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Smartphone maker HTC plans to continue its patent infringement battle with Apple, even though Apple just earned a significant victory against another Android-based handset manufacturer, Samsung.

Cher Wang, chairwoman of HTC, revealed that her company has no intention of reaching a settlement with Apple, according to DigiTimes. She said that HTC remains confident in the face of patent infringement complaints from Apple, even though Samsung was found by a California jury to have violated Apple's patented inventions.

HTC also remains confident in the Google Android mobile operating system after Samsung's setback. Wang said she believes Samsung's loss is not necessarily a result of Android itself.

Wang cited her company's ability to innovate as a key element in fending off patent infringement allegations from Apple. Once a rising star in the mobile space, HTC has recently faltered, failing to replicate the kind of success Apple has had in the high-end smartphone market.

HTC and Apple are engaged in a series of lawsuits in which each has accused the other of patent infringement. The litigation, which began in 2010, was predicted to become a "long and bloody battle" between the two companies.

HTC One X
HTC's flagship HTC One X smartphone.


HTC's stance on the Apple-Samsung lawsuit is similar to Google, which issued a statement this week saying Samsung's loss didn't relate to the core of the Android mobile operating system.

"Most of these don't relate to the core Android operating system and several are being re-examined by the U.S. Patent Office," Google said.

Despite confidence shown by HTC and Google, some industry watchers believe Apple's victory over Samsung could lead to a lucrative royalty stream for Apple from Android devices. The jury in the Apple-Samsung suit determined that Samsung owes Apple nearly $1.05 billion in damages.
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Break 'em, Tim.

And cut out that retail crapola.

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Wang cited her company's ability to innovate 

 

 

I think, for a moment, Wang forgot she was talking about HTC.

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Break 'em, Tim.

And cut out that retail crapola.

 

 

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Samsung will strangle HTC out of existence long before Apple finishes with them.

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Well, what would you expect.

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Once Apple break'em all then the only one left is our WALLET.   

 

 

 

Think different.

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It's just a flesh wound! ... Come back here and take what's coming to ya!

 

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Death to HTC! Death to Samsung! Death to Microsoft! Death to RIM!

 

/Fitting right in here.

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Bottom line, there's nothing to settle.

 

Apple wants HTC's Android smartphones banned. That'd be the only settlement Apple would take. 

 

It's silly for the reporter to think HTC actually has the choice to settle. 

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Death to HTC! Death to Samsung! Death to Microsoft! Death to RIM!

 

/Fitting right in here.

nobody said anything about Microsoft and RIM - they're already doing a fair job of killing themselves but at least they have original looking designs in the mobile space.  

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Well here we go again


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Hey 'watchers' you assume Apple is willingly to license. They might not be

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Death to HTC! Death to Samsung! Death to Microsoft! Death to RIM!

/Fitting right in here.

I actually want HTC to win, they were making some pretty great phones until gian Samsung came along & undercut them too. It's going to be a lot harder for Apple to argue HTC copied the iPhone as they never really looked like the iPhone from an interface standpoint actually had some stand out qualities from the iPhone that others later copied from HTC.

We're not all Apple fanatics on here but you quite obviously are a troll.
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Originally Posted by mkart4 View Post
Well here we go again

 

And with it comes an entirely new family of trolls who will do nothing but copy and paste the same arguments that Samsung trolls copied and pasted. 


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It's going to be a lot harder for Apple to argue HTC copied the iPhone as they never really looked like the iPhone from an interface standpoint actually had some stand out qualities from the iPhone that others later copied from HTC.
 

Aren't the HTC infringements more operational than aesthetic?

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It's just a flesh wound! ... Come back here and take what's coming to ya!

 

LOL

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Hey 'watchers' you assume Apple is willingly to license. They might not be

 

Yeah, it's kind of tiresome to hear that "Apple is going to licence their stuff to Android" crap on every article lately.  

 

Apple has a long history in this regard, they almost always stick to the same rules and they haven't changed.  They even went on the record and in great detail about how they decide these sorts of issues during the recent trial.  

 

1) The bulk of their patents they are willing to licence to anyone that asks, basically on FRAND or close to FRANd terms. 

 

2) The cool things like gestures and tricky hardware things that no one else does, are simply not shared.  Ever. 

 

 

The one exception is that they were so fed up with Samsung's copying they actually offered to violate this long standing rule and licence the rubber-banding and so forth to Samsung.  That's how pissed they were and how anxious they were to avoid this trial.  

 

The idea that Apple is now going to be making the rounds asking for money from Android for their core stuff is laughable.  It won't happen and I wish Apple Insider would stop implying that it will.  

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It's just a flesh wound! ... Come back here and take what's coming to ya!

 

 

I've had worse.

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Death to HTC! Death to Samsung! Death to Microsoft! Death to RIM!

 

/Fitting right in here.

 

We don't need infringers. 

We don't need industry slobs.

We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."

 

Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."

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The one exception is that they were so fed up with Samsung's copying they actually offered to violate this long standing rule and licence the rubber-banding and so forth to Samsung.  That's how pissed they were and how anxious they were to avoid this trial.

That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.
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Bottom line, there's nothing to settle.

 

Apple wants HTC's Android smartphones banned. That'd be the only settlement Apple would take. 

 

It's silly for the reporter to think HTC actually has the choice to settle. 

It's a key point.

 

HTC has to fight it, as it's live or die (until HTC can 'innovate' or move to ICS++, or WP8 or whatever.    Not selling and paying a an unplanned penalty on sold phones is a 'death penalty' akin to telling a D1 (US)Football team to stop playing football for a couple year... as cash flow depletes, making it noncompetitive for several years after (no-R&D, talent leaves, hard to recruit). 

 

But if your business plan is to profit from stolen property,  this is something you have to accept.

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That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.

 

and HTC is not a key partner.

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Aren't the HTC infringements more operational than aesthetic?

In what way and which one?

 

They took the playbook from Samsung and whatthey have with One series don't look like iOS now. Anyone still has older HTC, such as Sensation and Desire series, could you give it a whirl and get me up to speed?

 

AND, why Apple would bother with a minnow with iPhone 5 and iPad mini deadlines are this close. Can we come back at HTC after January Sales?

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Dismembering Android one limb at a time?
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That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.

Samsung convinced Apple is no longer indispensable after Note, Galaxy 3 take off outside the U.S. with enough sales to keep Samsung Semiconductor in baclk for 10 years. Coupled that Galaxy Tab walk free from the case, they think they can now take on Apple on its own term.

 

Samsung killed Nokia, Panasonic and Sony before, so why not take on the trophy of the lifetime?

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ITC recognized that in some Android-smartphones of the Taiwan producer of HTC patent laws of the Apple company are broken. Regulators any more support for the first time Apple in patent disputes with HTC.

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Dismembering Android one limb at a time?

 

 

 

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The difference is that HTC had phones out before the iphone that had no keyboards on the front. Heck htc even has phones with home buttons that have things like a touch scroll wheel which apple does not have(look at the touch pro it has a touch sensitive scroll on the home button).  Its not as clean cut as with the samsung case.

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Samsung killed Nokia, Panasonic and Sony before, so why not take on the trophy of the lifetime?

 

 

Can't.

 

Apple mindshare. Watch it in action this quarter. 

 

Samsung "killed" Sony?? In what?   O.o

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We don't need infringers. 

We don't need industry slobs.

We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."

 

Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."

 

When you make statements like that, are you willing to acknowledge what Apple took from Android, or will you pass that off as "prior art", "stolen from WebOS", "existed in XYZ", etc?

 

Do you really believe Apple above those statements? Where do you think the Notification Shade came from?

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We don't need infringers. 

We don't need industry slobs.

We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."

 

Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."

 

We also don't need to keep filling the electronic landfills with garbage. Android phones that a lot of users don't want. Phones that don't last that long. Why is it I'm constantly seeing my Android buds swapping handsets? Where do the other handsets go? 

 

 

 

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We also don't need to keep filling the electronic landfills with garbage. Android phones that a lot of users don't want. Phones that don't last that long. Why is it I'm constantly seeing my Android buds swapping handsets? Where do the other handsets go? 

 

 

If this is how you really feel, you should be pushing for an open platform, where mobile devices use a standard and can load the OS of their choice. 

 

E.G., UEFI-based firmware that can install an OS (iOS, Android, WinPhone, etc.) in a fashion similar to how one can install OS X, Windows, Linux, etc.

 

Device manufacturers would provide drivers (and telecoms would provide radio drivers), and you could install and use what you please.

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When you make statements like that, are you willing to acknowledge what Apple took from Android, ?

 

Acknowledge what? I didn't see any court making that determination. Did you?

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Acknowledge what? I didn't see any court making that determination. Did you?

 

This is now my defense to anyone and everyone on this site.

 

Great argument. Awesome point.

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Can't.

 

Apple mindshare. Watch it in action this quarter. 

 

Samsung "killed" Sony?? In what?   O.o

Consumer electronics. Samsung don't see smartphone to be any different product category than TV, home theatre, stereo, pocket music player, camera, iPod dock, DVD player and so on. You don't but they do.

 

The only source of money from Sony today are movie and music royalties and Sony Bank, selling bonds to Japanese customers at 0% interest. Their manufacturing stays in red since 2007. A brain-dead patient on life support I say.

 

Wasn't it like GM before bankrupcy; a pension fund which also make automobiles. By the same token, Harley Davidson of 2012 is a financing company which makes motorcycles.

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We don't need infringers. 
We don't need industry slobs.
We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."

Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."

Well you're gonna die waiting and why would you want to see that?
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If this is how you really feel, you should be pushing for an open platform, where mobile devices use a standard and can load the OS of their choice. 

E.G., UEFI-based firmware that can install an OS (iOS, Android, WinPhone, etc.) in a fashion similar to how one can install OS X, Windows, Linux, etc.

Device manufacturers would provide drivers (and telecoms would provide radio drivers), and you could install and use what you please.

I'm not really sure if you're being serious...
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2) The cool things like gestures and tricky hardware things that no one else does, are simply not shared.  Ever. 

 

That sums it up perfectly.  Apple worked long and hard on their hardware and software.  They paid good money to acquire Fingerworks and PA Semi and other companies to incorporate and refine their hardware and software technologies.  Those investments gave Apple major competitive advantages that have driven Apple's recent success.  And now Apple is protecting those investments.  Any company would.

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