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With Apple's iMac lineup due for an upgrade to Intel's Ivy Bridge processors, stock of the larger 27-inch all-in-one desktop has become even more depleted ahead of a possible refresh.

Availability of the 27-inch iMac is now limited at most retailers seen in the AppleInsider pricing guide. In particular, the low-end 2.7-gigahertz model is currently out of stock at Amazon, MacMall, MacConnection, Best Buy, and J&R. For now, the desktop remains in stock at B&H.

Availability of the high-end 3.1-gigahertz model is slightly better. That configuration is currently sold out at Best Buy and J&R, while limited stock is available at Amazon.

A shortage of 27-inch iMacs was also noted on Friday by MacRumors which found that the base-level machine is currently sold out at 120 of Apple's 249 U.S. retail locations, while the high-end configuration is unavailable at 135 retail stores.

While supply of the 27-inch iMac has dwindled, there are no such signs of constrained inventory for the 21.5-inch model. Both Apple's retail stores and authorized resellers show the smaller iMac model to have adequate availability.

Supply of the 27-inch iMac first began to dry up last month, as resellers started to see limited availability of the big-screen desktop. Supply constraints at Mac resellers is often one of the first signs that Apple is drawing down inventory ahead of a product update.

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And the iMac line is due for an update, with the most recent refresh released over a year ago, in early May of 2011. Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in July that he expects Apple to refresh its iMac lineup with Intel's Ivy Bridge processors as soon as September.

Earlier this month, internal configuration files in Mountain Lion were discovered to make apparent references to unreleased new generations of the iMac, as well as the Mac Pro. The new iMac was labeled as (iMac13,0), while the Mac Pro was identified as (MacPro6,0).



In addition, a new 13th-generation iMac identified as "iMac 13,2" has already appeared in Geekbench benchmarks. That machine was seen running Mountain Lion with an Intel Core i7-3770 processor clocked at 3.4-gigahertz with 4 gigabytes of 1600-megahertz DDR3 RAM.
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Does anyone expect this to be a redesign or just a spec bump?  

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It's not a serious health issue, relax. Talk about hyperbole.

 

(EDIT: If it IS a health issue for you, that's a different story. Your post made it seem as if it's a health issue for all, which is unnecessary.)

 

 

And I literally bought a 27-inch Thunderbolt Display yesterday. I knew it was due for a refresh, but I don't seriously expect (nor does anyone else, it seems) a Retina-upgrade in the relatively near future. A 27-inch Retina-quality monitor would be far more expensive than the current $999 price tag, and I don't think manufacturers are ready to pump those out quite yet in the masses needed for both iMacs and Thunderbolt Displays. At most, I would expect upgraded ports, like USB 3.0, maybe an additional TB. It will probably be a quiet update alongside a higher bump in the iMac. So I'm fine with that.

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Originally Posted by allenbf View Post
Does anyone expect this to be a redesign or just a spec bump?  

 

Since it has taken them so long to release something that should have been out months ago, the optimist in me wants to say 'full redesign', but then the pessimist in me comes back from the bathroom and kicks the optimist back into his torture room. 

 

They'll have no optical drives and be slightly thinner. Two Thunderbolt on the 21.5" and maybe three on the 27". That's it.

 

I don't even think retina, but they surprised me last time.

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They'll have no optical drives and be slightly thinner. Two Thunderbolt on the 21.5" and maybe three on the 27". That's it.

 

I don't even think retina, but they surprised me last time.

If they redesign- I agree wholeheartedly.  I would hope they wouldn't make it thinner as it gets crazy hot as it is.  I'd like for them to put a small sdd boot drive in place of the optical and add an extra fan and push air right to left as well as bottom to top.

 

I would be shocked beyond belief if they had retina- I'd bed my house payment against it.

 

Although I, too, hope for a redesign... my gut tells me that won't happen until retina... which means we won't see it until late next year.  Ivy Bridge, updated GPU, and 1666 ram... I think that's all we see (much like the macbook pros).

That said- if the base 27" is as fast or faster than my BTO 27" 2010 i7s- I'll upgrade one of them.

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I'm expecting the optical drive to be removed. I already use an external BD-Rom so not a big deal. I also expect it to have an additional drive bay, and possible RAID options, which would be very nice.

Thunderbolt is a given.

 

I would think the display might receive a PPI bump to something in the 200 range. Possibly a 4096x2304 res, but probably wishful thinking.

 

Mine's 3 years old now, so I doubt I'd upgrade just yet as I bought top of the line back then (Quad i7 @ 2.8Ghz) with 8GB of memory and a TB drive.

 

Will be interested in the refresh that hits this one though, especially if it offers a raid-0 which would allow much faster read/writes even with the older platter drives.

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Since it has taken them so long to release something that should have been out months ago, the optimist in me wants to say 'full redesign', but then the pessimist in me comes back from the bathroom and kicks the optimist back into his torture room. 

 

They'll have no optical drives and be slightly thinner. Two Thunderbolt on the 21.5" and maybe three on the 27". That's it.

 

I don't even think retina, but they surprised me last time.

 

Taking out the optical drive and making it thinner definitely qualifies as a 'full redesign'. Anything that alters the exterior casing is a redesign. And no, there won't be retina display yet. It just is still too much of a technical hit at this point. 

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I hope they don't try to make it thinner. Who cares. You never see the back, and this insane drive to get thinner on devices that it just doesn't matter on concern me for a non-portable desktop, especially when it comes to heat dissipation and heat related performance issues.

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I hope they don't try to make it thinner. Who cares. You never see the back, and this insane drive to get thinner on devices that it just doesn't matter on concern me for a non-portable desktop, especially when it comes to heat dissipation and heat related performance issues.

Agreed. Remove the optical drive though keep it as is. How thin can you possibly make something?
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The long wait is interesting.

 

Currently, I am on an iMac 27" 3.4 with SSD, the current model that  bought last year.  Fantastic machine; it replaced a two-year old MacPro and I have never regretted what many might call a down-grade.  The SSD is likely the key to that.

 

 

The current machine has Thunderbolt and USB 2.  I can see the addition of another TB port and an upgrade to USB 3.  

 

Like the poster above, I burn BluRay to an external drive.  I do, however, still use the internal for music CDs, so I don't see it being completely eliminated.  Base model without OD with an option?  Doesn't sound very Apple to me.  I recall my first iMac way back; Apple took the plunge and got rid of the floppy.  It might be time for them to delete the OD...  They do have the external for the MBA, but the cable is rather short.

 

No optical drive would make it slightly slimmer, perhaps.  But I figure on some newer configuration for the display that will make it thinner.

 

Now that Dictation is built in to the OS, I think the iMac needs a slightly better internal microphone, but I'm not sure.  I use a USB mic with Dragon Dictate.

 

 

 

Base RAM may be increased.

 

Better display.  Retina would be nice.

 

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That said, I think it's about time for a new accessory to make an appearance, like the Mighty Mouse and Scroll Mouse did.  Or a new keyboard.


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Removing the optical drive just to make a DESKTOP, I repeat, a DESKTOP a few mm thinner is insane. They should be making it thicker so they can cram more stuff in there and stop it over heating. The iMac could certainly use a high end GPU, even if it's a BTO option.

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It will probably have USB3, no cd-dvd, bump in speeds and no retina.

 

Why is everyone so obsessed with Retina iMac? Retina works on closely controled walled garden, with applications specifically designed for it. Half of the apps on iPad still don't support retina resolutions and their products show that. Time Inc. are you listening?

 

15' MBP was a great choice to start with introducing retina, because it's a tool of choise for photo community where resolution and clarity matters. Most photographers won't touch iMac with 100ft pole.

 

So, my guess is we will see retina ACD way before we see the iMac. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the first retina wouldn't come in 24' size, instead of 27'.

 

What I hope to see instead is the screen advancements of retina MBP less resolution bump (removing the extra layer of glass to make it less reflective).

 

So, Apple, if you improve the screen, deliver USB3, remove CD rom drive and slim down the chasis (unlike what you've done with mac mini when you removed the cd drive), I'll upgrade. If not, I'll wait and see. My purchase decission clearly have no impact on your stock price.

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post
Taking out the optical drive and making it thinner definitely qualifies as a 'full redesign'. Anything that alters the exterior casing is a redesign.

 

This isn't a full redesign by a long shot. Click to embiggen.


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The iMac could certainly use a high end GPU, even if it's a BTO option.

 

Not when desktop GPUs require twice the power draw to get anything close to an acceptable performance increase over mobile chips.

 

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Retina iMac? Retina works on closely controled walled garden, with applications specifically designed for it. Half of the apps on iPad still don't support retina resolutions and their products show that.

 

Because it's how all future displays will be. Blah blah walled garden. 

 

Most photographers won't touch iMac with 100ft pole.

 

Photographers, care to chime in here?

 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the first retina wouldn't come in 24' size, instead of 27'.

 

Why would they bring back a display they discontinued?

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Removing the optical drive just to make a DESKTOP, I repeat, a DESKTOP a few mm thinner is insane. They should be making it thicker so they can cram more stuff in there and stop it over heating. The iMac could certainly use a high end GPU, even if it's a BTO option.

 

No, it's not insane. iMacs are now commonly set up in living rooms, kitchens, etc and are part of the decor of the room instead of being relegated to the basement in shame as other desktops are. Anything that makes it even take less space, weight, and generally add to the attractiveness of the environment is a good thing. I agree that thinness shoudnt be an absolute priority like their portable machines, but I'm not going to complain if they do make it thinner without compromising other things. Taking out the optical drive should help a lot in that, as it will free up a ton of space. Also, their reason for removing the drive would be primarily because they want to wean everyone off optical media, not because of thinness.  In terms of overheating, I've never had an iMac overheat, so no clue what you're talking about. 

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Since it has taken them so long to release something that should have been out months ago, the optimist in me wants to say 'full redesign', but then the pessimist in me comes back from the bathroom and kicks the optimist back into his torture room. 

 

They'll have no optical drives and be slightly thinner. Two Thunderbolt on the 21.5" and maybe three on the 27". That's it.

 

I don't even think retina, but they surprised me last time.

I think there will be one retina.  If not on the iMac, then the MacPro... but I lean to the iMac 21.5, with SSD as well.

The Pixel count of the 27 pixels 'squeezed' into  the 21.5 is over Retina threshold (which is about 122 DPI, and a 27->21.5 would be 137, 11% 'over' retina threshold... the iPad 3 is 23% 'over' )

 

Given that a 21.5 at that size would use the same graphics as the iMac 27, this would be a developer non issue.  Manufacturing may have an issue, but apple has so many PPIs it must not be much of one.

 

Other ways to do this is to 'double' an existing display as well (MBA 11 and MBA 13 are both 'Retina ready' as either a 22diag or a 27 respectively)

But 27" of Retina is a lot of pixels. ~20MP's worth.   Would be stunning, but I can't see that in the price point the iMac (or a Cinema Display) needs to hit.

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This isn't a full redesign by a long shot. Click to embiggen.

 

 

It's basically a screen with a black bezel. There's not that much room for it to be 'redesigned. Might get a bit sleeker/thinner, which would definitely quality. Doesnt look like they plan to get rid of the aluminum/glass aesthetic anytime soon. Do you not agree that the Retina MBP was a full redesign? The thing was rebuilt from the inside up, yet apart from the thinner is looks pretty much identical. These products have reached a stage in maturity, which includes the iMac. Considering recent updates have been purely spec bumps, yes, removing the drive and modifying the physical enclosure is absolutely a redesign. You can't compare this to a 'box' which has infinitely more flexibility. The only way the iMac can change substantially is thinness. What can you realistically expect from an iMac 'redesign'? Your comparison is Apple to oranges. 

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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post

Would be stunning, but I can't see that in the price point the iMac (or a Cinema Display) needs to hit.

 

So they'll keep the non-retinas around at an even LOWER price. Marvin had some numbers I loved, but I don't remember them. I think he put the non-retina 27" at $1,299. THAT is impressive. The 21.5" would be $1,099, and then education discounts would be kick it to $999.

 

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Do you not agree that the Retina MBP was a full redesign? The thing was rebuilt from the inside up, yet apart from the thinner is looks pretty much identical.

 

I don't. It was a redesign, certainly, and greater in scope than the one I've put up. But it was in no way a 'full' redesign. A full redesign would be "white iMac to aluminum iMac", not "thickness of the G5 iMac to thickness of the Core Duo iMac" or "thickness of the Core Duo iMac to thickness of the Core 2 iMac".

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This isn't a full redesign by a long shot. Click to embiggen.

The slotless Mac mini design is not new. It existed two years ago in the Mac mini server (Mid-2010), side-by-side with the single-HDD Mac minis.

In 2011, Apple just switched to the slotless design which had already been around for an entire year.
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Of course back in 2010, if you wanted a non optical drive model you had to pay $1,000 and you had no SSD option.
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The slotless Mac mini design is not new. It existed two years ago in the Mac mini server (Mid-2010), side-by-side with the single-HDD Mac minis.
In 2011, Apple just switched to the slotless design which had already been around for an entire year.

 

I know, but OS X only has an icon for the latter, not the former (for whatever reason) and my point wasn't compromised by using the new design.

 

Fun fact: the icon for the Retina MacBook Pro doesn't have "MacBook Pro" on the screen bezel… which I'm now just noticing is a reflection of the actual device… why didn't I notice that or hear it before anywhere?

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Taking out the optical drive and making it thinner definitely qualifies as a 'full redesign'. Anything that alters the exterior casing is a redesign. And no, there won't be retina display yet. It just is still too much of a technical hit at this point. 


Perhaps SSD standardized too? Or is that overall for a non-mobile computer?

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15' MBP was a great choice to start with introducing retina, because it's a tool of choise for photo community where resolution and clarity matters. Most photographers won't touch iMac with 100ft pole.

 

 

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Photographers, care to chime in here?

 

 

My wife is a photographer and does phenomenal work... on an iMac.  I, too, am confused why photographers wont touch an iMac?  There are no viewing angle/color changes like a laptop has, and you have 27" to work with full screen.  If you think Photoshop takes a lot of juice to run- you're wrong... its pretty minor.

 

If they chunk the optical and replace it with a 32gb SSD instead- I am so for this it's ridiculous.

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If they redesign- I agree wholeheartedly.  I would hope they wouldn't make it thinner as it gets crazy hot as it is.  I'd like for them to put a small sdd boot drive in place of the optical and add an extra fan and push air right to left as well as bottom to top.
crazy hot is relative. If the iMacs where too hot we would have a constant flow of reports of them overheating. As it is right now only a few seem to have trouble.

As to right to left fans heat rises, if you want to remove it efficiently you don't work against that. On top of that Ivy Bridge, SSDs and a host of other technologies would lower the heat profile. It would not be impossible to actuall see a thinner and cooler iMac.
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I would be shocked beyond belief if they had retina- I'd bed my house payment against it.
Retina would be easier in an iMac assuming a longer viewing distance.
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Although I, too, hope for a redesign... my gut tells me that won't happen until retina... which means we won't see it until late next year.  Ivy Bridge, updated GPU, and 1666 ram... I think that's all we see (much like the macbook pros).
That said- if the base 27" is as fast or faster than my BTO 27" 2010 i7s- I'll upgrade one of them.

It isn't speed that keeps me from upgrading to an iMac. I rather hate it's anti service designs. I wouldn't even consider an iMac unless serviceability was addressed.

That being said we have yet to hear any Mini rumors or even replacements for the Mini. This is a big concern as they need something other than iMac on the desktop.
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It will probably have USB3, no cd-dvd, bump in speeds and no retina.
Everything but the retina makes sense above
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Why is everyone so obsessed with Retina iMac? Retina works on closely controled walled garden, with applications specifically designed for it.
However this makes no sense at all. Retina displays are in no way tied to the walled garden. I really don't see how such a foolish statement could be made in public.
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Half of the apps on iPad still don't support retina resolutions and their products show that. Time Inc. are you listening?
Lack of support doesn't imply anything other than developers can drag ass just as well as Apple can. As for Time magazine have you considered that it is another liberal magazine in failure mode? Sometime apps don't get updated because there is no economic reason to do so.
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15' MBP was a great choice to start with introducing retina, because it's a tool of choise for photo community where resolution and clarity matters. Most photographers won't touch iMac with 100ft pole.
Yeah right.
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So, my guess is we will see retina ACD way before we see the iMac. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the first retina wouldn't come in 24' size, instead of 27'.
The problem with an ACZd is how do you feed it? This would require yet another port upgrade/switch from Apple.
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What I hope to see instead is the screen advancements of retina MBP less resolution bump (removing the extra layer of glass to make it less reflective).

So, Apple, if you improve the screen, deliver USB3, remove CD rom drive and slim down the chasis (unlike what you've done with mac mini when you removed the cd drive), I'll upgrade. If not, I'll wait and see. My purchase decission clearly have no impact on your stock price.

Nor does any other single persons purchase decision. What drives stock prices is mind share, if Apple maintains a buzz and clearly innovates the stock won't have pricing issues.
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Every time I hear about them upgrading the iMac, I am torn.  I have a Late-2009 27" model.  I'm sure a brand new one would be SO cool.  OTOH, the one I have now works damned well, so I'm not sure I could justify getting a new one.

 

So torn.  So torn.

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I would think if they do, they'll just make another drive bay available like they did on the mini. It's an easy change. Removing the optical drive on an iMac doesn't change the thickness profile at all since the 3.5 internal drives are already far thicker than any optical, but it does free up space in that area for a new component.

 

Considering the only major improvement over the 2009 which I also have is the bus speed, I would be more interested in the Disk subsystem getting some perks.

 

Far more interested in this than the retina topic. The resolution on a 27" iMac is already one of the best on the market, and the PPI is decent and the display is a quality one.

Worse case, I wait another year or two for a refresh and by then I'll be ready to update my late 2009 ;)

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I have a "late 2006" model iMac.  I'd be happy with a 27' with updated internals.

 

i don't understand this fetish for being thin [i wouldn't mind losing more than a few pounds]  The iMac sits on a desk/table. Very few people [make that none in 6 years] have ever commented on it's waist size

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Thinner on a phone, iPad, or laptop makes sense. Thinner on an iMac really doesn't.  If they remove optical drives I hope they add least add something to compensate for that loss. 

 

Even though I basically agree with you that thinness on an iMac (and it's not like they're huge now) isn't necessarily a big deal, I do also understand how the aesthetics could be improved with a slightly thinner look.

 

Honestly, I don't care either way, since I can't remember the last time I used the optical drive on my iMac.   

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No, it's not insane. iMacs are now commonly set up in living rooms, kitchens, etc and are part of the decor of the room instead of being relegated to the basement in shame as other desktops are. Anything that makes it even take less space, weight, and generally add to the attractiveness of the environment is a good thing. I agree that thinness shoudnt be an absolute priority like their portable machines, but I'm not going to complain if they do make it thinner without compromising other things. Taking out the optical drive should help a lot in that, as it will free up a ton of space. Also, their reason for removing the drive would be primarily because they want to wean everyone off optical media, not because of thinness.  In terms of overheating, I've never had an iMac overheat, so no clue what you're talking about. 

 

You don't wean people off optical media by removing the drive, you do it by making digital alternatives that are cheaper and better.  Optical is often cheaper, sometimes dramatically so (box sets in particular), so only a fool would want that option removed. Unless of course, you're rich, in which case, bully for you, but don't spoil things for the rest of us.

 

Personally I use the optical drive in my Win 7 desktop often, in fact it's in use this very second to rip a DVD.

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Every time I hear about them upgrading the iMac, I am torn.  I have a Late-2009 27" model.  I'm sure a brand new one would be SO cool.  OTOH, the one I have now works damned well, so I'm not sure I could justify getting a new one.

 

So torn.  So torn.

 

A PC should last at least 5 years. The tech is mature and evolves very slowly now.

 

My desktop is 7 years old. It still works fine, but is feeling a little stale, so I may buy a new system this year.

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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post
You don't wean people off optical media by removing the drive, you do it by making digital alternatives that are cheaper and better. 

 

No, you do it by removing the drive. This has worked for every technology Apple has removed from devices.

 

…only a fool would want that option removed. Unless of course, you're rich, in which case, bully for you, but don't spoil things for the rest of us.

 

Personally I use the optical drive in my Win 7 desktop often, in fact it's in use this very second to rip a DVD.

 

So feel free to continue to use last century's technology while Apple moves everyone else forward.

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only a fool would want that option removed

The option to use an optical isn't being removed, it's just changing to be an optional external peripheral. This is better for poor people because it means you aren't forced to pay Apple's expensive charge for an optical unit so Apple takes that money off or puts it towards something more valuable and you can buy a faster 3rd party DVD drive for $30-50 or even a Blu-Ray drive for as little as $140.
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The option to use an optical isn't being removed, it's just changing to be an optional external peripheral. This is better for poor people because it means you aren't forced to pay Apple's expensive charge for an optical unit so Apple takes that money off or puts it towards something more valuable and you can buy a faster 3rd party DVD drive for $30-50 or even a Blu-Ray drive for as little as $140.

 

An external drive is a wonderful idea for an all in one computer, nicely undoing the removal of desk clutter such a design strove to eliminate.

 

I'd be interested to see the stats of how many DVD/BD drives are commonly used in desktop computers, should should such a stat exist of course. My own view is that a desktop should include options for everything a user could ever want to configure, and all in the same case. It makes PC makers lives more difficult, but that's not my problem.

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No, you do it by removing the drive. This has worked for every technology Apple has removed from devices.

 

 

So feel free to continue to use last century's technology while Apple moves everyone else forward.

 

DVDs and BDs are still very much current technology. If you can show me a streaming site which can match BD quality, then I'd like to see it. Or a place to buy TV series box sets digitally which matches the prices on Amazon perhaps?

 

I just like choice. If a digital option makes sense, then I'll use it, but if optical makes sense, I'll use that too. Choice is good, a reduction of choice is very, very bad.

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An external drive is a wonderful idea for an all in one computer, nicely undoing the removal of desk clutter such a design strove to eliminate.

 

Did'ja ever notice that there aren't too many (read: any at all) external floppy drives around anymore?

Did'ja ever wonder why that might be?


My own view is that a desktop should include options for everything a user could ever want to configure, and all in the same case. It makes PC makers lives more difficult, but that's not my problem.

 

That's right; your problem is wanting that in the first place. lol.gif

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What graphics do you put in the iMac? Would the GTX 680M run too hot? Since the display isn't expected to increase, is 1 GB enough or do you at least give 2 GB for the ultimate as standard?
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I'd be interested to see the stats of how many DVD/BD drives are commonly used in desktop computers, should should such a stat exist of course.

About 30-35% of Apple's customers buy desktops. The amount of that portion of users watching DVDs on their computers is probably very small because you can't really sit comfortably in front of a desktop computer. Optical drives can be noisy too, I'd rather not have drive noise interrupting a movie.
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I just like choice. If a digital option makes sense, then I'll use it, but if optical makes sense, I'll use that too. Choice is good, a reduction of choice is very, very bad.

There is no reduction of choice though. You aren't forced to use a digital option. You just don't have to pay for a drive you might never use.
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What graphics do you put in the iMac? Would the GTX 680M run too hot? Since the display isn't expected to increase, is 1 GB enough or do you at least give 2 GB for the ultimate as standard?

The GTX 680M looks like a good choice. They can also use the 7970M but from this site, it looks like the 680M would be a better choice:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-GeForce-GTX-680M-vs-Radeon-HD-7970M.77110.0.html

1GB of memory should be enough at the current resolution. Apple is always tight with video memory for some reason.
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So just like last time... 1 GB standard and 2 GB BTO? Sounds about right.

Yeah that I don't understand. Apple had a reputation for being popular among graphic designers and such. Have they always been strict on video memory?
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crazy hot is relative. If the iMacs where too hot we would have a constant flow of reports of them overheating. As it is right now only a few seem to have trouble.
As to right to left fans heat rises, if you want to remove it efficiently you don't work against that. On top of that Ivy Bridge, SSDs and a host of other technologies would lower the heat profile. It would not be impossible to actuall see a thinner and cooler iMac.
I agree- but as the iMacs get older and dust accumulates inside, it will run hotter, and hotter.  It's more of a time bomb.  I have 2 27"s and love them- but they could cook an egg on top (both of them).  :-)  True about Ivy Bridge and SSDs... the big enemy is the GPU.  But keep in mind- Retina would make the GPU work harder, and also have a hotter screen (more pixels)- so it's kind of a wash I'd think.

Retina would be easier in an iMac assuming a longer viewing distance.
True

It isn't speed that keeps me from upgrading to an iMac. I rather hate it's anti service designs. I wouldn't even consider an iMac unless serviceability was addressed.
That being said we have yet to hear any Mini rumors or even replacements for the Mini. This is a big concern as they need something other than iMac on the desktop.
Applecare is dirt cheap for an iMac- don't let that hold you back.  iMacs are awesome!

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So just like last time... 1 GB standard and 2 GB BTO? Sounds about right.
Yeah that I don't understand. Apple had a reputation for being popular among graphic designers and such. Have they always been strict on video memory?

Apple at times has been down right stupid when it comes to video memory. To say their configurations can be frustrating at times is an understatement.

As to your prior question about video memory, the trick here is understanding the needs of the software you expect to run. For the vast majority of users 1GB is likely to be enough. If you are into OpenCL or more advanced apps that leverage the GPU 1GB might not be enough.

There might be other considerations if Retina does come to the iMac. More pixels mean more memory is required. However it isn't a linear increase.

When buying a machine and looking at video card options consider how long you expect to keep the machine and the software you use. From there you should be able to determine if the investment is worthwhile. In the end the longer you expect to keep the machine the more important it is to configure for greater GPU performance.
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