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Facing declining PC sales in the wake of Apple's iPad, Hewlett-Packard this week is expected to report a record quarterly loss of nearly $9 billion.

HP will deliver its results after the market closes on Wednesday, but expectations are already low, as the company warned investors earlier this month that it will write down the cost of its $13 billion acquisition of Electronic Data Systems in 2008. Investors expect that HP lost between $4.39 and $4.49 per share during the three-month span that ended in July, according to the Associated Press, which would be a loss of between $8.5 billion and $8.9 billion, the company's worst quarterly performance in its history.

HP has seen its PC sales drop sharply in the face of Apple's iPad. In the second quarter of 2012, HP was the top PC vendor in the U.S., but its unit sales were down 12.7 percent, according to data from Gartner.

With the iPad included in PC sales, Apple is the No. 1 worldwide PC vendor, having accounted for 19.4 percent of all shipments, according to the latest data from Canalys. The iPad helped Apple achieve year-over-year sales growth of 59.6 percent, while HP's PC sales fell 11.3 percent worldwide, putting the company in second place with 12.5 percent of all PC shipments.

Things aren't expected to get much better for HP in the current quarter, which concludes in October. PC makers like HP are waiting on Microsoft to launch Windows 8, its next-generation operating system. Windows 8 will debut on October 26, nearly at the end of HP's current fiscal quarter.

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HP made an initial push into the tablet market when it bought Palm and used the webOS mobile operating system for its TouchPad touchscreen tablet last year. But the TouchPad quickly faltered and HP abandoned the hardware with a $99 fire sale soon after the device debuted.

Some industry watchers expect that PC sales will continue on a downward trend through the rest of the year. Contributing to those losses is believed to be Apple's iPad, which is projected by one analyst to sell 69 million units this year alone.

As for HP's tablet plans going forward, one report in July claimed that the company had scrapped plans to build tablets based on Microsoft's Windows RT platform built for ARM-based touchscreen tablet devices. It was suggested that HP decided not to compete with Microsoft's own Surface, and could instead develop its own tablets based on Google's Android mobile operating system.
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Megabucks Whitless has worked her magic at HP, I see.  A worthy successor to Carly Failorina...

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some post record profits ... other record losses ...

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Couldn't be that their computers suck

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Good. What a shitty company. Never had a single product form them that did not have repeated hardware failures. 

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Contributing to those losses is believed to be Apple's iPad, which is projected by one analyst to sell 69 million units this year alone.

 

69 million this year?  I wouldn't bet against 120+ million next year.  (Especially if there really is an "iPad Air" in the pipeline...)

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Good. What a shitty company. Never had a single product form them that did not have repeated hardware failures. 

 

HP used to make some incredibly good calculators.

But that was then and this is now and yeah, they're a shitty company now.

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All the more reason for Apple to protect their IP. 

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I still don't agree with saying an iPad is a computer exactly. I currently own an iPad 2, iPhone, and have ordered a Macbook Pro with retina (so i'm not a hater). An iPad is like a PC but not at the same time. I argue both ways because it is and isn't a computer. But I do like how the article says, if iPads are counted.

 

 

Anyway, like I said before, I ordered a new laptop, my 6 year old dell is just too old to do what I need. HP laptops have NEVER impressed me and look just basic to me. They always seemed not to have good build quality to me.

 

Anyway, Dell was the only PC company they I would have bought a PC from. I know everyone says that Dell sucks, blah blah; But my family and my GF have had great experiences with Dells. I will be the first one to switch to Mac, my brother will probably follow me one day. My mom recently got an iPad and it will do what she needs in a computer (thus where an iPad can be considered a PC)

 

 

 

 

Anyone know what kind of ship times I can expect on the macbook retina? I know it says 5-7 days, but maybe 5 days?

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All the more reason for Apple to protect their IP. 

 

"But that's not what the trial is about!"

 

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I know. HP should release their own tablet. They could sell their tablets for less money than Apple's products since everyone likes to save money. And they should probably spend a lot of money buying their own OS company so that they have a unique OS - just like Apple. And HP knows so much more about high volume production than Apple, so it should be easy. Maybe they should call them something like 'TouchPad'.

Oh, wait.........
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If I were running HP, my first step would be to look for another job. 

 

Failing that, I think I'd kill most consumer-oriented products and refocus on enterprise/government/academia. 

 

Using SJ's truck/car analogy, I'd turn HP into the best darned truck producer it can be. HP can no more compete with iPads than 1990-era GM could compete with Honda Civics. 

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Megabucks Whitless has worked her magic at HP, I see.  A worthy successor to Carly Failorina...

 

Both of whom ran for office in California (and lost, thank goodness)… 

 

Yep, they are definitely two peas of the same pod...

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Contributing to those losses is believed to be Apple's iPad

 

If you believe that, I guess it goes to show that many people do not need a full PC/laptop.

 

Interesting that MacBook Pros and Airs continue to sell well though. To what do we attribute that phenomena?

 

Perhaps people just do not need Windows?

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If I were running HP, my first step would be to look for another job. 

 

Failing that, I think I'd kill most consumer-oriented products and refocus on enterprise/government/academia. 

 

Using SJ's truck/car analogy, I'd turn HP into the best darned truck producer it can be. HP can no more compete with iPads than 1990-era GM could compete with Honda Civics. 

 

So, you'd position HP to try and compete directly with IBM then?

 

Better to just find that other job… 

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If I were running HP, my first step would be to look for another job. 

 

Failing that, I think I'd kill most consumer-oriented products and refocus on enterprise/government/academia. 

 

Using SJ's truck/car analogy, I'd turn HP into the best darned truck producer it can be. HP can no more compete with iPads than 1990-era GM could compete with Honda Civics. 

i use a lot of HP enterprise stuff. most of it is just rebranded and relabled OEM products that are tested to work together. the software is mostly crap. there is very little that HP does itself. they are like a giant QA department

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I still don't agree with saying an iPad is a computer exactly. I currently own an iPad 2, iPhone, and have ordered a Macbook Pro with retina (so i'm not a hater). An iPad is like a PC but not at the same time. I argue both ways because it is and isn't a computer. But I do like how the article says, if iPads are counted.


Anyway, like I said before, I ordered a new laptop, my 6 year old dell is just too old to do what I need. HP laptops have NEVER impressed me and look just basic to me. They always seemed not to have good build quality to me.

Anyway, Dell was the only PC company they I would have bought a PC from. I know everyone says that Dell sucks, blah blah; But my family and my GF have had great experiences with Dells. I will be the first one to switch to Mac, my brother will probably follow me one day. My mom recently got an iPad and it will do what she needs in a computer (thus where an iPad can be considered a PC)




Anyone know what kind of ship times I can expect on the macbook retina? I know it says 5-7 days, but maybe 5 days?

There was an article recently that quoted surveys from recently, and a year ago, that showed a large percentage of iPad users having an iPad as their only computer. The percentage this year was larger than last year. Somewhere above 30%, I believe.
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If I were running HP, my first step would be to look for another job. 

 

Failing that, I think I'd kill most consumer-oriented products and refocus on enterprise/government/academia. 

 

Using SJ's truck/car analogy, I'd turn HP into the best darned truck producer it can be. HP can no more compete with iPads than 1990-era GM could compete with Honda Civics. 

 

So, you'd position HP to try and compete directly with IBM then?

 

Better to just find that other job… 

I think competing with IBM was their wish, but the write down of EDS shows that wasn't working out either.

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Now, just think whats gonna happen to these companies when Microsoft releases and starts marketing the Surface as the hero Windows 8 product. They're sitting between a rock and a hard place. If they want the product to do well and compete against the iPad, they're going to have to price it extremely aggressively. Which will completely screw over their OEM partners and their profit margins. 

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HP is in the red, and it's POSSIBLE the iPad is "contributing" in some way (significantly? Maybe… or maybe JUST a little?) to that loss… Fairly vague supposition of a headline there, no?

 

I think it's more likely a competitive combination of Apple iMacs, Laptops, AND iPads (since the quarterly numbers for all three keep growing year on year)… PLUS other players who are growing dramatically… I'd give the most weight to that last one, actually...

 

Look at Lenovo for one, a much more direct competitor to HP:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-15/lenovo-earnings-rise-30-percent-as-pc-maker-boosts-market-share

 

That's going to hurt HP as much or more than a surge in iPad sales.

 

It does seem like the markets are shifting and re-consolidating somewhat. In the mobile phone space, it's Apple and Samsung now selling the most. In the PC space, Lenovo is rocketing to the top spot…. I wonder if most of that is due to their dominance in the Chinese market, or if it carries over into other Asian markets, and the US and European markets as well?

 

IF the iPad is counted in the "PC" numbers, it gives Apple a roughly 25% of the US PC Market. So, perhaps the article's supposition can be fairly applied to the US Market… not sure about places where Lenovo is strong, and since they ARE about to pass HP as the number one company in PC sales (not counting iPads)...

 

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/48b2481e-e78d-11e1-8686-00144feab49a.html#axzz246lSgZBG

 

Interesting news all around in any case...

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I think competing with IBM was their wish, but the write down of EDS shows that wasn't working out either.

The problem for both HP and Dell, both of whom are trying to model themselves after the successful IBM turnaround, is that if they can't, they will be in a world of trouble.
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I still don't agree with saying an iPad is a computer exactly. I currently own an iPad 2, iPhone, and have ordered a Macbook Pro with retina (so i'm not a hater). An iPad is like a PC but not at the same time. I argue both ways because it is and isn't a computer. But I do like how the article says, if iPads are counted.

 

 

The iPad most certainly is a computer.  The question isn't is is a computer, it's is it a PC.  My answer is it's the most personal computer ever made.  Which is why it's so quickly become so popular.  69 million units sold this year alone and likely over 100 million units sold next year.  It's competing head to head with windows PCs for sales, how do you call it anything else.

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I remember back in the '50s when Hewlett-Packard made the best oscilloscopes, and other fine test equipment.

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The iPad most certainly is a computer.

 

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This is why we can't have nice things.

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The iPad most certainly is a computer.  The question isn't is is a computer, it's is it a PC.  My answer is it's the most personal computer ever made.  Which is why it's so quickly become so popular.  69 million units sold this year alone and likely over 100 million units sold next year.  It's competing head to head with windows PCs for sales, how do you call it anything else.

Lol, once again, being an Apple form. Of course this will happen. 

Now thats where it comes in as "is and is not."   Your opinion = is; mine = is,is not    Why? I can't run heavy programs on it, I can't do 3D modeling, and even if i could, it'd be hell without a mouse or a stylus (a fine point). However, my mom has replaced her computer altogether with the iPad (3). So is it? Nope Is it not? Nope

It's simply opinion, IMO haha         If the iPad were a full computer, why would I just have ordered a Macbook to finish out my college career?

 

 

 

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There was an article recently that quoted surveys from recently, and a year ago, that showed a large percentage of iPad users having an iPad as their only computer. The percentage this year was larger than last year. Somewhere above 30%, I believe.

 

What about the other 70%? So for 30% of the world, the iPad is a full computer?    Then you can't say it is because to say it is, means that it surely is. 

 

I can't say a color is blue and expect everyone to agree when 70% of the other people say it is purple.

 

That said, I've argued the other way around before. You can't just say it is a computer or not, you would have to say something more like it is a mainstream computer for the average user or something

Cause for me, it doesn't do what a computer does; however, i love my iPad as a supplement to my computing experience.

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Megabucks Whitless has worked her magic at HP, I see.  A worthy successor to Carly Failorina...

Hey Carly, thanks for the Agilent spin off. Not that Agilent is doing that great, but Agilent stock is right about where it was 12 years ago at the IPO, whereas HP is down about 55-60%. Plus, Agilent has made a profit every quarter this last year (about 12% margin), and 4 of the last 5 years, and nearly broke even that 5th year. HP Scientific Instruments. 

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The iPad has nothing to do with HP's quarterly loss. The reason for the loss is HP has one of the highest failure rates and their systems have so much bloatware on them it takes 5 mins too boot. I see more and more consumers moving to the Macbook Air. Everyone is trying to get on the ultrabook ride and to date the only one that comes close to the Macbook Air is the Asus Zenbook Prime. Even that falls short.

 

Also look at the new 15" Macbook Pro with Retina display and 256gb of solid state storage. I see forums where some complain that it is just too expensive. If we think back there was a time when the entry level 15" pro was close to the price of the current entry level Retina display. With those specs and a 200.00 education discount that doesn't seem like a bad deal at all.

 

 

The iPhone and iPad get the most press. I think it is often overlooked at how good the Macbook pro and Air  lineup is and how good Mountain Lion is compared to Windows 7. Everyone is moving towards the ultrabook lineup and I simply see the Air taking the vast majority of that business.

 

While the iPad may have an impact on some level to the personal computer lineup I don't believe it's at big as some make it out to be, cosumers are going to buy the iPad in addition to a personal computer based on the old definition.

 

Apple is working hard to have the iPhone, iPad and Mac lineup work perfectly together. It's at least my opinion with and iPhone, iPad and Mac their isn't anything you can't do either for personal use or business.

 

 

 

Very interesting hypothesis. I could agree with you quiet a bit too. Seeing how I made the jump from a PC (was gonna be a dell) to a Macbook Pro with retina using the education discount. Very Very well informed your are my friend.

I would have to agree too because several of my friends have abandoned the PC for macbook pros

 

I also believe it is because people have to spend money on other things, so they are electing to wait on buying new computers. As well as, the iPad helping to extend the gap between buying new computers.

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Both of whom ran for office in California (and lost, thank goodness)… 

 

Yep, they are definitely two peas of the same pod...

 

HP should receive a prize for the highest number of STUPID CEOs over the last 10 or 15 years. Carly Fiorina, the (b)witch, followed later by the mentally-challenged Whitman. What else could one expect in terms of financial results?

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The iPad has nothing to do with HP's quarterly loss. The reason for the loss is HP has one of the highest failure rates and their systems have so much bloatware on them it takes 5 mins too boot. I see more and more consumers moving to the Macbook Air. Everyone is trying to get on the ultrabook ride and to date the only one that comes close to the Macbook Air is the Asus Zenbook Prime. Even that falls short.

Also look at the new 15" Macbook Pro with Retina display and 256gb of solid state storage. I see forums where some complain that it is just too expensive. If we think back there was a time when the entry level 15" pro was close to the price of the current entry level Retina display. With those specs and a 200.00 education discount that doesn't seem like a bad deal at all.


The iPhone and iPad get the most press. I think it is often overlooked at how good the Macbook pro and Air  lineup is and how good Mountain Lion is compared to Windows 7. Everyone is moving towards the ultrabook lineup and I simply see the Air taking the vast majority of that business.

While the iPad may have an impact on some level to the personal computer lineup I don't believe it's at big as some make it out to be, cosumers are going to buy the iPad in addition to a personal computer based on the old definition.

Apple is working hard to have the iPhone, iPad and Mac lineup work perfectly together. It's at least my opinion with and iPhone, iPad and Mac their isn't anything you can't do either for personal use or business.

Is it responsible for all the loss? Of course not. Is it responsible for most of it? No. Is it responsible for some of it? Of course it is.

A recent survey has shown that a remarkable 30%+ number of people with iPads have them as their only computer (other than perhaps a smartphone.). Thats almost double the percentage from last years survey, usi g double the number of iPads in the market. When the number of iPads sold is looked at, that's a large number, over 5 million for last quarter alone. I believe it, as I know of two people who only have iPads.

It could have kicked several hundred thousand sales from Hp's computers to the iPad. That would certainly contribute to a loss.

Even if people aren't using iPads alone, they are putting off buying a new computer in favor of an iPad, and that slows down computer sales as well, and just as effectively.

I believe that a lot of people who have taken a look at Win 8 have been scared off. It's receiving terrible press, both consumer and business. This will lead, m sure, to increased Mac and iPad sales.
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Lol, once again, being an Apple form. Of course this will happen. 
Now thats where it comes in as "is and is not."   Your opinion = is; mine = is,is not    Why? I can't run heavy programs on it, I can't do 3D modeling, and even if i could, it'd be hell without a mouse or a stylus (a fine point). However, my mom has replaced her computer altogether with the iPad (3). So is it? Nope Is it not? Nope
It's simply opinion, IMO haha         If the iPad were a full computer, why would I just have ordered a Macbook to finish out my college career?




What about the other 70%? So for 30% of the world, the iPad is a full computer?    Then you can't say it is because to say it is, means that it surely is. 

I can't say a color is blue and expect everyone to agree when 70% of the other people say it is purple.

That said, I've argued the other way around before. You can't just say it is a computer or not, you would have to say something more like it is a mainstream computer for the average user or something
Cause for me, it doesn't do what a computer does; however, i love my iPad as a supplement to my computing experience.

You're missing the entire point here. That not everyone is using this exclusively means nothing when applied to whether this is a computer. I hope your major isn't in computing.

We can go back to the old car analogy. Sports cars are a small percentage of the car market. Does that mean they aren't cars? Think carefully. If you answer the wrong way, you've destroyed your iPad argument. If you answer the other wrong way, you show that you know nothing about cars.
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I still don't agree with saying an iPad is a computer exactly.
It isn't a computer, full stop

The catch is that not everyone needs a computer. A vast majority of folks just need something that will read email, show them photos etc. Before they had to get a computer because that was the only option. Or at least the only decent one. Smartphones were okay for some folks, but tablets really provided an option for a greater group. And they are going for it. And they vastly outnumber those that truly need a real computer.
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Meg can't save that train wreck known as HP. She went in, cut 27,000 heads, stock price went up and in the end she'll probably eek what she lost trying to turn California into her personnel slush fund.
I expect her to bow out in less than six months.
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HP should receive a prize for the highest number of STUPID CEOs over the last 10 or 15 years. Carly Fiorina, the (b)witch, followed later by the mentally-challenged Whitman. What else could one expect in terms of financial results?

Let's not skip the worst CEO, Mark Hurd. He destroyed Hp's highly praised R&D department. This guy was the worst, because while Carly caused problems with the Compac buy, at least she was attempting to widen Hp's market. Hurd just cut back on everything for the sake of making short term profits and stock price increases that benefitted himself and other top executives. It's a good thing he was morally compromised, or he might have been there a lot longer.
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Dear HP,

 

When are you going to end the Meg Whitman experiment? Fire her already. The guy you fired who was doing well played hide the salami with staff, yet this EBayer will bring the reputation of this once great corporation down.

 

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It isn't a computer, full stop
The catch is that not everyone needs a computer. A vast majority of folks just need something that will read email, show them photos etc. before they had to get a computer because that was the only option. Or at least the only decent one. Smartphones we're okay for some folks, but tablets really provided an option for a greater group. And they are going for it. And they vastly outnumber those that truly need a real computer.

This argument is getting old. Of course it's a computer. It does far more than the first computers (mainframes, minicomputers, workstations and microcomputers) did.

99% of the work 99% of the people using conputers for personal use do, can easily be done on an iPad. There is a lot of work that 99% don't do, that can be done on an iPad as well.

And what do most people do with their computers?

Browse the web.
Look something up on the web.
Buy something on the web.
Do e-mail.
Play simple games.
Do light printing such as pictures and letters.
Some homework.

That covers almost everything for most people. If a device can do that, then it's all those people need. And a computer is a device that is something that computes. Even a smartphone is a computer.

You guys are not talking about what is a computer. You're defining what you think is sufficient for your own needs, and you think that if it isn't sufficient for your own needs, then by YOUR definition, it isn't a computer.

In my three person household, we have two iMacs, two MacBook Pro's, and one Mac Pro. Those are in addition to the four iPads we have.

By your definitions, none of those are computers, because enterprise users can't replace their mainframes with them. After all, they can't do any of that work. Or that of a supercomputer, or a minicomputer, or some high end workstations.

So where does the definition stop? After all that first Altair 8080 didn't do much of anything, but it was acknowledged as being a computer.
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It isn't a computer, full stop.

Based on what?

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/computer
com·put·er (km-pytr) KEY
NOUN:
A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information.

Sure looks like the iPad meets that definition.

If you look at it realistically, the iPad can do everything that a computer from a decade ago (or less) could do. Are you arguing that a Pentium computer isn't a computer?
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You're missing the entire point here. That not everyone is using this exclusively means nothing when applied to whether this is a computer. I hope your major isn't in computing.
We can go back to the old car analogy. Sports cars are a small percentage of the car market. Does that mean they aren't cars? Think carefully. If you answer the wrong way, you've destroyed your iPad argument. If you answer the other wrong way, you show that you know nothing about cars.

 

But I need a personal computer that does 3D modeling, not a business computer, yet; but a personal computer, but crap my iPad doesn't do that  grrrrrr

Granted, an iPad will do what a good amount of people need. I've argued that before. However, I notice a lot of people that don't need a computer to do work, love to play flash game (i'll be the first one to say, i don't want/miss flash) but you can't do that and even if you could, it'd be miserable to play without a mouse.

 

The iPad can't download many programs that people get off the internet. The iPad is a great device, but it's a better supplementary device than a true "PC" and is by no means a "computer" according to your definition.

Everyone I know has a PC and an iPad. They still need the PC more than the iPad. Because at the end of the day, how in the hell are people going to get those digital pictures off their digital camera (everyone doesn't have a smartphone yet, especially with a good camera in it; the iphone camera is great but it'll be a couple of years before the stand alone cameras take a huge hit)

 

 

That said, I still love my iPad.

 

 

 

 

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It isn't a computer, full stop
The catch is that not everyone needs a computer. A vast majority of folks just need something that will read email, show them photos etc. Before they had to get a computer because that was the only option. Or at least the only decent one. Smartphones were okay for some folks, but tablets really provided an option for a greater group. And they are going for it. And they vastly outnumber those that truly need a real computer.

 

 

 

What about flash videos and games? that the vast majority of people play?   That said, i understand all the app store games and flash dying out  blah blah

 

I also wish the iPad would gain mouse support, its nice on the go to have a touchscreen, but what about hooking it up to the TV to use it on the big monitor and sitting back to use only a mouse (easier than holding the iPad). I know a ton of people that do that with their PCs. 

 

Anyway, it is based on opinion whether or not the iPad is a full PC or not.   I think its a great supplementary device, but even with school work aside, the iPad doesn't deliver in some areas. Anyone who does only web surfing (even the experience there isn't prefect; example, on apple's website, i was unable to get a popup to come up for the education website, which may or may not be fixed by now, but it worked on my PC 1 minute later.

 

 

This is a useless argument though lol

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This argument is getting old. Of course it's a computer. It does far more than the first computers (mainframes, minicomputers, workstations and microcomputers) did.
99% of the work 99% of the people using conputers for personal use do, can easily be done on an iPad. There is a lot of work that 99% don't do, that can be done on an iPad as well.
And what do most people do with their computers?
Browse the web.
Look something up on the web.
Buy something on the web.
Do e-mail.
Play simple games.
Do light printing such as pictures and letters.
Some homework.
That covers almost everything for most people. If a device can do that, then it's all those people need. And a computer is a device that is something that computes. Even a smartphone is a computer.
You guys are not talking about what is a computer. You're defining what you think is sufficient for your own needs, and you think that if it isn't sufficient for your own needs, then by YOUR definition, it isn't a computer.
In my three person household, we have two iMacs, two MacBook Pro's, and one Mac Pro. Those are in addition to the four iPads we have.
By your definitions, none of those are computers, because enterprise users can't replace their mainframes with them. After all, they can't do any of that work. Or that of a supercomputer, or a minicomputer, or some high end workstations.
So where does the definition stop? After all that first Altair 8080 didn't do much of anything, but it was acknowledged as being a computer.

 

A few things: 

"play simple games" which are usually done with flash, well that is out.    So iPad can't do that

I don't play games on my computers, if i ever do, they aren't "simple" and a mouse is needed. However, of the people I know that play games a lot. They say playing games on a computer is more enjoyable, and i would agree. But it is certainly more handy to play them on an iPad.

 

Printing letters/pictures? I know I am not "up-to-date" considering I have other places my money needs to go. But, the iPad doesn't support USB printers? Given, it has no USB. Plus it can not get the pictures off of a digital camera.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, even my mom will need that dumb PC to back up her iPhone and iPad. If only the iPad had a USB, it'd win a lot more people over. 

 

But i still love my iPad 2 haha

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A few things: 

"play simple games" which are usually done with flash, well that is out.    So iPad can't do that

I don't play games on my computers, if i ever do, they aren't "simple" and a mouse is needed. However, of the people I know that play games a lot. They say playing games on a computer is more enjoyable, and i would agree. But it is certainly more handy to play them on an iPad.

 

Printing letters/pictures? I know I am not "up-to-date" considering I have other places my money needs to go. But, the iPad doesn't support USB printers? Given, it has no USB. Plus it can not get the pictures off of a digital camera.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, even my mom will need that dumb PC to back up her iPhone and iPad. If only the iPad had a USB, it'd win a lot more people over. 

 

But i still love my iPad 2 haha

 

http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MC531ZM/A/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit  + http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/campaigns/airprint

 

Also, you can back it up via iCloud.

 

Also, many simple games exist (for free) on the app store.

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