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post #121 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Okay. Go to a store. Pick up an AT&T iPhone 4. Squeeze it.

I don't think you understand burden of proof. The burden of actually buying the phone and demonstrating that to the audience is yours, not mine. Want my PO Box address to mail a GSM iPhone 4 to?

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Because it seems you've no interest in making any sort of sense. Buying a laptop stand does not changing the hardware make.

The change doesn't have to be in the phone, that was an illogical assumption on your behalf. Adding a case changes the conditions in which the phone operates thus working around the problem. Furthermore, analogies are fallacious in natured due to inferring from the particular to the particular, so refrain from using them again in arguments with me. Not that any of this matters, I have proven beyond reason that there are issues with the iPhone 4's antenna gate, you are yet to contest any of the evidence that I have provided so far, so answer all the questions that I asked earlier objectively!
post #122 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

This is irrelevant. This is not what we're discussing.

Okay. Go to a store. Pick up an AT&T iPhone 4. Squeeze it.


Because it seems you've no interest in making any sort of sense. Buying a laptop stand does not changing the hardware make.

I don't see why he would need to prove himself, a simple YouTube search shows Jon from techno buffalo describing the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_P-wQUqyPI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Its possible that Apple changed the manufacturing process slightly to correct the problem on later models, but the way you keep debating with him you make it seem as if the problem didn't exist and people were just complaining to get free stuff.
post #123 of 160
Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
The change doesn't have to be in the phone, that was an illogical assumption on your behalf.

 

Of course it does. The phone wasn't changed. The problem is gone. It was a software issue.

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post #124 of 160
I don't think he's coming back to admit to his bias for suggesting a $1k product as a solution for the loss of component video while failing to acknowledge that as a huge drawback and denying that the iPhone 4 had antenna issues despite overwhelming evidence of such issues.
post #125 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Of course it does. The phone wasn't changed. The problem is gone. It was a software issue.

Apple disagrees with you. Mind to provide evidence of the software issue you're talking about?
post #126 of 160
Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
I don't think he's coming back to admit to his bias for suggesting a $1k product as a solution for the loss of component video while failing to acknowledge that as a huge drawback and denying that the iPhone 4 had antenna issues despite overwhelming evidence of such issues.

 

I love this. It's drive-by forum posting. I first try to find the guy the cheapest solution that I can, he accuses me of vaporware and scams. Then I show him another solution, professional, that will do exactly what he's after, he complains it's expensive. Ah, what a day. lol.gif

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post #127 of 160
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post

I don't think he's coming back to admit to his bias for suggesting a $1k product as a solution for the loss of component video while failing to acknowledge that as a huge drawback and denying that the iPhone 4 had antenna issues despite overwhelming evidence of such issues.

I love this. It's drive-by forum posting. I first try to find the guy the cheapest solution that I can, he accuses me of vaporware and scams. Then I show him another solution, professional, that will do exactly what he's after, he complains it's expensive. Ah, what a day. lol.gif

It's not my fault that you completely forget the context of the arguments you get yourself into. Read post #72 if you want to re-learn the reason why we ended up having this debate and you'll find out why you've never had a chance to win the argument. One of the very first things I stated in this thread was that the loss of the component / composite connectivity was a drawback, but you somehow thought that point was worth arguing...
post #128 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Of course it does. The phone wasn't changed. The problem is gone. It was a software issue.

 

Then why is it still an issue with my wife's iPhone 4? Here are our phones, both running iOS 5.1.1.

 

 

  

 

 My wife's iPhone 4, open palm vs my wife's iPhone 4 with death grip (signal drops)

 

 

   

 

My iPhone 4s with open palm vs my iPhone 4S with death grip (no changes in signal)

post #129 of 160
?וואוו. אנו יכולים משנים את הנושא

Samsung Galaxy series: Faster on a benchmark, not in your hand.

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post #130 of 160
The Signal issues were definately still there. I didn't notice until recently i decide to use the my iPhone without the casing. Too bad there were no compensation for that. ( Or did they gave out free bumpers ?? i forgot )



Back to the Mockup, it can be bought online in china for less then 10 bucks....
post #131 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Of course it does. The phone wasn't changed. The problem is gone. It was a software issue.

 

How do you come up to that conclusion? It's a problem that exists when you hold an area that doesn't have sensors or touchscreen, how can such action create a software glitch?
post #132 of 160
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post

I'm so not excited by the next iPhone. There better be something technically interesting about it other than the taller screen, LTE, and new cameras or I won't be replacing my 4S. I'm really not looking forward to having all my cables and accessories rendered useless by the new dock, plus I'm concerned about the component video and analog audio output being ditched in the new connector.

I don't really think it is meant to replace your 4s.

But it is nice replacement for my 3Gs, or even my colleague's 4.

Isn't 2 years reasonable time to hold on to a phone, especially good one?
post #133 of 160

I think those rabid Apple fan boys who think Apple can do no wrong own huge AAPL stocks. And if AAPL goes down so do their investment. They include some people in the media. I think it is stated too that one of the jury in the Apple vs Samsung case has interest in AAPL or something. 

post #134 of 160
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?וואוו. אנו יכולים משנים את הנושא

 

:) נראה שלא

post #135 of 160
I'd love it if the new phone that comes out looks nothing like this and all these rumor sites had major egg on their faces.

But even if this is the new design I have no doubt that the finished product will have a fit and finish that none of these mockups have. And if this was legit wouldn't Apple be requesting these videos and pictures be taken down?
post #136 of 160

כן, אתה יכול. זה משעמם מדי.

 

Yes, you can, It's too boring.

 

ใช่คุณสามารถ มันน่าเบื่อเกินไป

 

예, 할 수 있습니다. 그건 너무 지루 했어.

 

是的,你可以。這是太無聊了。

 

نعم، يمكنك ذلك. انها مملة جدا.

 

はい、できます。それはあまりにも退屈だ。

 

Any other language scripts? Google Translate can help...

 

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:) נראה שלא

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post #138 of 160

It's kind of hard to get worked up about this "mockup" after recalling just how "solid" the rumors where last year on the "iPhone 5", and just how wrong they were. You'd think case manufacturers would be a little gun-shy too after that. Sorry, but, at this point, there is no credible history of leaks when it comes to new iPhone designs.

 

I'd say that, at best, there's a 50/50 chance this is what the next iPhone will look like, meaning there's at least a 50/50 chance it won't look anything, not even a bit, like this.

post #139 of 160
Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post
It's kind of hard to get worked up about this "mockup" after recalling just how "solid" the rumors where last year on the "iPhone 5", and just how wrong they were. 

 

At least last year we HEARD about the "iPhone with an unchanged case". This year we've heard absolutely nothing about anything but this. Kind of like the iPhone 4.

 

But on your point, I hope the iPad mini is this year's "completely changed design" we hear about but never receive.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

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post #140 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

At least last year we HEARD about the "iPhone with an unchanged case". This year we've heard absolutely nothing about anything but this. Kind of like the iPhone 4.

 

Very little as I recall. Most of the rumor coverage was focused on the teardrop design and, like last year, case manufacturers were busy putting out cases based on it. It's possible to think the rumors are "better" this year, but, based on past history, it's a tossup as to whether there is any basis in reality, whether hard working hoaxers have been particularly successful, or whether Apple really has doubled down on security and this is all part of an elaborate misinformation campaign.

 

We also know that Apple works on a lot of prototypes that never see the light of day, and it's entirely possible that all these rumors are based on one of those, which won't be the new iPhone, made it's way to the wild.

 

I certainly wouldn't bet the bank on this particular design being "real".

post #141 of 160
Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

We also know that Apple works on a lot of prototypes that never see the light of day, and it's entirely possible that all these rumors are based on one of those, which won't be the new iPhone, made it's way to the wild.

 

So dozens of parts from dozens of sources leaking something that Apple builds in Cupertino… 

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post #142 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

So dozens of parts from dozens of sources leaking something that Apple builds in Cupertino… 

 

We don't know there are dozens of parts from dozens of sources. What we have are dozens of rumors from dozens of sites. For all we know they are all based on the same original source, which could be accurate or not, a hoax or real, physical or virtual. Remember, the "device" in this article is a mockup built by someone based on the rumors we are all reading. Of course it "confirms" the rumors, but it doesn't even claim to be built from real parts obtained from Apple's supply chain.


Edited by anonymouse - 9/3/12 at 8:32am
post #143 of 160
Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post
We don't know there are dozens of parts from dozens of sources. What we have are dozens of rumors from dozens of sites. For all we know they are all based on the same original source, which could be accurate or not, a hoax or real, physical or virtual.

 

But the sites say they're from different sources. Why would all those sites lie?


Remember, the "device" in this article is a mockup built by someone based on the rumors we are all reading.

 

Absolutely. I had to tell a few people earlier in the thread the same thing. This specific thing having no relation to true Apple parts doesn't disprove the rumor itself. What about the working model that someone has? How'd that come about?

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post #144 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

But the sites say they're from different sources. Why would all those sites lie?

 

Absolutely. I had to tell a few people earlier in the thread the same thing. This specific thing having no relation to true Apple parts doesn't disprove the rumor itself. What about the working model that someone has? How'd that come about?

 

Lies? No, everyone doesn't have to be lying, but they can all be mistaken, or hoodwinked, just like last year when dozens of parts and rumors from dozens of sources appeared on dozens of sites. This happens all the time on the internet, we all know it happens all the time, but we ignore that when we want it to be true.

 

I haven't looked at a "working model", maybe I missed that article, but, that too can be faked, so ...

 

I'm still not convinced this years rumor crop is correct.

post #145 of 160
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Originally Posted by mcrs View Post

כן, אתה יכול. זה משעמם מדי.

 

Yes, you can, It's too boring.

 

ใช่คุณสามารถ มันน่าเบื่อเกินไป

 

예, 할 수 있습니다. 그건 너무 지루 했어.

 

是的,你可以。這是太無聊了。

 

نعم، يمكنك ذلك. انها مملة جدا.

 

はい、できます。それはあまりにも退屈だ。

 

Any other language scripts? Google Translate can help...

 

Ok. Now can you pronounce the Hebrew you just copied and pasted in there?  Here, I'll help: ken, atah yachol. zeh mish'amaym midai. I hope you don't think I can't read Hebrew and am just going through Google Translate to be funny. I am typing all this to be funny I guess, but I can read and write Hebrew and understand most of it. My Hebrew isn't terribly perfect in terms of grammer (dikduk דקדוק), but it is decent enough usually. 

 

 !תראו חברים! אנחנו משנים הנושא

tireu chaver'eem! anachnu misha'neem ha'nusay!

Look, friends! We're changing the subject!

 

!להתראות

Lehitraot!

Goodbye!

 

 

 

 

 .בסדר. בחזרה לאייפון

b'seder. b'chazarah leh'iphone.

Ok. Back to the iPhone.

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post #146 of 160
Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

I haven't looked at a "working model", maybe I missed that article, but, that too can be faked, so ...

 

I don't get how people missed this… Maybe I should have put it in General Discussion, but it doesn't belong there, it belongs HERE… 

 

 

And yeah, I'm skeptical about that myself, particularly because it's in DFU when there's no reasonable explanation for that, but you can't just make a display like this.


I'm still not convinced this years rumor crop is correct.

 

Replace iPhone with iPad nano and I agree. lol.gif

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post #147 of 160
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I don't get how people missed this… Maybe I should have put it in General Discussion, but it doesn't belong there, it belongs HERE… 

 

And yeah, I'm skeptical about that myself, particularly because it's in DFU when there's no reasonable explanation for that, but you can't just make a display like this.

 

 

Replace iPhone with iPad nano and I agree. lol.gif

 

Yes, it's a little odd that that's the only part shown "working".

 

I tend to agree about the iPad Mini (and yes, we ought to all recall the iPhone Nano rumors), although, I think that one is maybe 60/40 or better in favor of it, even though, like you, I'm skeptical it's a good idea.

post #148 of 160
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

 

The Home button is one of the central features of the phone, it's part of the UI and it will *never* be eliminated.  It's also there so that the blind and other handicapped people can use the phone.  The capacitive buttons on Android phones are one of the single most complained about items by users of Android phones.  The Home button is a great thing, an integral part of the design, is loved by almost everyone and isn't going anywhere, ever.  You can expect it to be present in iPhone 5 and in iPhone 35.  

I've never really understood what the two basic arguments (or the 22 basic sides if there's more than two) are about - and why they generate such strong feelings on either side.  Anyone care to enlighten...???  (Yes, it's late in the thread and I forgot to post 24 hours ago, but we live in hope). 

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Oh, and now I'm just shooting hoops with you guys here, not a prediction or nothing, just daydreaming . . .

 

I saw this video for an Omega watch.

 

[video didn't paste thru when I pressed reply - it's a more than a page above in the thread tho']

 

 

Ceramics and Liquidmetal, materials close to Apple's heart.

Can you imagine an iPhone case made using this process, with Jony Ive's design ?

 

 

aaahh . . . (amoradala drifts off into sweet Apple dream. . . ;) ) 

 

Thanks - I learned more about liquid metal and what some of its actual utility is going to be - and about some aspects of ceramics from this little commercial vid than all the Mac site articles I've read.  Pictures are sometimes worth 1000's of words.  I forget - does Apple have some special rights or ownership stake in liquid metal - i.e., what is their interest based on??

 

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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

You "hate on the leaks" yet indulge on a "leaks" based site. Explain that one.
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I come here because I own and use a lot of Apple's products, and this is where I get to talk about Apple related stuff, including AAPL, which I happen to own a small amount of. That doesn't mean that I condone leaks and people stealing from Apple, quite the contrary.

 

One thing is shooting the breeze and speculating about which features a new Apple product will have or will not have, but it's something completely different when moles start leaking confidential info or stealing parts. Those criminals should be in jail.

 

Best (most nuanced) response to this oft (and often justifiably) made charge here.....  ....we (people who frequent Apple Rumor Sites) are somewhat like kids who can either just speculate about what their presents will be - or "break the rules" and look for where their Christmas presents kind of "have to be" hidden - and when they figure out where they are can't decide whether they REaaaaally want to know too much in advance of Xmas morning..... ....and don't want to have to "act surprised" - kind of compounding our having "cheated" without admitting to our parents that we did.

 

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Of course it's not authentic.
Some random case maker wouldn't have a real iPhone whatever it gets called at this point.

An appeal to logic.  Novel stuff!!

An iPhone, a Leatherman and thou...  ...life is complete.

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post #149 of 160

On an unrelated note, I wish Apple would offer more colors than black/white like the old nanos or the upcoming Nokia Lumias:

 

 

post #150 of 160
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I don't get how people missed this… Maybe I should have put it in General Discussion, but it doesn't belong there, it belongs HERE… 

And yeah, I'm skeptical about that myself, particularly because it's in DFU when there's no reasonable explanation for that, but you can't just make a display like this.

Replace iPhone with iPad nano and I agree. lol.gif


If that's a fake it's a well done fake. There are few inconsistencies that stick out, though. The size of the SIM card slot and solid metal backing come to mind but that doesn't mean it's not a prototype. He does turn it on so unless it's very well done CGI I'd say it's real enough.

I do wonder if this plus the previous anodized aluminum we've seen could be an indication that Apple will go with more than two standard color options.

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"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

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post #151 of 160
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
He does turn it on so unless it's very well done CGI I'd say it's real enough.

 

He has a Flickr set of images with the thing, but has neglected to turn it on for a picture there, despite that being ludicrously easy. And he could easily have it on next to the real iPhones next to it so that anyone and his mother could compare how the pixels look under those lighting conditions.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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post #152 of 160
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Originally Posted by carmelapple View Post

 

.../...

 

 .בסדר. בחזרה לאייפון

b'seder. b'chazarah leh'iphone.

Ok. Back to the iPhone.

 

 :) זה התור שלי עכשיו

 

ze ha'tor sheli arshav 

it's my turn now :)

 

OK, something serious now

 

שנה טובה וגמר חתימה טובה

 

Shana tova v'gmar 'hatima tova !!

 

I let mcrs find the translation thanks to Google ;-)


Edited by mac512 - 9/3/12 at 1:05pm
post #153 of 160
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

2) The Home button is one of the central features of the phone, it's part of the UI and it will *never* be eliminated.  It's also there so that the blind and other handicapped people can use the phone.  The capacitive buttons on Android phones are one of the single most complained about items by users of Android phones.  The Home button is a great thing, an integral part of the design, is loved by almost everyone and isn't going anywhere, ever.  You can expect it to be present in iPhone 5 and in iPhone 35.  

 

In short you understand nothing of the iPhone design, how it works, or the reasons for this or that feature being included. You also seem to know nothing about how design works in general,and yet you come here and give us your pronouncements on what they should or shouldn't include in the next iPhone.  See the problem?  

 

You hit the nail on the head here-- the PHYSICAL button makes a big difference in usability.  I had a Lumia 900, with all capacitive buttons, and it was impossible to figure out which way was up for the phone when it was not in direct sight (in the dark, pocket, etc.)  With an iPhone I determine the correct orientation of the device as I'm grasping it, with it turned the correct way once I see it.  The Lumia (and I'm assuming any all capacitive phone) this not as easy.  I often fumbled with the phone getting it turned the right way.  Forget about reaching over to it in the dark and checking the time, etc.

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They're obsessed with clock speeds, amounts, and sizes

 

 

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...faster CPU...more RAM...a larger screen...

Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic FUDmonger - Tallest Skil
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post #155 of 160
Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post
[two quotes, not mutually exclusive, pertaining to two entirely different ways of looking at technology, posted as an example of an internal contradiction]

 

Guess you're not a spec whore.

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post #156 of 160

how aren't wireless standards not frand? samung licenses those patents to other companies 

post #157 of 160

lmfao

post #158 of 160
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Originally Posted by bitslasher View Post

 

You hit the nail on the head here-- the PHYSICAL button makes a big difference in usability.  I had a Lumia 900, with all capacitive buttons, and it was impossible to figure out which way was up for the phone when it was not in direct sight (in the dark, pocket, etc.)  With an iPhone I determine the correct orientation of the device as I'm grasping it, with it turned the correct way once I see it.  The Lumia (and I'm assuming any all capacitive phone) this not as easy.  I often fumbled with the phone getting it turned the right way.  Forget about reaching over to it in the dark and checking the time, etc.

 

I have no problem getting the orientation just by touching physical volume or power buttons which reside on edges.  

There is really no need to keep the Home button at the front and eat literally 15% of the potential display space at the bottom.

Overall the top and bottom bezels will occupy around 30% (87mm/124mm) of iPhone-5 front area which is a marginable improvement over the 35% (75mm/115mm) of iPhone-4.

 

The future of smartphones is edge-to-edge screens with no bezels. Eventually this is going to happen to iPhone regardless of whether someone likes it or not.

post #159 of 160

ראש השנה מתקרבת בפחות מארבעה שבועות ..., שנה טובה לך ולאהוביך ...

 

And, I can count on getting some of that wonderful Challah bread then...? ;)

 

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Originally Posted by mac512 View Post

 

 :) זה התור שלי עכשיו

 

ze ha'tor sheli arshav 

it's my turn now :)

 

OK, something serious now

 

שנה טובה וגמר חתימה טובה

 

Shana tova v'gmar 'hatima tova !!

 

I let mcrs find the translation thanks to Google ;-)

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Originally Posted by mcrs View Post

 

..., שנה טובה לך ולאהוביך

 

 

גם לך וגם לאהובים שלך

 

 יאללה ביי

 

;-)

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