Samsung guilty of patent infringement, Apple awarded nearly $1.05B [u] - Page 5

For those on this forum (you know who you are), I'd like to say, in your face! I told you Judge Koh was biased against Apple and she tried to trick Apple into last minute settlement by saying that if the trial went to Jury the result wouldn't be favourable for either party. And look what we have here, Apple wins and is awarded $1.05 billion in damages. That Judge Koh is shady!

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Originally Posted by Asim Soofi 

Apple just got a $1 Billion discount on parts...nothing more.

 

So how much of it do the lawyers get?

As far as I am concerned the lawyers can take it all.

Apple doesn't need this pittance. The true value of the judgment is upholding the sanctity of Apple's innovations and IP -- incalculable for Apple (and unfortunately, equally incalculable going the other way, for your pals Samsung).

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Originally Posted by Asim Soofi 

Apple just got a $1 Billion discount on parts...nothing more.

 

So how much of it do the lawyers get?

According to an article I read last night the average price for Shamsung's  and Apples lawyers is around $1200 an hour.  There making a huge killing on all of this patent litigation.

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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach 


There I corrected that for you.
;-)

Followed by this story

"As the new owners of The Guardian and The Times, which we purchased with the damages we won when Samsung was found guilty of copying us, we would like to start by complying with Justice Friel's order so here is the ad required under British law, "Samsung did not copy us".

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Originally Posted by jragosta 


That's not what you said. You said that Samsung didn't win a single point. In fact, they did. They won a number of points.

Ok, I'll be the arbitrator between you two and settle this.

Yes, he was technically wrong in saying that Samsung didn't win a single point. It won a couple of points and Apple won like 127. Now that that's settled, we can all move on. 

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Originally Posted by Asim Soofi 

Apple just got a $1 Billion discount on parts...nothing more.

 

So how much of it do the lawyers get?

Not really. If Samsung wants to continue selling their phones they must now pay Apple a license fee for whatever patents Apple is willing to license. Or come up with a work around. Apple may be able to collect $10.00 on every smart phone Samsung sells. These are non-FRAND patents. And Apple may also  be able to use this win to go after HTC, LG and Motorola. So it's much more than just a billion dollar win. 

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Originally Posted by Ewan 

For those on this forum (you know who you are), I'd like to say, in your face! I told you Judge Koh was biased against Apple and she tried to trick Apple into last minute settlement by saying that if the trial went to Jury the result wouldn't be favourable for either party. And look what we have here, Apple wins and is awarded $1.05 billion in damages. That Judge Koh is shady!

Well, I think she just wanted to avoid the possibility of an appeal. That's been brought up before and it makes total sense. No judge likes having their decision re-examined. In law, a settlement is always the preferred route, anyway. Not necessarily for the participants, though.  ;)

Too bad Sj isn't here to witness this.

I wouldn't lump Samsung's phone business with the rest of their businesses, which make everything under the sun. They are a conglomerate and they are very good at what they do with technology advancements.

This is huge in the US, yes. But, elsewhere? I don't think the impact will be that big. Different countries always mean different jurisdictions. Although, many, if not all, of Android phone makers will try harder to make sure that their phones are not infringing Apple's patents just to avoid of being hassled or haggled in the court of law by Apple anywhere on the planet. You have to remember  that the huge and ever growing market for smartphones is actually outside of the US as the US smartphone market is getting close to saturation point.

We'll see how Apple plays its cards. Perhaps, as I suspected, Apple is playing this win for leveraging against its weak position in the possible upcoming war over implementations of 4G LTE standards which its competitors and foes own the majority of the patents of and are far ahead in the game. Apple already lost one battle against Nokia on this front.

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

This is HUGE. Aside from the monetary damages, it sends a clear message. More importantly, it establishes a precedent that Apple can use against other infringers.

In ten minutes Samsung's allotted 30 minute review time will be up.

Originally Posted by Mr. H 
No, the Cnet liveblog was wrong and has now corrected itself. The total is $1.051 billion

Originally Posted by jragosta 
There's more involved. The Verge was also reporting as the numbers were read and reported $1.5 B just for the Tab. The numbers must have been reduced for some reason. Either that or the $2.3 B reported was for all three Samsung companies while the $1.05 B being reported now is just for one of the three.
It will take a while for things to settle.

Thanks for the corrections, then!

Originally Posted by majjo 
wasn't the only claim aganist the tablets the D'889 patent? I thought they ruled that it didn't infringe on that one

 

Yeah, I don't understand how it could get damages for not infringing. But I'll take it!

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Originally Posted by markbyrn 

Ouch. 

Awesome news. Now Samsung will think 1 billion times before copying Apple again.

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Originally Posted by logandigges 

"Apple vs. Samsung Case Done"

"developing"

It went "smooth."

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Originally Posted by Asim Soofi 

Apple just got a $1 Billion discount on parts...nothing more.

 

So how much of it do the lawyers get?

Oh no. Not at all. This wasn't for the money. This was for the message that was sent by this entire affair, courtesy of Apple. Apple wasn't here for the money. They were here to put certain "ideas" other companies may have (especially ones with less time and money), right to bed. 

It was all to set an example and to set precedent. 

From CNET,

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Originally Posted by e_veritas 

How is it possible that Apple's two top lawyers are not present for the verdict reading??? McElhinny and Lee are both not present....
 

Two possible reasons. First, they weren't expecting a verdict today. Second, they get paid by the hour. Do they really need to be there? 

Well that is a very specific verdict.  Line by line, patent by patent, device by device.  Apple did not win on every item or every device.  That to me shows the jury gave some thought to their decision.

The interesting thing will be how and what Samsung tries to appeal and on what justification.  Questioning the juries verdict on individual items would be hard.  It would seem Samsung will need to show some issue with the process of how the trial was run, the evidence permitted, etc.  

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Originally Posted by mcrs 

 But, elsewhere? I don't think the impact will be that big. 

You're severely underestimating the importance that the US has upon other markets.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/#ixzz24VgpTqfp

*rolls eyes*

So where's the judge that tells Samsung they have to post a year long portion of text on their website that says"

"We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple. We're sorry for copying Apple..."

I mean, if things are going to be fair here...

LOL

Note to big business:

It's not OK to steal.

Note to Samsung:

Hire and R&D department and make real products please.

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Originally Posted by Ewan 

For those on this forum (you know who you are), I'd like to say, in your face! I told you Judge Koh was biased against Apple and she tried to trick Apple into last minute settlement by saying that if the trial went to Jury the result wouldn't be favourable for either party. And look what we have here, Apple wins and is awarded $1.05 billion in damages. That Judge Koh is shady!

Give me a break. Juries are unpredictable. Settlement is the right way to go most times. Further, a settlement would have shut down the amount of time both parties are going to face with an appeal. 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

As the late Steve Jobs would say, "Boom!"

nice touch Tsar Bomba  that was about what happened in this case (huge ip nuke lol)

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Originally Posted by TBell 

 

 

Two possible reasons. First, they weren't expecting a verdict today. Second, they get paid by the hour. Do they really need to be there? 

Nobody was expecting a verdict today. I read that one of Apple's lawyers showed up in a polo shirt. They were obviously not expecting to be in any courtroom today.

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Originally Posted by rlirph 

It is a great day for a US company.  I LOVE IT!

 

I am a US expat living in China for 5+ years.  Local manufacturers in Asia throughout will copy anything without considering intellectual rights.  To them there is no right or wrong, only money in the pocket!  Copying is most wide spread in the fashion industry as there is few patents.  For that reason I never understand why most readers would support Samsung, a foreign conglomerate whose Chairman was once jailed for bribing the Korean President.

I had the exact same experience in Korea and China (though not really in Japan) ...they will commonly steal everything from high tech engine designs to designer clothes to food labels to the Starbucks logo on local coffee shops to western pop songs which are then marketed throughout Asia (albeit even worse sounding) as 'K-pop'. Then they'll turn around and tell the world how smart and creative they are. I reckon it stems from their Confucianist system where a relatively small number of innovators (a few domestic but usually foreign) are copied, and copied, and copied. Copying there is seen as the greatest form of flattery and originality is far less important than simply getting something that will sell at all costs. Unfortunately for them western companies don't see it that way. 

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 


I think that's total.

It is the total. However, were Samsung was found to willfully infringe, the award can be trebled. Further, the Judge can now issue an injunction on Samsung's products covered by the lawsuit. 

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

I want to add one thing.
There have been endless complaints about Tim Cook and arguments that he's not fit for the job and that he couldn't accomplish anything.
He's just finished his 1 year anniversary and Apple stock is up about $270 billion from when he took over. Under his tenure, Apple just one one of the biggest lawsuits ever in the mobile phone industry.
Congratulations are in order for Tim Cook.

He didn't initiate the lawsuit, neither did he win it, the lawyers did. I don't see how he deserves any credit for this.

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Originally Posted by Radar 

Hey I think I'll write a big hit song called Imagine or Happy Birthday or Hound Dog. You can't patent letters of the alphabet.

Actually, you could write a hit song using any of those names and it would be OK.

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Originally Posted by TBell 

 

 

Second, they get paid by the hour. 

They get paid even if they are on the phone. You are probably correct that they didn't expect a verdict today and perhaps had already started their weekend plans. There were apparently a few Apple attorneys there as it was stated on the Verge that both Apple and Samsung were reviewing the jury's verdict documents.