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Pictures claiming to show Apple's next iPhone continue to surface ahead of an expected Sept. 12 announcement, with a new series of shots showing side-by-side comparisons with the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.

The latest batch of pictures of the handset commonly referred to as the "iPhone 5" were published on Friday by Nowhereelse.fr, and once again show a new design with a slightly taller display that has been seen repeatedly in other leaks. In this series of photos, the alleged new iPhone is shown next to an iPhone 3GS, and an iPhone 4, offering a better look at how the new design will be different.

The "iPhone 5" case appears noticeably thinner than the iPhone 3GS, and even thinner than the iPhone 4.

The images again show a SIM card slot on the right side of the device, with volume buttons on the left along with a mute switch. Not included in Friday's latest shots is another picture of the bottom of the device, but one shot showing the rear casing of the handset from the inside with various parts shows the smaller dock connector and moved headphone jack.

The pictures also show a new hole between the camera lens and LED flash. The mysterious addition has also been seen on leaked components claimed to be from Apple's "iPad mini" and next-generation iPod touch.

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The latest images come just a day after a series of high-quality images claimed to show the front assembly for the next iPhone, and compared the part to Apple's current-generation iPhone 4S. Also on Thursday, a very blurry picture purported to show a processor labeled "A6" on the next iPhone's logic board, though the quality of the image made its legitimacy questionable.

Apple is expected to hold a media event on Sept. 12 to unveil its next-generation iPhone with a slightly taller 4-inch display. It's anticipated that the device will become available just over a week later, on Sept. 21.

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Some concerns arose this week that availability of the new iPhone at launch could be constrained. The Wall Street Journal reported earlier Friday that Apple's LCD manufacturing partner Sharp has hit delays and not yet begun shipping screens for the new iPhone. However, it was said that Japan Display Co. and LG Display Co. are already shipping screens for the next iPhone.
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'in the hand' this is going to be a much better experience than seeing a crappy photo. Hold your prejudice, boys and girls.
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It's growing on me. Just hope it's lighter than IP4 (I carry phone in pocket).
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Notice that this rumored iPhnoe 5 is so much narrower than the 3GS...

Interesting, you know the theory going around was that Apple couldn't make a 3:2 aspect screen because it would sacrifice your thumb reach range and make the device too wide.  Well, if this device is legit, obviously they could have made a 4" 3:2 aspect screen based on what I see here.  The 3GS didn't have thumb reach issues.

 

You know, even though the 3GS was so much thicker, I still prefer the shape for ergonomics.  I remember when Jobs presented the design, he was so excited about mentioning how wonderful it was the hold the 3GS, how well it fit in your hand.  Never said that about the iP4, just praised it more like an object, a marvel of engineering and design.  Which it is a pretty phone, but not that comfortable to hold.  I know they love to go thinner for thinner-sake, but i could care less.

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Er... hold on...

 

A powder-blue and gold edged iPhone 4?

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Er... hold on...

 

A powder-blue and gold edged iPhone 4?

 

Obviously Non-OEM parts there although they could have coated the band with a vacuum chamber and some chemicals. I know someone here that replaced his own screen on his black iPhone 4 and wanted to be different so he stuck a white display assembly on it. He has a zebra iPhone now.

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I think this comparison needs to be made with the screens on

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My hope that all the rumors were all wrong and the screen will be bigger all round instead of just taller dies a bit every day. It pretty much dead now... A taller screen was/is a stupid idea. No idea why they went with it
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Er... hold on...

A powder-blue and gold edged iPhone 4?

I was thinking the same thing. Makes the photos seem less legitimate. Though adding some colour wouldn't be a bad idea....
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Looks absolutely awesome to me. Not sure what there is to complain about.

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Notice that this rumored iPhnoe 5 is so much narrower than the 3GS...
Interesting, you know the theory going around was that Apple couldn't make a 3:2 aspect screen because it would sacrifice your thumb reach range and make the device too wide.  Well, if this device is legit, obviously they could have made a 4" 3:2 aspect screen based on what I see here.  The 3GS didn't have thumb reach issues.

How did you come to that conclusion without seeing a 4" 3:2 device and seeing how the average thumb sweep would affect it? The only 3:2 display are 3.5".

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My hope that all the rumors were all wrong and the screen will be bigger all round instead of just taller dies a bit every day. It pretty much dead now... A taller screen was/is a stupid idea. No idea why they went with it

Care to elaborate why a significantly wider device isn't an issue for placing in a pocket or using one-handed when the thumb pivots from the side in a natural position?

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I was thinking the same thing. Makes the photos seem less legitimate. Though adding some colour wouldn't be a bad idea....

 

I want to see a (PRODUCT) RED iPhone.

 

The black screen and a red body... that'd look awesome.

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My hope that all the rumors were all wrong and the screen will be bigger all round instead of just taller dies a bit every day. It pretty much dead now... A taller screen was/is a stupid idea. No idea why they went with it

Because its not a stupid idea at all, it looks amazing, and will improve every aspect of using the iPhone.

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I was thinking the same thing. Makes the photos seem less legitimate. Though adding some colour wouldn't be a bad idea....

It's a very ugly mod but to me that makes it even more legitimate because it screams access by someone from China who has intimate knowledge of iPhone assembly, or at least knows people that do.

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Care to elaborate why a significantly wider device isn't an issue for placing in a pocket or using one-handed when the thumb pivots from the side in a natural position?


I guess the question could be turned around and asked as such. Why are millions of android phones (more sold that iPhones) with a wider screen not a major issue for those millions of people?

 

Now clearly there are levels. A huge 5" screen is ridiculous, but a slightly wider and taller screen would not have been a bad thing IMO.  People are starting to favor more screen space over the smaller phone profile.  Sales of the larger Android phones bring strong evidence for that position.

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Er... hold on...

 

A powder-blue and gold edged iPhone 4?


I'm diggin' it.

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I guess the question could be turned around and asked as such. Why are millions of android phones (more sold that iPhones) with a wider screen not a major issue for those millions of people?

Now clearly there are levels. A huge 5" screen is ridiculous, but a slightly wider and taller screen would not have been a bad thing IMO.  People are starting to favor more screen space over the smaller phone profile.  Sales of the larger Android phones bring strong evidence for that position.

1) I haven't seen any evidence that this Android-based devices with considerably larger screens than the iPhone are outselling the iPhone. The only evidence we have are questionable stats from Google execs about activations. If you look at most Android-based devices on the market most are much smaller than the iPhone and most don't seem to be used as anything more than a feature phone, not an app phone.

2) It's clear Apple is making the transition simple for developers which will carry over to the users by only affecting the display along one plane. If they make a 4" display that is still 3:2 you do know you have a much wider device than you would any 4" 16:9 device, right? Are you suggesting they increase the pixel size, which screws with all the effort they put into investing into those 326 PPI displays and the size of elements of the display, or do you propose they increase the resolution in both directions which has many other complexities for a window-less OS?

edit: 4" at 3:2 is 2.22" wide. 5" at 16:9 is 2.45" wide. Not much wider. Can you see how the aspect ratio plays a role here? So what we are getting is an iPhone with a larger display that will be an easy transition for devs and users, and only gets a little taller despite the extra length of the display.

3) Why do you think a 5" is ridiculous but not something that <5"? Why do you draw the line there? What is the magic number? Why aren't you considering other aspects like aspect ratio, thickness, bezel and other things that affect the usability for the average hand of Homo sapiens sapiens.
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I want to see a (PRODUCT) RED iPhone.

 

The black screen and a red body... that'd look awesome.

 

Red is a tricky color to work with...

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Hi. New to the forum although I have been reading for years. Another comment similar to the blue comment on the iphone 4 above, was the iphone3Gs ever available in white? I thought that white was not made available till the 4.
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Care to elaborate why a significantly wider device isn't an issue for placing in a pocket or using one-handed when the thumb pivots from the side in a natural position?

Placed a Samsung Galaxy S3 in one pocket and an iphone 4 in another. Guess which one was less noticeable and easier to get in and out. Hint, it wasn't the Apple. So some extra width really isn't a big deal. I too wish Apple had gone a tad wider.
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Hi. New to the forum although I have been reading for years. Another comment similar to the blue comment on the iphone 4 above, was the iphone3Gs ever available in white? I thought that white was not made available till the 4.

The first white iPhone launched in July 2008. It was only available in the higher capacity 16GB model along with black, whilst the black model was only available as 8GB. This carried over to the 3GS as well.

It seems this has been wiped from our collective memories but the iPhone 4 was promised in white during its announcement but then just a couple weeks before it was to be launched Apple removed it from their website without any word as to why. The popular rumours were the thickness of the white paint, the whiteness of it, how well that whiteness held up over months of use and exposer to the sun, and light bleeding around the camera lens (I guess from the flash).

So while the original iPhone 4 was released in June 2010 and the CDMA iPhone 4 released in February 2011 it wasn't until April 2011 that the white iPhone was finally released. I recall a lot of people that had waited for white and then by the end of April when it launched figured they might as well wait a month for the 5th gen iPhone before buying even though Apple hadn't even demoed and distributed the first iOS 5 beta to devs which was a clear indication the launch was probably not going to be in mid-Summer like previous releases.

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I want to see a (PRODUCT) RED iPhone.

 

The black screen and a red body... that'd look awesome.

 

Product red is cool and all but almost the only thing tackier than black and red together would be leopard print.  

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You know, even though the 3GS was so much thicker, I still prefer the shape for ergonomics.  I remember when Jobs presented the design, he was so excited about mentioning how wonderful it was the hold the 3GS, how well it fit in your hand.  Never said that about the iP4, just praised it more like an object, a marvel of engineering and design.  Which it is a pretty phone, but not that comfortable to hold.  I know they love to go thinner for thinner-sake, but i could care less.

 

I do NOT like the "ergonomic" shape of the 3GS - or the iPod Touch. 

 

While it may be marginally more comfortable to hold in your bare hand with no case - it is needlessly more difficult to perform operations such as plugging in the charging cable and pressing the buttons on the side due to the curved shape of the side - far more difficult to take a picture using the volume up button thanks to the curved shape - and IMPOSSIBLE to stand up on its own on a surface to use for video calls or stop motion video capture etc (not that it is always easy to find a surface at the right height for best effect but still). 

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Hi. New to the forum although I have been reading for years. Another comment similar to the blue comment on the iphone 4 above, was the iphone3Gs ever available in white? I thought that white was not made available till the 4.

 

The 3G and the 3Gs were always available in white or black.  It was the iPhone 4 that wasn't available in white until almost the time the 4s debuted.  

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You're 100% correct.  Thanks, it all started coming back to me as I read your post.

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I do NOT like the "ergonomic" shape of the 3GS - or the iPod Touch. 

While it may be marginally more comfortable to hold in your bare hand with no case - it is needlessly more difficult to perform operations such as plugging in the charging cable and pressing the buttons on the side due to the curved shape of the side - far more difficult to take a picture using the volume up button thanks to the curved shape - and IMPOSSIBLE to stand up on its own on a surface to use for video calls or stop motion video capture etc (not that it is always easy to find a surface at the right height for best effect but still). 


And if going back to the curved casing means that you lose the space savings and power of the external antennas then I say it's not a worthwhile tradeoff.


PS: Remember when people complained about the original iPhone being stupid and pointless (now it was obvious when it comes to Samsung's lawsuits), and then the next two generations were cheap plastic, and then the next two models were foolishly made of glass.

PPS: Oh yeah, people said the original iPhone was stupid for having a glass front screen. That the only reason Apple made it glass was so that you'd break it and have to buy another one. Where are those people today?

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...was the iphone3Gs ever available in white? I thought that white was not made available till the 4.


Welcome. You can Google pics "iPhone 3gs white" thus empowering yourself.

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The first white iPhone launched in July 2008. It was only available in the higher capacity 16GB model along with black, whilst the black model was only available as 8GB. This carried over to the 3GS as well.

 

I'm not sure about the 3G, but the 3GS was certainly available in white (and black) in both 8 & 16GB. But it does seem to be the issues with white glass and the IP4 that are seared into everyone's consciousness.

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How did you come to that conclusion without seeing a 4" 3:2 device and seeing how the average thumb sweep would affect it? The only 3:2 display are 3.5".

I carefully scaled the image from this post in AutoCAD with known dimensions of the iPhone 3GS, then made some educated assumptions about bezel. (See image)

Of course I had to make some kinds of assumptions about the bezel on the 3:2 device but it was based on the screen size of the 16:9 and the carefully scaled image of the two devices side-by-side.

In this comparison, yes, it would be a tad bigger than the 3GS but only by about 2.5mm.

I also had to make an assumption that the thumb sweep is measured from the bottom-right corner, just based on how I hold my own phone sort-of cupped in my palm.  Either way, you're adding about 10mm to the reach range by going to a larger screen.


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Looks absolutely awesome to me. Not sure what there is to complain about.

I like how the angled corner catches the light. I'm beginning to wonder if at least some of these hardware photos are of the Goophone i5 though instead of the iPhone.



Goophone is a Chinese company that makes iPhone knock-offs. They already made an Iphone 4/4S knock-off (the Y5):



They haven't changed the screen size on the new Goophone though (according to their site) so the 16:9 screen could be an authentic Apple model. Makes you wonder why Goophone wouldn't copy the screen size though if they are trying to copy it.

I think it looks nice and I hope it turns out to be the real deal at least in the size. I'd still prefer a full metal back as I haven't seen a nice looking shot of the white model but they might have signal issues and they don't want that to happen again. Note to car manufacturers: start making more black models.
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I guess the question could be turned around and asked as such. Why are millions of android phones (more sold that iPhones) with a wider screen not a major issue for those millions of people?

 

Now clearly there are levels. A huge 5" screen is ridiculous, but a slightly wider and taller screen would not have been a bad thing IMO.  People are starting to favor more screen space over the smaller phone profile.  Sales of the larger Android phones bring strong evidence for that position.

 

In my opinion, it's not about screen size but screen to case ratio. The next iPhone is a little improvement in this department but falls far short compared to some of the Android phones.

I would very much prefer if the case length stayed the same but screen got larger with the bezels squeezed or even eliminated.

Unfortunately because LCD screen is thicker than AMOLED, Apple is probably not able to put the back camera behind the screen, thus we will see that fat ugly bezels stay for another couple of years.

But I am willing to bet that in 2 years they will be finally gone along with the sticky Home button. 

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Notice that this rumored iPhnoe 5 is so much narrower than the 3GS...

Interesting, you know the theory going around was that Apple couldn't make a 3:2 aspect screen because it would sacrifice your thumb reach range and make the device too wide.  Well, if this device is legit, obviously they could have made a 4" 3:2 aspect screen based on what I see here.  The 3GS didn't have thumb reach issues.

 

You know, even though the 3GS was so much thicker, I still prefer the shape for ergonomics.  I remember when Jobs presented the design, he was so excited about mentioning how wonderful it was the hold the 3GS, how well it fit in your hand.  Never said that about the iP4, just praised it more like an object, a marvel of engineering and design.  Which it is a pretty phone, but not that comfortable to hold.  I know they love to go thinner for thinner-sake, but i could care less.

The 3GS is only 3.5mm wider than the 4S. That small amount of width difference for the display wouldn't have allowed for even the .5 inch jump in display size the all-but-certain next gen iPhone makes. If both length and width of the display kept the same ratio, both length and width would have to be expanded equally. I admit to not being a mathematical genius, but considering the 16:9 next gen display is about 15mm longer than the current gen display, I believe the length and width a 4-inch 3:2 display would need to increase by about 7.5mm (15mm/2), more than double the difference between the 3GS and the 4S. I won't argue what width a perfect phone should have because that's different for each person. I'm just trying to convey that the dimensions of the 3GS, in and of themselves, don't prove a wider phone with a wider screen of those dimensions would've been feasible for a 3:2 display size increase.

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My hope that all the rumors were all wrong and the screen will be bigger all round instead of just taller dies a bit every day. It pretty much dead now... A taller screen was/is a stupid idea. No idea why they went with it

Most top-tier phones have 16:9 aspect ratios, Apple is following suit and increasing display size at the same time. Honestly it's the best of both worlds. Video for the most part is becoming a 16:9 affair and the new display aspect ratio will be more fully utilized for such. In portrait, lists and menus will have more room to display vertically. But no one can really argue what is the best aspect ratio other than to say a larger screen with the same PPI is a better screen (within reason of course).

 

I have no idea why you have no idea why that isn't a good idea.

 

Could you give examples where a 16:9 display is at a disadvantage instead of making a blanket statement that it's a bad idea?

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Someone needs to tell these Chinese rumor leakers a couple of things. 

 

1) There was never an iPhone "3" - that would've been the 3GS - 3rd Generation

2) The iPhone "5" is the 4S - 5th Generation iPhone

3) Apple will be dropping the suffix from the iPhone name - the next iPhone will NOT be called iPhone 5. If they can't get a clue after the name change on the 3rd Generation iPad, then there's no hope for these idiots. 

 

It was the Chinese leaks last year that got everyone harping on the name iPhone 5 that never came to be. Their dreamed up iPhone 5 will never come, either. Is it really hard to say "next iPhone"?

 

It isn't hard to grasp the naming structure Apple has used for the iPhones. The only one named after its generation was the iPhone 4 - 4th Generation. The other names used were somewhat of significant value to the iPhone's features of the time - 3G for 3G Network capability - 3GS was the same phone, internally updated for Speed (more powerful) - iPhone 4S is the 4, internally updated for Speed (more powerful). 

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Hi. New to the forum although I have been reading for years. Another comment similar to the blue comment on the iphone 4 above, was the iphone3Gs ever available in white? I thought that white was not made available till the 4.

Nope, the first iPhone 3G was made available in White...I waited in line for 8 hours at my local mall on Launch day for it.  Not surprisingly at the time, White was a very unpopular color...at the time.

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Obviously Non-OEM parts there although they could have coated the band with a vacuum chamber and some chemicals.

I doubt Apple would ever do colors. Unless it was some custom order, full price only with the colors costing you an extra $100 or such. But not regular market. Maybe a limited edition (Red) iPhone for just the holidays. Nothing else.
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Product red is cool and all but almost the only thing tackier than black and red together would be leopard print.  

Who says it would be black. It might be white with a red band. Or all red.
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I carefully scaled the image from this post in AutoCAD with known dimensions of the iPhone 3GS, then made some educated assumptions about bezel. (See image)

Of course I had to make some kinds of assumptions about the bezel on the 3:2 device but it was based on the screen size of the 16:9 and the carefully scaled image of the two devices side-by-side.

In this comparison, yes, it would be a tad bigger than the 3GS but only by about 2.5mm.

I also had to make an assumption that the thumb sweep is measured from the bottom-right corner, just based on who I hold my own phone sort-of cupped in my palm.  Either way, you're adding about 10mm to the reach range by going to a larger screen.

I think you may be my hero of the day.

 

Regardless, I still believe Apple went they way they're going because they wanted to transition to a 16:9 aspect ratio, keep original 3:2 apps looking at least decent on the new display without any work needed to be done by the developers (many of whom may have orphaned their apps), and maintain their iconic iPhone look all at the same time.

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But it does seem to be the issues with (fill in anything that a probably tiny percent of folks were affected by) that are seared into everyone's consciousness.

That is more like it
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