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post #41 of 66
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Oh, yeah. I'm certainly giving any portion of my UDID to that text field… lol.gif

 

If they didn't get it before, they'll get it now!

How will you ever find out? lol.gif

post #42 of 66
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Originally Posted by Inkling View Post

The most likely scenario is that the NSA had that data, perhaps with Apple's assistance, .

No, the most likely is that they themselves setup a honeypot app, or batch of apps and harvested the info themselves. Remember up until like a year ago devos could use the UDID in their apps.

As for the FBI part, that could be a flat out lie
post #43 of 66
This was tweeted by the FBI Press Office.
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Statement soon on reports that one of our laptops with personal info was hacked. We never had info in question. Bottom Line: TOTALLY FALSE

That was before that no evidence statement. Also the following tweet was from Antisec. So the ultimate source for the list is likely an app.
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People whose UDID was on the list released by AntiSec might want to compare their installed apps. A common culprit might be found.

Comprimising your personal data? There is an app for that!

http://allthingsd.com/20120904/fbi-says-antisec-hackers-lied-about-list-of-iphone-id-numbers/
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I don't get why everyone hates Anonymous, they're HELPING us keep the government in their place. the government shouldn't be allowed to spy on it's citizens period.

post #45 of 66
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I don't get why everyone hates Anonymous, they're HELPING us keep the government in their place. the government shouldn't be allowed to spy on it's citizens period.

 

Who will watch the watchers?

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post #46 of 66
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This was tweeted by the FBI Press Office.
That was before that no evidence statement. Also the following tweet was from Antisec. So the ultimate source for the list is likely an app.
Comprimising your personal data? There is an app for that!
http://allthingsd.com/20120904/fbi-says-antisec-hackers-lied-about-list-of-iphone-id-numbers/

Or the Government paid off the staff to write that article to cover their asses.

post #47 of 66
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

 

Who will watch the watchers?

Thank God we have Anonymous.

post #48 of 66

Even if the FBI had, for whatever reason, acquired those data, they would have been treated as sensitive information and would not have been put on a laptop. That story doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, if they were acquired by AntiSec by some other means, what a great opportunity to spread FUD by claiming they got them from the FBI.

post #49 of 66
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Even if the FBI had, for whatever reason, acquired those data, they would have been treated as sensitive information and would not have been put on a laptop. That story doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, if they were acquired by AntiSec by some other means, what a great opportunity to spread FUD by claiming they got them from the FBI.

Becuase the FBI gives a shit about protecting the data they're stealing to begin with. -_-

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Even if the FBI had, for whatever reason, acquired those data, they would have been treated as sensitive information and would not have been put on a laptop. That story doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, if they were acquired by AntiSec by some other means, what a great opportunity to spread FUD by claiming they got them from the FBI.

Becuase the FBI gives a shit about protecting the data they're stealing to begin with. -_-

 

To protect a program - yes, of course they would. You really have no idea how this stuff works, do you?

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To protect a program - yes, of course they would. You really have no idea how this stuff works, do you?

Herp derp, I have no idea about anything. I just spew random bullshit all day.

post #52 of 66
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To protect a program - yes, of course they would. You really have no idea how this stuff works, do you?

Herp derp, I have no idea about anything. I just spew random bullshit all day.

 

Oh - in that case you're doing just fine.

post #53 of 66
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Originally Posted by marcusj0015 View Post

Thank God we have Anonymous.
Like Suddenly Newton asked,"Who will watch the watchers?" Who watches Anonymous? just because you don't trust the government, doesn't mean that you can trust an entity of unknown quality. Sure it would be nice to believe, but there is so much disagreement everywhere - this forum is a good example - what makes you think their stated policies are in agreement with your beliefs? What makes you think everyone in that group will not stray from the stated policies? If you think the government is dangerous, just think how dangerous a unrestrained stranger can be. I understand your frustration, but how can you put your trust in an unknown? The fact that you have a common enemy doesn't make them your friend - think FDR, Stalin, and Hitler if you doubt this.

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post #54 of 66
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I don't get why everyone hates Anonymous, they're HELPING us keep the government in their place. the government shouldn't be allowed to spy on it's citizens period.

Wow! Holy cow! Please do some reading...

You may want to start with the 'Patriot Act'. The USA PATRIOT Act bill was passed on October 26, 2001. It stands for uniting and stregnthining america by providing appropriate tools required to intercept and obstruct terrorism. It's actually an acronym.

It gives the government the right to do what they need/want with any of us.

Due to the fact that they included domestic terrorism meant that it was basically an amendment to the Bill of Rights stating that they do not work for you anymore if the government so chooses.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you, but you're more than fashionably late to the party. I was still being schooled when 9/11 happened and the 'think tank' even then knew what it was for.

Sorry for the lengthy post. Hit a nerve I suppose...
post #55 of 66
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Originally Posted by marcusj0015 View Post

Herp derp, I have no idea about anything. I just spew random bullshit all day.

I read this after I made my last post. My fault totally. I have gotten so used to learning here that I forgot the other 99%.

Edit: I'm sorry for the insult, but I'm not taking it down. You're response just epitomized the look I get from guys my age when I try to have a conversation with them.
Edited by Vadania - 9/4/12 at 11:42pm
post #56 of 66
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

To protect a program - yes, of course they would. You really have no idea how this stuff works, do you?

I agree, but you might be getting the F.B.I. confused with other, more clandestine agencies.
post #57 of 66
Dunno if it is funny or scary to have rationally more trust in a bunch of anonymous activist hackers than the 'organized crime does not exist' FBI with its long documented history of deception... This 'there is no proof' defense is really worthy of contempt and is hardly satisfactory...
Edited by Sensi - 9/5/12 at 1:23am
post #58 of 66
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Originally Posted by Vadania View Post

Supposedly from a stolen laptop computer. That seems pretty simple and not really what i would consider to be a hack. The more profound question is how did the F.B.I. Get the information? Google? Facebook?

Either one is possible. They both have popular apps and a tendency to hand information over to the government.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-06-27/industries/30790618_1_user-data-google-online-video-service
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_us_government_spies_use_facebook.php
Edited by Wovel - 9/5/12 at 5:26am
post #59 of 66

Random theory:

The reason the FBI had this list is that they're investigating an ad agency/network that has been tracking this information. Or someone has been trying to sell this list?

 

 

Not that I'm trying to defend the FBI, I just think something doesn't add up.  A massive csv list just doesn't seem to make sense... if they were using it internally, would it not be in some sort of database to make it more searchable and editable?   A csv sounds more like a crude dump of data.

 

Also like people mentioned, wouldn't the FBI be interested in IMEI numbers too?

post #60 of 66
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To protect a program - yes, of course they would. You really have no idea how this stuff works, do you?

I agree, but you might be getting the F.B.I. confused with other, more clandestine agencies.

 

Not sure what you are getting at, but no, I'm not confusing them.

post #61 of 66
Are people really thanking AntiSec for hacking this laptop and then distributing the personal information over the Internet so that anyone who has any ounce of ability can gather it and use it. Yeah, thanks guys, thanks a whole lot...
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post #62 of 66

wouldn't it be funny if Google's ad network was the source?

post #63 of 66
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Are people really thanking AntiSec for hacking this laptop and then distributing the personal information over the Internet so that anyone who has any ounce of ability can gather it and use it. Yeah, thanks guys, thanks a whole lot...
They did not distribute personal information found among the csv file, they removed it...
post #64 of 66
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Originally Posted by mcarling View Post

The FBI has denied it, but the FBI has not refuted anything.  To refute the claims, the FBI would need evidence showing that the claims are false.  The FBI seems to have no such evidence.

 

How is it possible to provide evidence of the negative?  It isn't because negative evidence does not exist.   Not saying anything about this particular data set one way or the other, but your statement is totally unsatisfiable.
 
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post #65 of 66
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Originally Posted by mcarling View Post

The FBI has denied it, but the FBI has not refuted anything.  To refute the claims, the FBI would need evidence showing that the claims are false.  The FBI seems to have no such evidence.

 

How is it possible to provide evidence of the negative?  It isn't because negative evidence does not exist.   Not saying anything about this particular data set one way or the other, but your statement is totally unsatisfiable.
 

 

Precisely. That demand was a consistent theme throughout this thread and other forums. The impossibility of the demand was lost on all of them.

post #66 of 66
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Are people really thanking AntiSec for hacking this laptop and then distributing the personal information over the Internet so that anyone who has any ounce of ability can gather it and use it. Yeah, thanks guys, thanks a whole lot...

What can people do with a device name and UDID number? Nothing. and by doing this, they're showing the world what the FBI's up to. Think of it this way, there are hackers that make iOS exploits, so Apple will close them right? Anonymous is doing the same, except with RL agencies. and in the process they're illuminating the lies.
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