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Total Web usage of Apple's OS X operating system has exceeded Microsoft's Windows Vista, while for the first time, Windows 7 has topped Windows XP to become the world's largest operating system.

The latest monthly data of desktop operating shares from Net Applications shows that Microsoft's Windows Vista fell in August to 6.15 percent of tracked Web usage. Meanwhile, Apple's latest operating system, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, grew to 1.34 percent of all tracked Web usage.

Apple's most popular Mac operating system remains OS X 10.7 Lion, which represents 2.29 percent of computers tracked on the Web. Combined with Snow Leopard, which accounted for 2.23 percent of usage, Leopard, which took 0.65 percent, the total collective share of OS X was 6.51 percent, besting the 6.15 percent held by Windows Vista.

Also on the list is Apple's OS X 10.4 Tiger, which first launched in April of 2005. It represented 0.15 percent of operating systems seen online.

Apple's share of devices is of course much greater when the iPad and iPhone are included. Net Applications found that the iPad accounted for 3.37 percent of Web traffic, while the iPhone was 2.42 percent.

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Among other mobile platforms, Google Android 2.3 took 1.02 percent, Android 4.0 had 0.48 percent, Android 2.2 accounted for 0.21 percent, BlackBerry was 0.18 percent, and Apple's iPod took 0.16 percent. The smallest share listed by Net Applications was Amazon's Kindle Fire, which accounted for 0.04 percent of devices.

At the top of the list and besting Windows XP for the first time was Microsoft's Windows 7, with a 38.54 percent share that put it ahead of the 38.46 percent held by Windows XP. Also on the list was Windows 8, Microsoft's forthcoming operating system upgrade, which was found to be in testing by 0.21 percent of PC users.
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So we're measuring all of Apple's desktop OSes against a single version of desktop Windows that was never a great seller and finally dropped to a point to be lower than Mac OS X because Win 7 is more popular? I'm not seeing the relevance in comparing it to Mac OS X. Vista is crap regardless if it's installed base is higher or lower than all of Mac OS X.

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Although the title is textually correct, I would say Vista lost share to "pass" OS-X ?

 

The main point of this news in other media was that Windows 7 finally passed Windows XP.

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We're measuring an OS that runs only on a closed, unlicensed platform for which the entry fee is typically $1000, vs. a universally-licensed OS that runs on every PC under under the sun, from the good, to the bad, to the downright ugly, at all price points.

 

OS X market share and Windows market share are completely different measures, with completely different forces driving them. One is driven by consumer satisfaction and ability to pay for a certain level of User Experience. The other is driven by market flooding via universal licensing. 

 

Where the rubber meets the road, 8 years running:

 

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/20/apple-tops-u-s-pc-customer-satisfaction-survey-for-eighth-consecutive-time/

 

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20108336-17/apple-tops-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-year/

 

 

Apple tops in customer satisfaction for 8th year
Once again, the company ranks first among PC makers, receiving a score of 87 out of 100 in the American Customer Satisfaction Index. HP follows in second place.
 
by Don Reisinger   September 19, 2011 9:02 PM PDT 
Macs reign supreme in ACSI's 2011 customer satisfaction study.
 
For the eighth year in a row, Apple's Macs have satisfied more customers than any other vendor's PCs.
The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), which analyzes consumer feelings toward consumer electronics and appliances, among many other products, said today that Apple's Macs received a score of 87 on the index's 100-point scale measuring customer satisfaction regarding computers. The company's satisfaction score is up 1 percentage point compared to last year's tally, and up 18 percentage points from its low in 1998. What's more, Apple's 87 is the highest mark the company has received since 1995.
 
"In the eight years that Apple has led the PC industry in customer satisfaction, its stock price has increased by 2,300 percent," Claes Fornell, founder of the ACSI, said in a statement. "Apple's winning combination of innovation and product diversification--including spinning off technologies into entirely new directions--has kept the company consistently at the leading edge."
 
The ACSI's scale is a comprehensive evaluation of customer satisfaction. According to the company, it conducts about 70,000 interviews with customers each year to determine how they feel on a host of variables, including "perceived quality," "customer expectations," and "perceived value." The company also looks at customer loyalty and complaints. The index, produced by ACSI, was founded at the University of Michigan's business school.

 

 

 

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Wow, Windows XP just won't die, will it?

 

39% of web traffic generated from a operating system that's over 10 years old.

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Wow, Windows XP just won't die, will it?

 

39% of web traffic generated from a operating system that's over 10 years old.

 

Quite an accomplishment...

 

You can be free (linux) but still people stay with XP

 

You can be a successor (vista/7) but people stay with XP

 

You can be presumably better (OS-X) but people stay with XP.

 

Is it that good ? :)

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I would say that xp is still ahead, I'm sure there are a lot of xp computers still being used and not connected to the internet.

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Windows XP is not good per se, it is what they know, and some users dont' want to upgrade. I am sure  a lot would even switch to OSX, but are afraid to jump ship...

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Quite an accomplishment...

 

You can be free (linux) but still people stay with XP

 

You can be a successor (vista/7) but people stay with XP

 

You can be presumably better (OS-X) but people stay with XP.

 

Is it that good ? :)

 

The Windows users I know personally never upgrade the operating system. They take what was installed on their machine when it was purchased and use it until they have to buy another machine. I work for AT&T and my company issued laptop is XP. Windows 7 is just now beginning to show up. Add this to the "post PC era" where desktop and laptop sales are slowing in favor of mobile devices and you see why XP is still around. No, it's not that good.

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So we're measuring all of Apple's desktop OSes against a single version of desktop Windows that was never a great seller and finally dropped to a point to be lower than Mac OS X because Win 7 is more popular? I'm not seeing the relevance in comparing it to Mac OS X. Vista is crap regardless if it's installed base is higher or lower than all of Mac OS X.

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Is it that good ? :)

 

In many respects, it is.  It got (and still gets) the job done, it has broad hardware support, and it just works.  Security issues aside, for most people and many companies, it's just not worth the hassle of upgrading yet.  

And just to reiterate what an earlier poster said, the article is a bit absurd in that it's comparing all versions of one OS to an unpopular and relatively short lived single version of another OS.  It's no different from saying Android phones far FAR surpass the number of iPhone 3G's in use today.  It's not wrong, but it proves nothing.

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I agree with Mark. XP is what people know. Many major businesses have not migrated off XP yet either. Businesses are just started to get comfortable enough to start to migrate off of XP to Windows 7. Vista was so poor it really hurt the business upgrade market. As much as I like Mac, it will not ever gain much market share. iOS has already outpaced OSX and this will continue. Apple is trying to converge OSX and iOS now but that still won't help OSX market share much. I'm a Mac user and recommend to everyone I know but I still think the market will remain small. 

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Satisfaction is in the eye of the beholder...and considering where most of apple revenue comes from(IPHONE), i wouldnt just assume because you like it, or a survey says something that its true..Hell if that was the case then Verizon would be loved and be a customer friendly company and not try to get every cent from us. Comparing all iOS to a windows version isnt fair and makes the site seem more biased and diluted then what would already be assumed by a fan site....what a waste of an article.

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Originally Posted by mausz View Post

 

Quite an accomplishment...

 

You can be free (linux) but still people stay with XP

 

You can be a successor (vista/7) but people stay with XP

 

You can be presumably better (OS-X) but people stay with XP.

 

Is it that good ? :)

 

 

No, it isn't. It's that Microsoft's successor operating systems were so BAD (Vista), and Windows 7 has not been in the market long enough (and has not offered businesses enough) to switch over.

 

The Enterprise sector (responsible for a huge chunk of Windows share) is anything but cutting edge, and it moves at a glacial pace. Most IT departments have budgetary concerns, and look to get the most from the cheapest possible infrastructure. User Experience is typically NOT a concern. 

 

 

 

 

 

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You can be presumably better (OS-X) but people stay with XP.

 

 

 

 

Not everyone can afford to play in the Apple ecosystem. Additionally, OS X isn't licensed to OEMs. 

 

Further reading:

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152278/apples-os-x-passes-windows-vista-in-worldwide-usage#post_2181219

 

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You really should read at least *some* of the posts already in a thread before adding your own. 


Edited by Quadra 610 - 9/3/12 at 6:01am
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We just upgraded to Windows 7 at work. Except for a couple useful features, I'd rather stick with XP.
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Flawed article.

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Most telling to me isn't the simple (and mostly unimportant) statistic that OSX surpassed Windows Vista usage… that's a rather bland point...

 

More astonishing to me is how far overall Windows usage has fallen in the past few years. If I did my math right, and based on the numbers in the chart, WIndows has fallen to roughly 82% overall? (Including Win 7, 8, XP and Vista combined.)

 

That's a precipitous drop from the 95% dominance of the previous decade...

 

It doesn't matter as much that OSX is UP to nearly 7% globally… it's that Windows is DOWN to roughly 82% globally. That's bigger news to me...

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Total Web usage of Apple's OS X operating system has exceeded Microsoft's Windows Vista, while for the first time, Windows 7 has topped Windows XP to become the world's largest operating system.

Also 2.29% + 2.23% + 1.34% + 0.65% + 0.15% = 6.66% overall Mac share.

The price of the first Mac was $666.66. That's as good a sign as you get.

I think OS X surpassing Vista is significant in that it shows how much of a disaster that major OS release was - some people still try to claim it wasn't. Beyond that, not very important.

There are more significant stats like how the iPhone still surpasses all Android devices despite Android apparently massively outselling them (or outshipping them at least) and also iPads being used online almost as much as all Macs. It makes sense now that there are probably more iPads out there than Macs. The mobile browser share heavily favours Apple too:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0&qpcustomd=1

Apple's combined products are about 12% vs Microsoft's 82%. When you consider that Apple is up against so many manufacturers, that's a pretty good share.
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Total Web usage of Apple's OS X operating system has exceeded Microsoft's Windows Vista, while for the first time, Windows 7 has topped Windows XP to become the world's largest operating system.
The latest monthly data of desktop operating shares from Net Applications shows that Microsoft's Windows Vista fell in August to 6.15 percent of tracked Web usage. Meanwhile, Apple's latest operating system, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, grew to 1.34 percent of all tracked Web usage.
Apple's most popular Mac operating system remains OS X 10.7 Lion, which represents 2.29 percent of computers tracked on the Web. Combined with Snow Leopard, which accounted for 2.23 percent of usage, Leopard, which took 0.65 percent, the total collective share of OS X was 6.51 percent, besting the 6.15 percent held by Windows Vista..

In related news, Mac OS X outsold Windows 95 and Windows 3.1 combined last year. /s

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Most telling to me isn't the simple (and mostly unimportant) statistic that OSX surpassed Windows Vista usage… that's a rather bland point...

 

More astonishing to me is how far overall Windows usage has fallen in the past few years. If I did my math right, and based on the numbers in the chart, WIndows has fallen to roughly 82% overall? (Including Win 7, 8, XP and Vista combined.)

 

That's a precipitous drop from the 95% dominance of the previous decade...

 

It doesn't matter as much that OSX is UP to nearly 7% globally… it's that Windows is DOWN to roughly 82% globally. That's bigger news to me...

 

Excellent point. 

 

Maybe *that* (and other "fallen" areas) is why Microsoft felt the need to announce the following:

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151197/steve-ballmer-says-microsoft-plans-to-compete-with-apple-in-every-market

 

How times have changed . . .

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Also 2.29% + 2.23% + 1.34% + 0.65% + 0.15% = 6.66% overall Mac share.
The price of the first Mac was $666.66. That's as good a sign as you get.

 

Well done.  ;)

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Satisfaction is in the eye of the beholder...and considering where most of apple revenue comes from(IPHONE), i wouldnt just assume because you like it, or a survey says something that its true..Hell if that was the case then Verizon would be loved and be a customer friendly company and not try to get every cent from us. Comparing all iOS to a windows version isnt fair and makes the site seem more biased and diluted then what would already be assumed by a fan site....what a waste of an article.

Macs and Mac OS X are still highly important to Apple. They still account for a huge chunk of their revenue and profit. On top of that, Macs make iDevice use better, and vice versa.

We know Apple realizes this as it's only been a year between 10.7 and 10.8, the start of Retina displays on Macs, and the switch in 10.8 to make them more visually compatible to help attract more iDevice users. Apple is also the most profitable vendor in the PC market worldwide.

My only wish is for Apple to have a new Mac-focused campaign this Autumn when the Win8 debacle launches. I expect this to be even worse than Vista after using it, Win Server 2012, and MS Office 2010. Too much change will scare a user base that has been fine with using the same OS for years and years on end. My hypothesis is that if a user has to relearn how to use an OS or have to deal with significant change the way Win8 is then they might as well consider a Mac.


PS: In all fairness, Win8 is a huge improvement over Win7. MS has finally made the NT kernel viable for Windows Phone 8 so hopefully in the future they'll have much of what has done with the once OS X umbrella for Mac OS X and iOS. That's something to triumph even if they've fudged it up in so many other areas.

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Most telling to me isn't the simple (and mostly unimportant) statistic that OSX surpassed Windows Vista usage… that's a rather bland point...

 

More astonishing to me is how far overall Windows usage has fallen in the past few years. If I did my math right, and based on the numbers in the chart, WIndows has fallen to roughly 82% overall? (Including Win 7, 8, XP and Vista combined.)

 

That's a precipitous drop from the 95% dominance of the previous decade...

 

It doesn't matter as much that OSX is UP to nearly 7% globally… it's that Windows is DOWN to roughly 82% globally. That's bigger news to me...

 

It is down to 82% if you count mobile devices, if you count only desktop it is still 92%

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In related news, Mac OS X outsold Windows 95 and Windows 3.1 combined last year. /s
Do I get a headline, too?


I'll be running a parallel headline about OSX outselling NT.

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How are they tracking this? Are they grabbing the MAC address every time a device/machine visits some websites? Which websites?

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Wow, Windows XP just won't die, will it?

 

39% of web traffic generated from a operating system that's over 10 years old.


Understandable given that you can buy new PCs with XP up until relatively recently.

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I agree with Mark. XP is what people know. Many major businesses have not migrated off XP yet either. Businesses are just started to get comfortable enough to start to migrate off of XP to Windows 7. Vista was so poor it really hurt the business upgrade market. As much as I like Mac, it will not ever gain much market share. iOS has already outpaced OSX and this will continue. Apple is trying to converge OSX and iOS now but that still won't help OSX market share much. I'm a Mac user and recommend to everyone I know but I still think the market will remain small. 

 

The reason the business I work for still uses XP is legacy applications that will only run with Internet Explorer 6 or more recently 7, we still get brand new HP PC's loaded with XP.

 

Active X baggage is  still very much alive.

 

 

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Understandable given that you can buy new PCs with XP up until relatively recently.

 

Enterprise customers can still buy them.

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The reason the business I work for still uses XP is legacy applications that will only run with Internet Explorer 6 or more recently 7, we still get brand new HP PC's loaded with XP.

Active X baggage is  still very much alive.


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Understandable given that you can buy new PCs with XP up until relatively recently.


Enterprise customers can still buy them.
Ha, we recently were allows to upgrade to IE8 where I work but are still on XP. And in some cases people need to use Citrix for applications that still require IE6. lol.gif
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The reason the business I work for still uses XP is legacy applications that will only run with Internet Explorer 6 or more recently 7, we still get brand new HP PC's loaded with XP.

Active X baggage is  still very much alive.

Just got 100 new PCs at work with XP loaded. Fun Fun Fun!

Also still running Win Server 2003, but will be moving to Win Server 2008 soon, which I can't for because PowerShell is pretty great. It's intuitive in much the same way Cisco's IOS is intuitive and it's very powerful. It's on the great things MS has done in the recent years. I've played around with Windows Server 2012 but I haven't used it enough to tell if it's better than 2008 or not.

That said, there is still a truth with the "It's what people know" argument. It's very well known for users and IT. There is very that will make IT scratch their head over, but if you pushed everyone to Win8 later this year there would be a lot that would require research or trial and error to resolve.
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I'll be running a parallel headline about OSX outselling NT.

 

You'd be wrong as written technically. XP, 7, Vista, 8, Server etc ARE actually NT ;)  I'm assuming you mean NT 4...

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You really should read at least *some* of the posts already in a thread before adding your own. 

 

My posts were #3 and #6, so don't really understand you comment.

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Really, I would say that XP is the best Windows ever released, it is definitely the most breakthrough WIndows ever. Vista = sucked, 7 = a little bit better version of Vista. If I had to use Windows, it would most definitely be XP.

 

 


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Quite an accomplishment...

 

You can be free (linux) but still people stay with XP

 

You can be a successor (vista/7) but people stay with XP

 

You can be presumably better (OS-X) but people stay with XP.

 

Is it that good ? :)

It's that good if your hardware is old.

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Really, I would say that XP is the best Windows ever released, it is definitely the most breakthrough WIndows ever. Vista = sucked, 7 = a little bit better version of Vista. If I had to use Windows, it would most definitely be XP.

 

 

That says a great deal about the true extent of Microsoft's incompetence (even in their core business.)

 

XP was an absolute dog of an OS. It had wide compatibility going for it, but that's about it. 

 

It was ugly, unintuitive, and a perfect example of everything that was wrong at Microsoft. Except that XP was the best OS that Microsoft had released up to that point. Which isn't saying much, because XP was an exemplar of horrible design and outright negligence by Microsoft.

 
For example, Before 2003-2004, MS had no such thing as user-permission prompts (among other missing security features.) Windows XP shipped with FIVE open ports. And this was in 2001, when we were well into the Internet Age! Can you believe that? XP shipped insecure by default in an environment that was already teeming with Windows viruses. MS really had no viable, effective concept of security in any of its operating systems until Vista (which in itself was a failure.) Vista, ironically, finally caught Windows up to where everyone else had been for years.
 
The only operating system that could be comparable to the ease and luxury experienced by OS X users (not long after Apple nailed OS X - around Jaguar) is Windows 7. And even *that* is no OS X (any universally-licensed operating system, by definition, *can't* be to begin with.)
 
Interestingly enough, at the time of XP's release, it was very comparable to Apple's partially-done OS X effort - that is, not a feature-complete OS X. Microsoft's so-called best effort at the time was on par (or just barely) with an Apple operating system that was barely better than a Beta. 
 
Microsoft are the f-ups of the industry, folks, and have been for years and years. But their universal-licensing racket - signed and sealed many moons ago - made them the only option for a very long time. 

Edited by Quadra 610 - 9/3/12 at 8:27am
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Further reading:

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152278/apples-os-x-passes-windows-vista-in-worldwide-usage#post_2181219

 

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You really should read at least *some* of the posts already in a thread before adding your own. 

 

Linking to your own posts to validate your arguement? Are you DED's Sith apprentice? :)

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Actually the number is a little inaccurate because the survey [explained as "desktop operating shares from Net Applications"] considers Ipad and Iphone in the mix, and that's about 5% right there. If this 5% is being distributed proportionally, Windows share would be bumped up another 3% making it to 85% total. Windows is losing some market share but not by much. Mac OS usually hovers around 7-8%, Windows at around 87% and the rest belongs to the likes of Linux et.al. There is only a slight movement at best.

 

But, the monumental shifting to a post-PC landscape is well underway, and I think Apple with the IOS will benefit greatly from the new metric, perhaps adding around 10% to its current market share within the next 5 years. That is a phenomenal growth. 

 

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Most telling to me isn't the simple (and mostly unimportant) statistic that OSX surpassed Windows Vista usage… that's a rather bland point...

 

More astonishing to me is how far overall Windows usage has fallen in the past few years. If I did my math right, and based on the numbers in the chart, WIndows has fallen to roughly 82% overall? (Including Win 7, 8, XP and Vista combined.)

 

That's a precipitous drop from the 95% dominance of the previous decade...

 

It doesn't matter as much that OSX is UP to nearly 7% globally… it's that Windows is DOWN to roughly 82% globally. That's bigger news to me...

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The Windows users I know personally never upgrade the operating system. They take what was installed on their machine when it was purchased and use it until they have to buy another machine. I work for AT&T and my company issued laptop is XP. Windows 7 is just now beginning to show up. Add this to the "post PC era" where desktop and laptop sales are slowing in favor of mobile devices and you see why XP is still around. No, it's not that good.

Even today computers with Windows 7 are sold from Dell with XP Mode, whatever that means. I wonder if those machines log themselves as XP or Win 7 when surfing the net.

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With the new hardware, Windows XP is going even faster. Adding all those eye candies in Vista/7 are nice, but they use up some CPU horsepower to make it run properly. That's what Apple/Microsoft/etc is doing with the new and faster hardware, adding more and more eye candies. Except, the Windows 8 appears to have gone backward, and thus, it runs faster than Vista/7 because there are less of those things that pleased the eyes. 

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It's that good if your hardware is old.

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Microsoft are the f-ups of the industry, folks, and have been for years and years. But their universal-licensing racket - signed and sealed many moons ago - made them the only option for a very long time. 

 

XP came out feature-complete in 2001, the initial version of OS X launched at the same time and was a mess--slow, bug-ridden, and threw the Mac community into a hurricane of shift from OS 9 to OS X. Try as you may to paint a different picture, this is reality.

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With the new hardware, Windows XP is going even faster. Adding all those eye candies in Vista/7 are nice, but they use up some CPU horsepower to make it run properly. That's what Apple/Microsoft/etc is doing with the new and faster hardware, adding more and more eye candies. Except, the Windows 8 appears to have gone backward, and thus, it runs faster than Vista/7 because there are less of those things that pleased the eyes. 

 

Yeah, this is true. Windows 8 is extremely efficient; it runs well even on old hardware, like  Pentium M's and Pentium 4's with a a gig of RAM, which is quite the accomplishment as they continue to support legacy applications (as they always have, and always will, being the business world.)

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