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Apple on Wednesday provided developers with the second beta of OS X 10.8.2 Mountain Lion, less than a week after the first beta became available.

People familiar with the latest beta of OS X 10.8.2 indicated it is known as build 12C35. Developers have reportedly been asked to focus on the new Facebook integration coming to the updated version of Mountain Lion.

Other areas of focus highlighted by Apple for developers are said to be Messages, Game Center, Safari and Reminders. The latest build of OS X 10.8.2 reportedly contains no known issues.

The first beta of OS X 10.8.2 was provided to select developers last Thursday. Those who participated in the beta were invited to do so by Apple via e-mail.

The biggest change in OS X 10.8.2 is expected to be Facebook integration across the entire Mountain Lion operating system. The new feature will work similar to how Twitter is currently integrated, with the ability to post pictures and other content directly to a user's Facebook account with the operating system's Share Sheets button.

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The latest public release of Mountain Lion, OS X 10.8.1, also launched last Thursday. It resolved an issue that caused Migration Assistant to unexpectedly quit, improved compatibility when connecting to a Microsoft Exchange server in Mail, and addressed an issue playing audio through a Thunderbolt display.

Just two developer previews of OS X 10.8.1 were made available to developers before the software officially launched. Mountain Lion became available on the Mac App Store just over a months go, on July 25.
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Drag and Drop Issue sorted ? 

 
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am I the only one on the planet who doesn't use facebook and cannot see how this will be helpful?

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No your not neither do I!

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I can hardly wait for all the hullabaloo to appear about FB integration when 10.8.2 and iOS6 are released to the public.

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I hate Facebook (privacy issues) and cannot figure out why twitter is still around.

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am I the only one on the planet who doesn't use facebook and cannot see how this will be helpful?
You are not required (nor expected) to use every single feature in OS X (or iOS for that matter). If you don't find Facebook integration useful, it's not a big deal. It's not for you.

You're not obligated to use any feature. If you don't want to use OS X's address book, you don't have to. Same with Mail.app, Dashboard, a particular screensaver, whatever.

As a matter of fact, you don't even need to turn your computer on. You can use it as paperweight, door stop, or boat anchor.

Computers are designed to address the needs and desires of a large marketplace comprised of people with varying interests. They aren't designed specifically for you.

Apple Inc. is not in the kitchen, cooking breakfast for you. Apple is not your mom.
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Where the hell is this seed, I can't find it 

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am I the only one on the planet who doesn't use facebook and cannot see how this will be helpful?

 

Let's imagine/assume this is the case, and you are the only one on the planet that doesn't use facebook. Is it a reasonable sentiment on your part to begrudge Apple for including a feature that everyone else might use, except you? Should Apple base their product development upon your needs/wants, specifically? Can you not aknowledge that it is a FACT that hundreds of millions of people use facebook, and for a large percentage of these people, this integration would be useful? I'm not a huge fan of facebook either, but I'm able to look 2 inches beyond my own nose and realize this integration is a good thing, as many (maybe not myself) will want to use it. Therefore, it's a good and rational decision for Apple to include it. It shows an utter lack of maturity if you're unable to see the big picture and expect a company to act in a way that would please only you, instead of a large number of people. How will you suffer from this feature? At most, you will see one more sharing option that you never have to use. Grow up. This bitching and whining about an added sharing option is unbelievable. 

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Where the hell is this seed, I can't find it 

 

It usually takes a couple hours to show up on non-official channels. I don't care about FB integration, personally, and wish they'd focus on fixing the battery issues, which this second beta apparently doesn't since I'm still showing 2 hours less runtime versus Lion. Seriously not amused.

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Let's imagine/assume this is the case, and you are the only one on the planet that doesn't use facebook. Is it a reasonable sentiment on your part to begrudge Apple for including a feature that everyone else might use, except you? Should Apple base their product development upon your needs/wants, specifically? Can you not aknowledge that it is a FACT that hundreds of millions of people use facebook, and for a large percentage of these people, this integration would be useful? I'm not a huge fan of facebook either, but I'm able to look 2 inches beyond my own nose and realize this integration is a good thing, as many (maybe not myself) will want to use it. Therefore, it's a good and rational decision for Apple to include it. It shows an utter lack of maturity if you're unable to see the big picture and expect a company to act in a way that would please only you, instead of a large number of people. How will you suffer from this feature? At most, you will see one more sharing option that you never have to use. Grow up. This bitching and whining about an added sharing option is unbelievable. 

Whoa hold on there partner, when did I ever on this site or anywhere at all begrudge apple? I have been an Apple supporter for a very long time. Its facebook I am begrudging, it is an overhyped uneccessary blight on humanity and I think apple would be fine with leaving it as an app rather than a full IOS integration.

 

I neither whined nor bitched about apple in any way and yeah I know very well I don't have to use it but I don't have to like it either, To me integrating something like facebook cheapens the design of IOS and caters to a crowd of mostly braindead socialites. If you think my points are unfair then by all means tell me why facebook integration is an important feature of IOS and how it will benefit me and apple going forward but you shouldn't insinuate that I am trashing apple for simply sharing my opinion. Oh and my original question was rhetorical I am in no way the only person in the world who feels this way.

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As a matter of fact, you don't even need to turn your computer on. You can use it as... (a) boat anchor.

Sadly with Apple's drive to make thin and light devices this is is becoming a less and less viable use 1wink.gif
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I hate Facebook (privacy issues) and cannot figure out why twitter is still around.

 

Maybe you're just too paranoid about your privacy?

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I will bet the facebook users outweigh the non-facebook users but if Apple created a way to edit the share sheet list then everyone would be happy.

You are probably right Facebook has alot of people.

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If you think my points are unfair then by all means tell me why facebook integration is an important feature of IOS and how it will benefit me and apple going forward but you shouldn't insinuate that I am trashing apple for simply sharing my opinion. Oh and my original question was rhetorical I am in no way the only person in the world who feels this way.
Disclaimer: I'm not a Facebook fan. However, I do understand how some others find it a valuable and even (gasp) fun service.

I won't tell you how Facebook integration with OS X will help you, however, here are several points that will benefit many other users.

Address Book integration: having your Mac's address book synchronize contact information with Facebook. Most people, if they list their contact info (phone, e-mail, etc.) put in their real information. It's far easier to maintain an address book that is updated by the individual users. Note that this isn't just e-mail and phone. It could be something like profile photos. Do you know how time consuming it is to track down a decent photo of someone and add it to your Mac's Address Book entry for them?

Calendar integration: again, having Facebook events (birthdays, etc.) added to your Mac's Calendar rather than manually enter all the data.

Messages integration: the Messages (formerly iChat) application in Mountain Lion does not currently support Facebook messaging. You need to fire up a separate application (a web browser or maybe a third-party application).

Photo Stream integration: are you starting to get it?

Notification Center integration: how about now?
Edited by cvaldes1831 - 8/29/12 at 5:51pm
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I read somewhere that like 80% of Facebook accounts are fake or duplicate/secondary, throwaway accounts which is against their rules. How long before Apple ID and iCloud accounts start being faked at the same rate? I can understand having to use your actually identity to register an iPhone since it has a monthly bill from the carrier but it is just a bit too invasive in my opinion to require you to have and Apple ID and a credit card to upgrade the OS on your computer. Personally I liked it better before when I could go to the brick and mortar Apple Store or Amazon and purchase the family DVD without having to register everything. Apple is just getting way too into my personal affairs for my liking. 

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Actually, you don't need a credit card for an Apple ID account. You can recharge an account with an iTunes Store gift card.

As a matter of fact, that's the smart way of funding your iTunes Store purchases, not using a credit card.

First of all, by using a gift card, iTunes/App Store will show your balance remaining. That functions very well for me as a budgeting tool.

Secondly (and perhaps more importantly), you can save money by using gift cards. Periodically, iTunes Store gift cards will go on sale, up to 20% off (e.g., $50 card for $40) from online merchants. That's FREE money.

Like many other people, I downloaded Mountain Lion for $20 a few weeks ago. But wait, I had recharged my account with a $50 gift card code that I bought from BestBuy.com for $40. So my out-of-pocket expenses were really $16 for the latest operating system.
Edited by cvaldes1831 - 8/29/12 at 6:07pm
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Bring it. 

 

Twitter integration is already great in ML. I'm having a great time with it. 

 

Waiting for the same level of love for Facebook. 

 

Will it be possible to post to Both Twitter and Facebook at the same time?

 

For instance, I've got this handy little iPhone app, called "Sociable" that does just that. 

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I read somewhere that like 80% of Facebook accounts are fake or duplicate/secondary, throwaway accounts which is against their rules.

80% ???

More like 8.7%
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Actually, you don't need a credit card for an Apple ID account. You can recharge an account with an iTunes Store gift card.

Good to know thanks.

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80% ???
More like 8.7%

Thanks for the correction. 100% of my Facebook accounts are now fake as I deleted my real one but still need the other two to administrate some company pages for clients.

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I hate Facebook (privacy issues) and cannot figure out why twitter is still around.

 

I like Facebook because they aren't Google.

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

 

Let's imagine/assume this is the case, and you are the only one on the planet that doesn't use facebook. Is it a reasonable sentiment on your part to begrudge Apple for including a feature that everyone else might use, except you? Should Apple base their product development upon your needs/wants, specifically? Can you not aknowledge that it is a FACT that hundreds of millions of people use facebook, and for a large percentage of these people, this integration would be useful? I'm not a huge fan of facebook either, but I'm able to look 2 inches beyond my own nose and realize this integration is a good thing, as many (maybe not myself) will want to use it. Therefore, it's a good and rational decision for Apple to include it. It shows an utter lack of maturity if you're unable to see the big picture and expect a company to act in a way that would please only you, instead of a large number of people. How will you suffer from this feature? At most, you will see one more sharing option that you never have to use. Grow up. This bitching and whining about an added sharing option is unbelievable. 

Depending on how Twitter and FB integration is implemented, it certainly can be the case that non-users of such features, or any features for that matter, can be affected. Software and feature bloat is and always should be a concern. Has anyone used MS Windows recently? How about MS Office applications? Anybody want to address Adobe Flash on the Mac? "Integration" is keyword. "Integration" can be tightly-coupled or loosely- coupled. All users of software will always be affected whether they use a feature or not. 

 

By Slurpy's comments, I can only assume he has never written or contributed any code development, except maybe some toy applications. There is never, ever a point in the development cycle with any application that us professional programmers don't have to consider the benefits and costs and complexities of integrating in a new feature into an existing codebase. Why? Because it often is far more complex to do so than the mere handwaving sentiments from users or administrators. There are always costs, sometimes surprising high, and they do affect users who would never use such a feature.

 

So what is the affect of adding FB and Twitter integration? The code needs to be maintained; takes time, effort, staff. Issue new release and the new code must be tested again and again. FB or Twitter makes changes; then the integrated software needs to be updated to support, not only in the current OS release but also in all extant supported releases.

 

The above is just for starters. I'll let other developers chime in with their own extended list of costs. But, barring that, here is a link for you to consider: http://www.cioupdate.com/reports/article.php/1563701/Software-Project-Failure-The-Reasons-The-Costs.htm

 

Or, http://ometer.com/features.html


Edited by waldobushman - 8/29/12 at 7:09pm
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I like Facebook because they aren't Google.

Lol hmmm I have to agree there,

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Actually, you don't need a credit card for an Apple ID account. You can recharge an account with an iTunes Store gift card.
As a matter of fact, that's the smart way of funding your iTunes Store purchases, not using a credit card. ...

More like "that's the cheap way of funding your iTunes store purchases."  

 

There is nothing inherently "dumb" about using a credit card, there are bonuses and discounts you can obtain using either method. 

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Wrong again. I see you have never done this before.

Just use a credit card to buy the iTunes gift card.

In most cases, you have to anyhow since the discounted iTunes Store cards are really only available online. You can't walk into a Best Buy and get the $50 card for $40 cash.

Now if you'd like to mention iTunes Store specific discounts available via credit card-linked purchases that aren't available to iTunes gift card credit users, please feel free to present your sources. The credit card bennies like cash-back, points, airline miles, whatever all apply to iTunes gift cards purchased online with the same credit card.

My guess is that you are frustrated to learn that you have possibly wasted hundreds of dollars by using a linked credit card rather than funding your iTunes/App/iBook Store purchases with prepaid gift card at a discounted price. Sorry, but that's not my fault.
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I like Facebook because they aren't Google.

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Lol hmmm I have to agree there,

 

This seems like six of one and half a dozen of the other to me.  Both are after your personal information.  Both use deceptive practices to get it.  Both have poor security at the best of times.  Neither have your best interests at heart.  Neither have you as their customer, but instead are selling you as the product.  

 

I would argue that Facebook is actually the more honest of the two as Google will vehemently deny all of the above, but Facebook is pretty straightforward about the fact that they are screwing you around.  Google is still half-filled with folks who actually still believe they are working for a "good" company that does "good" things.  I doubt there are many coders at Facebook operating under those kind of illusions.  

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Facebook sucks along with Mark Fukenberg , it is a failure, ask your broker, it will haunt the kids that tell all on it for the rest of their lives. Dump Facebook !
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If you use a debit card or iTunes gift card instead of a credit card to fund your iTunes account, you will have less leverage in disputes and if someone steals your apple id and spends all your funds, you'll very likely never see that money again. Federal law limits liability with a credit card to $50, with c.c. companies often footing the whole bill.

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This seems like six of one and half a dozen of the other to me.  Both are after your personal information.  Both use deceptive practices to get it.  Both have poor security at the best of times.  Neither have your best interests at heart.  Neither have you as their customer, but instead are selling you as the product.  

 

I would argue that Facebook is actually the more honest of the two as Google will vehemently deny all of the above, but Facebook is pretty straightforward about the fact that they are screwing you around.  Google is still half-filled with folks who actually still believe they are working for a "good" company that does "good" things.  I doubt there are many coders at Facebook operating under those kind of illusions.  

Again they are straightforward though which is why I do not use them. Also, didn't Geohot get hired at Facebook?

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If you use a debit card or iTunes gift card instead of a credit card to fund your iTunes account, you will have less leverage in disputes and if someone steals your apple id and spends all your funds, you'll very likely never see that money again. Federal law limits liability with a credit card to $50, with c.c. companies often footing the whole bill.

So perhaps it makes sense to fund the iTunes account with the gift card just before buying something to minimize the risk. For example I have a PayPal account linked to a bank account in which I only keep a $200 balance. If I need to use it I can easily transfer money from another account .

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If you use a debit card or iTunes gift card instead of a credit card to fund your iTunes account, you will have less leverage in disputes and if someone steals your apple id and spends all your funds, you'll very likely never see that money again. Federal law limits liability with a credit card to $50, with c.c. companies often footing the whole bill.
I'm willing to take that risk since I won't put more than $50 in my iTunes/Apple ID account via a gift card. And then again, if it gets stolen, it was really $40, right? ;-)

Plus, I've found that Apple's iTunes Store customer support to be pretty good, probably second to American Express.

I bought a Google Voice app for $5 and then Apple removed it from the store in the brouhaha a few years ago. I complained and Apple refunded the entire amount. No fraud, but Apple was very understanding in my disappointment with their editorial policies at the time.

Similarly, a friend of mine got a huge credit card charge from Apple because his kids racked up a bunch of in-app purchases. Apple calmly walk him through the procedure of setting parental controls and waived the charges.

None of these were federally mandated, but it's stuff like this that gets Apple placed at the top of pretty much every single customer satisfaction survey.

In summary, I don't expect to ever have to go to a credit card issuer's merchant dispute department to deal with erroneous charges from Apple. I think Apple and I can iron this out ourselves.

Trust me, I use credit cards for big ticket items (mostly for travel, extended warranty coverage and potential merchant dispute issues), especially if I'm dealing with vendors that I don't have a longtime relationship with.

With Apple's iTunes Store, it's pretty small potatoes, plus I trust them (relative to most of the other merchants I deal with).
Edited by cvaldes1831 - 8/29/12 at 8:56pm
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...tell me why facebook integration is an important feature of IOS and how it will benefit me...

 

It won't benefit you.  And that's where you've missed the whole point - it's not all about you, it's about the hundreds of millions around the world who do use it.

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It won't benefit you.  And that's where you've missed the whole point - it's not all about you, it's about the hundreds of millions around the world who do use it.
Forget it.

He doesn't get it. He still thinks the universe revolves around him and his personal interests. He's not really aware that there are other people with other interests, other priorities on this planet.
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How about fixing God Dam perfomance issue. Apple is insane, I had Retina for two weeks it rendered my footage at speed of mac mini!

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am I the only one on the planet who doesn't use facebook and cannot see how this will be helpful?

Unless you are a user beyond average I bet there are a lot of features in OS/X you don't use. This is frankly a silly complaint, no one complains about all the UNIX features the common user hardly uses. When is the last time you fired up BASH for example or wrote an involved script for that shell?

I'm not much of a user of Facebook either but I don't let it's integration bother me any more than any other feature I don't use.
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I read somewhere that like 80% of Facebook accounts are fake or duplicate/secondary, throwaway accounts which is against their rules. How long before Apple ID and iCloud accounts start being faked at the same rate? I can understand having to use your actually identity to register an iPhone since it has a monthly bill from the carrier but it is just a bit too invasive in my opinion to require you to have and Apple ID and a credit card to upgrade the OS on your computer. Personally I liked it better before when I could go to the brick and mortar Apple Store or Amazon and purchase the family DVD without having to register everything. Apple is just getting way too into my personal affairs for my liking. 

I'm sick and tired with everyone going on about how Facebook has over 950 million users. No it doesn't. It was over 950 million ACCOUNTS! Completely different. I wish people would finally acknowledge that.....

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Good to see that Drag and drop, battery performance, awakening from sleep issues are right up there in Apple's priorities.
How can I go back to Lion until this almighty mess called Mountain Lion has been sorted.
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I'm sick and tired with everyone going on about how Facebook has over 950 million users. No it doesn't. It was over 950 million ACCOUNTS! Completely different. I wish people would finally acknowledge that.....

In a 10-Q filing, Facebook acknowledged that a total of 8.7% — or 83 million — accounts on the network are bogus. Of that 8.7%, 4.8% are duplicate accounts, 2.4% are user-misclassified accounts and 1.5% are “undesirable” accounts, a.k.a. spam.

So that only leaves 872 million accounts.

And I reckon that translates to a lot of users too.

It's still the largest online community... any way you slice it.
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