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A new photo of questionable quality purports to show a new system on a chip for Apple's next iPhone labeled "A6."

The latest alleged part leak was posted online on Wednesday by Sonny Dickson, with a picture claiming to show the logic board of the new iPhone with a processor named A6. If accurate, the naming suggests that the new processor would be a generational upgrade from the A5 chip found in the iPhone 4S, as well as the A5X chip with upgraded graphics that Apple included in the third-generation iPad.

While the image posted Thursday shows a logic board that matches up with previous photos posted online, the quality of the image itself is so low that the picture could easily have been faked. Official details on Apple's next iPhone are not expected to be revealed until the company's anticipated media event on Sept. 12.

In previous years, Apple introduced its next-generation custom chips in the company's latest iPad model. The A4 first debuted in the first-generation iPad in 2010 before coming to the iPhone 4, while the A5 was introduced in the iPad 2 in 2011 before it showed up in the iPhone 4S.

This year, however, the new iPad with Retina display did not pack in a new A6 processor, with the A5X instead serving as a modest upgrade with improved graphics capabilities to drive the new high-resolution screen.

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One report in early July claimed that Apple's sixth-generation iPhone, commonly referred to in the media as the "iPhone 5," will feature a quad-core ARM processor based on Samsung's Exynox 4 architecture. Other details, including clock speed or graphics processing capabilities, were not mentioned.

The A5 chip in the iPhone 4S is a dual-core processor clocked at 800 megahertz. In the iPad 2, the A5 runs slightly faster at 1 gigahertz, thanks to a larger form factor with a bigger battery.

As for the A5X chip, it's based on Samsung's 45-nanometer low-power architecture, also found in the A5 CPU in the iPhone 4S and iPad 2.
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Must be something new. The A5X is big and sure isn't going to fit in an iPhone..
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LOL, AppleInsider got played.

It looks Photoshopped: as in a photograph of a Photoshopped image displayed on a computer screen.

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I had to make sure it said AppleInsider in the URL and not Digitimes....

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I had to make sure it said AppleInsider in the URL and not Digitimes....

Just cause the URL is Appleinsider it could still be from Digitimes

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I bet it will be an A6 regardless of this photo's authenticity, as well as in the ipad Mini
 

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It's a picture of an image on a computer screen. I don't buy it.

 

I DO buy that image of the uncut, unchipped iPhone motherboards, though. Except I've never seen what they're really like so that could be entirely fake.


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I bet it will be an A6 regardless of this photo's authenticity, as well as in the ipad Mini

 

Bet the iPhone nano (with no apps or data) has it, too.

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post #8 of 44
I hope so but in this photo the logo on the chip
Is so dark. Just doesn't look right.
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Whatever the hell is inside the next iPhone, its pretty much a guarantee it will run like oiled butter. 

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The A6 is supposed to have iPod integration, Bluetooth, a mobile wifi hotspot, a rear camera, and your choice of 2.0 and 3.0-liter turbocharged engines. At least according to the Internets.

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Guess we will have to wait for the next video segment from our double downed asian leakster to confirm this. Hewwo youtube.......lol.gif

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Even with an A6 processor will the know-it-all tech jackasses be impressed?  They're always looking for some awesome features that they think are necessary to make a device worthy of their expectations.  They believe consumers think like they do and are easily impressed by a few specs.  If the A6 processor runs at 1 GHz, the tech-heads will be crying that all the Android smartphones run at 1.5 GHz and above.  So far, rumors have talked about an NFC chip and now an A6.  If either of these rumors are false, the tech-heads will be oh, so disappointed and that Apple is cheating consumers out of the latest and greatest features.  I just hope Apple puts out a product that average consumers enjoy using, no matter what the Android vendors are doing.  If Apple can sell 50 million new iPhones in a financial quarter that should be more than good enough.  I hope the production goes smoothly and high demand can be met.

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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post
Even with an A6 processor will the know-it-all tech jackasses be impressed?

 

Nope. Same phone as two years ago. Apple's selling the same phone. Looks the same. Can't be different.

 

…all the Android smartphones run at 1.5 GHz and above.

 

Darn it, I was gonna make the "1.5GHz Crapdragon" quip!

 

I just hope Apple puts out a product that average consumers enjoy using, no matter what the Android vendors are doing.  If Apple can sell 50 million new iPhones in a financial quarter that should be more than good enough.  I hope the production goes smoothly and high demand can be met.

 

Couldn't agree more. 

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One report in early July claimed that Apple's sixth-generation iPhone, commonly referred to in the media as the "iPhone 5," will feature a quad-core ARM processor based on Samsung's Exynox 4 architecture.

 

 

This statement is erroneous, the processor architecture is ARM (Cortex A-9).  Samsung Exynos is not an architecture, Samsung Exynos is Samsung's implementation of ARM Cortex architecture much like Apple's Ax series of SOCs are an implementation of the ARM architecture.  Apple will not use a Samsung designed SOC in their flagship device.  I suspect the statement (which in AppleInsider's defense is widely misreported) should be that "Apple's sixth-generation iPhone, commonly referred to in the media as the "iPhone 5," will feature a quad-core ARM processor based on Samsung's Exynos 32 nm process technology."  The Samsung Exynos process technology refers to their 32nm CMOS process.

 

The use of 32 nm CMOS process technology is important though because this dramatically improves efficiency and reduces the footprint of the SOC.

 

I strongly suspect the Apple A6 SOC to have the following specifications:

 

Apple A6 SOC (system-on-a-chip) POP (package-on-package) 32 nm (CMOS) process

800 MHz quad-core ARM Cortex A9 CPU with 32 KB L1 cache + 32 KB and 1 MiB L2 cache

1 GB LPDDR2 RAM

200 MHz quad-core PowerVR SGX543MP4 GPU performing at ~28 GFLOPS, ~130M polygons per second supporting DirectX 9, Open GL 2.1, Open CL 1.1

 

Unfortunately, ARM Cortex A-15 processors and PowerVR Series 6 (Rogue) graphics processors are not market ready at this time.  

 
 
 

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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
Average consumers might not know or care if it is a quad core 1 Ghz or 1.5Ghz and Apple keeps those specs pretty secretive in any case.

 

Personally, If I had to guess I would say it is a dual core in the range of 1 to 1.2Ghz.

 

Whatever it is, it'll be downclocked from the iPad's version.

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Even with an A6 processor will the know-it-all tech jackasses be impressed?  They're always looking for some awesome features that they think are necessary to make a device worthy of their expectations.

You know better than that. There's no point even asking the question. No matter what Apple does, the idiots won't be impressed.

If the new iPhone (which could be named '5', '6', 4LTE, 4GT, or 4SST for all I care) has a processor 5 times faster than the previous one, 4 times the RAM, twice the storage, a better camera, LTE, a battery which lasts twice as long, larger screen, new physical design, and a single baseband which covers every frequency known to man, the whiners will still complain that the 'home' button is 0.001 mm smaller than the old one.
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What do you mean the A15 architecture is not market ready? There are already numerous phones shipping with A15 processors.
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Even with an A6 processor will the know-it-all tech jackasses be impressed?  They're always looking for some awesome features that they think are necessary to make a device worthy of their expectations.  They believe consumers think like they do and are easily impressed by a few specs.  If the A6 processor runs at 1 GHz, the tech-heads will be crying that all the Android smartphones run at 1.5 GHz and above.  So far, rumors have talked about an NFC chip and now an A6.  If either of these rumors are false, the tech-heads will be oh, so disappointed and that Apple is cheating consumers out of the latest and greatest features.  I just hope Apple puts out a product that average consumers enjoy using, no matter what the Android vendors are doing.  If Apple can sell 50 million new iPhones in a financial quarter that should be more than good enough.  I hope the production goes smoothly and high demand can be met.

Noone gives a shit. These tech heads have shown that they are utterly irrelevant in the market place, as well as being completely deluded as to what makes a good product for the vast majority of people. The Internet is their only bastion where they can make noise and pretend that their holier than thou opinions matter, and their record of being completely wrong about everything is near 100%. they should just buy components and frame on their fridge, which thy can then jack off to, because when it comes to how the actual product performs this seems utterly irrelevant to them, and care only about meaningless numbers. See the galaxy note 10.1, very well specced, runs like complete shit.

Specs are a means to an end, not an end in itself, the point of which to get the product to perform its functions well. They completely miss this premise, instead focusing on the specs in a vacuum as if this matters. These are the same people who bought $600 videocards every month with their self built liquid cooled PCs, mocking people with laptops or store bought pcs, pretending they're somehow being more productive with the power, and not that their focus on that is actually filling an empty whole in their lives where a social life and human interaction would go. The same people who mocked the original iPhone bc it didn't have a physical keyboard, and a billion ports, predicting that because of this it would fail. The same people who predicted failure for the 4s, which ended up becoming the best selling phone on the planet it selling all previous generations of the iphone combined.

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post
These tech heads have shown that they are utterly irrelevant in the market place, as well as being completely deluded as to what makes a good product for the vast majority of people.

 

To be fair, when Android has ~60% of the market, a fair portion of that can be the tech heads: those who bought the phone just for the specs. I would imagine it's a greater amount, at least, than the people who do the same for PCs. You know, with the liquid helium cooling, in-box lighting, and the like. 

 

And think what you will about those fanatics and PCs as a whole, but this doesn't look half bad (except the backplate ruins it). Of course, then you throw ludicrously irresponsible things like this into the mix and it sort of dilutes the beauty. lol.gif

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What do you mean the A15 architecture is not market ready? There are already numerous phones shipping with A15 processors.

Selling now ?
Which brand, model? Seriously, no offense, it would raise the hope A6 housing A15's if there are Phones shipping.

Otherwise, I tend to believe it is a die shrunk quad core A9 with some less powerful gpu than the A5X.
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Seems very, very unlikely. The A6, if it follows Apple's previous pattern, will be comprised of a Cortex A15 and a Power VR Rogue, neither of which is ready yet.

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To be fair, when Android has ~60% of the market, a fair portion of that can be the tech heads: those who bought the phone just for the specs. I would imagine it's a greater amount, at least, than the people who do the same for PCs. You know, with the liquid helium cooling, in-box lighting, and the like. 

 

And think what you will about those fanatics and PCs as a whole, but this doesn't look half bad (except the backplate ruins it). Of course, then you throw ludicrously irresponsible things like this into the mix and it sort of dilutes the beauty. lol.gif

 

The main reasons there are so many Android devices is the following:

 

1. Almost every single non-iPhone has Android installed by default from every manufacturer on the planet, and why not? A free OS which cuts their R&D costs by a massive margin. 

2. iPhone is not available on many carriers, and those who would have purchased one are forced to purchase an Android device instead

3. A large number of Android phones are dirt cheap, almost dumb phone prices, sold in developing countries and on pre-paid lines

 

Some want to delude themselves and make themselves believe that the reason Android is selling so well is because of 'open', 'customization' or other such bullshit. Yeah, I'm sure there's a few people who specifically choose to buy an Android phone because of the OS, but this is an extremely small minority, the major factors being the above. Its the same paradigm as comparing Mac VS PC sales, which is Apples and oranges. The vast majority of people who buy Macs consciously decide to buy them based on the the OS, etc. The vast majority of people who buy PCs don't buy because they love Windows, it's because of price and that they're 'used' to it, or its what they use at work. Same with Androids. Most people I know who own an Android phone don't know a clue about the OS. It wasn't even a factor on their radar when making the purchase, it's what was available on their plan and 'looked kinda like an iPhone'. They didnt 'choose' it cause it was 'open' or that they could install their own ROMS, regardless of what reality-challenged Android cheerleaders want you to believe, 

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But if it misses this cycle, it will be 12 months later. Long wait.
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iOS 6, A6. This is definitely not an iPhone 5

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SEE....Proof, Bigfoot is real :P

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To be fair, when Android has ~60% of the market, a fair portion of that can be the tech heads: those who bought the phone just for the specs.

Well yeah, what tech head wouldnt want one of these beauties .

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So, I was right it wll include the A6, Here's for quad core!

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I hope the production goes smoothly and high demand can be met.

No, no, no.  Sales are supposed to be smooth, not production!

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In other news, when the 6th iPhone is released, Samsung is suing Apple that very day.

 

No, seriously.  lol.giflol.giflol.giflol.giflol.giflol.gif

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Well yeah, what tech head wouldnt want one of these beauties .

That really is an Android phone!

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iOS 6, A6. This is definitely not an iPhone 5
Lol

 

If they call it iPhone 6, then you have the number of the beast! Isn't that what the Apple 1 sold for? Satan wears a turtleneck!

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If there is an A6 chip, I wonder what will happen with the iPad.

 

I could see the iPad mini using the A5X, and possibly coming out with a newer iPad using the A6.

 

Because of its few products and high volume requirements, Apple has to arrange product releases when major parts (CPUs, GPUs, retina displays) can be manufactured in quantity.

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Selling now ?
Which brand, model? Seriously, no offense, it would raise the hope A6 housing A15's if there are Phones shipping.
Otherwise, I tend to believe it is a die shrunk quad core A9 with some less powerful gpu than the A5X.

 

There are not any currently shipping smartphones which utilize the ARM Cortex A-15 architecture. (1) (2)  This just demonstrates how poorly informed Android advocates are.
 
Apple will use the 32 nm process technology they have previously implemented on lower volume devices (AppleTV and iPad 2) but will almost certainly use the same (or better) CPU and GPU as the A5X SOC simply because the SOC can be much smaller using a 32 nm process rather than a 45 nm process and certainly much more efficient as well.
 
  1. Agam Shah.  Published 19 April 2011.  ARM Expects First Cortex-A15 Devices in Late 2012  IDG News.  Retrieved 30 August 2012.
  2. Alexandra Burlacu.  Published 11 August 2012Samsung's Cortex A15-based Exynos 5 Dual Chip May Pave the Way for 'Retina' Android Devices.  Mobile & Apps.  Retrieved 30 August 2012.
 
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There are not any currently shipping smartphones which utilize the ARM Cortex A-15 architecture. (1) (2)  This just demonstrates how poorly informed Android advocates are.
 
Apple will use the 32 nm process technology they have previously implemented on lower volume devices (AppleTV and iPad 2) but will almost certainly use the same (or better) CPU and GPU as the A5X SOC simply because the SOC can be much smaller using a 32 nm process rather than a 45 nm process and certainly much more efficient as well.
 
  1. Agam Shah.  Published 19 April 2011.  ARM Expects First Cortex-A15 Devices in Late 2012  IDG News.  Retrieved 30 August 2012.
  2. Alexandra Burlacu.  Published 11 August 2012Samsung's Cortex A15-based Exynos 5 Dual Chip May Pave the Way for 'Retina' Android Devices.  Mobile & Apps.  Retrieved 30 August 2012.
 

 

I love how Apple-haters instantly trashed the specs of the 4S, then the benchmarks came out and showed that the A5 blew everything else out of the water. To this day, 11 months later, the GPU in the 4S is still one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful GPU in any smartphone. It's just that Apple doesn't spam their marketing with specs/#s which it knows are irrelevant and incomprehensible for most people. The 4S still performs better than any other phone I've used, and I've used all flagship Android phones extensively (S3, One X, etc). Facts aren't a strong suit for these neck-bearded, antisocial, spec-worshipping fanatics. 


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I love how Apple-haters instantly trashed the specs of the 4S, then the benchmarks came out and showed that the A5 blew everything else out of the water. To this day, 11 months later, the GPU in the 4S is still one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful GPU in any smartphone. It's just that Apple doesn't spam their marketing with specs/#s which it knows are irrelevant and incomprehensible for most people. The 4S still performs better than any other phone I've used, and I've used all flagship Android phones extensively (S3, One X, etc). Facts aren't a strong suit for these neckbearded droolers. 

 

Historically, each model of the iPhone has demonstrated superior performance versus rivals for at least six months.  Interestingly, the Samsung Galaxy S3 only achieves superior performance using double the number of cores at nearly double the clock speed with twice the RAM of the iPhone 4S.  One can only imagine the performance of the Apple iPhone if Apple were to double the number of cores, double the clock speed and double the RAM.
 
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You fall into the trap that it is all about speed, when it comes to marketing. Apple has tried to move away from this metric because it is highly misleading. More importantly raw speed is no where near as important as battery lifetimes to most iPhone customers. It is certainly true I want my iPhone to be responsive and capable but I also want it to last all day on a charge.

To put it another way I don't care how iPhone stacks up against other phones, I only care that the software I use works correctly and is responsive!

As to cores and the impact on battery life that is extremely complex. Four cores can be a better energy solution if there is a big differential in clock rates relative to a two core solution. How well four cores work out for users depends upon how many of the apps they use are bound to a single thread. Like all engineering problems you have to find the right set of trade offs that leads to satisfying the greatest number of design parameters. Thus I wouldn't automatically rule out four cores, though I can see two cores with wide frequency scaling being a better choice for many users. Remember also that the process shrink to 28 nm would likely cost the SoC zero extra watts to move to quad core.

My feeling here is that this is just a process shrunk A5X with enhancements. The real interesting future is in 64 bit arm technology. AMC just announced a 64 bit ARM chip at Hot Chips to ship in a few months. 64 bit is the future and as such I suspect that the next iPad will get a 64 bit SoC. We may very well see a split in processors for iPads and iPhone class devices in 2013. The smaller handhelds would get follow ons to the A5X for a couple of more years while the advanced tech goes into the next iPad.
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Average consumers might not know or care if it is a quad core 1 Ghz or 1.5Ghz and Apple keeps those specs pretty secretive in any case. But what they would find out relatively quickly is if some big news outlet does some benchmarks and the iPhone 5 is significantly slower or faster than competing Android phones like the SIII or HTC One X. Apple have a pretty decent track record at significantly increasing either the CPU, GPU, or both with each new iPhone. 

Personally, If I had to guess I would say it is a dual core in the range of 1 to 1.2Ghz. They would only go with a quad core if they saw significant speed gains that warranted the battery loss of two additional cores. They do need to be a little cautious though because they only upgrade about once every 12 months and have to at least match or best android phones in speed for at least half that time. An iPhone 5 that blows away the Galaxy SIII in some real world use benchmarks would especially be nice so close after the lawsuit verdict. Almost like a slap in the face to say, you can't copy our speed. 
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Be careful how much vitriol you spew

I remember those bad old days when we used to justify the worsening power and features of our macs before steve took over

Just hope with Steve gone and samsung snapping at our heels we dont become too complacent

I for one have tried out the samsung products with LTE, and at least in canada on the rogers network sure like the extra speed!

I am counting on LTE for this current upgrade, I dont really care about anything else

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What do you mean the A15 architecture is not market ready? There are already numerous phones shipping with A15 processors.

Really? I'm not aware of any, of course that doesn't mean there isn't any but lets be honest A15 doesn't bring a lot to the table.

Look at this old PDF http://www.apm.com/docs/X-Gene_Minimizing_Power_in_Data-Center_Servers.pdf from AMCC and then search the net for some recent comments from AMCC about X-Gene. This is a 64 bit ARM implementation that they expect to ship in early 2013. This type of architecture has a lot more to offer up to Apple and iOS than A15 could offer. Admittedly this is a highly targetted 64 bit SoC for server uses that is far more than what Apple would implement. It does demonstrate that the ARM market is about to change drastically in a very short period of time. Apple could take a chip like this, cut out half of what is there and still have a rather advanced solution for the next iPad.

While I'm reluctant to support the position that the A15 isn't market ready, I'm fairly certain it could be if Apple actually wanted it in the next iPhone, I just don't see a reason for it. It would be a short term stop gap that would require a release of iOS that they simply wouldn't want to maintain over time. That is if they wanted to leverage the addressing capabilities of a15. Go 64 bit and Apple has the future of iOS devices sowed up for the next decade. Admittedly 64 bit wouldn't go into iPhone until 2015 or so but it isn't needed there.
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