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The image is alright because it's doing something different. I'm just talking in general.
I have opinions and thoughts on things. I certainly don't expect my opinions, especially on petty matters like this, to be canon. I simply think it detracts from any attempt at a cogent comment in the same you know anyone who uses Crapple and iSheep is not going to have much to add to a conversation.
This forum has the best members of any site so perhaps I am putting too much of a burden on this topic. This is a day for rejoicing, for justice for anyone who cares about intellectual property so I recant my initial comment.

I should have added: not that there's anything wrong with being a style advisor! :-)

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Dear Samsung:

 

Blow it out your arse. We are sick of you spewing this crap. We want real diversity, not your knock-off crap. Stop pretending like your some poor little kid being bullied when you're the one bullying other Android manufacturers and stealing and copying.

 

What Americans want is people to reap the benefit of their hard work and not to get rich at the expensive of those who did the work and took the risk. What Americans want are for corporations to play by the rules and respect our legal system. So please, spare us the melodrama and go back to your little peninsula where you can lie and cheat and it's OK because it's part of your culture.  We happily await real competition and products from Microsoft, Nokia, HTC, Sony and hopefully RIM: companies that actually have original ideas from time to time.

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If the world contained half as many patent lawyers, and twice as many scientists and engineers actually doing basic and applied research, and inventing new technologies and products, we would all be far better off.

And how do you expect to pay all these scientists and engineers when other people in other countries steal your idea and make it for next to nothing? The companies that employ those people would go out of business and that's EXACTLY what has happened to American manufacturing. My grandfather worked at Bethlehem Steel for a long time. When we rebuilt Japan, we also made new steel mills for them (which we really had to because we did destroy a lot of their industry).  But these steel mills DESTROYED American steel.  What used to be a bustling industry in my hometown now lies in rusted ruins.  Same with Detroit and textiles in small towns in Pennsylvania.

 

So your vision for world peace is nice and all, but I really don't see how handing others a free lunch and them starving us with it benefits anyone in America.

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Samsung needs to get rid of whoever is sanctioning these incredibly bad business decisions, and replace them with honourable people who understand

good business practice and ethics.

 

The way they have treated and spoken about Apple is shameful.

Who can treat such an important partner and customer with such disregard and disrespect.

 

There should be a watershed at Samsung,a complete clear-out of the board.

They need to start building bridges as an example to ALL potential future partners.

 

It still might not be enough for Apple at this time though.

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post #85 of 162
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LOL. What has Samesung ever innovated?  All's they do is copy Apple and others.  That is why their name is: Same-sung.


The answer should have been, what have Koreans innovated? Throughout history they've copied, just ask their neighbor Japan.

 

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Originally Posted by kikkO View Post
The answer should have been, what have Koreans innovated? Throughout history they've copied, just ask their neighbor Japan.

 

The Samsung Galaxy being "The most infamous plagiarism in human history" might be overstepping it, but I like it all the same.

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A loss for the American consumer, you wish.  Apple represent the United States, our most cherished company. Apple supports the US economy, provides jobs, and pay billions of dollars in taxes to our government. Why would we ever want a foreign company to dominate over your own country. Look at how many foreign smartphone companies there are; HTC, Nokia, Sony, Motorola, Samsung, and etc. Apple is the only US base company that has any chance of competing with all these foreign ones. Apple deserved to win. There shouldn't be any justice for companies that copy and steal peoples' products. Be innovative and create your own product designs.

 
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Am I the only one who hates the Samesung, Samscum, Scamsung, et al. comments. I guess I just don't see it as clever or original to use these well worn puns. I'd rather see something original even if the attempt at being funny or clever failed, or a cogent argument as to why they are scummy, copyists.

Samsunk anyone?
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post #89 of 162

This is a direct hit on samsung, but more importantly, Android.  Now, android hardware builders, which are all smaller than samsung, will think twice (or maybe a hundred) times before they consider building hardware for a phone OS that basically requires hardware that looks like an iPhone.  Take that google!

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If Apple's win can prevent manufacturers from feeling safe from litigation when they power up their phones and tablets using Android, then Apple can dry up the support for Android-based devices. Alternately, this can force Android to drop any UI features that will get the manufacturers into litigation, thus making the Android OS less enjoyable to use.

 

Additionally, several court cases, including this one, have shown that Google is not capable of protecting the manufacturers as once thought. Therefore, choosing the "FREE" Android as an OS is proving to be very very expensive. 

 

Finally, with this court win, Apple is able to finally show and monetize the lose of profits. That may finally open up Google to be liable for each copy of Android they gave away. 

This verdict is a victory for Windows phone 7... 

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"It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rounded corners and rectangles."


What incredible arrogance and ignorance.

A disgusting company !
Obviously the jury didn't fall for Samsung's complete over simplification. This was about a lot more than "rounded rectangles". Samsung's lawyers aren't that obtuse but they were assuming the jury was. They assumed wrong.
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Obviously the jury didn't fall for Samsung's complete over simplification. This was about a lot more than "rounded rectangles". Samsung's lawyers aren't that obtuse but they were assuming the jury was. They assumed wrong.

True, but I'm disappointed that the jury fell for Samsung's silly Fidler patent nonsense.
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And how do you expect to pay all these scientists and engineers when other people in other countries steal your idea and make it for next to nothing? The companies that employ those people would go out of business and that's EXACTLY what has happened to American manufacturing. My grandfather worked at Bethlehem Steel for a long time. When we rebuilt Japan, we also made new steel mills for them (which we really had to because we did destroy a lot of their industry).  But these steel mills DESTROYED American steel.  What used to be a bustling industry in my hometown now lies in rusted ruins.  Same with Detroit and textiles in small towns in Pennsylvania.

So your vision for world peace is nice and all, but I really don't see how handing others a free lunch and them starving us with it benefits anyone in America.
This whole notion of lawyers stifling innovation is over blown. Besides copying another company is not innovating. If Samsung spent more time dong what they preach rather than copying Apple they wouldn't be tied up in court.

This comment reeks of Google saying software patents are bad at the same time Motorola is suing for patent infringement. Sorry Samsung but you're just as evil as you claim Apple to be.
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True, but I'm disappointed that the jury fell for Samsung's silly Fidler patent nonsense.
So the jury threw them a bone. lol.gif what's really ironic is TouchWiz is what got them into the most trouble and I'll be most fandroids would rather have stock Android than TouchWiz on their devices. lol.gif
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Blah fucking blah.

Yep. There's this thing called legal precedent. Apple could use this win to successfully motion for summary judgement in their favor and wipe out a chunk of cases in the US.

Also, how is the consumer hurt by Samsung etc actually having to do some R & D. Shocking but Samsung might come up with a fresh, new and better than Apple way to do something. And that helps consumers

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That is my view and it is pretty consistent with what I believe to be fair and reasonable.  

 

It must be very comforting, to find that your views are "pretty consistent" with your beliefs...

 

DUH

 

Buncha self-supporting double-talk, trying to make your blahblahblah appear substantive.

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Today's verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple, but as a loss for the American consumer. It will lead to fewer choices, less innovation, and potentially higher prices.

 

...And these fuckers are still lying. This is a victory for innovation, something they obviously know nothing about unless they reverse engineer it from Apple (as was abundantly clear during the trial, despite desperate attempts to burn the evidence). "Choice"? A red herring: look at all the choices that don't infringe on Apple's patents. "Higher prices"? More FUD. Look at all the non-infringing competitors who are selling products cheap Android phones and tablets.

 

They either know what they're doing and are now spinning lies to save face, or (scarier thought) they believe their own lies.

 

I really wonder sometimes...

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Translated: http://youtu.be/qS7nqwGt4-I

 

I prefer this one

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What about Google?  I think it should be forced to pay at least some part of the damages that Samsung will have to pay.

Don't worry about Google their time will come

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Samsung have effectively made the largest conglomerate in history and many occasions on proven themselves above than the South Korean government. I only hope that their corruption will be rooted out by the international community. South Korea is powerless against this disgusting Chaebol. 

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LOL. What has Samesung ever innovated?  All's they do is copy Apple and others.  That is why their name is: Same-sung.

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Some time when it's so obvious, obvious prevail. Just look at same sung's new store. I thought i was looking at the new apple store.
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Samsung says less innovation, since when does copying represent innovation? Sorry Samsung but your blatant copying doesn't and shouldn't be awarded anything except what you got today.

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Hey fellow Apple fans, it is Samsuck. You are not going to believe how many Koreans in Korea are celebrating Apple victory today. And the Japanese are loving it, too. And I can hear Steve Ballmer laughing so loud that I just woke up and typed this....on an iPad, of course.
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It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners, or technology that is being improved every day by Samsung and other companies.

 

 

To Samsung:

 

Would Samsung vouch that it is not copying another Apple exclusive technology which is scheduled to debut in its upcoming iOS device(s)?

 

Hint: An innovation that will redefine photos taken from digital camera or phones with camera function.

 

 

 

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Samsung will continue to innovate and offer choices for the consumer.

 

 

To Samsung:

 

May be it will take massive "copying" of Samsung phones by China firms and flood the markets with "clones" for your top management to wake up. Oh, you should thank me cause I have been encouraging those who have shown strong interest in your SIII to go ahead to give it a try (while I am sticking to iPhone 4 and probably iPhone 5 when it is announced) as I want the market demand to grow significantly large enough for those China firms to be keen on "cloning" SIII and flood the developing Asia markets with them.

post #106 of 162
Remove our troops from south Korea, they can defend themselves. Enough with protecting them .
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Boo f'n hoo. Apple's win in the court will make other companies get up off their asses and actually innovate instead of imitate.

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Companies should go thermonuclear with each other more often. If Xerox had a jury like the one that sat in the Apple-Samsung case, guess who would be forking over billions?

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Companies should go thermonuclear with each other more often. If Xerox had a jury like the one that sat in the Apple-Samsung case, guess who would be forking over billions?

Actually Apple bought that tech from them since they were not doing anything with it. But Jobs saw the potential in it for computers. If my memory serves.

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Actually Apple bought that tech from them since they were not doing anything with it. But Jobs saw the potential in it for computers. If my memory serves.

Actually I stand corrected. They didn't. It was a patent issue and limitations etc...that allowed them to use it or copy it as it were.

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[1] If you think that it is okay to download stolen software, music, or porn then you probably shouldn't be angry at Samsung.  

 

  [2] The real question now is will Apple take the high road, and lock in the win they have made in this case and offer to cross license technology with their partner, Samsung.  

[1] assumes Samsung did not resell their ripoffs as originals and make billions of dollars in the process. They did. 

 

[2] is false because Samsung is not "Apple's partner", merely  one of many parts suppliers/assemblers who themselves manufacture chips etc. based on foreign innovations, R&D, etc. (read Samsung's use of British ARM chip architecture, etc.). Samsung is far from the innovator Apple is; rather they have always specialized in ripping off other western and Japanese innovators throughout many electronics industries (Sony, GE, you name it) and then rebranding and selling them. What yesterday's decision did was merely expose the tip of a gigantic Samsung iceberg; it's only that in Apple, Samsung picked the wrong company to rip off as they can afford to take even the biggest corporation/chaebols to court. Stupid move, Samesung. 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 
No, frigging wait, seriously?! SERIOUSLY?! Samsung themselves said, "rectangles with rounded corners"?! THEY SAID THAT?! And more importantly, they said it after the Galaxy Tab was found to NOT BE INFRINGING ON IT?!

BA H AH AH AH AH AH AHA HAH AH!

I think they want to try and continue to manipulate the public perception through the media. Some people will lap it up. It works both ways though. Even though Apple didn't win on the design patent, the media will simplify the entire case to be that Samsung copied Apple so whenever people look at a Samsung product, people will be thinking about which competing Apple product they tried to clone. I'm not too surprised the design patent didn't win as the drawings don't look like the iPad:

http://www.google.com/patents/USD504889?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

The patent drawings actually look more like the prior art tablets. If they had specified the unique parts of the iPad design, it might have held a bit more weight. It's obvious from the products themselves but they'd have to be able to prove they came up with the design first. The huge win makes up for it though and Samsung's response shows how shallow their position was all along.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 
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Samsung will continue to innovate and offer choices for the consumer.

Well, you just go ahead and "continue" that.

If the counterfeit market disappeared, I suppose that does harm some consumers. How would your average blue collar worker be able to buy a Prada-style handbag for his missus? The people who wouldn't think twice about a ripped-off fashion design are the same people who would be happy buying a Samsung product.



Fake tan, fake boobs, fake blonde... the only thing that's natural is they'd be marketing Samsung phones.

There are plenty of non-infringing products on the market for consumers to choose from.
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Also, a fun fact with a bit of irony is that many Samsung employees have iPhones. As well as many people in Seoul, which Samsung is home to.

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Assuming that Samsung actually pays the billion dollars - what if Apple were to use that to expand its US operations and take production capacity out of Samsung's plants? 

 

Or here's an idea, give Apple a tax break on overseas money equal to their investment in US production capacity. 

 

Just seems to me that on the one hand it would make it harder for samsung to copy Apple's work if they were not a manufacturer in the supply chain of Apple products - then again without Apple products filling up their production capacity they would be able to crank up the production rate of their copies.....

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Assuming that Samsung actually pays the billion dollars - what if Apple were to use that to expand its US operations and take production capacity out of Samsung's plants?

I'm not sure that works. For starters, Apple isn't in the 1997 position where they only had $1.5 billion remaining in cash. If they felt it was feasible to build a foundry for manufacturing their own ASIC designs based on the ARM reference designs there is nothing that would have prevented from doing so.

Now I do think it's possible that they could do this as they build up and out their ASIC knowledge. It's only been 2 years since we were first introduced to the Apple A-chip, the A4, and two years before that that Apple bought P.A. Semi, so I could easily see them having their own US foundry in another 2 years... I just don't see the connection with it from winning this court case.

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post #116 of 162
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LOL. What has Samesung ever innovated?  All's they do is copy Apple and others.  That is why their name is: Same-sung.

Have you ever looked at the chips inside your iPhone?

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Nice spin control. Less than 22 hours for deliberations? Methinks the jury thought Apple had a slam-dunk case.
I wonder if the judge will triple the damages due to willful infringement - 3 Billion would be very interesting indeed!

And I assume you would like Samsung to fail and go out of business tomorrow as well? 

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Can I upgrade my Samsung phone to the latest version of Android? No? Why not? You said you were good for consumers, right?

Can I upgrade my 3GS and 4 to a version of iOS that has all the new bells and whistles? I guess that is good for consumers as well, right?

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It is totally a loss for the American consumer who likes cheaper knockoffs of the quality original. That much is true. If it wasn't true, there wouldn't be WalMart, fake Rolexes and fake Gucci handbags. But innovation? Really? Samsung's only innovation is being the best at ripping off Apple's designs.

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
True, but I'm disappointed that the jury fell for Samsung's silly Fidler patent nonsense.

 

At least Apple's patent wasn't invalidated, right?


Originally Posted by lamewing View Post
Have you ever looked at the chips inside your iPhone?

 

Yeah, it's a… wait for it… EXACT COPY of the PLANS sent to them from APPLE, who DESIGNED the chip.

 

Sounds like following instructions like a toddler is right up Samsung's alley. I've no complaints with them doing that exclusively for the rest of their existence. They'll be putting that copying to good use for a change.


Originally Posted by lamewing View Post
I guess that is good for consumers as well, right?

 

Look, you're tired, you've just had all of your arguments legally invalidated and mocked, take a break and come back with some fresh material. Be better than all the others who just trip over their own legs and scream "Apple will lose marketshare just you wait" like slapppy. 

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