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The U.S. International Trade Commission on Friday completed its review of a Motorola complaint from April, ruling against an import ban on Apple's iPhone and iPad after finding the devices do not infringe on certain wireless technology patents owned by the Google subsidiary.

Although not as substantial as Friday's Apple v. Samsung outcome, the six-member Commission at the top of the ITC cleared Apple of infringing on three declared standards-essential Motorola patents, but held off on another as it completed its review of an earlier initial determination, reports FOSS Patents' Florian Mueller.

As for the fourth patent, a non-standards-essential property, the ITC remanded investigation to Administrative Law Judge Thomas Pender, who initially found one of the claims indefinite and ruled it not violated. As noted by Mueller, the reversal of Judge Pender's initial determination could result in an import ban, though any judgment would again be subject to Commission review.

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At issue is Motorola's 2001 U.S. Patent No. 6,246,862 for a "Sensor controlled user interface for portable communication device." The patent describes a touch-based interface that can be disabled when a device comes into close proximity with a user. Apple employs similar technology in the iPhone by using an IR sensor to distinguish when the handset is near a user's head, thereby disallowing unintended touch events by disabling the unit's screen.

Friday's ruling comes just days after Motorola filed a second ITC complaint against Apple claiming infringement on seven non-standards-essential patents involving email management, message syncing and voice control services, among others. Of the asserted patents only one, a multi-device message syncing invention, has previously been asserted in court.
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now that's what I call Bi winning!

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Oh Google!

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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On the one year anniversary of Jobs stepping down as CEO there are a lot of good news for Apple today.

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$12,500,000,000… 💸

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I am based in India were Samsung have used less than stellar tactics, to state that their products are better than Apple.
I will go for lunch today's usual and sit near to Samsung shop and Manager usually comes out and try's to sell me a Galaxy Tab.
I will have my iPad ready with news page open, showing the verdict...lol
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Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post
…Samsung have used less than stellar tactics, to state that their products are better than Apple.

 

Oh? For example, what have they done?

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$12,500,000,000… 💸

 

Actually, more like:

 

-$12,500,000,000...

 

as opposed to:

 

+$1,049,000,000... (minus attorneys' fees, of course)

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This has truly turned out to be an Awesome Day!!

 

I genuinely wish Steve Jobs were still alive to see all this.

 

I know he would have written something of an Open Letter on Apple's Home Page, expounding on Apple's,   ....and His Vindication,

 

when he proclaimed in 2007

 

"We are reinventing the Smartphone"

 

And

 

"Boy have we patented it"!!
 

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
Actually, more like:

 

-$12,500,000,000...

 

as opposed to:

 

+$1,049,000,000... (minus attorneys' fees, of course)

 

Oh, can you not see the emoji? I probably shouldn't hitch the meaning of my posts on them until everyone is on Mountain/Lion… 

 

I wonder how few people saw my explosive emoji post in the main Samsung trial thread… 

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I am based in India were Samsung have used less than stellar tactics, to state that their products are better than Apple.
I will go for lunch today's usual and sit near to Samsung shop and Manager usually comes out and try's to sell me a Galaxy Tab.
I will have my iPad ready with news page open, showing the verdict...lol

Let us know what they say.....

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

 

Actually, more like:

 

-$12,500,000,000...

 

as opposed to:

 

+$1,049,000,000... (minus attorneys' fees, of course)

I think Samsung might have to also pay for Apple's attorney's fees.  I know in California if you sue someone and you win, they can be forced to also pay attorney's fees and court costs. I just don't know how Patent cases work.  I think they do have to pay attorney's fees and court costs. But then again, I'm not an expert, I'm just going by what I know and suspect.

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Check out news.google.com to see if you don't also believe Google is manipulating the listings in support of its own interests.

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I'm not an expert, I'm just going by what I know ....

'Experts' usually know. So, I am not following you....

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Oh, can you not see the emoji? I probably shouldn't hitch the meaning of my posts on them until everyone is on Mountain/Lion… 

 

I wonder how few people saw my explosive emoji post in the main Samsung trial thread… 

 

I see a large black rectangle in Snow Leopard. I was wondering about that.

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Meanwhile, Google executives cuddle up to each other and watch the notebook with a box of tissues and a tub of ben and jerry's. Fandriods follow suit after their keyboards break from all the angry typing.

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The picture says it all...

 

 

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
I see a large black rectangle in Snow Leopard. I was wondering about that.

 

Dang… 

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I am based in India were Samsung have used less than stellar tactics, to state that their products are better than Apple.
I will go for lunch today's usual and sit near to Samsung shop and Manager usually comes out and try's to sell me a Galaxy Tab.
I will have my iPad ready with news page open, showing the verdict...lol

 

Make sure he pays you a good price if you decide to accept one of those things...

 

<snigger>

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Rough day for google, and their obnoxious sub human fan trolls, may they drown in their own tears.

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Apple's Day Summary

 

1. Samsung Patent Infringement:

 

 

2. Samsung Preliminary Injunction:

 

 

3. Motorola Infringement:

 

 

Tune in soon.

 

Same Bat-time, same Bat-channel...

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Seems like, "Everything is coming up Milhouse!," for Apple. :-)

 


Edited by mesomorphicman - 8/24/12 at 10:04pm
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Dang… 

 

Haha! So true...

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'Experts' usually know. So, I am not following you....
I thought the easiest way to get two different opinions was to ask two experts.

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I'm still shocked at the number of "Ughh! Apple is the worst company ever! They're stifling innovation!" responses I've heard re: this ruling. Apple didn't go after Samsung for stealing "the black rectangle". They went after them because Samsung was intentionally producing iPhone-clones.

 

Look at the image below and note the dozens of similarities between the two devices. Take out your contacts or slightly blur your vision and they look like the same damn device. If you're Joe Schmo walking into the AT&T store, and across the room you see these two hilariously similar phones on a wall, side-by-side, you might figure they're from the same manufacturer.

 

Samsung could've designed a phone a million different ways. They could have done a dual screen/courier type design. They could have made a phone with a massive screen and no bezel. They could have designed an interface with animated tiles or spinning menu cubes. They could've taken the Nokia route and made the thing neon pink with a white front. They could've given the thing a projected keyboard. In short, they could have shown some originality and inventiveness, and they didn't. They just copied the phone de jour because it was easy, fast and a guaranteed money-maker. So when people say "Apple is stifling innovation with these lawsuits" I say "No, they're inadvertently encouraging it."

 

Samsung has a history of copying what's popular. When Blackberrys were the dominant phone, Samsung made Blackberry clones. When everyone wanted a RAZR, Samsung made their own. And when the public went nuts for the iPhone, Samsung designed this:

 

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I'm still shocked at the number of "Ughh! Apple is the worst company ever! They're stifling innovation!" responses I've heard re: this ruling. Apple didn't go after Samsung for stealing "the black rectangle". They went after them because Samsung was intentionally producing iPhone-clones.]

Don't waste brainpower wondering. They're just a bunch of selfish, bratty litte kids whining that they can't copy the smart kid in class and get away with it. Bunch of punks supporting the belief that taking a free ride off of someone else's work is the way to go.

Today was an excellent day for the consumer, and even better to see fandroids get b!tch-slapped like the pathetic whiners they are.
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Don't waste brainpower wondering. They're just a bunch of selfish, bratty litte kids whining that they can't copy the smart kid in class and get away with it. Bunch of punks supporting the belief that taking a free ride off of someone else's work is the way to go.
Today was an excellent day for the consumer, and even better to see fandroids get b!tch-slapped like the pathetic whiners they are.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. 

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Ahhh... I love the smell of 12 Billion burning in the morning..

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I am based in India were Samsung have used less than stellar tactics, to state that their products are better than Apple.
I will go for lunch today's usual and sit near to Samsung shop and Manager usually comes out and try's to sell me a Galaxy Tab.
I will have my iPad ready with news page open, showing the verdict...lol


LOL Nice to know Apple has a loyal following in India. 1smile.gif
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I see a large black rectangle in Snow Leopard. I was wondering about that.

This:-

 

🍧🍻🍺🎅🐼🐌🌰

😄👦👴💔💼💊🔫

looks like this:-

 

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Apple have one rule and other companies have another. As usual Apple control the courts as has judges in there pockets. Apple can steal other people's ideas but because they are Apple they get away with it. At least Samsung and Motorola build things. As i type apple are using technology that does not belong to them. 

Apple outsourced all there manufacturing to sweat shops who throw workers off the roof of there building's for misbehaving.  

So great for Apple let them destroy the industry let them steal other people's ideas. And let the isheep think this ok becasue they have been brainwashed, conditioned , controlled by Apple

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@Pgkavana--I think I understand what you're trying to say:  war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength

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Nice a 1984 qoute. Yep apple are rewriting history. Look at how they stuffed Apple Corp the music company. They wrote a contract stateing they would not enter the music business. But guess what they did. Apple have been smart right from it begining's it has picked other companies of ideas and claimed them as there own. The LG phone, Xerox, even the Ipad in some form existed before it was the ipad cam out. But Apple rewrite history claming this to be it own. 

If you disaggree it will drag you to a court 10 miles away form it head quarters and fill the jury with people who have friends or family working in apple. Just as it did with samsung.  And they continue to do what apple do best not invent. It has not invented since the early days. But it will grap other people's ideas and put them in a nice apple package. And call it there own.

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Look at the image below and note the dozens of similarities between the two devices.

I have a couple of issues with your "image"

1. Why is the iPhone on the home screen, and the Android phone on the app page?
2. Why has the Samsung phone been resized?
3. Why are you talking about Samsung in a Motorla thread?
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Nice a 1984 qoute. Yep apple are rewriting history. Look at how they stuffed Apple Corp the music company. They wrote a contract stateing they would not enter the music business. But guess what they did. Apple have been smart right from it begining's it has picked other companies of ideas and claimed them as there own. The LG phone, Xerox, even the Ipad in some form existed before it was the ipad cam out. But Apple rewrite history claming this to be it own. 

If you disaggree it will drag you to a court 10 miles away form it head quarters and fill the jury with people who have friends or family working in apple. Just as it did with samsung.  And they continue to do what apple do best not invent. It has not invented since the early days. But it will grap other people's ideas and put them in a nice apple package. And call it there own.

 

 

May that continue. 

 

Whatever Apple did, the result was and is the best products in consumer tech, the best customer service in tech, the products with highest consumer satisfaction ratings year after year for all their products, and the redefining of entire markets almost overnight. Consumer response has been phenomenal. Apple is the only company in consumer tech to care enough about their product (and my satisfaction) to do a vertical business model, and take the time and energy to do it right.

 

For all of what Apple has produced, for the example they have time and again set for a lazy and unimaginative industry that can only follow them, and for the flowering of consumer tech that empowers *everyone* (not just folks who "know" computers), I say FAIR PLAY TO THEM.

 

This is what it takes to fix the technology we had, and to give us more of the tech we want. 

 

And Apple did all of it legally.

 

 

 


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The LG phone, Xerox, even the Ipad in some form existed before it was the ipad cam out. 

 

And it was all pure garbage. 

 

You're making excuses for entities that half-ass their opportunities and fail to re-invent their business. 

 

The courts have confirmed Apple's approach to consumer tech. Which should be *everyone's* approach. Imagine if everyone else out there was as lean, mean, and hungry as Apple. Just imagine how much further ahead we'd be. But instead the industry outside Cupertino is locked in a race to the bottom. And now they're paying dearly for it. They'll get no sympathy from me. Screw em. Now, maybe NOW, someone will come along and finally deal on Apple's level, thus raising the bar. Seems it takes the courts to confirm the standards Apple sets. So be it. 

 

 

 

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unless I'm reading the claims wrong...how is Apple or pretty much any modern smartphone maker not infringing on Motorola's patent?
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If you are happy with Apple stay with them. But around 90% of computer users don't use Apple. People who buy Apple are very loyal and will continue to buy apple no matter what. Even in the late eighties early nineties when Apple made sh###.  I have not used an apple product in 10 years I think since the first ipod.

Apple are very good at controlling people. That's what they do they lock people in. Stop them thinking. Apple in the the industry make a very narrow product range. They control this range very well. It is of excellent quality but if you break down there hardware is behind the curve. Slower processor's less memory, smaller HD's etc. But they tell there "followers" people you don't know better that this the best that they can get.

The iphone despite what you way is very similar to the LG phone. There was plenty of tablets before the Ipad some even had the same 'unique" shape.

Again you use the phase race to the bottom. These phones have larger better screens, faster processor's and work on a faster network. It seem's like a weird race to the bottom. Apple make great products but i like thinking for myself. 

When apple destoys companies with there neighbour judges that they help fund in local taxes. And a jury they that may employ. When they are the last ones standing see what happen's then.

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Because apple control the kangaroo court.... 

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If you are happy with Apple stay with them. But around 90% of computer users don't use Apple. People who buy Apple are very loyal and will continue to buy apple no matter what. Even in the late eighties early nineties when Apple made sh###.  I have not used an apple product in 10 years I think since the first ipod.

That is, of course, nonsense.

1. Apple didn't make garbage - ever. Even in the worst times, they made high quality computers. I used my IIsi from that era for well over a decade without any difficulty and Apple consistently won praise for their product quality. While there were certainly a few problems, Apple was widely recognized as making great computers. Put an Apple laptop or desktop from the 90's next to a Dell computer if you want a good laugh. To a large degree, Apple was the ONLY one focusing on quality.

2. The claim that Apple fans would continue to buy Apple no matter what is easily disproven. Apple's market share peaked in the 20+% range. It then fell to the low single digits (as low as around 3%, depending on how you measure it). It is now back to close to 10%. If Apple fans buy Apple's products no matter what, why did their market share change? Shouldn't it have remained constant?

It is clear from all of your posts that you're unwilling or unable to discuss anything rationally.
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unless I'm reading the claims wrong..

This is far from the first time that you're reading something wrongly.
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