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Both Nokia and Google-owned Motorola Mobility are holding events today to introduce new products, just a week before Apple is expected to introduce its next-generation iPhone.

The events from Motorola and Nokia are being staged at the "worst time," in the eyes of analyst Brian White with Topeka Capital Markets. Joining them will be HTC, which has an event scheduled for Sept. 19, one week after Apple's event.

"Ultimately, we believe Nokia, Motorola and HTC will regret launching important new smartphones at the same time as the world's most anticipated consumer electronics launch ever, the iPhone 5," White wrote in a note to investors on Wednesday.

He expects that most of the smartphones unveiled this month by Apple's competitors will have expected features like larger screen sizes, faster chips and high-speed 4G LTE data connectivity. But without Apple's "vertically integrated digital grid," White doesn't think competing companies will have much of a chance against the new iPhone.

"Apple offers the ability for seamless connections across devices which has differentiated the company's digital grid, and this experience has improved markedly with the introduction of iCloud," he wrote.

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And while competing brands like Nokia, Motorola, HTC and Research in Motion have seen their brands deteriorate, Apple's continues to strengthen. Because of that, White said he wouldn't be surprised if HTC, Nokia and RIM are no longer standalone companies in the next 18 to 24 months.

Interest in Apple's next iPhone is at a fever pitch after the company sent out invitations on Tuesday to a media event next week. The company is expected to unveil the "iPhone 5" in its keynote presentation at San Francisco's Yerba Buena Center for the Arts at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern.
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I'm sure the timing was just a coincidence. /s

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Surely the worst time would be the day before the world ends?

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It's unlikely that either Nokia watchers (WP7/WP8) or Motorola Watchers (Android) would be affected by the Apple conference though.  The only people who might care are those who might be swayed FROM Apple, and if that's the case I doubt a new iPhone will change their minds that much.

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The 9/12 date was rumored for a long time.  I think this was planned with the iPhone announcement in mind--of course, to attract Apple-haters with a fresh alternative.  Kinda smart.

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Surely the worst time would be the day before the world ends?

For these companies there world could end very soon.
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Comments from a financial analyst have nothing to do with whether a Moto (Android) or Windows mobile fan is on the fence - it's all about brand marketing and overall company prospects.  It's hard for any other company to compete with Apple's marketing prowess, at least as far as a single product is concerned.  Apple's integrated and complimentary systems and products to this day have not been challenged by any competitor and no other company is even showing signs that they'll be able to compete head to head any time soon.

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could it be... our product will not be noticed after the iPhone release?....

or our phones will pale in comparison to the iPhone... if released after the iPhone.

there is no time like the present
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Bahahaha, Epic Fail Moto/Nokia.

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FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

 

 Enough of them do.

 

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/17/the-iphone-4s-is-a-sirious-hit/

 

The iPhone is *the* big news of the industry, from mid-summer to release. Apple sneezes, everyone grabs a Kleenex.

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As someone who has used every iPhone since the 3G, I'm kind of excited to see what Nokia has to offer.  I've really not been pleased with Exchange integration in iOS.  As a heavy Outlook user at work, I am interested in what Nokia will bring to the table.  Kind of glad it's before the Apple announcement so I know what else is available before the pre-order of the iPhone!

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It's hard for any other company to compete with Apple's marketing prowess, at least as far as a single product is concerned.

I see it all the time - people talk about Apple's marketing as if that's the thing driving its sales. When the ONLY thing they have said with regards to marketing the iPhone 5 is "It's almost here". 

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FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

You're right. But at least in the US, most do.

 

Probably also true in the rest of the world but most can't afford it.

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Nokia and Motorola need new products out in time for the holidays, just like any consumer company does. They can hardly wait until January to announce these phones.

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The way the tech media is biased to big a** phones these days I don't think it's a 'worst time'.  If they come out with 4.5" phones And Apple does 4" the tech press will brand Apple's new phone a failure.  These days it seems nothing matters except how big the screen is.  Unless it's a tablet, then the screen size needs to be shrinking.  Because I guess people need 5" phones and 7" tablets.

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I dont agree. they will get more media attention by doing it before than after.

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The way the tech media is biased to big a** phones these days I don't think it's a 'worst time'.  If they come out with 4.5" phones And Apple does 4" the tech press will brand Apple's new phone a failure.  These days it seems nothing matters except how big the screen is.  Unless it's a tablet, then the screen size needs to be shrinking.  Because I guess people need 5" phones and 7" tablets.

 

Actually I would love a 12" to 15" tablet. Hope Apple are the first to come out with an ipad XL. There is a market for multiple size tablets, depending on youre need.  On the go a 7" tablet makes sense, but if the tablet is always used at home, it could be bigger than 10".

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The 9/12 date was rumored for a long time.  I think this was planned with the iPhone announcement in mind--of course, to attract Apple-haters with a fresh alternative.  Kinda smart.


Just because someone chooses something over an iPhone, doesn't make them an "Apple hater". It's this kind of rhetoric that actually makes people hate Apple users,

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post #20 of 96
well from a competitive standpoint its a REALLY BOLD move...

Think of it this way... You release a phone with 4" screen, 4g/LTE, 8mp camera, 32gb ram, AND wireless charging.
Then Apple releases similar but no charging.

If significant enough,consumers WILL question their purchase.
Because a bulk of iphone users aren't Apple fans. Just consumers.
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You're right. But at least in the US, most do.

 

Probably also true in the rest of the world but most can't afford it.

Exactly right. Moreover, that troll's comment (as usual) misses the obvious point of the article: there are eleven other calendar months....

 

Pathetic little copycats.

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All I know is the Lumia 920 is looking sexy as hell right now...I hope against all logic that Nokia hands these badboys out at 6pm when I go to the public event in NYC!!!
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Just because someone chooses something over an iPhone, doesn't make them an "Apple hater". It's this kind of rhetoric that actually makes people hate Apple users,

You're right that someone choosing something else doesn't make them one, but he is talking about Apple-haters.... of which, there's plenty crawling around.

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Exactly right. Moreover, that troll's comment (as usual) misses the obvious point of the article: there are eleven other calendar months....

Pathetic little copycats.

Nokia and Motorola's events were announced BEFORE the iPhone announcement was known.

Are you suggesting they are psychic as well?
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All I know is the Lumia 920 is looking sexy as hell right now...

I can't believe that I am agreeing with you, but the new phones do look quite beautiful.

 

Too bad that their ecosystem sucks (⇒ failure).

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Nokia and Motorola's events were announced BEFORE the iPhone announcement was known.
Are you suggesting they are psychic as well?

No, just obvious business semi-intelligence.

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I can't believe that I am agreeing with you, but the new phones do look quite beautiful.

Too bad that their ecosystem sucks (⇒ failure).

yea that's my biggest issue...I can't see myself buying one...but I'd love to own one.

At this point there are only two ecosystems worth a damn as of 9/5/2012 and they are the only two I could see myself choosing between with my wallet.

and sheesh the longer this liveblog goes on the more I want this phone lol.

I have a big feeling Motorola is going to underwhelm so between now and next week I'm probably going to be longing for an iPhone 5 or a Lumia 920.
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It's unlikely that either Nokia watchers (WP7/WP8) or Motorola Watchers (Android) would be affected by the Apple conference though.  The only people who might care are those who might be swayed FROM Apple, and if that's the case I doubt a new iPhone will change their minds that much.

 

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FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

 

The fact is Nokia and Motorola announces don't generally hit the mainstream media, so only tech enthusiast websites carry the news. Apple announces are splashed all over CNN, ABC, NBC, and Fox (in the USA). So even if someone is a WP7/8 or Android lover that doesn't pay any attention to Apple, they'll still see the free publicity from mainstream media sites and channels.

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post #29 of 96

Would it be better to introduce one's new phones after the iPhone5? If you want to capitalize on holiday buying season, you have no choice - either launch just before Apple's events or after. What's lesser of the two evils? It's silly to criticize because there is simply no other option.

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

But most do. Sorry.

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I see it all the time - people talk about Apple's marketing as if that's the thing driving its sales. When the ONLY thing they have said with regards to marketing the iPhone 5 is "It's almost here". 

True. Apple isn't driving this prerelease hype - it's the rumor and speculation mill that has everyone talking.

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FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

 

No, not everyone cares about the new Phone. But apparently some people compelled enough to obsessively spend their posting on a website dedicated to products they claim to not care for and despise. I feel pity for these kinds people, as I can't imagine a life so empty/angry/meaningless that joy is derived from this, instead of spending time posting about things they actually enjoy. 

 

Good luck with that. 

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I dont agree. they will get more media attention by doing it before than after.

Because every news item about a new non-Apple phone release seems to automatically include a mention of the iPhone. It's similar to golf tournaments where Tiger Woods is playing. No matter how he's playing, there's an obligatory mention of him.

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I wonder how much this analyst was paid to state the obvious?*

 

 

 

 

 

 

* I'm in the wrong career, obviously

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"Ultimately, we believe Nokia, Motorola and HTC will regret launching important new smartphones at the same time as the world's most anticipated consumer electronics launch ever, the iPhone 5,"

Any time an iPhone is available as an alternative is a bad time to launch anything that's not an iPhone. I'd say it's probably their only chance to get so much as a passing glance - like hanging out with a celebrity.
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Originally Posted by allenbf View Post
* I'm in the wrong career, obviously

 

Well, you've stated the obvious pretty well right here; maybe you're in the right one! lol.gif

 

The logic behind the combination of those two sentences is deliciously twisted…

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The fact is Nokia and Motorola announces don't generally hit the mainstream media, so only tech enthusiast websites carry the news. Apple announces are splashed all over CNN, ABC, NBC, and Fox (in the USA). So even if someone is a WP7/8 or Android lover that doesn't pay any attention to Apple, they'll still see the free publicity from mainstream media sites and channels.

its like when Apple announced a new laptop no one cares because no one is buying them 5% of the market 10 yrs ago and 5% today.

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post #38 of 96
Gauging interest in the new wp8 and Nokia phones, specifically the 920, as an example.

The event is on right now, with all the goodies being talked about. It can only be watched if you have Silverlight or Windows Media.

Nokia started the day in the markets higher than yesterday, where it slid down. But shortly after the event started, the stock began rapidly slipping. As of a couple of minutes ago, real time, the stock was down about 11%.

-11%, people!

That shows a damning lack of confidence over these products. At worst, I expected the stock to move up by a couple of percent.
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Originally Posted by daylove22 View Post
its like when Apple announced a new laptop no one cares because no one is buying them 5% of the market 10 yrs ago and 5% today.

 

If you've nothing good to say about Apple, do you have any reason or right to be here?

 

More importantly, if you've no truth to say at all… 

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FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

 

I know how you react when people disagree with you so I'll probably regret this BUT...

 

You're technically correct.  My grandmother doesn't care about the iPhone, but I doubt very seriously that is the demographic you're referring to.  I have a coworker that doesn't care because he still uses a feature phone and refuses to pay for a data plan.  But neither of those people (or people like them) count.  Don't get me wrong.  I am not say my grandmother doesn't matter.  They're people and they matter, but my grandmother, my coworker, and people like them have opted out of the smart phone game for one reason or another.  It isn't that they don't care about the iPhone.  They just don't care about smart phones or data plans PERIOD.  It is their right and I don't criticize them for it.

 

I believe everyone that owns a smart phone or plans to own one cares about the "new(ish)" iPhone.  For different reasons and motivations, but they ALL care.  You even care because you took time to post how much people don't care.

 

Some people "care" because they seize the chance to point out what features were "ripped" out of Android.

Some people "care" so they can point out how Apple is once again limiting freedom.  

Some people care because they lap up anything Apple spits up and hang on every word they utter with anticipation and wonder.  

Some people care because they generally like the features the iPhone has and don't need all the headaches that Android's "freedom" provides (this is me by the way- been there done that).

Still others care because, like it or not, they realize Apple is a trend setter.  

 

FACT:  Every time a new iPhone is announced the Android blogs I follow discusses it in the days leading up to it.  Some live blog the event.  And they ALL publish the details of the announcement and provide their perspective on it.

 

When is the last time Apple Insider or any other Apple blog covered an Android phone in such detail? Or live blogged a Motorola event?

 

Face it, the industry cares about the iPhone, but that "care" doesn't always mean everyone is positive about the new iPhone.  The care ranges from obsessive to interest to journalistic to disdain.

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