FBI refutes claims of hacked agency laptop, Apple UDID database - Page 2

How will you ever find out? 

No, the most likely is that they themselves setup a honeypot app, or batch of apps and harvested the info themselves. Remember up until like a year ago devos could use the UDID in their apps.

As for the FBI part, that could be a flat out lie

This was tweeted by the FBI Press Office.

That was before that no evidence statement. Also the following tweet was from Antisec. So the ultimate source for the list is likely an app.

Comprimising your personal data? There is an app for that!

http://allthingsd.com/20120904/fbi-says-antisec-hackers-lied-about-list-of-iphone-id-numbers/

I don't get why everyone hates Anonymous, they're HELPING us keep the government in their place. the government shouldn't be allowed to spy on it's citizens period.

 

Who will watch the watchers?

Or the Government paid off the staff to write that article to cover their asses.

Thank God we have Anonymous.

Even if the FBI had, for whatever reason, acquired those data, they would have been treated as sensitive information and would not have been put on a laptop. That story doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, if they were acquired by AntiSec by some other means, what a great opportunity to spread FUD by claiming they got them from the FBI.

Becuase the FBI gives a shit about protecting the data they're stealing to begin with. -_-

 

To protect a program - yes, of course they would. You really have no idea how this stuff works, do you?

Herp derp, I have no idea about anything. I just spew random bullshit all day.

 

Oh - in that case you're doing just fine.

Like Suddenly Newton asked,"Who will watch the watchers?" Who watches Anonymous? just because you don't trust the government, doesn't mean that you can trust an entity of unknown quality. Sure it would be nice to believe, but there is so much disagreement everywhere - this forum is a good example - what makes you think their stated policies are in agreement with your beliefs? What makes you think everyone in that group will not stray from the stated policies? If you think the government is dangerous, just think how dangerous a unrestrained stranger can be. I understand your frustration, but how can you put your trust in an unknown? The fact that you have a common enemy doesn't make them your friend - think FDR, Stalin, and Hitler if you doubt this.

Wow! Holy cow! Please do some reading...

You may want to start with the 'Patriot Act'. The USA PATRIOT Act bill was passed on October 26, 2001. It stands for uniting and stregnthining america by providing appropriate tools required to intercept and obstruct terrorism. It's actually an acronym.

It gives the government the right to do what they need/want with any of us.

Due to the fact that they included domestic terrorism meant that it was basically an amendment to the Bill of Rights stating that they do not work for you anymore if the government so chooses.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you, but you're more than fashionably late to the party. I was still being schooled when 9/11 happened and the 'think tank' even then knew what it was for.

Sorry for the lengthy post. Hit a nerve I suppose...

I read this after I made my last post. My fault totally. I have gotten so used to learning here that I forgot the other 99%.

Edit: I'm sorry for the insult, but I'm not taking it down. You're response just epitomized the look I get from guys my age when I try to have a conversation with them.
Edited by Vadania - 9/4/12 at 11:42pm

I agree, but you might be getting the F.B.I. confused with other, more clandestine agencies.

Dunno if it is funny or scary to have rationally more trust in a bunch of anonymous activist hackers than the 'organized crime does not exist' FBI with its long documented history of deception... This 'there is no proof' defense is really worthy of contempt and is hardly satisfactory...
Edited by Sensi - 9/5/12 at 1:23am

Either one is possible. They both have popular apps and a tendency to hand information over to the government.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-06-27/industries/30790618_1_user-data-google-online-video-service
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_us_government_spies_use_facebook.php
Edited by Wovel - 9/5/12 at 5:26am

Random theory:

The reason the FBI had this list is that they're investigating an ad agency/network that has been tracking this information. Or someone has been trying to sell this list?

 

 

Not that I'm trying to defend the FBI, I just think something doesn't add up.  A massive csv list just doesn't seem to make sense... if they were using it internally, would it not be in some sort of database to make it more searchable and editable?   A csv sounds more like a crude dump of data.

 

Also like people mentioned, wouldn't the FBI be interested in IMEI numbers too?

 

Not sure what you are getting at, but no, I'm not confusing them.

Are people really thanking AntiSec for hacking this laptop and then distributing the personal information over the Internet so that anyone who has any ounce of ability can gather it and use it. Yeah, thanks guys, thanks a whole lot...

wouldn't it be funny if Google's ad network was the source?

They did not distribute personal information found among the csv file, they removed it...

 

 

Precisely. That demand was a consistent theme throughout this thread and other forums. The impossibility of the demand was lost on all of them.

What can people do with a device name and UDID number? Nothing. and by doing this, they're showing the world what the FBI's up to. Think of it this way, there are hackers that make iOS exploits, so Apple will close them right? Anonymous is doing the same, except with RL agencies. and in the process they're illuminating the lies.