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... I'm glad he's dead ...

 

Shame on you majjo, shame on you.

 

You should retract that part, change it if it is miss-phrased, or leave.

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Hi Larry, it's Tim.
Oh, hi Tim, how are you?
I'm great, how are you?
Well I've been better. You know, we really need to talk about things.
Yeah, that's why I'm calling. I just wanted to say a few things about the whole Samsung situation.
Yeah, what is it?
Well I just want to say go **** yourself Larry. Go **** yourself you lying, thieving son of a b***h.
Ok, bye Tim
Goodbye Larry


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He IS dead, get over it.
And, as a shareholder at that time, I AM glad that he wasn't around long enough to risk all of Apple's success on some crusade against a company with similar power, influence, and financial reserves.
I'm sorry some of you fanbois are offended because I don't subscribe to the jobs was the second coming of Jesus circlejerk, but he was a human that made mistakes. I consider his seething hatred of Android one of them.

 

The problem is that your comment was in incredibly poor taste. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. 

 

Now you're just trying to justify it because you've been called out on it and you know it was wrong.  

 

Lame. 

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Originally Posted by GadgetCanada View Post

Tim Cook: "So Larry, officially, I'm here to work out a deal with Google Android"
Larry Page: "That's great Tim! We took a bit of a beating in that court case so this is good news!"
Tim Cook: "You didn't let me finish Larry, shut up. I said officially as in what the public will hear. They will also hear that we couldn't come to an agreement."
Larry Page:
Tim Cook: "It's more just going through the motions Larry. We are actually going to drive all your partners to MS Windows phone 8 because it's different than iOS and it sucks"
Larry Page:
Tim Cook: "Android will eventually fall off the face of the earth because nobody will want to face us in court again. Also you'll be glad to hear that we are dropping iAD because we just can't compete with Google Ads"
Larry Page: "Well I guess that's some good news"
Tim Cook: "Not really Larry, as a service to our iOS safari users who are the largest mobile internet group, we are building in an ad block that will be turned on by default so no more ad revenue for you on iOS which is where you make all your money"
Larry Page:
Tim Cook: "Well I should go. I suppose enough time has passed to appear that I'm trying to work with you. See you Larry."

Wow, that was worth the price of admission right there. Do you write for John Stewart?
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post #46 of 92
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Who wants a Notification Shade? Let's nick it from El Goog!

 

"Let's adapt the drop down menu's we invented in 1983 and we won't use persistent icons in our status bar so we don't infringe on Google's patent application."

 

Sorry but you lose troll, that notification bullshit doesn't fly.

 

 

Claims

1. A computer-implemented user notification method, comprising:

 

displaying, in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface for a mobile device, a notification of a recent alert event for the mobile device, wherein the alert event corresponds to a change in status of an application operating on the mobile device or of an account associated with the mobile device;

 

receiving a selection in the status area by a user of the mobile device; and

 

in response to the receipt of the selection, displaying, in a central zone of the graphical interface, detail regarding a plurality of alert events for the mobile device, wherein at least some of the plurality of alert events correspond to messages received by the mobile device and the detail includes text from the messages.

2. The method of claim 1, wherein the notification is displayed in place of battery and signal elements in a status bar that comprises the status area of the graphical interface.

3. The method of claim 2, wherein the notification comprises text that scrolls across the status bar.

4. The method of claim 3, further comprising removing the text from the status bar after scrolling the text, and displaying in the status bar an icon that visually represents an application corresponding to the alert event.

5. The method of claim 4, further comprising aggregating, in the status bar, a plurality of icons that are each visually representative of one or more recently received alert events.

 

...etc

 

Source

 

Apple's first use of "drop downs"

 

 

 

 
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post #47 of 92
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I mean what ip does google want form Apple. You should take a look a jelly bean. Pinch to zoom, tap to zoom, slide to unlock, universal search all have been changed in a way that avoids apple patents. Google does not do anything with android until going over apple patents since ics. 

Sounds like you can steal secrets to create a rocket to get to the moon. But once you get there, and don't need a moon rocket anymore, it's all good to modify the design to get to Mars. .
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post #48 of 92
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"Let's adapt the drop down menu's we invented in 1983 and we won't use persistent icons in our status bar so we don't infringe on Google's patent application."

 

Sorry but you lose troll, that notification bullshit doesn't fly.

 

 

That doesn't fly, but I bet you believe that the prior art for bounce-back and pinch-to-zoom as well as pinch-to-expand, as covered in Apple vs. Samsung, does?

 

You either agree that Apple's claims to bounceback and pinch to zoom/expand are invalid, or that the Notification Bar is valid. Which is it?

post #49 of 92
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His approach doesn't work, but the claims are pretty specific.that leaves Apple a lot of leeway to work around the patent.

 

Yeah, in the same way Google worked/is working around Apple's claims, I imagine.

 

I do hope they come to a consensus. These types of battles are really just wasting everyone's time.

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If death was what it took to halt 'nucular devestation' then I'm glad it happened. Simple as that.

You do realize it's not _literally_ nuclear devastation you're talking about right?  But that it is _literally_ the extinguishing of a life you're also talking about?  Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

 
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post #51 of 92
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Originally Posted by Shidell View Post

 

That doesn't fly, but I bet you believe that the prior art for bounce-back and pinch-to-zoom as well as pinch-to-expand, as covered in Apple vs. Samsung, does?

 

You either agree that Apple's claims to bounceback and pinch to zoom/expand are invalid, or that the Notification Bar is valid. Which is it?

 

Apple doesn't use Google's specific methods as outlined in their pending patent application so they aren't infringing in the first place.

 

Your question is irrelevant.

 

Samsung and HTC have both been found to have infringed Apple's patents and have either had to make changes to work around them or are facing damages subject to the appeals process.

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You do realize it's not _literally_ nuclear devastation you're talking about right?  But that it is _literally_ the extinguishing of a life you're also talking about?  Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

 

Sigh.

 

His point is that Steve Jobs was willing to go to any means to fight Android--time, money, resources, etc. That effort detracts from Apple's time spent creating and improving other products.

 

With that in mind, and as a shareholder, majjo was more interested in developing and improving products, not battling Android, and so in that sense, he's saying that he's glad Steve Jobs died, because now that he's gone, there is no longer an insane drive to battle Android rather than focus on improving.

 

Is that really so hard to understand?

post #53 of 92
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

 

Apple doesn't use Google's specific methods as outlined in their pending patent application so they aren't infringing in the first place.

 

Your question is irrelevant.

 

Samsung and HTC have both been found to have infringed Apple's patents and have either had to make changes to work around them or are facing damages subject to the appeals process.

 

Look at you, dismissing everything that's convenient. Prior art, schmior art!

post #54 of 92
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Originally Posted by Shidell View Post

 

Sigh.

 

His point is that Steve Jobs was willing to go to any means to fight Android--time, money, resources, etc. That effort detracts from Apple's time spent creating and improving other products.

 

With that in mind, and as a shareholder, majjo was more interested in developing and improving products, not battling Android, and so in that sense, he's saying that he's glad Steve Jobs died, because now that he's gone, there is no longer an insane drive to battle Android rather than focus on improving.

 

Is that really so hard to understand?

 

Wrong.

 

Maybe in the befuddled mind of a Google acolyte.

 

Jobs had no issue with Android as such.

 

Jobs did have an issue with those parts of Android he believed were stolen.

 

So far a few courts have backed this sentiment up.

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post #55 of 92
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Sigh.

 

His point is that Steve Jobs was willing to go to any means to fight Android--time, money, resources, etc. That effort detracts from Apple's time spent creating and improving other products.

 

With that in mind, and as a shareholder, majjo was more interested in developing and improving products, not battling Android, and so in that sense, he's saying that he's glad Steve Jobs died, because now that he's gone, there is no longer an insane drive to battle Android rather than focus on improving.

 

Is that really so hard to understand?

Uh, sure.  To be a shareholder who is concerned about the direction of a company is one thing.  But to be glad about the death of a human being (no matter who it is) is quite another.

 

I'm actually starting to feel quite nauseous at the thought that people are trying to justify the latter behaviour... am I the only one who thinks that the death of a human being is just slightly more important than the value of a stock?  Hope that he gets ousted from his position, kicked out the company, or whatever business repercussions you like.  But to wish death on someone?  Sick indeed.


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post #56 of 92
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Look at you, dismissing everything that's convenient. Prior art, schmior art!

 

Apple adapted their own methods, methods they've been using for thirty years.

 

Whether it's prior art or not it shows that Apple has no need for whatever Google uses in Android as clearly they have their own way of doing this.

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post #57 of 92
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If death was what it took to halt 'nucular devestation' then I'm glad it happened. Simple as that.
Let them be offended.

 

Did you *really* think Jobs meant to spend every last dollar on litigation? Apple's litigation costs are a fraction of fraction of their profit, never mind revenue. 

 

Jobs meant he was *serious*. And Tim is carrying that through. What you're seeing now (Samsung included) *is* "thermonuclear" war on Android. And Apple is spending whatever money it takes. 

 

Good thing you didn't think he meant dropping an actual bomb on Google HQ from a B-2. Though I wouldn't have put it past you. 

 

*rolleyes*

 

It's as if the trolls heading to MacRumors took a wrong turn and got stuck on AI. 

post #58 of 92
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Originally Posted by majjo View Post


He IS dead, get over it.
And, as a shareholder at that time,..

 

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With that in mind, and as a shareholder, majjo was more interested...

 

It seems it is more likely that majjo is a disgruntled EX-shareholder who dumped his stock at the wrong time and is now bitter and resentful over one hell of a missed opportunity.

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post #59 of 92
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Did you *really* think Jobs meant to spend every last dollar on litigation? Apple's litigation costs are a fraction of fraction of their profit, never mind revenue. 

 

Jobs meant he was *serious*. And Tim is carrying that through. What you're seeing now (Samsung included) *is* "thermonuclear" war on Android. And Apple is spending whatever money it takes. 

 

Good thing you didn't think he meant dropping an actual bomb on Google HQ from a B-2. Though I wouldn't have put it past you. 

 

*rolleyes*

 

It's as if the trolls heading to MacRumors took a wrong turn and got stuck on AI. 

 

And you think he meant spending every last penny?

 

He meant being "serious" and expending any "serious" amount of energy and resources would be wasted.

 

Apparently that got past you, though, and so you felt the need to post this.

 

Maybe at MacRumors they'll spell things out a little more clearly for you? I don't know, I don't visit.

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That is not how it is portrayed on sites such as this one. The quote is "Im going to destroy android, because its a stolen product" not parts of android.

 

Why don't you read the quote in my sig.

 

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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post
Why don't you read the quote in my sig.

 

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He's not wrong, though. Jobs wanted Android off the market entirely. He would have preferred that as publicly as possible, with Google stopping all development thereof and issuing an apology. 

But in lieu of that, I'm sure he's fine with what Tim's guiding Apple to do; suing every single Android manufacturer until they're too afraid to use it and the OS itself becomes too expensive to license.

 

A long, slow, arduous, painful, deliciously fulfilling death. As we watch them squirm. But no, Steve probably preferred the quick and easy way.

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Originally Posted by Shidell View Post

 

Sigh.

 

His point is that Steve Jobs was willing to go to any means to fight Android--time, money, resources, etc. That effort detracts from Apple's time spent creating and improving other products.

 

With that in mind, and as a shareholder, majjo was more interested in developing and improving products, not battling Android, and so in that sense, he's saying that he's glad Steve Jobs died, because now that he's gone, there is no longer an insane drive to battle Android rather than focus on improving.

 

Is that really so hard to understand?

Heavy sigh.

 

"I'm glad he's dead <insert ANY context>"

 

Is that so hard to understand?

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Heavy sigh.

 

"I'm glad he's dead <insert ANY context>"

 

Is that so hard to understand?

 

It's not as if members of this site wouldn't say something similar if Andy Rubin died.

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A long, slow, arduous, painful, deliciously fulfilling death. As we watch them squirm.

 

What is your beef with Android (or Google in general) anyway?

 

I know you're a massive Apple fanboy, and as such, I expect you to hate Android. That's the norm. Do you have a reason aside from that to hate them?

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Originally Posted by Shidell View Post
It's not as if members of this site wouldn't say something similar if Andy Rubin died.

 

No, no. Don't spin this around. We're talking about THIS actual problem, not a hypothetical.

 

Anyone that wishes on or expresses happiness upon the death of another has illegitimized his argument and character. Doesn't matter the 'alignment'.


Originally Posted by Shidell View Post
What is your beef with Android (or Google in general) anyway? I know you're a massive Apple fanboy, and as such, I expect you to hate Android. That's the norm. Do you have a reason aside from that to hate them?

 

At least you've expressed up front that you'll ignore whatever argument I write in response. That's progress.


Originally Posted by majjo View Post
In order for apple to win, Microsoft doesn't have to lose? The same applies here; just replace Ms with Google.
 

You realize he said that after about fifteen years of the industry stagnating and having been destroyed by copying, right? You realize that Google coming onto the scene doing the exact same thing that Microsoft did to Steve 25 years before isn't the same thing in the slightest, right? 

 

You realize this, yes? And yet you still want to say that instead of something that makes sense there?

 

So I don't see android as that big a threat against the iPhone.

 

Right… 

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A long, slow, arduous, painful, deliciously fulfilling death. As we watch them squirm. But no, Steve probably preferred the quick and easy way.

 

Reminds me of a quote from one of our ex-Prime Ministers, Paul Keating:-

 

Hewson: I ask the Prime Minister: if you are so confident about your view of Fightback, why will you not call an early election?
Keating: The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm out of this load of rubbish over a number of months. There will be no easy execution for you. You have perpetrated one of the great mischiefs on the Australian public with this thing, trying to rip away our social wage, trying to rip away the Australian values which we built in our society for over a century.

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Tim Cook: "So Larry, officially, I'm here to work out a deal with Google Android"

Larry Page: "That's great Tim! We took a bit of a beating in that court case so this is good news!"

Tim Cook: "You didn't let me finish Larry, shut up. I said officially as in what the public will hear. They will also hear that we couldn't come to an agreement."

Larry Page: <blink> <blink>

Tim Cook: "It's more just going through the motions Larry. We are actually going to drive all your partners to MS Windows phone 8 because it's different than iOS and it sucks"

Larry Page: <blink> <blink>

Tim Cook: "Android will eventually fall off the face of the earth because nobody will want to face us in court again. Also you'll be glad to hear that we are dropping iAD because we just can't compete with Google Ads"

Larry Page: "Well I guess that's some good news"

Tim Cook: "Not really Larry, as a service to our iOS safari users who are the largest mobile internet group, we are building in an ad block that will be turned on by default so no more ad revenue for you on iOS which is where you make all your money"

Larry Page: <lump emerges at back of pants>

Tim Cook: "Well I should go. I suppose enough time has passed to appear that I'm trying to work with you. See you Larry."


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Originally Posted by majjo View Post
Even while Samsung was selling the galaxy s, the android phone that was the closest to a direct copy of the iPhone, apple was still having blowout qtr after blowout qtr. Even with the 'copycats' on the market, iOS showed top retention rates.

 

Doesn't matter in the slightest. Apple has all the right in the world to tear apart thieves of intellectual property.

 

All the litigation apple did against Samsung, and with the exception of the CA case hasn't amounted to much.

 

Of course it hasn't. Of course.

 

…ordered Apple to issue an apology to Samsung.

 

Not past tense yet. Perhaps not even present tense ever.


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Great post!

 

I loved it, too. The only problem is that the EU would sue Apple for monopolistic behavior for that last line. I still want Apple to do it, but that's what would happen.

 

Apple really should just have Safari refuse all cookies from all Google properties (so no ads would ever get cookies) and manage any passwords you need for Google on its own. 

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Samsung is just a component manufacturing company. If Google and MS refuse to give OS to Samsung, they will not be able to sell a single phone in the market. THat would be really funny.

Koreans just know how to assemble parts. They will not be able to make a decent OS in the next 50 years.
 

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Samsung is just a component manufacturing company. If Google and MS refuse to give OS to Samsung, they will not be able to sell a single phone in the market. THat would be really funny.

Koreans just know how to assemble parts. They will not be able to make a decent OS in the next 50 years.
 

 

They have Bada and could use Brew, there are alternatives.

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They have Bada and could use Brew, there are alternatives.

if you think Stock Android is somehow a rip-off of iOS despite the blatant differences then you'd definitely feel the same about Bada
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That would be the best outcome.
Talented as jobs was at CEO, I'm glad he's dead as his thermonuclear war against android was unrealistic. Hopefully cook is a lot more level headed in dealing with such issues.
You are "glad he's dead"..... very sub human of you.
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You are "glad he's dead"..... very sub human of you.

Do you really not know what he means by that statement?

Or are you offended over semantics?
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post
Do you really not know what he means by that statement?

 

Do you really think that any context or pretense for saying that is acceptable?

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Do you really think that any context or pretense for saying that is acceptable?

 

Does it matter? Whether you want to accept it or not, members of this site will be "glad" when Andy Rubin is gone too.

 

It's the nature of fanboyism.

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Originally Posted by Shidell View Post
Does it matter? Whether you want to accept it or not, members of this site will be "glad" when Andy Rubin is gone too.

 

The difference is we don't have to accept anything we don't want to here. We don't accept spam, so it's expunged, you see.

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If this goes anywhere, it'll end in a cross-licensing deal with no royalties paid either way--and that would be ultimately what a fan of iOS or Android would want.

Really? You mean the ultimate reward for a stolen product is... legitimacy through cross licensing deals? Why would a fan of iOS want that? (not that it's all being done for their benefit)

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They have Bada and could use Brew, there are alternatives.

Have you ever tried Bada? I for one have not but you seem to be sure it's a better alternative or at least a non infringing one. It doesn't look much different from Android.
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Samsung is just a component manufacturing company. If Google and MS refuse to give OS to Samsung, they will not be able to sell a single phone in the market. THat would be really funny.

Koreans just know how to assemble parts. They will not be able to make a decent OS in the next 50 years.
 

 

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They have Bada and could use Brew, there are alternatives.

 

So what relevance does your post have to my response to the original post?

 

You seem to be attributing a strange power of things not existing based on how you think I feel about them.

 

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if you think Stock Android is somehow a rip-off of iOS despite the blatant differences then you'd definitely feel the same about Bada
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Have you ever tried Bada? I for one have not but you seem to be sure it's a better alternative or at least a non infringing one. It doesn't look much different from Android.

 

I did not offer an opinion on whether it's better or non-infringing, I merely pointed out that alternatives exist and that, in spite of what the post I was replying to was saying, Samsung has options besides Android and Mobile Windows Windows Mobile Metro Tango Mango (whatever the f**k they want to call it).

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