Mitt Romney is Going to Win - Page 24

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Originally Posted by SDW2001 

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Originally Posted by Omega 

Yay, back on the first page! And bumped by the person who really should let things lie. Says a lot about the OP and the grandiose claim.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Says a lot about you--calling someone stupid for getting something wrong. Your post has been reported. Good day.

But SDW you're always calling someone something.

Plenty of evidence for that.

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Originally Posted by SDW2001 


Says a lot about you--calling someone stupid for getting something wrong. Your post has been reported. Good day.

Oh noes!

Despite claims to the contrary, Romney's giant lie about Jeep remains a giant lie.  The first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.  It's time to finally admit that Romney's campaign was hugely fucking dishonest.

Happy anniversary.

Everything about Romney's campaign was crooked and not on the level.he is good and corrupt himself.He is ashamed to be seen in public as you have noticed lately.
 

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Originally Posted by tonton 


Except that you'll never know it wasn't.

How important is this to you, really? More important than Obama expanding Bush's policies that ignore the 14th Amendment? Less important?

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Two wrongs don't make a right, but if you have to know, yes, tax policy is more important to me at this time. Had Romney released his tax returns, not only would it have killed the Republicans entirely, it would have had massive repercussions on tax policy. Massive. We wouldn't have been debating as we are now whether to close loopholes. We would have done it.

Good to know where your priorities are.

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Originally Posted by jazzguru 

Good to know where your priorities are.

Please tell me you're not surprised by this. This is typical of Democrats: Always concerned with how to get more of other people's money.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

 

Please tell me you're not surprised by this. This is typical of Democrats: Always concerned with how to get more of other people's money.

And unconcerned about using violence to get it.

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Originally Posted by jazzguru 

And unconcerned about using violence to get it.

Or the violence it funds, so it seems. The big issues here, now, today is that a guy who is NOT president of the US (or has any official political power at all) hasn't released all of his private financial information. Priorities indeed. 

Tu quoque as a defense.  Classic SDW proving he has learned nothing from the Romney campaign.

Oh, and by the way...

mis·lead  

A wrong idea or impression.  You know, lying.

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Originally Posted by tonton 


Examples? Name one from yesterday. One from the day before. Or... go ahead and name two days in a row any time since Obama's inauguration that he has "lied on a daily basis". Just two days to show that its continuous and daily as you claim. Or maybe what you've stated here is a lie on your own accord.
Again example. Let's give Bush the benefit of the doubt and say (exaggeratedly) that his damage was fixed in a year. How has Obama damaged the nation financially since the end of his first year in office? Give specific examples, quoting whatever indicators you like.

I think we will just have to say that your challenge went unmet!

Fast and Furious.

'Nuff said.

Another month and still no change from Republicans.  Boehner lies about the House having sequester replacements passed (they did for the old congress, but they were void as soon as the new congress started).  Ann Romney blames the media for Mitt's failures.  Mitt still blames "the 47%" who want "free stuff".  

Ryan submitted an awesome budget that might get the deficit fixed for a while (at least on paper in GOP land), until the impact of the policies rotted the country from within.

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Ryan submitted an awesome budget that might get the deficit fixed for a while (at least on paper in GOP land), until the impact of the policies rotted the country from within.

The country is already rotting from within. No help needed from Ryan.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

At least one think tank has estimated that the Ryan budget would eliminate 2 million jobs in 2014 alone. Anyone who thinks that makes no difference to a country that is "already rotting from within" needs a little wake up call.

Which think tank? Link? Are we to simply assume that the think tank you're referring to has estimates that are correct or might they be incorrect? Even biased? And, thus, are we then to simply accept your conclusion (derived from begging the question) that "Anyone who thinks that makes no difference to a country that is "already rotting from within" needs a little wake up call."?

EPI. Yes, it's left leaning, having a mission statement emphasizing fair wages and working conditions for poor people. But so what?

Meanwhile, TPC estimates that the tax cuts in the Ryan budget would add 4.5 trillion to the deficit over 10 years.

But of course you're going to say that both those analyses are wrong.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

EPI. Yes, it's left leaning, having a mission statement emphasizing fair wages and working conditions for poor people. But so what?

 

Meanwhile, TPC estimates that the tax cuts in the Ryan budget would add 4.5 trillion to the deficit over 10 years.

 

But of course you're going to say that both those analyses are wrong.

No. What I'm going to say that until I read their estimates and understand what assumptions are embedded in them I don't know if their biases may be adversely affecting their estimates or whether their estimates are flawed or not. What I'm going to say is that I don't simply blindly accept the estimates/analysis without further investigation of them.

At this point you're simply guilty of confirmation bias here.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

EPI. Yes, it's left leaning, having a mission statement emphasizing fair wages and working conditions for poor people. But so what?

 

Meanwhile, TPC estimates that the tax cuts in the Ryan budget would add 4.5 trillion to the deficit over 10 years.

 

But of course you're going to say that both those analyses are wrong.

And suddenly you're concerned about adding to the deficit? After trillions have been added to it under Obama?

Trillions were added to the deficit under Obama to fix Bush's mess. Are you still trying to deny that?

The Ryan budget is being sold to the public as a means specifically to REDUCE the deficit. The fact that it does the opposite shows its true colors as simply a scheme to make the rich richer at the expense of the middle class and poor, with NO BENEFIT or a NEGATIVE BENEFIT to the deficit. Doesn't that concern you if true?

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

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Originally Posted by tonton 

EPI. Yes, it's left leaning, having a mission statement emphasizing fair wages and working conditions for poor people. But so what?

 

Meanwhile, TPC estimates that the tax cuts in the Ryan budget would add 4.5 trillion to the deficit over 10 years.

 

But of course you're going to say that both those analyses are wrong.

 

 

No. What I'm going to say that until I read their estimates and understand what assumptions are embedded in them I don't know if their biases may be adversely affecting their estimates or whether their estimates are flawed or not. What I'm going to say is that I don't simply blindly accept the estimates/analysis without further investigation of them.

 

At this point you're simply guilty of confirmation bias here.

Fair enough. Let us know what you find wrong with these analyses.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Fair enough. Let us know what you find wrong with these analyses.

When I actually see them, I will. So far all that you've posted is a blog post stating what their estimates are and the results of their analysis with little (if any) in-depth explanations of how they arrived at them.

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Trillions were added to the deficit under Obama to fix Bush's mess. Are you still trying to deny that?

Are you still trying to claim that?

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Trillions were added to the deficit under Obama to fix Bush's mess. Are you still trying to deny that?

 

The Ryan budget is being sold to the public as a means specifically to REDUCE the deficit. The fact that it does the opposite shows its true colors as simply a scheme to make the rich richer at the expense of the middle class and poor, with NO BENEFIT or a NEGATIVE BENEFIT to the deficit. Doesn't that concern you if true?

I believe Ryan budget does nothing to address the fundamental problems. So of course it concerns me. But Obama has clearly done nothing to address the fundamental problems either, and you conveniently blame it on his predecessor (who also did nothing to address the fundamental problems).

You lament that the rich will become richer and the poor have become poorer under the Ryan budget, yet that very thing has happened under Obama and he gets a free pass. It makes absolutely no sense.

I can't believe you guys are still arguing over the election.    Or even any of the pre- or post- election issues.   It's obvious that you're never going to agree.    

My ex leans one way and I lean completely the opposite way.    I was at her house and another common friend of ours was there arguing politics with them.    My ex said to me, "how come you never argue about politics when you're here?"   I said, "first of all, I'm a guest in your house.     And secondly, am I going to change your mind?"  She said, "no".   I said, "then why would I waste my time arguing?"

Liberal Democrats and Ultra-Conservative Republicans have a completely different view of the universe.    (And I use "Liberal" in the broadest possible sense because I don't see Obama as a liberal.   He only seems that way as compared to the Tea Party right, but he's definitely right of center.)   I would guess that their brains don't even function in the same way; certainly their psychological makeup is far different, although they all seek power.    Because they have such a different view of the universe, they're never going to agree.  Furthermore, newer members of Congress don't seem to recognize the fact that Congress itself was created out of a compromise, which is how we wound up with two houses.    Unless one party dominates, nothing can be accomplished unless there is compromise.   The far right refuses to compromise and the left gets criticized when they do.     So for a number of years, we have had a "do-nothing Congress".    They should ALL be ashamed as should the people who voted for these clowns.       

But there is one thing that is a clear fact.   Obama won the election for a second time and Republicans have lost the popular vote in five out of the last six presidential elections.   If Republicans don't change and appeal to more people, they are going to be marginalized in Presidential elections whether you believe they have a better plan for the country or not.   House elections are a different matter because they're so localized, so in those elections, Republicans can appeal to a conservative base and still win.    The problem is that a Democratic executive branch and a Republican House means that nothing gets done. 

The other factor is that while the deficit is still very large and will be for the foreseeable future, this really doesn't impact people on a day-to-day basis.  What does impact people are prices, employment and taxes.    And the fact is that the economy is actually improving.    Unemployment is falling and home prices and housing starts are rising.   And for all the crying, corporate profits are at an all time high.    While there are few jobs for unskilled workers except in low-paying jobs in the service industry, there are plenty of jobs for highly skilled technology workers.    (Of course, workers are still getting screwed in that real wages haven't increased, but they've been getting screwed for 30 years across both Republican and Democratic administrations.)    About a week before Bush left office at the end of 2008, the Dow was at 8776.   It's at 14,400 today.    In spite of the deficit, that's going to make it harder for a Republican to make a case for conservative economics.    

The other factor is that with the baby boomer population aging, they're going to be reluctant to give up the benefits they've already paid for.    So someone who has paid in $200K over 40 years into Social Security and Medicare are not going to support politicians who are ready to take away those benefits.   And the baby boomer population is the largest portion of the population.     So Republicans will have to make a better case to reduce those benefits if they want to win elections.   That's going to be very hard to do.   About the only thing they might be able to accomplish is means testing, but it's going to have to be a much higher number than they've been talking about.    Social Security beneficiaries already have to pay taxes on some SS earnings at very modest income levels.   

So in my view, if conservative Republicans stick to "principles", they'll continue to win elections in the House and some elections in the Senate, but they'll never win the Presidency.    They have to decide what kind of party they want to be:  a doctrinaire party or one that appeals to the greatest number of people.     I don't think the current crop of Tea Party Republicans would even let Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan or Bush I in the party.   Those presidential winners could never get past a Republican primary these days.   

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Originally Posted by tonton 

Trillions were added to the deficit under Obama to fix Bush's mess. Are you still trying to deny that?

Trillions were added to the debt because the incompetent current administration decided to spend money faster than it could account for it.

No-one really knows where all that money truly went. As I've said before, Obama spent enough to fix every bridge in America, or build a new university and hospital in every state of the union. That would have, at least, accomplished something.

Mittens, the guy who was given so much air time by Fox before the election (when he shunned other media outlets), was ignored by his former campaign headquarters at CPAC: they didn't show any of his speech.

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Originally Posted by BR 

Another month and still no change from Republicans.  Boehner lies about the House having sequester replacements passed (they did for the old congress, but they were void as soon as the new congress started).  Ann Romney blames the media for Mitt's failures.  Mitt still blames "the 47%" who want "free stuff".  

 

Hey look over there...the GOP is terrible and Romney lost! What? What's that....Obama has show himself to be the most inept, incompetent and dishonest President we've ever had? We're $16.5 Trillion debt? The world is on fire? Many on both sides of aisle condemned his AG for not ruling out killing U.S. citizens on American soil with drones in the absence of an imminent threat? He ran around the country screaming about the sequester and canceled White House tours while giving Morsi $250 million at the same time? Shhhh! Don't look over there.

 Don't you just love sour grapes!!!! And oh yes he's " Screaming about sequester "  Oh brother! Pssst! Someone let SDW know the election's over. The voters have spoken and his side the one he was soooooo sure ( I mean he was a dead man walking right? ) would win ) lost! Just one more time ok?

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 Don't you just love sour grapes!!!!  And oh yes he's " Screaming about sequester "  Oh brother! Pssst! Someone let SDW know the election's over. The voters have spoken and his side the one he was soooooo sure ( I mean he was a dead man walking right? ) would win ) lost! Just one more time ok?

You're such a sad man. The nation is going down the shitter, and you're gloating. The President is lying, dividing us, bankrupting the nation, avoiding any and all responsiblty, violating civil liberties, breaking the law, intimidating Benghazi survivors, appointing idiotic pro-Iran and anti-Israeli cabinet members and generally wrecking everything in sight. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is either silent or gloating right along with you. And the GOP is no better. The country is totally screwed in so many ways right now, and you're gloating. This is exactly why I haven't been around for a few months. There is no real dicussion happening. There is only partisan bullshit. So ends our Republic, riddled with debt and corruption, sucked dry of its resources and national will by the deliberate encouragement of dependency, tyranny and moral decay. Sad, really.

I'll tell you what's sad. Someone who is wrong so much of the time on this forum and still hasn't learned a thing.

Translation : Things aren't going too well for conservative extremophiles. As a matter of fact they're kind of becoming an endangered species.

Kind of ironic. All the things you're harping about many of us were seeing in the previous president. That didn't seem to bother you at the time. and just look where he left us! Well as they say the proofs in the pudding SDW. I'd be willing to bet Obama won't be leaving office with a huge mess on our hands to clean up after. We will probably have debt for a long time but where did that all start again? 

Et tu Brut? Then fall Caesar!^{[  Yes folks with a Democrat in the Whitehouse we're all doomed. Only a Teapublican can save us!}

 Wow! Well it's all over SDW you might as well move to another country then!

Meanwhile back to reality..........

 It's ok SDW. It's not the end. Just an end to the Teapublicans and the smoke and mirrors brigade.