returned/exchanging them. I would never sell their stuff at any price.
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The command line is superior... on "Windows" PC's (The Windows Vista/7 start menu also counts as a command line.) It's also only way to use Linux PC's. On the Mac it's nicely done up in a way that you never have to use a command line, but the option exists.

 

"Only way", huh.

 

Your line of thinking was outmoded 28 years ago.

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And if they lose?

That's how the system works.

 

If I were Apple, I'd gladly take my chances with a jury than Judge Koh.

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Ok I'll take the bait.

How would you personally benefit from the absence of Apple?

You'll be waiting a long time for an answer for a long time.

 

Good luck.

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Google’s Motorola Files New Patent Case Against Apple

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/google-s-motorola-files-new-patent-case-against-apple-at-itc

 

Whatever, Samsung is not the last one.

Good Luck with that

Apple is 'one and only' trouble maker in industry.

World will be a better place if without Apple

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If there was no Apple, how could Samsung or anyone else have copied them? World wouldn't be a better place.

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I love Apple but for the sake of humanity I hope they lose! Apple losing will set an example for every other corporation who tries to bully the small guy. Go Samsung! Free Apple Juice for everyone when Apple loses.

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I love Apple but for the sake of humanity I hope they lose! Apple losing will set an example for every other corporation who tries to bully the small guy. Go Samsung! Free Apple Juice for everyone when Apple loses.

I mostly feel the same way. Been an Apple shareholder since before the iPod, but something drastic needs to happen in order for this lawsuit happy environment to end. Only people benefitting from this are lawyers and patent trolls. I understand the reasons for patents but it surely hinders competition (generally speaking). Competition is good for everyone. Intel and MS got lazy when they were the top dog, i don't want to see Apple do the same.

I own...

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They all are used regularly and each have their place. Competition is good.

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I love Apple but for the sake of humanity I hope they lose! Apple losing will set an example for every other corporation who tries to bully the small guy. Go Samsung! Free Apple Juice for everyone when Apple loses.

 

Really?! I guess you also support those little chinese copycats (like Goapple) who make total ripoffs of the iPhone too!
 

(Is Samsung the small guy? ROFL)

 

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Is Judge Koh Kohrean by any chance? He seems very bias against Apple.

 

FYI 'she' is of Korean descent and born in the US.

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That's how the system works.

 

If I were Apple, I'd gladly take my chances with a jury than Judge Koh.

You do know that the Judge can overthrow the Jury's decision if she/he doesnt agree with its outcome, no?

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Is Judge Koh Kohrean by any chance? He seems very bias against Apple.

Judge Koh is of Korean heritage but was born in the USA and he is also a she. At least half of the articles on AI that mention her name also include a picture of her.
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You do know that the Judge can overthrow the Jury's decision if she/he doesnt agree with its outcome, no?
Then why bother with a jury trial at all?
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Apple is 'one and only' trouble maker in industry.

 

If you bothered to get your facts straight, then you would know that the "trouble maker" in this instance is Motorola, who sued Apple first.

 

They also sued Microsoft, first.

 

Apple and Microsoft are defending themselves against Motorola's unprovoked attack.

 

Google only bought Motorola because this "trouble maker" was also threatening to sue Samsung, HTC and other Android handset makers, they forced Google's hand in the scam of the century, twelve and a half billion dollars, laughing all the way to the bank.

 

The world will be a better place without Motorola, the pager is as dead as they soon will be.

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Google’s Motorola Files New Patent Case Against Apple

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-17/google-s-motorola-files-new-patent-case-against-apple-at-itc

 

Whatever, Samsung is not the last one.

Good Luck with that

Apple is 'one and only' trouble maker in industry.

World will be a better place if without Apple

 

You one and only trouble maker on forum?

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You one and only trouble maker on forum?

 

Yes... and also yes.

 

He is also arguing in a fundamentally wrong way. 

 

He says APPLE is causing trouble (presumably because they sue everyone).

Yet in the article he links to... even the headline says, that GOOGLE is suing here... 

If we go by the crude and simplistic logic... GOOGLE is the trouble maker here... not Apple. 

 

I mean...hell... if you wanna make a case against Apple... say that they are douches... you can. But at least do it logically.

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Samsung is counting on the cheap mentality of the Westerns ( no wonders european police makers and european car manufacturers are afraid of Chinese and South Korean cars ).

And it may win.

 

It is a crime to download movies from the internet even if you do not make any money out of it.

It is normal for a big international corporation to steal other big corporation and make money, billions.

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Ok I'll take the bait.

How would you personally benefit from the absence of Apple?

Simple, how an envier ( from my dictionary.app • Envy is best defined as a resentful emotion that "occurs when a person lacks another's(perceived) superior quality, achievement or possession and wishes that the other lacked it." )  feels when his/her wish become reality?

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