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post #81 of 126
If the iMac does come with a retina screen, I suspect anybody that looks at it will be immediately hooked on the screen. People can dismiss it before hand but seeing would generate converts.

As it is I suspect that the rumors of no retina are true. Most likely Apple is the source trying to moderate expectations.
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Heh.  I feel for you; the iPad is great, but there is a limit.

I didn't mean to imply the screen isn't good, just the MBPr was better.  I love my iMac and we are looking at getting another one at some point...
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The iMac screen is gorgeous and the next one will be better. Retina display? Seems pretty irrelevant on a screen of that size right now.
I just wish theyd hurry ip and release the thing as Im currently relying on an iPad. Fine for what it is nut a bit like living off pretzels when youre in need if a decent dinner.

And you can always tell who's typing on an iPad as the spelling and punctuation is 10x worse.

iMac retina display would be nice, but its way down my list of wants, and nowhere on my list of needs.
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how retina useful?

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how retina useful?

Dude, posting on a forum isn't an instant message.

For most people retina is a nice luxury. If you work on any drawings, images, video or publishing, it's beneficial to show the added detail to make problems less likely to to be hidden by aliasing errors.
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iMac in Sept huh?
I need one Tuesday, that is September, right? What do you think my odds are?

zero

 

I have a late 06 iMac that is beginning to fall apart.  It's almost 2 years since the last one was announced.

 

I'm losing patience!  

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zero

I have a late 06 iMac that is beginning to fall apart.  It's almost 2 years since the last one was announced.

I'm losing patience!  

I didn't realize that 17 months was almost two years.

But yes, I got annoyed that a new model supposedly wasn't going to be released until 2013, so bought a reconditioned model in June. They could have at least done a refresh to the latest chips, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post
But yes, I got annoyed that a new model supposedly wasn't going to be released until 2013, so bought a reconditioned model in June. They could have at least done a refresh to the latest chips, in my opinion.

 

I don't see how they can post anywhere near meaningful numbers if they don't release a new iMac and Mac Mini before the holiday season starts…

 

I'm still hoping that not updating to Ivy Bridge at availability means one of two things: full redesign+retina or Haswell early+retina… 

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I don't see how they can post anywhere near meaningful numbers if they don't release a new iMac and Mac Mini before the holiday season starts…

I'm still hoping that not updating to Ivy Bridge at availability means one of two things: full redesign+retina or Haswell early+retina… 

I don't know myself, I was just going by what an Apple exec supposedly told David Pogue;

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/150635/apple-exec-suggests-new-imacs-may-not-come-till-2013

Apple's computer updates aren't set in stone, so it could still be this year, even next Tuesday if the timing is right
post #89 of 126

OK.  Lots of talk about displays. I want to ask about CPU... and GPU.

 

What kind of performance boost would we see with an Ivy Bridge?  

 

Would they likely upgrade the GPU?

 

What would the combined impact on video rendering be?  I work with animation and would like to speed up rendering (I'm on a 3.4GHz SSD model iMac now and average 20 minutes per scene to render (I could always buy a MacPro, but I will hold off until 2013 when the new thing arrives).  The app I use is 64 bit and GPU accelerated.

 

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post #90 of 126
Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post
What kind of performance boost would we see with an Ivy Bridge?  

 

10% like the last, what, five? No jumps to write home about until Haswell. Of course the GPU's getting an update.

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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

OK.  Lots of talk about displays. I want to ask about CPU... and GPU.

What kind of performance boost would we see with an Ivy Bridge?  
Raw CPU performance improvements aren't all that great unless new instructions are used. The big advantage with Ivy Bridge is vastly improved hardware outside of the CPU. One of those improvements is the GPU which supposedly supports OpenCL.
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Would they likely upgrade the GPU?
Well you would think so but then there is the "new" Mac Pro. It should be noted that the newest GPUs vastly improve thermals so they ought to be high priority in an iMac.
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What would the combined impact on video rendering be?  I work with animation and would like to speed up rendering (I'm on a 3.4GHz SSD model iMac now and average 20 minutes per scene to render (I could always buy a MacPro, but I will hold off until 2013 when the new thing arrives).  The app I use is 64 bit and GPU accelerated.

The impact could be profound. However since we have no idea what the new Mac is like it would be total guess work to say anything in this regard.
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10% like the last, what, five? No jumps to write home about until Haswell. Of course the GPU's getting an update.

The general purpose CPU performance isn't that great but over all Ivy Bridge would be a huge win for the desktop Macs. The faster GPU with the potential for OpenCL support, USB 3 and other features makes for a pretty significant improvement over Sandy Bridge.
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I don't see how they can post anywhere near meaningful numbers if they don't release a new iMac and Mac Mini before the holiday season starts…

 

I'm still hoping that not updating to Ivy Bridge at availability means one of two things: full redesign+retina or Haswell early+retina… 

 

If they can skip the Mac Pro 'hahahahhahaha' "update" then why not the iMac?

 

Ivy offers nominal cpu performance upgrade with 'better' (not great) gpu performance which still kind of sucks compared to any cheap, mainstream gpu.  Take out Retina (Which probably won't make it..?) and you're left with a 'meh' update.  USB 3?  Already has Thunderbird.  Whoop de doo.

 

Wait for Retina, Haswell (with it's less 'meh' gpu performance.  Now we're talking about a decent update all of a sudden...) and a much better gpu included as well.

 

I am.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #94 of 126

2013, the year of the desktop Mac?

 

Sorry.  Couldn't resist.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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If they can skip the Mac Pro 'hahahahhahaha' "update" then why not the iMac?

 

 

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Well they might as well piss off the rest of the desktop using community.    

 

Ivy offers nominal cpu performance upgrade with 'better' (not great) gpu performance which still kind of sucks compared to any cheap, mainstream gpu.  Take out Retina (Which probably won't make it..?) and you're left with a 'meh' update.  USB 3?  Already has Thunderbird.  Whoop de doo.

 

 

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It sucks pretty bad to AMDs old APUs not to mention Trinity, Intels GPU performance is nothing to write home about but it is improved in Ivy Bridge.   Improved enough that casual users might not be turned off by it.
 
As to USB 3, it has nothing to do with Thunderbolt.   Thunderbird is for guys on skid row.
 
In any event Apple could have a very significant update to the iMac if it wanted.   It isn't always about the CPU you know.    Refactor iMacs hardware and get serious about solid state secondary storage and the iMac could become a hot design.

 

Wait for Retina, Haswell (with it's less 'meh' gpu performance.  Now we're talking about a decent update all of a sudden...) and a much better gpu included as well.

 

I am.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

Well possibly if you believe Intels marketing and leaks.    In the past we have found that all of Intels good intentions don't always yield go result for the general user.    It is a given that Haswell will be better than past hardware, that generally happens with Intel, but how much better is an open discussion.

 


 

As a side note/question, how does one properly respond into a the middle of the quoted text with the new rich text editor on Safari running on a Mac?    I'm at my Mac at the moment and frankly have been doing most of my posting from my iPad.   On the iPad it is easy to respond to parts of a quoted piece but I've found no easy way to do that on Safari on the Mac other than to go to "source" mode.    This is not cool at all.   Using quote just makes for a mess seen above.    


Edited by wizard69 - 10/1/12 at 3:49pm
post #96 of 126
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

If they can skip the Mac Pro 'hahahahhahaha' "update" then why not the iMac?

Ivy offers nominal cpu performance upgrade with 'better' (not great) gpu performance which still kind of sucks compared to any cheap, mainstream gpu.  Take out Retina (Which probably won't make it..?) and you're left with a 'meh' update.  USB 3?  Already has Thunderbird.  Whoop de doo.

I think USB 3 is a big deal. Thunderbolt is a nice concept, but the peripherals are prohibitively expensive for consumers and pretty scare. A Thunderbolt cable costs as much as a good USB 3 hard drive enclosure, which also includes a USB 3 cable.

Ivy runs cooler too.
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That so called heat issue is a bunch of ignorant BS in the same manner as discussions surrounding lens flare in iPone 5. Basically a bunch of ignorant people that don't understand the technology trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Here is the reality, Ivy Bridge runs with far less dissipated power allowing Intel to save a few bucks on a fancy heat spreader interface. The fact that they can get away with a less efficient thermal interface means that the chip itself isn't producing as much heat. Further the fact that this discussion arises out of the over locking sub culture should further cause you to question the whole discussion.

Intel rates and sells its chips for specific usages, as such the overclocking community is on their own.
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Does IB's heat issue come into play here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)#Heat_issue_when_overclocked
post #99 of 126
Intel does not guarantee performance beyond the part's rated spec. I don't think anyone has proven that happens at a given part's rated speed.
Edited by JeffDM - 10/2/12 at 4:31am
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hi everyone! is it true that the new imacs will not have dvd player? i read it somewhere..

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Originally Posted by jotaro85 View Post
is it true that the new imacs will not have dvd player?

 

Hopefully. We can't know. Many signs point to it.

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If the iMac were to come out now, is it worth buying at this point given that Ivy Bridge is already half a year old and Haswell is expected out in Q2 of 2013? 

 

Why would Apple ship a "new" computer with rapidly aging parts that will be outdated in 6 months?

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Originally Posted by jotaro85 View Post

hi everyone! is it true that the new imacs will not have dvd player? i read it somewhere..

Apple is gradually doing away with built-in optical drives, so that's an easy assumption if Apple is doing a redesign.

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If the iMac were to come out now, is it worth buying at this point given that Ivy Bridge is already half a year old and Haswell is expected out in Q2 of 2013? 

Why would Apple ship a "new" computer with rapidly aging parts that will be outdated in 6 months?

That might be why Apple is stalling on an update.

However, the supply at launch can be constrained. It might take a few months to be able to supply quantities that Apple uses. Keep in mind that Apple changes an entire product line at once, so all iMacs would be switched over to a new chip.
Edited by JeffDM - 10/3/12 at 9:52am
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It wouldn't make sense for apple to not release an iMac without a 2x pixel ratio of their current OS if they have already designed it for one of their macbooks, the macbook pro with retina display. Besides, a 21 inch retina display would be gorgeous on an iMac and of course they would put a 3000 dollar price tag on it and nobody would buy it.

 

So here's my final thoughts on the upcoming iMac. It will have a better front facing camera, it will be as thin an an iPad, removing the cd bay drive and it will come in white and black versions. The sides frames will be made of metal much like in the iPhone's 3GS or the iPods 4th gen. And the speakers will be built on the left and right edges of the iMacs screen for better sound clarity. They will not take away function from the iMac, or increase the size of the screens sides. It'll come with a haswell processor and D4 Ram possibly. It'll come with wifi n and sd storage soldered onto the board.

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Originally Posted by Strat09 View Post
It wouldn't make sense for apple to not release an iMac without a 2x pixel ratio of their current OS if they have already designed it for one of their MacBooks…

 

They did it with the iPad.


…of course they would put a 3000 dollar price tag on it and nobody would buy it.

 

Why? The rMBP isn't exorbitantly priced.

 

…it will be as thin an an iPad…

 

Well, there goes all power and point, dunnit? 

 

…it will come in white and black versions.

 

How?

 

And the speakers will be built on the left and right edges of the iMacs screen for better sound clarity.

 

But worse directionalizing, though, right? That's not the right word… 

 

They will not take away function from the iMac…

 

… Making a desktop computer as thin as an iPad takes away all meaningful function.


It'll come with a Haswell processor and D4 Ram possibly.

 

It'd be nice if Apple got Haswell early, but they don't care about their computers anymore, so it's kind of hard to wish for that to ever happen again.


It'll come with wifi n and sd storage soldered onto the board.

 

You mean 802.11ac? I doubt it would have SSD storage natively, though having just a 16GB chip for the OS and leaving the applications and everything else to the HDD would be great.

post #106 of 126

i need dvd player so i think i'll buy the imac. i found an offert at 999euros...

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Originally Posted by jotaro85 View Post
i need dvd player so i think i'll buy the imac. i found an offert at 999euros...

 

External DVD players are $25 or LESS. Buying an old computer because of that is ludicrous.

post #108 of 126

i was particoularly attracted by the "all in one" solution..if i buy an external dvd player what kind of all in one pc do i have?

however you suggest to wait the new imac?it was suppoused to be announced already...

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Originally Posted by jotaro85 View Post
i was particoularly attracted by the "all in one" solution..if i buy an external dvd player what kind of all in one pc do i have?

 

Set it on the foot.


however you suggest to wait the new imac?

 

Yes. There's nothing at all wrong with the current one, but the new one's close enough that you may as well wait if you want the newest.


it was suppoused to be announced already...

 

Nope, nothing is "supposed" to happen. Apple does stuff when they want to, and unless it's available for purchase right then, they don't really announce early. Which is why we're still so far in the dark.

post #110 of 126

uffff that sucks.

post #111 of 126

This is pissing me off. I'm going to buy Apple and fire Tim Cook!

post #112 of 126

i could be your partner.

post #113 of 126

You're hired!

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It'd be nice if Apple got Haswell early, but they don't care about their computers anymore, so it's kind of hard to wish for that to ever happen again.

 

I like how you didn't even touch the D4 ram comment... lawlz

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is it true that mountain lion requires 8gb ram to work properly??

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Originally Posted by pinkunicorn View Post
I like how you didn't even touch the D4 ram comment... lawlz

 

Isn't DDR4 RAM standard with Haswell? Talking about Haswell would by definition mean talking about DDR4.


Originally Posted by jotaro85 View Post
is it true that mountain lion requires 8gb ram to work properly??

 

Not in the slightest. I run it with 4GB on my Penryn pre-unibody MacBook Pro, and it's just fine.

 

Heck, I still only have 6GB in my Mac Pro and it runs even better there. Frig, I need more RAM… But not for Mountain Lion.

post #117 of 126

640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody! lol.gif

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Dude, posting on a forum isn't an instant message.
For most people retina is a nice luxury. If you work on any drawings, images, video or publishing, it's beneficial to show the added detail to make problems less likely to to be hidden by aliasing errors.

perhaps English is not his native language

 

Your comment is unnecessary and uncalled for

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Originally Posted by ElmoDog View Post
perhaps English is not his native language

 

For the record, it isn't. I'm sure Jeff knows that, too. But as he has certainly shown an aptitude in it above that of the content of the post in question, Jeff's point is valid, and it was presented in a casual, not insulting, way.

post #120 of 126

I do hope the updates are soon.

 

I'm in the market, but I'm not going to buy a machine that's 522 days old.  The high end 21.5" is my target, and I would like to see 8Gb ram and a 1Gb graphics processor.

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