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post #41 of 298

I think maybe it's just my silly mind. The number 12 is somehow significant apart from it being the date. Maybe they'll release twelve products and services like refreshed iMac, refreshed Mac Mini, new iPad Mini, new iPhone 5, refreshed iTunes and some other things or I'm being too optimistic.

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Yes, but there's a difference between what you're suggesting and being vehemently opposed to something and attacking others for stating a belief that differs from yours.
Frankly, I always took the position that it didn't really matter and wasn't worth worrying about. I did, however, get offended by TS outright attacks on people who thought it might be the iPhone 5. It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Similarly, his vehement attacks on the concept of an iPad Mini fall into the same pattern. He can not simply say "let's get past it" if the iPad Mini is shipped - at least not if he has even a shred of integrity.

Well, his pending mea culpa not withstanding, it is becoming very petty after the first few people pointing it out. We don't need this to become a "let's jump TS" thread, whether it might be deserved or not.

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post #43 of 298

Blah, blah.  If it Apple calls it '5' it's '5'.  '5' follows '4'.  It's not difficult.

 

It's really just 'iPhone...'

 

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post #44 of 298
Meanwhile, somewhat back on topic ... I'm sure the anticipation of the 'next' iPhone is why sales have dipped and the Scamscum phone has taken the lead in sales ...
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post #45 of 298

Calling it "iPhone 6" was simply flawed logic. Accept you were wrong, and move on folks :) The reason for the jump to 3 was because it was the 3G phone and so avoided confusion with the buzz number of the time.

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I'm with Tallest Skill on the naming. If they do name it iPhone 5, it goes against every naming convention they've done and just doesn't make sense. The ONLY, I repeat, ONLY iPhones ever released with a generation-signifier were the iPhone 4, and therefore also the 4S. This is the 6th generation iPhone, no matter how you want to twist it.

 

And may I remind all of you, last year around this time everyone was calling the 4S the iPhone 5 prior to its announcement. So... which is right? You can't have it both ways. This isn't the fifth iPhone. 

 

 

 

On a forum I would expect people to understand rather easily. When talking to non-techy friends, explaining the whole 3G vs 3GS vs 4 vs 4S is incredibly difficult. They see a number and assume chronologically, when that's got nothing to do with it, really.

 

 

In any event, I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 6, and I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 5. I would REALLY like everything to revert back to just 'iPhone'.

 

 

 

EDIT: Further, if Apple chooses to call it the iPhone 5, then fine ... but it wouldn't be technically correct. It wouldn't be the first time a company leaned toward its consumer side in the marketing department over the technical side. It would make for an interesting caveat for the nerds of the future :p

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NOT looking forward to the headphone jack being re-positioned to the bottom of the device......

I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.

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post #48 of 298

Apple discovered the fifth element !

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".

 

Oh, I'm not; don't worry. lol.gif


Originally Posted by Slang4Art View Post
If it is called iPhone 5, then even Apple is wrong. Sorry, but that is simply pandering to the lowest common denominator and ruins the intelligent naming conventions iPhone carried in the past. Apple may name it iPhone 5 to avoid confusing idiots who don't understand the product line or its history, but there is no reason to call the 6th generation, 4th form factor iPhone an iPhone 5.

 

Exactly. I just don't get it at all. Not pandering to what people thought they wanted is how Apple got where they are.


Originally Posted by geekdad View Post
But he might ban us if we disagree with him......

 

{Dead serious mode} No. {/dead serious mode}

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post #50 of 298
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But that's wrong, too.

 

 

 

Yeah I just realized that.  Oops.  The 4S is the 5th generation.  

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I really want it to be the iPhone 5 just to annoy the people who have been that anal about the naming structure.

Funny thing is, there is no naming structure. If it is iPhone 5 or iPhone 6, it will be the first time a pattern was repeated. If it is 6 it will be the first time the entire scheme was repeated.

People are trying to guess the name based on patterns that never existed.
post #52 of 298

Who cares what it's called?

 

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

post #53 of 298
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

I now subscribe to the "5 products being released" theory. lol.gif

 

Then the invite would have read "They're almost here." 

 

They don't want to be grammatically incorrect ;)

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post #54 of 298
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. I did, however, get offended by TS outright attacks on people who thought it might be the iPhone 5. It's a little late for him to say "it doesn't matter, so let's get past it".
Similarly, his vehement attacks on the concept of an iPad Mini fall into the same pattern. He can not simply say "let's get past it" if the iPad Mini is shipped - at least not if he has even a shred of integrity.

As Global Moderator perhaps he sees it as his role to be provocative?
post #55 of 298
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Well, his pending mea culpa not withstanding, it is becoming very petty after the first few people pointing it out. We don't need this to become a "let's jump TS" thread, whether it might be deserved or not.

Isn't that the limit?  How he acts like a dick about it for months and as soon as someone else jumps on him for it they're the asshole?

 

Ah, internets!

 

Although I do agree iPhone 5 is still weird.  I would have thought "The New iPhone" - which is a way to get away from the SIII type naming scheme.

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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post
Funny thing is, there is no naming structure. If it is iPhone 5 or iPhone 6, it will be the first time a pattern was repeated. If it is 6 it will be the first time the entire scheme was repeated.

 

The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).

 

Here's how it has been so far.

 

iPhone: generation

iPhone 3G: telephony

iPhone 3GS: speed

iPhone 4: generation

iPhone 4S: speed

 

There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.


Originally Posted by alcstarheel View Post
They don't want to be grammatically incorrect ;)

 

This will be the funnest iPhone ever.

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post #57 of 298
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I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.

The reason I am not, is due to the fact that both times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket upside down (to protect the earphone jack because it was starting to rain), the iPhone turned off, and went into some hardware diagnostic mode which took a great deal of effort to get the iPhone to be re-booted.  Unless that will not happen with the new iPhone. (Whatever they call it)...... 

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Apple discovered the fifth element !

 

The new iPhone will be made of boron? :)

post #59 of 298

I suppose we won't get a livestream...?

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post #60 of 298
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).

Here's how it has been so far.

iPhone: generation
iPhone 3G: telephony
iPhone 3GS: speed
iPhone 4: generation
iPhone 4S: speed

There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.

This will be the funnest iPhone ever.

Good point on the S.

I had thought 4G was possible. I think the marketing troubles with 4G LTE outside the US make that impossible.
post #61 of 298

5 inch screen!  Oh yeah!

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post #62 of 298

I would prefer to see Apple go in a more Dada-esque direction and pick a name like: iPhone Blergzorp.  Subsequent names would be even more nonsensical and have no relation to anything.

 

You know, like the names of Hyundai cars.

post #63 of 298

Enough about the name. Let's get on to the important stuff:

  • When will this be available for sale?
  • Any new carriers (US Cellular, T-Mobile, China Mobile)?
  • Do you have enough of them in stock to meet demand, or will it take weeks like last time?
post #64 of 298
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And sure! Nothing wrong with people doing that to me if they do decide to call it a name it isn't, but I'm not going to be apologizing for knowing how to count.

I have to admit that you are the first person I thought of when I saw that shadow. Especially after all the "it's ABSOLUTELY NOT" posts.

Look at it this way. At least people are thinking of you. It's nice to be thought of now and then...
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The reason I am not, is due to the fact that both times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket upside down (to protect the earphone jack because it was starting to rain), the iPhone turned off, and went into some hardware diagnostic mode which took a great deal of effort to get the iPhone to be re-booted.  Unless that will not happen with the new iPhone. (Whatever they call it)...... 

That's weird. To my knowledge there is no combination of button presses, that only involves the lock button, that would put it into DFU or a diagnostic mode. 

 

Did you have a reason for wanting to protect the headphone jack from the rain, over protecting the dock connector port, mic and speaker ports? ;)

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post #66 of 298
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The reason I am not, is due to the fact that both times I placed my iPhone in my shirt pocket upside down (to protect the earphone jack because it was starting to rain), the iPhone turned off, and went into some hardware diagnostic mode which took a great deal of effort to get the iPhone to be re-booted.  Unless that will not happen with the new iPhone. (Whatever they call it)...... 

Well now all the openings are one side so it will be even easier to protect.....
post #67 of 298
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I'm not inserting anything about the name. I change it to the right generation. I also don't edit their posts.

But it isn't. Only internally is it anything "5". And then the iPhone 4 was internally 3

I was insistent about "iPhone 6" until this year's iPad came out, and for that I apologize, but I don't see a reason to apologize for backing "6th iPhone" thereafter.

I don't think you should apologize for backing what you think is correct. It was the vigor of your support over such a long time, with the insistence that anyone who didn't agree had some problem, that irked some of us, as in that one time when you called me childish for not agreeing with what was seen as obvious to you, but not to me.
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I would prefer to see Apple go in a more Dada-esque direction and pick a name like: iPhone Blergzorp.  Subsequent names would be even more nonsensical and have no relation to anything.

You know, like the names of Hyundai cars.

Awesome.
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Originally Posted by Slang4Art View Post

If it is called iPhone 5, then even Apple is wrong. Sorry, but that is simply pandering to the lowest common denominator and ruins the intelligent naming conventions iPhone carried in the past. Apple may name it iPhone 5 to avoid confusing idiots who don't understand the product line or its history, but there is no reason to call the 6th generation, 4th form factor iPhone an iPhone 5.

 

I agree that "iPhone 5" is a sucky name, but I don't think anyone can argue that the naming convention previously used was "intelligent."  It was in fact, pretty random and almost meaningless so far.   

 

Only the original iPhone and the iPhone 4 even have numbers that match their generation.  

It's quite a stretch to even call what they had previously "a naming convention."   

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I am. Will ensure it is in the correct orientation when I pull it out of my pocket. Currently, since it usually goes in the pocket with the headphone jack up (when headphones are plugged in anyway), when you reach in and pull it out, it is upside down in your hand.

I was explaining this to my wife just last night.  We both thought it made sense even though it seems a little odd because of all the years of iDevices with the hole on top.

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Too funny! You should start your won company. 

post #72 of 298

Well said!

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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post
I think the marketing troubles with 4G LTE outside the US make that impossible.

 

Gosh, they really screwed the pooch on that, didn't they? I mean the telecoms. Between calling HSPA+ "4G", WiMAX, and LTE itself, commercials have to sound so terrible these days… Completely confusing to people who don't follow this stuff and annoying and redundant to those that do. 


Originally Posted by Vadania View Post
At least people are thinking of you. It's nice to be thought of now and then...

 

Well, plenty of people already hate me, what's a handful more. lol.gif


Originally Posted by melgross View Post
…that one time when you called me childish for not agreeing with what was seen as obvious to you, but not to me.
 

Did I say childish? I truly apologize for that. You're right; there's no sense in that. I've had that happen a few times before; I see things, think they're obvious, and then am increduled when others don't see them that way. I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).

 

Here's how it has been so far.

 

iPhone: generation

iPhone 3G: telephony

iPhone 3GS: speed

iPhone 4: generation

iPhone 4S: speed

 

There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.

 

 

This will be the funnest iPhone ever.

 

They still might call it "the new iPhone."

The 5 on the invitation could easily be just to let everyone know what the event is about.  

The "5" kind of rules out calling it "iPhone 6" but doesn't rule out using the "new iPhone."  

 

That's what I'm hoping anyway.  I prefer some degree of rationality.  

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post
They still might call it "the new iPhone."

The 5 on the invitation could easily be just to let everyone know what the event is about.  

The "5" kind of rules out calling it "iPhone 6" but doesn't rule out using the "new iPhone."  

 

That's what I'm hoping anyway.  I prefer some degree of rationality.  

 

OH! Wait, the A5X had 4x faster graphics… Maybe the modified chip for the iPhone, coupled with the fact that the screen has a lower resolution, has… 5x faster graphics! lol.gif

 

No, I'm… I agree with you, but I'm preparing for the worst at this point. 

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But that's wrong, too.

I like that idea, though I don't buy it. Talk about your runaround, eh?

iPhone, iPod touch, iPod nano, iPod shuffle… what else? They COULD do it, we just have to think of a 5th product.lol.gif

AppleTV?
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But it isn't. Only internally is it anything "5". And then the iPhone 4 was internally 3

 

I was insistent about "iPhone 6" until this year's iPad came out, and for that I apologize, but I don't see a reason to apologize for backing "6th iPhone" thereafter.

At least you admit that you were wrong.  Some people can't even accept the fact that they were completely wrong altogether.  I remember you telling me that the next iPhone would be called iPhone 6.  6th generation iPhone so it will be called iPhone 6.

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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post
AppleTV?

 

Hey, as long as it's a box, I'm game. Though we just got an update to that, so I don't see more than one of those a year. Could be wrong.

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That's weird. To my knowledge there is no combination of button presses, that only involves the lock button, that would put it into DFU or a diagnostic mode. 

 

Did you have a reason for wanting to protect the headphone jack from the rain, over protecting the dock connector port, mic and speaker ports? ;)

The top of the iPhone was sticking out of my shirt pocket, so I didn't want any rain going down the headphone jack into the unit. I don't get why the iPhone did that. It's happened both times I inverted it in my pocket. The first time I simply turned it back on, but the second time, it was a brick for a day......  

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Originally Posted by Slang4Art View Post

If it is called iPhone 5, then even Apple is wrong. Sorry, but that is simply pandering to the lowest common denominator and ruins the intelligent naming conventions iPhone carried in the past. Apple may name it iPhone 5 to avoid confusing idiots who don't understand the product line or its history, but there is no reason to call the 6th generation, 4th form factor iPhone an iPhone 5.

But you guys are making your own errors. Just because this is the sixth phone doesn't make it the sixth generation. You assume that a new phone, by definition, is a new generation. That doesn't make it true. Apple doesn't have to see it that way, and after all it's their phone.

They can define generation any way they want to, and that makes it right. We're just posters who have feelings about it, but whose feelings don't matter.

This could even be thought of as a forth generation phone.

But marketing doesn't always follow engineering conventions. A company looks to what they think is a defining feature of a product, and can, if they want to, use that as a marker in the name. So Apple called the newer version of the 3G the 3GS. Did they think of it as a new generation? No, they didn't. The "S" stood for speed. So they considered that they speeded up the 3G. Same model phone, faster internals. Some other more minor updates too. But apparently not worthy of an entirely new name.

Same thing with the "4". The "S" stood for Siri, supposedly, and maybe in addition, more speed. But again, clearly the same models.

So saying that this new one is the sixth generation is just the opinion of a few. Apple's naming conventions don't follow your thought, and no reason why they should. People would wonder what happened to the "5". That would be bad marketing.
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