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post #41 of 96
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Originally Posted by daylove22 View Post

its like when Apple announced a new laptop no one cares because no one is buying them 5% of the market 10 yrs ago and 5% today.

Yeah, 'no one s buying them'..

 

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Laptop/zgbs/pc/565108

 

Oh and how old are you, 9? Your sig is beyond idiotic. 

post #42 of 96
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

The way the tech media is biased to big a** phones these days I don't think it's a 'worst time'.  If they come out with 4.5" phones And Apple does 4" the tech press will brand Apple's new phone a failure.  These days it seems nothing matters except how big the screen is.  Unless it's a tablet, then the screen size needs to be shrinking.  Because I guess people need 5" phones and 7" tablets.

I notice this too. Like Josh from The Verge. His gadgets are an oversize phone and an undersize tablet. I really wonder about his taste.

post #43 of 96
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

 

FACT: No one here cares, for a second, about your non-debate/discussion-contributing trollish comments.

Why does Apple bashing and trolling make people feel so good?

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Why does Apple bashing and trolling make people feel so good?

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post #44 of 96
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

The way the tech media is biased to big a** phones these days[...]

 

Technically they're big face phones. ;-)

post #45 of 96

Doesn't it make sense to let the consumers know the products that will be available to them before a pre-order of the new iPhone is available?  If a consumer is aware that another device is coming out, they may hold off on the pre-order and wait to check out the other device when it's released.

 

I know this won't affect a large percentage of people, but this 920 announcement has me potentially holding off on an iPhone 5 pre-order.

post #46 of 96
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You're right that someone choosing something else doesn't make them one, but he is talking about Apple-haters.... of which, there's plenty crawling around.

 

Exactly.  Rational people will make a rational choice, but I think the timing is squarely focused on people who do not like the iPhone, and now they have fodder for their flaimbait next week after the announcement.

post #47 of 96
The market is really speaking today, with Nokia down by more than 14% right now.

It's really odd, but Microsoft is about even for the day. With the success tied up in the success of Nokia's product, you'd think that Microsoft's stock would be dropping a bit as well.

Interesting how they seem to be insulated from this debacle.
post #48 of 96
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The market is really speaking today, with Nokia down by more than 14% right now.
It's really odd, but Microsoft is about even for the day. With the success tied up in the success of Nokia's product, you'd think that Microsoft's stock would be dropping a bit as well.
Interesting how they seem to be insulated from this debacle.

Windows 8 and MS Office.

post #49 of 96
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Originally Posted by daylove22 View Post

its like when Apple announced a new laptop no one cares because no one is buying them 5% of the market 10 yrs ago and 5% today.

 

Macs set the bar in the industry. 

 

Unfortunately, not everyone can afford to play in the Apple ecosystem via a Mac. 

 

Constraints: Price. No licensing to OEMs.

 

Result:

 

 

 8 years running:

 

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/20/apple-tops-u-s-pc-customer-satisfaction-survey-for-eighth-consecutive-time/

 

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20108336-17/apple-tops-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-year/

 

 

Apple tops in customer satisfaction for 8th year
Once again, the company ranks first among PC makers, receiving a score of 87 out of 100 in the American Customer Satisfaction Index. HP follows in second place.
 
by Don Reisinger   September 19, 2011 9:02 PM PDT 
Macs reign supreme in ACSI's 2011 customer satisfaction study.
 
For the eighth year in a row, Apple's Macs have satisfied more customers than any other vendor's PCs.
The American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), which analyzes consumer feelings toward consumer electronics and appliances, among many other products, said today that Apple's Macs received a score of 87 on the index's 100-point scale measuring customer satisfaction regarding computers. The company's satisfaction score is up 1 percentage point compared to last year's tally, and up 18 percentage points from its low in 1998. What's more, Apple's 87 is the highest mark the company has received since 1995.
 
"In the eight years that Apple has led the PC industry in customer satisfaction, its stock price has increased by 2,300 percent," Claes Fornell, founder of the ACSI, said in a statement. "Apple's winning combination of innovation and product diversification--including spinning off technologies into entirely new directions--has kept the company consistently at the leading edge."
 
The ACSI's scale is a comprehensive evaluation of customer satisfaction. According to the company, it conducts about 70,000 interviews with customers each year to determine how they feel on a host of variables, including "perceived quality," "customer expectations," and "perceived value." The company also looks at customer loyalty and complaints. The index, produced by ACSI, was founded at the University of Michigan's business school.

 

 

 

 

 

Growth:

 

http://allthingsd.com/20110523/mac-sales-outpace-industry/

 

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_crushes_pc_market_with_28_growth_in_mac_sales/

 

http://www.cultofmac.com/139839/mac-market-share-continues-to-rise-while-pc-shipments-decline-report/

 

http://obamapacman.com/2011/06/mac-growth-beats-pc-industry-for-5-years/

post #50 of 96
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Windows 8 and MS Office.

I understand that. But wp8 is also a stalking horse for Win 8 and Win 8 tablets. If there is such a lack of confidence that wp8 will sell, and that's got to be what the market is saying right now, then it must be regarded as an indictator of what they think about Win 8 as well.

Remember that Win 8 has received poor reviews from just about everyone, other than a small handful of paid writers and bloggers, and a couple of people whose career is tied up in Microsoft's success.

This should be giving the investment community the jitters. Well, maybe it's a delayed reaction.

Ok, Nokia's doing much better right now, only down 11.7%.
post #51 of 96
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


I understand that. But wp8 is also a stalking horse for Win 8 and Win 8 tablets. If there is such a lack of confidence that wp8 will sell, and that's got to be what the market is saying right now, then it must be regarded as an indictator of what they think about Win 8 as well.
Remember that Win 8 has received poor reviews from just about everyone, other than a small handful of paid writers and bloggers, and a couple of people whose career is tied up in Microsoft's success.
This should be giving the investment community the jitters. Well, maybe it's a delayed reaction.

I think the market seeing Nokia as a one-trick pony, like their life depend on the cellphone business. But for Microsoft there will be new PCs, new tablets. A cellphone is just one part and it's always doing badly so it had affected the stock price already. I guess..

post #52 of 96

This article is very misleading. Any time is the 'worst time' to compete with the iPhone. But that doesn't mean companies should hold off from launching their products. Win 8 is coming next month, these companies have to announce the new phones now, or in the next couple weeks, which will be even worse after the iPhone announcement.

post #53 of 96

Nokia had just updated its website with Lumia 920 and most of its specs and features right here and its new video right here.

With already 100K apps, I think ithas reached that critical mass, and WP8 will survive...

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


Nokia and Motorola's events were announced BEFORE the iPhone announcement was known.
Are you suggesting they are psychic as well?
post #54 of 96
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

I think the market seeing Nokia as a one-trick pony, like their life depend on the cellphone business. But for Microsoft there will be new PCs, new tablets. A cellphone is just one part and it's always doing badly so it had affected the stock price already. I guess..

The problem is that wp8 has been regarded as a far better OS than the old wp7, which was based on CE, just as Win Mobile was. Nokia's Lumia phones, at least the 800 and 900 were though of as great pieces of hardware, for what they were. The new phones should be giving Nokia some boost here. But to be received like this by the markets is bewildering.

Maybe it will keep moving back up during the day, we'll see. But if not, this is a reall problem.

This is also extremely important to Microsoft. This uses the same kernel as Win 8 RT. They should run the same apps. It's all tied together. If this isn't a success, it's considered that Microsoft is out of the phone business, effectively. They could also be out of the ARm tablet business, and drag on any possible sales of x86 tablets, then desktops, etc.

So this does matter very much to Microsoft. Their whole future is dependent on this UI and the new underlying programming model. As all other phone ODM's have failed to sell Win Phone phones, including Samsung, Nokia is it for them.
post #55 of 96
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Originally Posted by LuxoM3 View Post

well from a competitive standpoint its a REALLY BOLD move...
Think of it this way... You release a phone with 4" screen, 4g/LTE, 8mp camera, 32gb ram, AND wireless charging.
Then Apple releases similar but no charging.
If significant enough,consumers WILL question their purchase.
Because a bulk of iphone users aren't Apple fans. Just consumers.

 

lol. 

 

Apple will implement 'wireless' charging when it's actually- you know- wireless. 

 

I fail to see the major advantage to this 'wireless' charging that requires a brick as large as the phone to be contact, which just happens to be slower than normal charging, and which adds internal complexity and bulk to the phone. There's nothing wireless about it. Yeah it's a neat gimmick, but beyond saving maybe 2 seconds a day plugging/unplugging the phone, serve no other advantage. I don't see Aple implementing a solution like this, it's simply a half way point and really non-elegant. 

post #56 of 96
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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post

This article is very misleading. Any time is the 'worst time' to compete with the iPhone. But that doesn't mean companies should hold off from launching their products. Win 8 is coming next month, these companies have to announce the new phones now, or in the next couple weeks, which will be even worse after the iPhone announcement.

Pretty much every article I'm reading, from financial sites, to business competing sites, are sayi g the same thing. That this is a very bad time to be introducing new phones. These companies don't have much choice though. They've got to introduce them before the holiday season begins. And it would be even worse just after Apple's even, as HTC is planning.

So this may not be THE worst time, but it's almost the worst time. Close enough.
post #57 of 96
So far they seem to be recovering a bit, now just under 10% down.
post #58 of 96
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


The problem is that wp8 has been regarded as a far better OS than the old wp7, which was based on CE, just as Win Mobile was. Nokia's Lumia phones, at least the 800 and 900 were though of as great pieces of hardware, for what they were. The new phones should be giving Nokia some boost here. But to be received like this by the markets is bewildering.
Maybe it will keep moving back up during the day, we'll see. But if not, this is a reall problem.
This is also extremely important to Microsoft. This uses the same kernel as Win 8 RT. They should run the same apps. It's all tied together. If this isn't a success, it's considered that Microsoft is out of the phone business, effectively. They could also be out of the ARm tablet business, and drag on any possible sales of x86 tablets, then desktops, etc.
So this does matter very much to Microsoft. Their whole future is dependent on this UI and the new underlying programming model. As all other phone ODM's have failed to sell Win Phone phones, including Samsung, Nokia is it for them.

Yes, it's a bit bewildering. Like Nokia can do nothing right. But I personally don't think MS tablet strategy is linking deeply with the phone. Even when they demoed Windows RT they demoed Excel. That show they try to sell it to people who's familiar with Windows in general but want something like iPad, rather than people who want it to work with their phones.

post #59 of 96
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

FACT: anyone who truly doesn't want or even care about the new iPhone isn't going bother reading this article, let alone waste time reading posts about it.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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post #60 of 96
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

 

 

 Apple sneezes, everyone grabs a Kleenex.

 

You just made me spill my beer!

 

LOL

post #61 of 96
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Originally Posted by Napoleon_PhoneApart View Post

But most do. Sorry.

Well that's your interpretation of market share.
In my book, 68% is still larger than 20-something %.
So, no, most don't care. Sorry
post #62 of 96
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Yes, it's a bit bewildering. Like Nokia can do nothing right. But I personally don't think MS tablet strategy is linking deeply with the phone. Even when they demoed Windows RT they demoed Excel. That show they try to sell it to people who's familiar with Windows in general but want something like iPad, rather than people who want it to work with their phones.

People are going to find that using Office on either Microsoft tablet is a problem. There are already reviews of this and so far, the opinions aren't good. I don't know why people, at least some, seem to think that using Windows on a 10.6" tablet will actually be better than using them on the failed 13-15" tablets that were earlier being promoted over the years, but failed, because Windows doesn't work well on a screen with a stylus, or especially, a finger.

Metro, uh, that is, Windows 8 -Style UI, works well enough, but the Office apps are styled as the older Desktop software. That's on both Rt and x86 tablets. People are going to be shocked and frustrated over this.

That's why all the new tablets that have just been shown by various ODM's come with a keyboard of some sort. But do people want to need a keyboard with their new TABLET? I don't think so.
post #63 of 96
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

 

You just made me spill my beer!

 

LOL

 

 

;)

 

Just the way things are these days . . .

post #64 of 96

So did anyone watch the Nokia event?  Was it even worth it?  Snoozer?

post #65 of 96
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


People are going to find that using Office on either Microsoft tablet is a problem. There are already reviews of this and so far, the opinions aren't good. I don't know why people, at least some, seem to think that using Windows on a 10.6" tablet will actually be better than using them on the failed 13-15" tablets that were earlier being promoted over the years, but failed, because Windows doesn't work well on a screen with a stylus, or especially, a finger.
Metro, uh, that is, Windows 8 -Style UI, works well enough, but the Office apps are styled as the older Desktop software. That's on both Rt and x86 tablets. People are going to be shocked and frustrated over this.
That's why all the new tablets that have just been shown by various ODM's come with a keyboard of some sort. But do people want to need a keyboard with their new TABLET? I don't think so.

I am personally cheering for them. I'm so sick with all these iPhone-wanna-be Androids but I think the best chance MS has is still 50-50. Like you said if they couldn't pull it off.. It's all about Office. If they fail, maybe that's when the stock begins a slide.

 

Someone has more optimistic view of course.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/4/3291249/the-end-of-android-tablets-google-amazon-kindle-fire-microsoft-windows-8

post #66 of 96
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

So did anyone watch the Nokia event?  Was it even worth it?  Snoozer?

I saw a few minutes of the live blog....Phone looks good...WinPho7-8 always looked good to me...but I have no true interest in the eco-system so I eventually turned it off.

Only Apple events and Google I/O truly interest me.

But from what the live blog showed it looked to be a good event.
post #67 of 96
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I am personally cheering for them. I'm so sick with all these iPhone-wanna-be Androids but I think the best chance MS has is still 50-50. Like you said if they couldn't pull it off.. It's all about Office. If they fail, maybe that's when the stock begins a slide.

There is literally ONE company who has ever produced iPhone wanna-be Androids...Samsung...and Samsung needs to die or undergo a serious change (after being knocked down a few pegs). I hate Touchwhiz and I hate their design sense.
post #68 of 96

Can anyone tell me why Nokia didn't disclose the date of availability and price of their new phones at the event today? Nokia management is sooooooooo idiotic. No wonder their products don't sell. What a complete joke!

post #69 of 96
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.

 

How does it feel to be all alone in the dark??  /s

post #70 of 96
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There is literally ONE company who has ever produced iPhone wanna-be Androids...Samsung...and Samsung needs to die or undergo a serious change (after being knocked down a few pegs). I hate Touchwhiz and I hate their design sense.

Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light. :)

post #71 of 96
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


Nokia and Motorola's events were announced BEFORE the iPhone announcement was known.
Are you suggesting they are psychic as well?

Spies in Apple can do the same thing.

 

But is it possible that Microsoft been sat on WP8 for a while, and only release it now to catch the coattail of Apple fever?

post #72 of 96
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Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light. :)

Don't look like that where I live. Where are you?

post #73 of 96
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


I saw a few minutes of the live blog....Phone looks good...WinPho7-8 always looked good to me...but I have no true interest in the eco-system so I eventually turned it off.
Only Apple events and Google I/O truly interest me.
But from what the live blog showed it looked to be a good event.

I seconded that, but still didn't see how Mcrosoft would tap Xbox Live crowd to help push WP8 along like they claimed years ago.

post #74 of 96

The best time to release these phones is out of sync with Apple. That's what Samsung did with the Galaxy S3. By releasing it while iPhone sales were declining they got a lot of press coverage for being the best selling phone. These other phones are going to compete against the iPhone at its peak. It may be that it's easier for non-Samsung Android phones to compete against the iPhone than a new Samsung phone. iPhone customers probably aren't going to buy an Android phone regardless, so Android manufacturers are competing with each other. You've got to remember these guys are competing for Samsung and Apple's leftovers.

post #75 of 96
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post

Spies in Apple can do the same thing.

 

But is it possible that Microsoft been sat on WP8 for a while, and only release it now to catch the coattail of Apple fever?

 

Most consumers *still* don't know what a "Windows Phone" is. And it's been two years, and a ton of money sunk into Nokia/MS marketing efforts already. 

 

I don't see anyone riding "Apple fever" and benefiting from it aside from Apple. 

post #76 of 96
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

 

Most consumers *still* don't know what a "Windows Phone" is. And it's been two years, and a ton of money sunk into Nokia/MS marketing efforts already. 

 

I don't see anyone riding "Apple fever" and benefiting from it aside from Apple. 

As long as they can get the coverage that is good enough for them. If that means  get some exposures why reporters and bloggers waiting for Sep 12 and nned something to fill their columns, so be it.

post #77 of 96
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Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light. 1smile.gif

I pictured wile-e-coyote btw...

But no, the rounded rectangle thing to me is a valid argument...but overblown.
post #78 of 96
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Originally Posted by poke View Post

The best time to release these phones is out of sync with Apple. That's what Samsung did with the Galaxy S3. By releasing it while iPhone sales were declining they got a lot of press coverage for being the best selling phone. These other phones are going to compete against the iPhone at its peak. It may be that it's easier for non-Samsung Android phones to compete against the iPhone than a new Samsung phone. iPhone customers probably aren't going to buy an Android phone regardless, so Android manufacturers are competing with each other. You've got to remember these guys are competing for Samsung and Apple's leftovers.

 

Yeah, then they can make announcements and PR about how they're 'outselling' the iPhone, and all their neck-bearded, Apple-hating, basement dwelling foot-soldier trolls on the internet eat that shit up and vomit it back out, not realizing the sheer mind-numbingly pathetic point  that Samsung is comparing sales of its just released flagship, phone with Apple's year old phone. 


Edited by Slurpy - 9/5/12 at 9:51am
post #79 of 96

That wireless charging thingy is just a gimmick, but it uses the so--called Qi interoperability technology. In the demo, I think they showed how JBL "Power Up" dock can act as both the wireless charging dock and also as an NFC based audio dock for Nokia 920. All you have to do is to knock the Nokia 920 to the JBL dock and the music is transferred and being played through JBL speaker. 

 

The deal breaker is perhaps the camera with the new floating lense technology with Nokia 920 with its the PureView: F/2.0 aperture. They also mentioned tons of neat stuff like ClearBlack displays using smart polarizers and an advanced Nokia mapping experience like Nokia City Lens. 

 

Nokia Lumia 920 Specs:

 

Processor Snapdragon S4

Dual Core 1.5 Ghz

1 GB internal memory

32 GB mass storage

Battery Capacity 2000 mAh

 

 

Display size 4.5 '

1280X768

332 PPI

 

 

Main Camera:

Carl Zeiss Tassar 

8.7 MP

3264 x 2448 pixels 

F 2.0

4X digital zoom
Nokia PureView camera
Touch focus
Landscape orientation
Geo-tagging
Auto and manual white balance
Still image editor
Optical Image Stabilization
Lenses applications
Sensor size 1/3 inch
Sensor type: BSI
True 16:9 sensor
Pixel size 1.4 µm

 

 

Wireless connectivity:
Near Field Communication
Bluetooth 3.1
Wi-Fi Direct
Wi-Fi Channel bonding
WLAN IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n
Qi Wireless charging

 

 

Navigation features
Nokia Maps
Nokia Drive: route optimization
Nokia City Lens
Nokia Transport
Offline maps
Turn-by-turn voice guided navigation

 

 

Positioning features
Magnetometer
A-GPS
WLAN Network Positioning
Glonass
Speed limit warnings
Online and offline favorites

 

 

Data bearers:
HSPA+ (3G)
EDGE/EGPRS (2G)
FD-LTE (4G)
HSUPA (3G)
GSM (2G)
HSDPA (3G)
WCDMA (3G)
Dual Transfer Mode (2G)

 

 

Bands:
GSM 850
GSM 900
GSM 1800
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band V (850)
WCDMA Band VIII (900)
WCDMA Band II (1900)
WCDMA Band I (2100)
LTE 800
LTE 900
LTE 1800
LTE 2100
LTE 2600

 

 

Connectors
Micro-USB Charging Connector
Micro-USB Data Connector
3.5 mm Universal Audio Connector
Micro-USB 2.0

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

lol. 

 

Apple will implement 'wireless' charging when it's actually- you know- wireless. 

 

I fail to see the major advantage to this 'wireless' charging that requires a brick as large as the phone to be contact, which just happens to be slower than normal charging, and which adds internal complexity and bulk to the phone. There's nothing wireless about it. Yeah it's a neat gimmick, but beyond saving maybe 2 seconds a day plugging/unplugging the phone, serve no other advantage. I don't see Aple implementing a solution like this, it's simply a half way point and really non-elegant. 

post #80 of 96
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Most consumers *still* don't know what a "Windows Phone" is. And it's been two years, and a ton of money sunk into Nokia/MS marketing efforts already. 

I don't see anyone riding "Apple fever" and benefiting from it aside from Apple. 

agreed...they botched their entire mobile OS situation.

We shall see, however.
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