Apple's 'iPhone 5 Tsunami' predicted to sell 250M units over life cycle - Page 2

"50 $ in earnings" : before or after taxes ? (cf Monty Python)

I'm really not sure why there's so much hype over the potential success of the iPhone 5. It's just another incremental upgrade. It's physically near identical to the last two models, the screen size is barely any larger - and certainly a long, long way behind Android sizes, and it will get the usual small mid-cycle GPU bump from the iPad 3.  I guess there'll be 4G for one or two markets, but for nobody else.  

So why the hype? What is the iPhone 5 doing that's so new?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleInsider 

He believes Apple's next iPhone will "help the industry migrate to a better balance between content provider and end-user revenue sources to support continued investment."

That sentence may have touched on Apple's television strategy.  I think Apple is taking its time with TV for several reasons.  The first and most obvious reason is the process of getting movie and TV studios to sign contracts to provide their content through iTunes.  That will take years.  But an even long-term task just might be getting the cell carriers to develop a wireless infrastructure capable of leapfrogging the traditional cable and satellite TV networks.

Yes, LTE is much faster than previous 3G iterations (the full name of "LTE" being "3GPP Long Term Evolution.")  But, even though the actual technology for "real 4G" hasn't even been decided yet, the 4G technical requirements include 1Gbit/sec download to stationary and slow-moving devices (e.g. walking around) and 100Mbit/sec to highly mobile devices (when you're riding in cars, trains.)  And, if "real 4G" becomes pervasive and reliable enough, it could replace conventional cable and satellite networks.

So, maybe 10 years from now, Apple's TV solution will rely completely on wireless high-speed data to living rooms as well as portable devices.  All streamed from iCloud.  Live streaming for news, sports, concerts, etc.  Pre-recorded streaming for everything else, available just seconds after it's been broadcast.  No need for DVR recording, because it would just be a duplicate of what's on the Apple servers anyway.  And, of course, no cable guy or dish installation.  

I seriously doubt that Apple would want to ship a conventional TiVo-like set-top box with a cable or satellite input and DVR feature.  Bad idea, from an Apple-centric viewpoint.  Better to totally leapfrog all of that legacy 20th-century technology.

Originally Posted by kotatsu 

So why the hype? What is the 6th iPhone doing that's so new?

It's revealing trolls and their useless, ignorant "opinions" on the forums better than any previous model.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

On the contrary. I think we know the name of the new device now.

 

"iPhone 4T". Tagline: 'Because T comes after S'.

I used to think that Apple would give it a marketing name of "the new iPhone," and hide the actual "iPhone 5,1" internal model number.

And, next year, when there a newer "new iPhone," I figured Apple would disambiguate things by calling the 2013 iPhone the "iPhone (6th gen)."

But now I'm 50/50.  I think it'll either be "new iPhone" or "iPhone 5."

Not because the "5" makes any sense.  Because that's what the market (i.e. consumers) are expecting now.

Flip a coin.

Originally Posted by SockRolid 
Not because the "5" makes any sense.  Because that's what the market (i.e. consumers) are expecting now.

Who gives a frick what they think?  The market thought it was "iPhone 5" last year and Apple didn't give it to them. Apple specifically dropped the numbering from the iPad's name because they didn't want to be predictable. And instead of taking the hint, the market (i.e. morons) continues to give a number to the next iPhone. 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

It's revealing trolls and their useless, ignorant "opinions" on the forums better than any previous model.

Think of it this way: even web traffic from trolls counts as web traffic to AppleInsider.com.

More traffic -> higher Page ranking -> more attractive to advertisers -> higher revenue for AppleInsider.com.

There will be more and more trolling as Apple becomes more and more influential in more and more industries.

(Looking at you, TV industry...)  And all that trolling will make AppleInsider.com, a premier pro-Apple site, even more successful.

Yay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Who gives a frick what they think?  The market thought it was "iPhone 5" last year and Apple didn't give it to them. Apple specifically dropped the numbering from the iPad's name because they didn't want to be predictable. And instead of taking the hint, the market (i.e. morons) continues to give a number to the next iPhone. 

I do see your point.  And yeah, Apple has a habit of telling consumers what they really wanted instead of asking them.

(Which has worked quite well for them, especially over the past decade or so.)

"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said 'a faster horse.' "

- Henry Ford

Originally Posted by SockRolid 

…successful.

Odd definition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

Originally Posted by kotatsu 

So why the hype? What is the 6th iPhone doing that's so new?

 

It's revealing trolls and their useless, ignorant "opinions" on the forums better than any previous model.

LOL!  I was going to post something like:  "I dunno, but whatever it is -- it seems to have worked (to upset you)".

But yours is much more succinct!

Quote:

Originally Posted by starbird73 

Back to the post -- I think this makes sense. All those that were waiting for the iPhone to hit Verizon and got it day 1 back in Feb 2010 are either about to be eligible, or will be eligible by 10/7 for an upgrade. Add to that Verizon having a huge LTE lead over everyone else in the states, and I see this one selling extremely well on Verizon. Heck, I am so ready, I accepted the gazelle.com offer for my Verizon iPhone 4 today, so I will be able to upgrade my 32 gb 4 to a 32gb new iPhone for about $99. (assuming price/size stays the same).
This will be Verizon's best selling phone this season, I think.

People are ignoring fact that the carriers (worldwide not just US) are in an excellent position to screw Apple over on sales for this particular phone because it's an upgrade that needs a brand new SIM card.  

The lack of availability of the new SIMs (both real and pretend on the part of the carriers), plus the fact that they will try to screw everyone over for a new contract will have some dampening effect.  It will still have huge sales, but there will definitely be problems unless the SIM turns out to be backwards compatible or something.  

Quote:

Originally Posted by SockRolid 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

On the contrary. I think we know the name of the new device now.

 

"iPhone 4T". Tagline: 'Because T comes after S'.

 

I used to think that Apple would give it a marketing name of "the new iPhone," and hide the actual "iPhone 5,1" internal model number.

And, next year, when there a newer "new iPhone," I figured Apple would disambiguate things by calling the 2013 iPhone the "iPhone (6th gen)."

 

But now I'm 50/50.  I think it'll either be "new iPhone" or "iPhone 5."

Not because the "5" makes any sense.  Because that's what the market (i.e. consumers) are expecting now.

 

Flip a coin.

iPhone ][...  iPhone///... iPhone RT...  or my favorite  iPhone SJ -- it's a Duesy   (after the Duesenbergh)  

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilgto64 

hmmm - do you suppose they'll call it the "The New iPhone" instead of iPhone 5 ?

 

or maybe iPhone 4LTE ?

 

or maybe if it has an A6 chip in it they will call it the iPhone 6 ?

 

or maybe if it has a 4.3" Screen they will call it the iPhone 4.3LTE, the phone that Rhymes (or would that be reserved for the Iphony4.3LTE)?

 

 

 

There is little to no chance they'd call it iPhone 5 since iPhone 4S was the 5th iPhone... also its stupid to keep the numbers up... what will we have 20 years from now?  the iPhone 18 ?  Its most likely they'll go with the Mac and iPad number strategy and just call it iPhone.  Yes they'll launch it as "the new iPhone" but that doesn't mean its called "the new iPhone" ... that New iPad joke got very old very fast and it just isn't funny at all anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotatsu 

 

So why the hype? What is the iPhone 5 doing that's so new?

Siri's sister Miri will cook breakfast and do laundry while Siri gets more sarcastic and obnoxious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotatsu 

... the iPhone 5. It's just another incremental upgrade. It's physically near identical to the last two models, the screen size is barely any larger   ...

This is pure garbage.  The phone is a completely different design this time.  

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

 

This is pure garbage.  The phone is a completely different design this time.  

...we're assuming based on "leaks".

Originally Posted by Gazoobee 
The phone is a completely different design this time.  

Okay, now, that's… going a bit far in the other direction. You certainly cannot argue that it has changed, but you can argue that it has completely changed.

I know it'll be my first iPhone, Verizon Month-to-month FTW! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by malax 

"$50 in earning" seems conservative.

Only a tad, What'd you go? I'd say maybe $75.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jragosta 


MSNBC headline:
Apple iPhone sales projected to fall 14% in 4Q13 quarter. /s

Always wishing your competitors ill will and contriving everything to your benefit, Oh you Microsoft.

[img] http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579865_10150832872412562_155831895_n.jpg [/img]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleZilla 

Two please. Right now. Our iPhone 4s feel so sluggish these days.

 

Just gotta figure out whether to leave AT&Thieves for Verizon or not.

 

No sign of AT&T LTE in Philly. That might do it.

I'll bite. What the hell are you doing on a 4S that makes it feel 'sluggish'? I'm serious. It's been smooth as butter since the day I got it, and I've tried hundreds of apps on it, and probably the more intensive ones out there. Still more responsive than any other phone I've used, even the new flagship Android ones ( One X, S3). So tell me, in what situation does the 4S feel sluggish? I've never once heard this comment, either online or from anyone I know that owns the phone. 

Originally Posted by starbird73 
Good point. However, will Verizon users need a sim?

Need? Not to my knowledge. Um… they DO use SIMs for some LTE stuff, though, don't they? Voice and 3G data will still be over CDMA, so Apple will have to have the componentry for that in the phone, at least until everyone can get voice over LTE standardized… 

Quote:

Originally Posted by doh123 

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilgto64 

hmmm - do you suppose they'll call it the "The New iPhone" instead of iPhone 5 ?

 

or maybe iPhone 4LTE ?

 

or maybe if it has an A6 chip in it they will call it the iPhone 6 ?

 

or maybe if it has a 4.3" Screen they will call it the iPhone 4.3LTE, the phone that Rhymes (or would that be reserved for the Iphony4.3LTE)?

 

 

 

There is little to no chance they'd call it iPhone 5 since iPhone 4S was the 5th iPhone... also its stupid to keep the numbers up... what will we have 20 years from now?  the iPhone 18 ?  Its most likely they'll go with the Mac and iPad number strategy and just call it iPhone.  Yes they'll launch it as "the new iPhone" but that doesn't mean its called "the new iPhone" ... that New iPad joke got very old very fast and it just isn't funny at all anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotatsu 

 

So why the hype? What is the iPhone 5 doing that's so new?

Siri's sister Miri will cook breakfast and do laundry while Siri gets more sarcastic and obnoxious.

Reminds me of my youth... There were the triplet Rabohmderay sisters: Mara, Tara and Lara.  Lara was the youngest and the prettiest -- Mara was the oldest and the smartest...

But my favorite was... wait for it...  Tara Rabohmderay..

Sammy's announced a 2-sim phone for the European market. Advantageous for travelers I imagine, with support for two concurrent phone numbers and two carrier's. That would be an interesting path for Apple to take IMO. I have friend's now who travel between the UK and the States on a regular basis (several times a year) and are frequently changing SIMs and numbers. Apparently it's even more of an issue in Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairthrope 

 

With NASDAQ tanking, Apple will become their Hail Mary Pass for several investors and fund managers. If Apple could not pull it off, another round of Wall Street layoffs could be on.

 

Which bank or fund might close the door if Apple could not reach $700 this year?

In what world is the NASDAQ at: 3,074 considered `tanking'?

http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXNASDAQ:.IXIC

Do a 10 year sample. It's not tanking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairthrope 

I remembered you told us Apple is not immune to U.S. recession, and I believe that. But why the recession begins to bite Apple now, this time this year?

First of all it's NEXT year that the iPhone purchases will fall off, and secondly, it's not a recession that may cause it, it's that so many will purchase an iPhone THIS year and they won't be ready to buy another one next year. You could say that Apple is pumping the pipeline to have explosive sales every other year.

Can't see Apple calling it iPhone LTE as LTE is specific to the US. No one in Europe will have any idea what LTE is.
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuxoM3 

FWIW - I am sure Apple will sell a lot of them... in the US. 

 

The iPhone is struggling in Europe as carriers aren't subsidizing as much and europeans aren't as tech crazy as we are.
Also, higher speed networks are REALLY hit/miss there. China, the iPhone is doing so-so. 

 

250M units though is a pretty crazy number, but feasible if you are talking the ENTIRE product lifecycle... maybe 2/2.5 years?

Heck the iPhone 3GS is just starting to end of life.

 

The ONLY thing I truly think that may hold the iPhone (or iPad) back at this point is iOS. I know you guys, myself included, like the simplicity of the OS. But, compared to newer OS' like Android Jellybean(?) or even Windows 8... there's a TON of features one wishes iOS had integrated into the OS versus using an app for... which Android and Windows 8 has built-in versus requiring an app to do that. And with most tech users, once we get the foundation usage patterns established, we tend to want a little bit more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Struggling in Europe! Certainly not in the UK where iPhone is the dominant high end smartphone. Carrier subsidies mean nothing when the cheapest ownership model is to buy the phone outright and get a dirt cheap sim only contract. Way cheaper that a typical 2 year UK contract with a 4S from a major carrier. If anyone is struggling in the UK it's Samsung. The 2 year ownership cost for a high end Samsung makes them expensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotatsu 

I'm really not sure why there's so much hype over the potential success of the iPhone 5. It's just another incremental upgrade. It's physically near identical to the last two models, the screen size is barely any larger - and certainly a long, long way behind Android sizes, and it will get the usual small mid-cycle GPU bump from the iPad 3.  I guess there'll be 4G for one or two markets, but for nobody else.  

 

So why the hype? What is the iPhone 5 doing that's so new?

Why the hype? Maybe, I dunno, cause Apple's devices consistently set the template and the tone for everyone else in the industry (or industries) and what they do reverberates more than anyone else. Your definition of screen size as the standard for judging the phone's value is hilarious. What is the iPhone 5 doing thats so new? A better question would be, what the hell do you know about the next iPhone? The answer is nothing. Maybe you should wait until the damn thing is unveiled to come to any judgement, cause as of now everyone is still in the dark. It's not a stretch to assume Apple has a few things up its sleeve left to surprise, from a software/hardware standpoint. 

I love how the reaction of the trolls with every device unveiling (or in this case, pre-unveiling) is 'Whats the big deal'? 

'Whats the big deal? Its just a massive iPod touch. Doesnt even have a real OS. Tablets are doomed to fail anyway. Blah blah blah'. 

Then, after the devices changes the course of the entire industry, it changes to 'oh, well that was the natural evolution anyway, Apple's product/solution was 'obvious', and other such bullshit. The hype, at the end of the day, is because the iPhone is really the only smartphone that matters. Nobody else has the full package, nor is making any real dent in progressing the medium.  Its still astronomically ahead in build quality, useability, OS responsiveness, support, app ecosystem, customer satisfaction, etc. Nothing else touches it in this regard, but according to you all this stuff doesn't matter to most people, its all about having ridiculously large screen sizes, so therefore iPhone is 'a long, long way behind. Right. 

Originally Posted by Omegazeta 
Can't see Apple calling it iPhone LTE as LTE is specific to the US. No one in Europe will have any idea what LTE is.

You really need to bone up on things before just talking. You're right about the first seven words, and that's all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

You really need to bone up on things before just talking. You're right about the first seven words, and that's all.

I didn't make myself clear. The term LTE just isn't used by the marketing departments of European carriers. The whole European focus has been to refer just to 4G. In the UK even that is a long way off, apart from a few technical trials. The frequency auction is yet to take place and Ofcom are talking of consumers not getting a service until late 2013 at the earliest.

Originally Posted by LizSandford 
Typical AI sloppiness. It's hard to proof your work when your lips are planted on Tim Cook's behind.

It's even harder when you've slavishly copied real lips. 

How about instead of ragging on the article you point out what's incorrect and I'll fix it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairthrope 

I though iPhone 5 would be the easiest choice. They can even keep LTE for S version when AT&T is ready with proper LTE coverage. Since LTE equivalent on GSM is not ready for prime time yet.

Yeah and I though iPad 3 was the easiest choice for The new iPad. so what comes next The new2 iPad, The new iPad2, the iPad4? just The iPad, The new new iPad, The newer iPad, then after that The newest iPad? 

Originally Posted by lilgto64 
Yeah and I though iPad 3 was the easiest choice for The new iPad. so what comes next The new2 iPad, The new iPad2, the iPad4? just The iPad, The new new iPad, The newer iPad, then after that The newest iPad? 

 

It's hard to tell if you're serious about this. Please tell me you're not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilgto64 

 

Yeah and I though iPad 3 was the easiest choice for The new iPad. so what comes next The new2 iPad, The new iPad2, the iPad4? just The iPad, The new new iPad, The newer iPad, then after that The newest iPad? 

 

Don't ask me, ask Ive. He was the one who chose new iPad rather than iPad 3.

Originally Posted by Fairthrope 
Don't ask me, ask Ive. He was the one who chose new iPad rather than iPad 3.

You mean Phil Schiller. 

Did he explain or gave an interview why the change?

Originally Posted by Fairthrope 
Did he explain or gave an interview why the change?

"We don't want to be predictable." iPad 3 was predictable.

I forget if he said that at the keynote or in an interview afterward.