Actually, if the invitation is referring to the event (singular) it would be grammatically correct to say "it's almost here" even if there are 5 products.
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Gosh, they really screwed the pooch on that, didn't they? I mean the telecoms. Between calling HSPA+ "4G", WiMAX, and LTE itself, commercials have to sound so terrible these days… Completely confusing to people who don't follow this stuff and annoying and redundant to those that do.
Well, plenty of people already hate me, what's a handful more. 
Did I say childish? I truly apologize for that. You're right; there's no sense in that. I've had that happen a few times before; I see things, think they're obvious, and then am increduled when others don't see them that way. I'm sorry.
Wow TS...that was awesome.....there is hope for you yet! :-)
I don't think people have any problem with you insisting what the next iPhone will be called....most don't really care what it will be called. It was always the manner in which you defended your position. It seemed like you took it too personal.
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But the iPhone isn't like the DeLorean. There are dedicated releases where new hardware defines a new generation of product. Didn't we used to call them revisions (like the G5 iMac had Rev A, Rev B (with iSight) and Rev C)? And even if we take the internal numbers, that makes this iPhone "5,1" and the iPhone 4 "3,1". But it was still called "4", because it was their fourth revision/generation.
People never wondered what happened to the iPhone 2. They'd get over it. They got over dropping the iPad increment.
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I'm with Tallest Skill on the naming. If they do name it iPhone 5, it goes against every naming convention they've done and just doesn't make sense. The ONLY, I repeat, ONLY iPhones ever released with a generation-signifier were the iPhone 4, and therefore also the 4S. This is the 6th generation iPhone, no matter how you want to twist it.
And may I remind all of you, last year around this time everyone was calling the 4S the iPhone 5 prior to its announcement. So... which is right? You can't have it both ways. This isn't the fifth iPhone.
On a forum I would expect people to understand rather easily. When talking to non-techy friends, explaining the whole 3G vs 3GS vs 4 vs 4S is incredibly difficult. They see a number and assume chronologically, when that's got nothing to do with it, really.
In any event, I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 6, and I don't expect them to call it the iPhone 5. I would REALLY like everything to revert back to just 'iPhone'.
EDIT: Further, if Apple chooses to call it the iPhone 5, then fine ... but it wouldn't be technically correct. It wouldn't be the first time a company leaned toward its consumer side in the marketing department over the technical side. It would make for an interesting caveat for the nerds of the future

That's just your feeling, and I disagree that this is a sixth generation phone.
Please tell me that you were being sarcastic when you wrote this reply. We at least should have some ground rules for the friendly banter.
This thread is honestly hilarious.
Obviously it's going to be called iPhone 5, or they wouldn't have put a "5" in the advert. Unless you think in Apple's world 5=6 ? Or 5 means iPhone Super Awesome Edition?
Do you people honestly have nothing better to do with your time then bicker about something THAT trivial?
If I was Apple, I'd be laughing my ass off. You guys trolled yourselves.
This thread was epic: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/140946/strong-sales-of-iphone-4s-a-precursor-to-monster-launch-of-redesigned-iphone-5. The first reply is awesome. Actually, all the posts by TS in that thread had so much ferocity in them it's amazing. Dood has passion no doubt.
My entry into the thread brings back some good memories: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/140946/strong-sales-of-iphone-4s-a-precursor-to-monster-launch-of-redesigned-iphone-5/200#post_2026865. I still believe I made some good points. But that's just my lowly opinion :)
There have been so many leaks on this I wonder what they could possibly do to surprise people.
I find myself more interested by the Nokia event this week if I'm being honest. They're making the most beautiful phones out there, and Windows Phone remains the most modern thinking and original mobile OS. Obviously nobody is going to buy it, but still, I like to see new things. The same old from Apple and Google is getting rather dull.
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5th is easy: any imac, mac mini, 13" retina MBP, 99$ Apple TV upgrade,
Maybe ipad mini but they were right on for the 12th launch date, so the october ipad mini launch may be right on too. There is also the possible but not probable surprise product, like the cable box or full tv set.
My biggest wishes are apps on the appleTV and the ipad mini with a 200-250$ price range
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Tell us the hardware in the device, since we don't know anything about it yet, and the device-specific software features, since we don't know those, either.
All in all, the entire phone minus the look.
On the October event, I buy that there is one, but I think it would be better if it was for the iMac, 13" retina MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, and iLife and iWork '13! Where the heck have those been? I realize that Macs don't make you any meaningful money anymore, Apple, but some of us still like to use the computers that got you where you are today.
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It could reference either but I would think people care more about -- and the invite is referencing -- the phone almost being here not the event.

I don't think you should apologize for backing what you think is correct. It was the assholeness of your support over such a long time, with the insistence that anyone who didn't agree had some problem, that irked some of us, as in that one time when you called me childish for not agreeing with what was seen as obvious to you, but not to me.
There - fixed that for you
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But that always happens, regardless of the name.
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They could still name it "The new iPhone."
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There is no doubt it's the sixth iPhone though. It just depends on how you define "generation."
My personal preference would be for Apple to stop selling the old versions when the new one comes out. That way it could just be the "iPhone" every single year and n one has to stress out about anything at all.
I don't think the slightly lower prices on "last year's gear" really do much for them sales wise and the real problem with the iPhone has always been the extremely high price.
I think Apple would be better off putting their skills behind the creation of a truly low-cost, off-contract, version of the iPhone and forget about this BS of selling the last three years models all at differing prices. It's confusing and stupid IMO and there are enough of last years phones being re-sold by the users themselves anyway.
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But the iPhone isn't like the DeLorean. There are dedicated releases where new hardware defines a new generation of product. Didn't we used to call them revisions (like the G5 iMac had Rev A, Rev B (with iSight) and Rev C)? And even if we take the internal numbers, that makes this iPhone "5,1" and the iPhone 4 "3,1". But it was still called "4", because it was their fourth revision/generation.
People never wondered what happened to the iPhone 2. They'd get over it. They got over dropping the iPad increment.
If this phone is internally referred to as the 5.1, then it's clearly a fifth generation model. But it really doesn't matter, and that's one of the points I've been making. Naming is purely a marketing function, somethng I was involved with with my own companies, and in my years in advertising.
Whatever Apple wants to emphasize that year is going to be reflected in the name. Of course a first model is rarely given a number, but the second one often is. But Apple wanted to address the big question of 3G that year, the lack of which was a reason many people, including my family, didn't buy the first model. So they named it the 3G. Nothing to do with he generation of phone, just the feature they wanted people to be aware of.
Why did they name the "4" the "4"? Likely because it was a new phone entirely and people were used to it having 3G.
If this one will be referred to as the "5", and we don't know that yet, after all, that number could refer to five products, then it would likely be because, again, this is an entirely new phone, marked by a completely new case and screen.
If that's Apple's thinking, then "5" makes sense for them.
I don't know why I always get caught up in speculating but:
It could also be rising from the shadow of iOS5
Could also mean the length (shadow projecting) of the phone is 5" long.
I could care less if the phone is called the 5 or the 6 or whatever. But there are other possible meanings behind the numbers.
Could also mean all of the above. 5" phone, rising from iOS5 (i.e. iOS6), with a A5X processor, with 5 cool features and we call it the iPhone 5.
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Specifically on that, take a look at this. They put "The new iPhone" right on the box. Now, they don't do this with the iPad. Fake? Click for much larger, and then right-click and open the image in a new tab for the full size…
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There is no doubt it's the sixth iPhone though. It just depends on how you define "generation."
My personal preference would be for Apple to stop selling the old versions when the new one comes out. That way it could just be the "iPhone" every single year and n one has to stress out about anything at all.
I don't think the slightly lower prices on "last year's gear" really do much for them sales wise and the real problem with the iPhone has always been the extremely high price.
I think Apple would be better off putting their skills behind the creation of a truly low-cost, off-contract, version of the iPhone and forget about this BS of selling the last three years models all at differing prices. It's confusing and stupid IMO and there are enough of last years phones being re-sold by the users themselves anyway.
Of course, I keep saying that it's the sixth phone, but not necessarally the sixth generation phone. There's an anal quality to insisting that every new model is automatically a new generation.
According to numbers we see on some financial sites, and from strong hints from Apple, the older phones sell quite well. Last quarter, and the ones before as well, have had the 4S as the number one selling model at the companies selling it here, with the 4 being the second most popular selling phone, and the 3GS, for AT&T, the only company selling it here, rounding that out as the third best selling model smartphone. After those come a Samsung Galaxy model.
So except possibly for right now, when a new model is expected, those older models are selling very well. More than any other model by anyone else.

But the iPhone isn't like the DeLorean. There are dedicated releases where new hardware defines a new generation of product. Didn't we used to call them revisions (like the G5 iMac had Rev A, Rev B (with iSight) and Rev C)? And even if we take the internal numbers, that makes this iPhone "5,1" and the iPhone 4 "3,1". But it was still called "4", because it was their fourth revision/generation.
People never wondered what happened to the iPhone 2. They'd get over it. They got over dropping the iPad increment.
That's EXACTLY why 5 makes sense - its simple, it follows four, people are expecting it. If they brought out an iPhone that is made from Carbon they could call it the iPhone Carbon and no-one would blink. But for once I agree with you - if they called it the iPhone 6 it would take people all of 6 seconds to get over it. Which is why the naming is purely a marketing exercise and which would be the only interesting part of it being called anything but the iPhone 5. Calling it something else would get people talking.
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All those leaks with the two tone back looked pretty real, so I'm anticipating no surprises on the appearance. I hope the internals come as a surprise then, another year with the dual Cortex A9 cores would be meh, and seeing as it won't have significantly more pixels to push then the 4s like the new iPad does the die area used on the MP4 graphics would be better spent on better processing.
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On the October event, I buy that there is one, but I think it would be better if it was for the iMac, 13" retina MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, and iLife and iWork '13! Where the heck have those been? I realize that Macs don't make you any meaningful money anymore, Apple, but some of us still like to use the computers that got you where you are today.
Makes sense to put all the macs in october and that would put the ipad mini on sept 12. I am expecting Amazon to launch a 99$ kindle fire with ads this week. This is going to hurt the Apple stock until Apple confirms the mini. Add to this the market correction risk, I am 90% cash at the moment. I only have a few september option to catch a possible upside. But with all the new competitor products launch until sept 12, I am pretty confident Apple will go lower before the event.
I expect Apple to rise until webnesday, then tank on the amazon event. The chances of Apple going down thursday are even greater if it rise over 700$ before wednesday.
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But the pic of the 12 and shadow 5 doesn't have to represent the name of the phone or it's model #.
After it is the six iteration. But it has been 5 years since the introduction of the iPhone which is very important to apple.
So Phone 5 or 5 year anniversary?
Shut up and take my fricking money already!

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I'd prefer the liquidmetal iPhone.
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The 4S was the first time a naming convention was repeated (I'm ignoring the iPhone 4 being the first time since some people want to pretend the first instance of something doesn't establish anything).
Here's how it has been so far.
iPhone: generation
iPhone 3G: telephony
iPhone 3GS: speed
iPhone 4: generation
iPhone 4S: speed
There's no "square, triangle, circle, square, triangle, circle" methodology to the 'pattern', but there were three naming conventions in the pool from which to draw. So for the 6th one, from that it could've logically been "iPhone 6" for generation or "iPhone 4G" for telephony, simply because speed has not been used twice in a row.
This will be the funnest iPhone ever.
Not really. The naming convention has been:
- iPhone
- iPhone 3G
- iPhone 3GS
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iPhone 4
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iPhone 4S
Apple, as far as I can tell has never categorized a newer iteration of the iPhone as the next 'generation'. Many others may have, but not Apple.
If anything, the iPhone 4S, for a lot of us was a special release, in honor for Steve. Earlier than desired. But so was his death.
I don't or never had looked at the 4S as new generation, but more of a breed within itself. Thus the 'S' (was for me) meant 'Steve'. Not 5. IMO.

All those leaks with the two tone back looked pretty real, so I'm anticipating no surprises on the appearance. I hope the internals come as a surprise then, another year with the dual Cortex A9 cores would be meh, and seeing as it won't have significantly more pixels to push then the 4s like the new iPad does the die area used on the MP4 graphics would be better spent on better processing.
I'm of a like mind when it comes to the SoC. Using the A5X doesn't make any sense, as the main change from the A5 was additional on-die GPUs and those aren't needed for the iPhone X (copyright 2012 Focher). I'm not sure that additional cores make much sense either, but I'm not familiar with how heavily threaded iPhone apps are at this point. Perhaps there are some Cortex enhancements around execution speeds (including clock increases) that make more sense. It would be strange for Apple to just reuse the A5 but an A6 in the iPhone goes against precedence. The new GPU has, so far, always appeared in the iPad first. But that could change ...
Do you actually have the rights to do this from AI, even if you wanted to??
So why is this brilliant, revolutionary and magical? What has Apple figured out that they've been missing all these years? I'll suggest one explanation: the mini-jack is starting to go the way of so many Apple ports and peripherals - and the end of the 30 pin dock is part of the same trend - get all holes in the thing smaller, minimized, out of the way and not disturbing the aesthetic. We got Bluetooth, AirPlay, etc., e.g., so earbuds and other physical connections to speakers begin to be superfluous. Like Firewire, and many of the pins on the old connector.
You don't even have to plug into a computer to sync now - and inductive charging seems a no-brainer for a future model - leading to a device which would then seldom have to EVER be physically connected to ANYTHING.
Anyway, my two cents - 'cos moving that port there certainly adds NO functionality and does move further to Apple's Zen-like focus on minimalism

There have been so many leaks on this I wonder what they could possibly do to surprise people.
I find myself more interested by the Nokia event this week if I'm being honest. They're making the most beautiful phones out there, and Windows Phone remains the most modern thinking and original mobile OS. Obviously nobody is going to buy it, but still, I like to see new things. The same old from Apple and Google is getting rather dull.
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I think you're implying that in editing an original post, the mod would be doing it to change the position of a poster. If I'm wrong on that, let me know.
I can't imagine a site would want that to happen, much less give leave to have it done. That's not what I have done. When it's just an offhand comment and not having anything to do with the argument at hand, occasionally I'd change it if I was then referencing multiple generations of phone. To my recollection (ha!), I didn't do anything as petty as change it in quoted posts when the topic at hand WAS the name itself. If I'm wrong on that, also let me know so that I can go flog myself.
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'It's almost here:' Apple announces 'iPhone 5' event for Sept. 12
Good News
Perfect timing. Our 3-year contract with Rogers just revolved, so my son will get the 4 which I passed down to my wife when I got the 4S last year. So everyone will by happy, particularly me.
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Our son is thinking of moving out. Hopefully not before the 5 arrives. Otherwise, my wife will not allow me to upgrade for another year.
Possibly More Bad News
If the headphone jack is moved to the bottom, or the size changes, the 5 may not fit my TomTom Car Kit.
Wishing Good News
Christmas is coming. Hopefully, TomTom will have resolved the previous issue in time and the family has been happy with my generosity.
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