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post #81 of 100
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I found this a bit weird.  

Samsung started off with a lot of phones that were almost identical to the iPhone, then as the suits started to roll, they actually moved to a more original design with their latest Galaxy phones.  Now, right after they lost the suit, they come out with three phones and two tablets that are all almost indistinguishable from iPhone/iPad at a moderate distance.  

It's like they are doubling down on the idiocy.  I hope Apple sues them all over again.

You don't think they designed those phones/tablets after they lost on court. I know Asians are in general efficient hard working people, but designing (or even "designing"), prototyping and producing phone in less than a week would be a real achievement!

Much as I can see, front of the phone is very much alike Galaxy S3 (which I didn't find that much like iPhone 4/4s), while rear is reasonably unique:



Now... I didn't really spend too much time figuring out what is Samsung found to infringe and what not, but my general understanding is, it is more about software patents (like rubber-banding etc) than about looks. If this is correct, unless they try to implement their TouchWiz instead of WP8 home screen, they should be reasonably safe - I'm pretty sure MS and Apple have GUI elements sorted between them.
post #82 of 100
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Originally Posted by mrstep View Post

Cars don't all look the same, cereal boxes don't look the same - despite all being box shaped!, receivers and amps don't all look the same, speakers don't all look the same, computers (when not blatantly copying the MacBook/Air) don't all look the same, remote controls, books, magazines, glasses (drinking and vision-correcting), etc... - yet those all perform similar-to-the-same functions within their respective categories.

Phones will only all look the same if they all copy Apple. You could make a phone that is flat, has no buttons, and there's no reason it has to come out looking indistinguishable from an iPhone unless you're just trying to capitalize on Apple's design work and reputation. There's no other reason.  Clearly the jury came to the same conclusion.  And Samsung's 'suit man' is no visionary leading the industry to new product types and better designs, he looks more like a clone himself. Shocking.

(And I'm not saying Samsung's mobile division isn't talented. Being really good at copying other people's work is a talent too!)

Yeah, but... phone has some limitations which cereal boxes don't.

Like, colour of the screen (which takes most of the front) is defined by technology used to make it - when phone is off, screen cannot be purple or orange, or have a picture of Piglet on it. Something cereals don't have a problem with.

If you decide to make phone body of aluminium, it is likely to have, well, aluminium colour. Sure you can paint aluminium, but one of major points in having it is actually to have look and feel of aluminium - something that paint would spoil. Likewise, stainless steel.

Dunno. I'm still a bit undecided about whole look thing, when it comes to phones at least.
post #83 of 100
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Originally Posted by tooltalk View Post

 

I don't think Samsung is trying to ban Apple's products, as Apple is doing now.  Samsung will probably ask for a high rate, though a rate far fair, reasonable than Apple's rate, to force Apple to cross-license. 

 

There is really nothing set in stone about "fair" or "reasonable" price.  If Apple can charge $25 per low-end Android device (20%) for their utility patents, I don't see why Samsung can't charge Apple 10% or 15% for all eight.

 

Samsung want people to walk into stores and have choices...

 

...Galaxy X, Galaxy Y, Galaxy Z, feel free to choose any Samsung phone you want.

 

Apple is still in the way of this ambition, but they've been there before. (...every desktop...)

 

They have pretty much shown that they will use any means to accomplish this, IP theft, standards essential patent abuse, misleading press statements, disrespect for the judiciary, paid bloggers and anything else they can scheme up.

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post #84 of 100
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Much as I can see, front of the phone is very much alike Galaxy S3 (which I didn't find that much like iPhone 4/4s), while rear is reasonably unique:

 

Nope, it looks like they have gone back to having the equal bezel width at the top and bottom of the phone which forms part of Apple's design patent, the S III varied that by having the top and bottom bezels with different widths.

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post #85 of 100
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Originally Posted by Eluard View Post

One thing I'm a little disgusted by is the lack of support that Apple has received from other companies in the U.S.and Europe. Samsung is just as much a threat to the business of Microsoft and Nokia as they are to Apple, and a word of support would go a long way to break the Android fud that the problem here is Apple and their selfish idea that they should protect their innovation in the marketplace.

When evil is being done one has to look hard at those who are turning the other way.

Nokia, maybe. But MS? As long as they are doing Windows phones, MS loves OEMs. In fact, Samsung is one of their 5 strategic partners in whole Windows 8 phone/tablet launch. I can't see anyone happier than MS if this pushes Samsung into MS exclusive deal. Some MS execs already poked at that in their tweets, after jury came out with their decision.
post #86 of 100
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Originally Posted by carmelapple View Post

Now only one company can make iPhones. It's not only not fair, but it's also very discriminatory. Too bad. I really liked the Galaxy iPhone. 

 

LOL. Psystar also tried to sue Apple over the Macintosh "monopoly" claiming that tying Mac OS X to the Mac hardware discriminated against non-Apple hardware.

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post #87 of 100
OMG, this forum software sucks on the iPad. I just wrote 5 pages paper equivalent, an hour of my time to educate my forum brothers and sister son legal issues ( with assistance from two lawyers, one from the dept of justice) and then the forum crashes safari on my iPad, which sucks to write on this forum anyway. Ded or anyone can recover my last hour of writing?

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post #88 of 100
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based on the Atkinson Cycle engine which is a US patent.

 

Atkinson was British, i.e. European as was Clerk, Day, Lenoir (Belgian), Rochas (French), Otto, Wankel and Diesel (German). All of the main internal combustion engine inventions were... European origin, not U.S even if the Atkinson patent was issued in the U.S. Also the first car was European - Germany etc. etc.

 

To say Asians aren't innovativel: Gunpowder, Paper, compass etc. from days gone by. In modern times if you look at advancements in for example display technology or camera technology, it's mostly - Asian. Germans still make great lenses, but all the greatcameras are made in Asia with the exception of some medium and large format cameras like Hasselblad (Swedish).


Edited by jahonen - 8/31/12 at 5:13am
post #89 of 100
Android is dying in the hand of samsung.You wont see android s iv ,it will be tizen os.Even google is screaming loud.Sammy now use googles premium fake to users.Because sammy don,t want to pay microsoft on cross licence patent.and other players will do the same.Android going live only with google/moto housing.
post #90 of 100

lol @ Samsung thrashing and crybaby response. They should just move on instead of continuing to make an ass of themselves.

post #91 of 100
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Originally Posted by Selva Raj View Post

Android is dying in the hand of samsung.You wont see android s iv ,it will be tizen os.Even google is screaming loud.Sammy now use googles premium fake to users.Because sammy don,t want to pay microsoft on cross licence patent.and other players will do the same.Android going live only with google/moto housing.

 

Yes but where is it? Promised for early 2012 and there is no sign of it — and if Samsung are steering it then they will be trying to get it as close to iOS as they possibly can, so we can just anticipate more trouble, and more patent/trade dress infringement.

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post #92 of 100

Is LTE a FRAND patent? If so how does Samsung plan to win this one?

 

 

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I'm surprised that nobody has pointed oit that 'Ativ is "Vita" spelled backward'.

 

LoL, Samsung really can't come up with anything.

 

 

Samsung 1: We need a new name for our new W8 phone, let's call it Vita

 

Samsung 2: That would sound too much like Playstation Vita

 

Samsung 1: You're right, lets spell it backwards

 

Samsung 2: Brilliant!

 

 

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Samsung is hilarious with this nonsense… Here is a company with $14B in the bank threatening another company with 10 TIMES as much money in the bank. I hate Asian companies, I really do. They don't have any creativity - look at all of them, they just copy what they see. The Prius is the only innovative thing to come out of southeast Asia in recent memory, and even that is based on the Atkinson Cycle engine which is a US patent.

 

If the world were a human body, the US would be the brain and Asia would be the hands… sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.

 

Ummm, Southeast Asia would be countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Burma, Philippines, Indonesia. I can't think of anything those countries contributed to technology at the moment.

 

China, Japan and Korea is East Asia. I think it's unfair and ignorant to say East Asians did not invent anything. Off the top of my head China invented many ancient things like compass, gunpowder and paper the Japanese invented many modern technologies like the Dry Battery, Massage Chair, Excavators, Video Games, Flat Panel Display, the Floppy Disk, Digital SLR camera, Compact Disc, Pocket Calculator, Walkman, CD Player, etc.

 

And the Koreans invented.......errrr


Edited by kikkO - 8/31/12 at 4:44pm
post #93 of 100
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OMG, this forum software sucks on the iPad. I just wrote 5 pages paper equivalent, an hour of my time to educate my forum brothers and sister son legal issues ( with assistance from two lawyers, one from the dept of justice) and then the forum crashes safari on my iPad, which sucks to write on this forum anyway. Ded or anyone can recover my last hour of writing?

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post #94 of 100
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Originally Posted by Eluard View Post

One thing I'm a little disgusted by is the lack of support that Apple has received from other companies in the U.S.and Europe. Samsung is just as much a threat to the business of Microsoft and Nokia as they are to Apple, and a word of support would go a long way to break the Android fud that the problem here is Apple and their selfish idea that they should protect their innovation in the marketplace.

 

When evil is being done one has to look hard at those who are turning the other way.

Which one is the evil empire again? The $600 billion company or the $190 billion company or the $220 billion company?

It's baffling that people can root so hard for a company that is the richest in the world but hate rich people in their own country.

So much hate going around but none for the richest of them all. The irony...

post #95 of 100
Originally Posted by eric475 View Post

So much hate going around but none for the richest of them all. The irony...


So hate people and things simply because they're rich. Got it.

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post #96 of 100
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Which one is the evil empire again? The $600 billion company or the $190 billion company or the $220 billion company?

It's baffling that people can root so hard for a company that is the richest in the world but hate rich people in their own country.

So much hate going around but none for the richest of them all. The irony...

 

Geezus! How do you not get this? : it's about theft, theft of intellectual property, theft totalling billions of dollars — deliberate, calculated theft that is completely unashamed and unapologized for. Theft that will keep going until it destroys Apple if it is not stopped. (Though this will take some time, even if Samsung just keep going as they are.)

 

So the innovators get destroyed by the thieves and copyists. That is what is at stake here. 

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post #97 of 100
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This above is Apple's legal argument, that the $10 chip they buy from Intel or Qualcomm is already licensed for SEPs via contracts with Samsung and Moto, respectively. If Apple pays $10 for a chip, and the chipmaker pays the licensor, then, the licensor has no right to double dip for license fees.
Samsung and Moto want to revoke those pass-thru licenses, but only in regards to Apple and no other competitor.
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Is that actually what they're claiming?  That Intel and Qualcomm's licenses don't cover system integrators that buy the Intel/Qualcomm chips?

 

If they're trying to make that point in court, they may find themselves countersued by Intel and Qualcomm.  Surely, they wouldn't sign a licensing contract that prohibits them from selling their chips to third parties, and if they were conned or coerced into signing such a contract, they're going to fight hard against any attempt to enforce such terms.

post #98 of 100
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Originally Posted by tooltalk View Post

 

I don't think Samsung is trying to ban Apple's products, as Apple is doing now.  Samsung will probably ask for a high rate, though a rate far fair, reasonable than Apple's rate, to force Apple to cross-license. 

 

There is really nothing set in stone about "fair" or "reasonable" price.  If Apple can charge $25 per low-end Android device (20%) for their utility patents, I don't see why Samsung can't charge Apple 10% or 15% for all eight.

 

Well you've covered the "F" and "R" of FRAND, now how about the "ND"? "ND" means non-discriminatory, so if they didn't go after every other user of LTE and offered them the same terms (Or close, high volume can get a discount). then they are violating the FRAND license terms. The discovery of all of the "agreed to" terms in court will be delicious.

 

Second, you can't expect a cross license agreement for FRAND patents exchanged for normal utility patents. They are not equal. You can ban products with utility patents, you can't ban products with FRAND patents unless, both parties have stopped negotiation and the FRAND terms have not been violated. Here there is a pretty clear violation of FRAND terms by Samsung.

 

Samsung is about to open pandora's box.

post #99 of 100
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

Samsung is hilarious with this nonsense… Here is a company with $14B in the bank threatening another company with 10 TIMES as much money in the bank. I hate Asian companies, I really do. They don't have any creativity - look at all of them, they just copy what they see. The Prius is the only innovative thing to come out of southeast Asia in recent memory, and even that is based on the Atkinson Cycle engine which is a US patent.

 

If the world were a human body, the US would be the brain and Asia would be the hands… sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.

 

 

 

I was going to go on and write a very detailed rant about how this post is what is wrong with the worst of America....but before wasting all that time and effort, I'm just going to pray to god that he's just a troll.

post #100 of 100
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Originally Posted by ARY48 View Post

 

Samsung is about to open pandora's box.

Yeah, I can hardly wait until Nokia, with their 18.9% of LTE patents decides to go after Samsung for infringing on their patents.

 

If Samsung wins this, they could end up losing - Nokia is struggling and could probably use a payday at Samsung's expense.

 

This is a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face ...

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