AT&T defends plan to block 3G FaceTime for non-Mobile Share customers - Page 4

Exactly. It was that you can make a voice to voice only call that got Skype cleared under this rule

Not exactly, shared means at least two devices. They don't care if that's used by two people or one.

Shows how much you know about the subject (which is absolutely nothing). Yep, it's a total pain in the ass to plug in your phone and click a button on a 5MB program you downloaded. Thanks for stereotyping people like me ( a 27 year old married father of one who jailbreaks for 3 tweaks) as geeks. This isn't android we are talking about.

It's not the same data. It doesn't use very specific protocols that you won't encounter unless you are using other VC or telephony apps, save for H.264 and AAC but those are just the most efficient codecs for the task. If it was the same data then you have to wonder why SIP,
STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP and SRTP are needed in the first place and why these technologies are typically used over UDP instead of TCP.

It's fundamental to to the service that these packets are delivered as close to real time as possible and even just a small difference is annoying. I'm sure you've had a video encoded where the sound is a fraction of a second off and the lips don't line up or seen a satellite interview where there was an irritating pause between a question asked and a response. This is more likely to happen without QoS.

If your company isn't using QoS that will put file transfers at a lower priority than IP phones then they're doing something wrong. This isn't some crazy hypothesis this is real shit that we've had since the 90s.


1) I said was that AT&T and Apple could do this which does cost money. I also said it's a nominal cost which would seem to hurt them more than they'd ever gain and that I was very much against AT&T for charging for this for any cellular-based FT. I also stated that they already do QoS for voice traffic but you've oddly ignored that.

2) Jobs mentioned the lack of FT over cellular was that they need the carriers to update their services. Why is the usability of a service important to Apple but not now? What do you think is meant by that outside of making sure SIP, RTP, et al. get a priority on their network instead of FIFO? Of course, the real reason for that could be contractual and that contract will be expired by the time iOS 6 arrives but then that doesn't explain how AT&T could stop FT from even being activated.

3) You've eluded many times that AT&T hasn't upgraded their network yet that's axiomatically wrong as you can see by the speeds now supported.

4) If you're so against certain data being delivered before other data then never make a phone call on your cellphone again. QoS is real and it's spectacular.

Any lawyer that wants to start a class action lawsuit is welcome to contact me.

Reason #137 for dumping AT&T.  It's getting pretty clear they don't like customers.

 

Sprint has deployed LTE to several markets as a matter of fact, including the following; Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Kansas City and San Antonio. 

 

“By the end of 2013, Sprint expects to have largely completed the build out of its all-new 4G LTE nationwide network – with an all-new enhanced 3G network – covering 250 million people across the United States.”  (1)

 

1.  Unattributed.  16 July 2012.  Sprint 4G LTE Launch Extends to 15 Cities Throughout Portions of Georgia, Kansas, Missouri and Texas.  Sprint.  Retrieved 22 August 2012.

Hey AT&T, how about deploying donkeys 

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/22/3260147/israel-wi-fi-donkeys

Wow they really love to just abuse you guys don't they!

 

In the UK the carrier would be broke by now as they would of been abandoned.

 

Actually, I was told by an AT&T rep over the phone yesterday,  that the mobileshare plans are not available to less than two devices. So unless you have two smartphones, or one phone and a data device (iPad or modem), you cannot get the service.  That means single device users are precluded from FaceTime.  Not good.

 

I've just quoted the essence of your lengthy strawman fantasy, above. No one is denying that networks often prioritize some traffic over other. Spectacular might be overstating the case a bit, but, ok.

 

However, that AT&T currently prioritizes some traffic, is irrelevant to whether or not they will be prioritizing FT traffic, and they haven't stated they will. It's a little tiresome to have to keep repeating that to you, but, since your entire apology is based on that assumption, and there's no evidence for that assumption, I have to keep reminding you that you are using "facts" the existence of which is imaginary to support your arguments.

 

And let's also stop pretending that QoS is some sort of magic bullet that will speed every designated packet to it's destination without delay with no effect on other traffic. So they prioritize some packets (which doesn't mean they are guaranteed to make it there "on time", just that they get preference), that just means the rest of the traffic on the network is degraded. So, while some of your traffic may flow just fine, other traffic gets dropped. If we assume they prioritize FT traffic, and that that justifies charging more, by that same logic, they should lower the price on other data because it's been de-prioritized.

 

I used to think you had some good ideas, but, more and more, lately, I think that, like some others, you come here just to "debate" and don't really care about truth or facts, just about "winning arguments".

Fact: QoS is what makes VoIP feasible.

Fact: AT&T uses QoS now.

Fact: Apple has attempted to make FT as real time as possible.

Fact: Apple getting with carriers to ensure FT does get priority traffic would be a reason for its delay.

Fact: You don't know shit about QoS but you're sure it's has no benefit for the user.

Fact: I keep saying that you can't AT&T could add QoS for FT which is a reason that AT&T might decide to charge for the service and why Apple might be fine with this, and you keep saying that I can't say they could wilthou having proof that they will. Take about a fallacious argument.

Fact: You're better off exploring all possibilities instead of making a rash judgment and then formulating your argument to support your slant.

Ug. And this sort of tit for tat crap is exactly why I regret ever clicking on a comments link on the interwebz.

 

That is because it easier to roll out a network in an area about half the size of Texas than it is the whole US...

 

Since Verizon is just as bad, any idea how LTE coverage is for Sprint and Tmobile?

You would think the UK would have had LTE ahead of a lot of markets. Does anyone know the story behind their delay? Government, perhaps?

T-Mobile has effectively blanketed the United States in DC-HSPA+ coverage.  DC-HSPA+ carrier speeds are comparable to current implementations of LTE at 42 Mbps theoretical maximum speeds.  The Qualcomm MDM9615, seemingly the most likely candid for the new iPhone, baseband processor supports DC-HSPA+.

 

 

 

Makes one wonder.........

 

Oh, sorry, there isn't anything there worth responding to.

Back in the end of Eighties, a consortium of company, including Apple ask for worldwide frequency, to create an open wireless data network. The project died with the visionless people who had decision power at that time.

 

In france, Free an Internet/TV/Cellular provider want to put wifi antenna on all it's setup Box. The result is a very good coverage in all major city, Cell phone user in the street will be able to place call through this Wifi network. They even talk about offering rebate to user living in area with less coverage to extend their net. 

 

As far as cutting the cord, even if don't have hulu and other US content provider in canada,  I am ready  :-)

You make a powerful statement.  Yet, it is understated.  Network services ... call, video, text et al are just zeros and ones.  The cell providers are fearful that the average Joe will wake up and begin to understand that data is ... well.... plainly.... just data.  The Cable providers are as fearful.  TV, Phone and Internet is ... well... just data.... its the same service... but one is charged three times!  Its time to take the Internet back.  One service... all you can eat.... on any device.... anytime.