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post #121 of 136
8/24/12 at 6:46am

Ohh and just one more thing. Take a look at this thread:

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post #122 of 136
8/24/12 at 6:48am

Oops!!!

 

Ohhh and just one more thing about who is "copying" who and patent wars, have we all forgotten about this:

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152042/motorolas-seven-patent-itc-complaint-against-apple-detailed

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post #123 of 136
8/24/12 at 8:25am
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I'd link you to the stories and the proof, but you'd ignore them. They're on this site in the archives, if you wish to peruse. Or if you don't trust any site with the word "Apple" in the title, the same stories are reported elsewhere. I'm not going to waste any more of my time reproving you wrong.

 

Believe me, I read the "story" on this site.

 

If anyone ever needed to read an article, it is you and this article - http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/

 

I get it that you really, really, love all things apple.  The problem is that you allow that love to blind you to the truth.

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post #124 of 136
8/24/12 at 9:02am
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Believe me, I read the "story" on this site.

 

If anyone ever needed to read an article, it is you and this article - http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/

 

I get it that you really, really, love all things apple.  The problem is that you allow that love to blind you to the truth.

Spot on.

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post #125 of 136
8/24/12 at 9:07am
Originally Posted by OhReally View Post

The problem is that you allow that love to blind you to the truth.

 

So the Google 3D maps that were built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year… weren't built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year, despite Apple beginning their work on full 3D maps in this regard before Google.

 

Okay. 

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post #126 of 136
8/24/12 at 10:13am
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So the Google 3D maps that were built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year… weren't built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year, despite Apple beginning their work on full 3D maps in this regard before Google.

 

Okay. 

 

"despite Apple beginning their work on full 3D maps in this regard before Google."

 

Out of curiosity, just how is it that you know this? Unless you have inside info from both companies, this is pure speculation. To my knowledge, it has always been Google that has been one step ahead in map technology (landscape 3d views, 3d redering of buildings, street view, etc), 3d city views are only the next logical step. Also, dont forget that Google denied Apple acces to some of their map function in IOS (they were reserved only for Android) which I'm sure didn'y make Apple too happy. Was it Apple moving away from Google or was it Google moving away from Apple??? I have no idea but it can be seen both ways.

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post #127 of 136
8/24/12 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

So the Google 3D maps that were built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year… weren't built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year, despite Apple beginning their work on full 3D maps in this regard before Google.

 

Okay. 

Google began work on 3D maps at least a couple of years ago (Google has had 3D maps for Android since at least Ver.5, Jan/2011) and had an API for aerial 3D views available since October of last year. 

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Google-MapsGL-Ushers-in-3D-Mapping-329347/

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post #128 of 136
8/24/12 at 10:32am
Originally Posted by gogo2000 View Post
Out of curiosity, just how is it that you know this? Unless you have inside info from both companies, this is pure speculation. 

 

Check back through the timeline (starting from between two to one and a half years ago) and you'll see that Apple began plans/purchases of the companies to make this a reality before we heard anything from Google about it.

 

Note that I don't deny in any way that 3D buildings existed in Google properties (it was just Google Earth, right?) before this and before Apple began their search into their own map solution. I have no idea when they started that whole thing where you can build your own house or whatever in Google Earth (because I have absolutely no functional short or long term memory anymore) but I do know it was multiple years ago. That's not what this tech is, however, okay? That's piecemeal, this is whole-set. Google wronged Apple, Apple started moving away from all things Google. Apple bought mapping companies that went in a new direction, Google got terrified, followed suit.

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post #129 of 136
8/24/12 at 12:05pm
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Google began work on 3D maps at least a couple of years ago (Google has had 3D maps for Android since at least Ver.5, Jan/2011) and had an API for aerial 3D views available since October of last year. 

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Google-MapsGL-Ushers-in-3D-Mapping-329347/

Tallest Skil got burned.

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post #130 of 136
8/24/12 at 12:11pm
Originally Posted by qualar View Post
Tallest Skil got burned.

 

No, not really. Check the post just above yours.

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post #131 of 136
8/24/12 at 1:12pm
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Tallest Skil got burned.

That's never my intent with TS, and he did acknowledge Google's earlier 3D map efforts even if he may or may not have been aware of the extent and timing. 

 

So no, he didn't get burned.

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post #132 of 136
8/24/12 at 1:21pm
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post
So no, he didn't get burned.

 

Singed, perhaps. lol.gif

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post #133 of 136
8/24/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

So the Google 3D maps that were built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year… weren't built in direct response to Apple's 3D maps and the knowledge that their contract was up this year, despite Apple beginning their work on full 3D maps in this regard before Google.

 

Okay. 

 

I wonder why Google didn't release 3D maps back in 2009, when Nokia released them?

 

(refer to my earlier post)

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post #134 of 136
8/24/12 at 2:15pm
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I agree!!!

 

To all ardent Apple defender's here:

 

Don’t think that rooting for a Samsung win is because I/we are Apple bashers or because I/we are  Sammy lovers. Both companies have some great products (I bought and own various Apple and Samsung products). Apple excels in some areas and sucks at others and the same for Samsung.  I’m rooting for a Sam win because:

  1. IMHO some of the patents make no sense and shouldn’t have been awarded. I think the whole patents attribution process should/must be revised;
  2. I don’t agree with some of the instances in which the term “copied” has been applied ;
  3. IMHO both companies have grown using technology developed by themselves but also, developed by others;  
  4. IMHO this whole trial has one objective:  Apple striking a blow at their largest competitor;
  5. IMHO, I agree that Apple has become too cocky in the past years , if they win they will become even more;  
  6. IMHO an Apple win will open a bad precedent and put a strong hold on product development and evolution – as consumers it’s bad for all of us;
  7. IMHO an Apple win will open a bad precedent and stifle the competitive process  – as consumers it’s bad for all of us;
  8. IMHO an Apple win will amplify the idea that “they are too big to mess with” which I truly don’t like;
  9. IMHO an Apple win will open a bad precedent that will lead to a succession of lawsuits of this nature in many areas (not only in consumer electronics!)

 

Then there is another point, I'm not an accountant nor am I financial analyst but 2,5 BILLION in damages, really?!

 

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Oops!!!

 

Ohhh and just one more thing about who is "copying" who and patent wars, have we all forgotten about this:

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152042/motorolas-seven-patent-itc-complaint-against-apple-detailed

 

Ah yes, the cases where Motorola opened proceedings by attacking Apple and Microsoft with standards essential patents demanding FOUR BILLION EACH PER ANNUM in licensing, really?!

 

Of course you'll apply YOUR OWN standards to Motorola AND by extension their new owners, Google who have continued with the aggressive patent abuse begun by Moto.

 

Unless you are affected by what you are accusing others of, and are so blinded you can't even see it.

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post #135 of 136
8/24/12 at 2:21pm
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Google began work on 3D maps at least a couple of years ago (Google has had 3D maps for Android since at least Ver.5, Jan/2011) and had an API for aerial 3D views available since October of last year. 

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Google-MapsGL-Ushers-in-3D-Mapping-329347/

 

Anyone who had Navigon installed on their iPhones had them in 2010.

 

Yawn, who gives a shit about Google's attempted one upmanship, it reminds me of Samsung cramming everything they can think of into their smart TV's because of a single line in a book.

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post #136 of 136
8/24/12 at 3:38pm
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Ah yes, the cases where Motorola opened proceedings by attacking Apple and Microsoft with standards essential patents demanding FOUR BILLION EACH PER ANNUM in licensing, really?!

Of course you'll apply YOUR OWN standards to Motorola AND by extension their new owners, Google who have continued with the aggressive patent abuse begun by Moto.

Unless you are affected by what you are accusing others of, and are so blinded you can't even see it.

dude your missing the point. Im pointing out that immaculate apple's record has stains on it after all. They did the same thing Samsung did. They all do!! Based on your logic in this case, on the motorola vs. apple case you will be in favor of Motorola. Will you be?? Sammy screwed apple and apple screwed motorola right??? It's the same thing!!!
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