Nokia unveils Lumia 920 with 4.5" display, PureView camera - Page 2

The Lumia 800 design, now the 920, is still the best looking phone out there, in my opinion. Now it has what sounds like a phenomenal screen - 4.5", 322ppi, RGB (no ugly pentile matrix here) and at 1280x768 resolution. Nokia apparently also have the best black levels in the business. They're also claiming the camera is the best out there too.

It's a stunning device for sure, and the OS looks lovely too. It even has NFC and wireless charging. I just wish I had more confidence that Win Phone 8 will actually take off, as if it's as still born as Win Phone 7 was then this will be a very beautiful museum piece before long.

On this point I agree with you completely. 

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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff 

....this market will grow for at least 5 more years at  30-50% year over year rate (as dumbphones convert, landlines erode, and as the WorldWide market grows).  

There is room for competition, as long as no one gets a super majority.

What I found impressive was the jbl dock demo (although it didn't quite go smooth). He just placed the lumia on the speaker dock and it switched to wireless streaming of the music to the dock, and the dock began charging the device.

It's pretty ironic Apple will be introducing a new dock connector, whereas Nokia is showing that the device should have no dock connector whatsoever. A move I would have expected from Apple.

Ofcourse we'll have to see if the wireless charging is indeed ready for it (speed of charging and loss of energy come to mind), but still, the future is connector less devices and Nokia has shown us the first glimpse.

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Originally Posted by DGNR8 

Why would you have someone who has a strong foreign accent advertise in ENGISH to english speaking audience.

 

There are thousands of out of work native english speaking actors and techheads that are pretty enough that could handle this promotional video.

 

I dont understand why companies do this, have a representative detail the product in there native language.

 

OK now everyone scream at me how I am a racist now....

Ahem, if we are using correct English then it would be "their" native language not "there" and I believe he is Indian and English is an official language of India.

@Tallest Skil  Why are you so invested in your idea of what the iPhone should look like or even be called? Correct me if I am wrong but you ever never been a proper iPhone customer. You said that you won a free 1st generation iPhone but use it as an iPod or maybe on pre-paid? I am trying hard to understand exactly why you think your opinions are close to being relevant when you don't even own a newish (iPhone 4 or later) iPhone yourself. Without owning or using a modern iPhone with iOS 5 your opinions carry little weight. You certainly are not in Apple's demographics. So I am curious since you are not a stakeholder, why are you so invested in this discussion? 

As to the new Nokia, it looks like a really nice phone and may give some Android Apple haters another option. The main drawback to Windows phones is the lack of apps, but once they get the majority of all the popular apps on iOS and Android they may be able to cross that critical barrier. I am not a fan of yellow on a phone but all my phones have always been in a case so it really doesn't matter. I love the option of having a 4.3" or a 4.5" screen. With Apple it is one size fits all and love it or leave it. Mark my words that Apple will reluctantly realize that people want larger than a  4" screen and will eventually have no choice but to make a model around 4.3" to 4.6". Sure the iPhone 5 will sell by the tens of millions but how many more would they sell with a larger screen. Ask pretty much any Android owner why they chose their phone  over an iPhone and they will quickly tell you screen size was the biggest factor. 

Originally Posted by Pooch 
as an appleinsider global moderator, is that your official position?

Why do you keep saying this? We don't make policy. Site owners do. We're entitled to our own opinions, for heaven's sake.

Originally Posted by gwmac 
Mark my words that Apple will reluctantly realize that people want larger than a  4" screen and will eventually have no choice but to make a model around 4.3" to 4.6".

 

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

I think the best things about this phone are the OS, design, and screen size. The highlighted features are boring and wouldn't entice me to spend money. The video capabilities are typical of all smart phones. I don't care if you can take pictures without flash. You can use it with gloves - I'm a Texan. It's too freaking hot for gloves. Wireless charging is cool though(especially if you don't have to sit your device on a stupid charging brick, otherwise you can just plug it into an outlet). I can't point my phone down the street and have it return names of places etc, but it will if I just tap on maps(lol). MicroSD card? Awesome.

The design, the OS, app offerings, and screen real estate are what would sell me on this phone. That other stuff is bunk.

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Originally Posted by lghulm 

 

Ahem, if we are using correct English then it would be "their" native language not "there" and I believe he is Indian and English is an official language of India.

This could be a contender in the worst first post contest.

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Originally Posted by lghulm 

 

Ahem, if we are using correct English then it would be "their" native language not "there" and I believe he is Indian and English is an official language of India.

It may be an official language but that doesn't mean they speak it very well. His accent was extremely thick and difficult to understand. Why would Nokia choose a spokesman so hard to comprehend? When I have to strain to understand what someone is saying that detracts from their message. He was a very poor choice. Siri would have done a beter job than this guy. 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Why do you keep saying this? We don't make policy. Site owners do. We're entitled to our own opinions, for heaven's sake.

 

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

Guess you don't want to comment on the rest of my post since your constant dictates on what Apple should or shouldn't do with an iPhone never seems to satisfy you. As an iPhone 4s owner my opinion is at least relevant since I own and use the product. You are just a an uninformed bystander. Hard to write a review of a restaurant when your only experience has been by looking through the glass window on the outside looking in. Until you actually go inside and taste the food your opinion is really rather worthless. 

For some weird reasons, people here seem to love Nokia phones, which I just couldn't understand. I mean, it's Win OS, which just very bulky and way too busy compared to the iOS. "At least they're not copying Apple" is not a good reason to like a phone, period.

Neh..., I'd prefer that "guy" who won that Jeopardy! contest against the two super human blessed with millions of useless information in their collective brains. Watson,..., yes, that's  "its" name.

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Originally Posted by gwmac 

It may be an official language but that doesn't mean they speak it very well. His accent was extremely thick and difficult to understand. Why would Nokia choose a spokesman so hard to comprehend? When I have to strain to understand what someone is saying that detracts from their message. He was a very poor choice. Siri would have done a beter job than this guy. 

Wireless charging, NFC, great design and a nice camera. I'm interested to see what upgrades Apple makes to the next iPhone's camera, as this is noticeably better than what we're used to.  I'd hope people take notice of these Nokia phones, they're well designed and have some nifty features. These are looking very demo-able in-store.

One thing I wish these guys would steal from Apple is announcing both price and availability... from what I hear this won't be released until the end of October. It's a soft launch alright - the next iPhone will be launched at least a month before this one.

Nokia couldn't find one Finn that speaks intelligible English to do this commercial ...!?!  Because, basically all Finns speak pretty much near perfect English (lived in Sweden for years, and visited Finland frequently).  I mean honestly ... 

No, we're going to go with the Indian guy who pronounces Nokia like "Knockya," so none of the English speaking people this advertisement is targeted towards can understand what he's saying half the time :s

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Originally Posted by Jahblade 

Nice phone. I love windows UI... 4.5 screen size is the "sweet spot" for me. I have a company iPhone 4S. if Apple new iPhone is just a bigger 4s, with better specs. I will carry 2 phones, the 4s and lumia. No android for me!

Thank You! I agree 100% and am shocked that certain Apple fans are oblivious to the fact that most smartphone owners (even iPhone owners) want a larger screen and I doubt the new 4" elongated version will satisfy this hunger. I would be satisfied with 4.3" but if I had my druthers it would be 4.5". Apple will eventually get the message and make a larger screen, but probably not until 2014. 

Originally Posted by gwmac 
Guess you don't want to comment on the rest of my post… 

Because it's off topic and if you want to talk to me about it, do it in a thread where it is (there aren't really any) or in PM.

So I can't have an opinion on what I'd like the president of the United States to do unless I've already served a term. Got it. Guess there should only be five people voting come November.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Is the implication that you think this is better than Apple's offerings? Can you really say that until the 12th? Of course I look around at other things.

 

It's an Apple website. I just don't see much reason to report on the others unless there's some direct relation or comparison to Apple's offerings. And at the very least, it doesn't belong in the iPhone subforum, but many generic news postings in the phone industry wind up here, so that's just a difference of opinion. 

 

Blah, blah, FUD, blah blah, gloom and doom… THIS is why I don't like seeing competitor crap here. Pulls the trolls even further out of the woodwork.

I've been holding out for the latest iPhone since April.  I currently have the iPhone 4.  My son has the 4S and wife and the 4. I recently left a company that paid for my phone and monthly charges. Since they are no longer paying, it makes sense to move back onto my family plan on Verizon. I have not yet done this because I want the new iPhone.

Count me as one of those who hopes the feature rumors that have been circulating are Apple disinformation. If the only new features we receive are the slightly larger screen, new dock connector (is that really a feature?), faster processor, thinner screen, and LTE, then I will most likely not get the next iPhone.

Since the release of the iPhone 4, the evolution of the iPhone and iOS has moved at a glacial pace.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Because it's off topic and if you want to talk to me about it, do it in a thread where it is (there aren't really any) or in PM.

 

 

So I can't have an opinion on what I'd like the president of the United States to do unless I've already served a term. Got it. Guess there should only be five people voting come November.

Apples and Oranges. All Americans have the same access to the news in order to formulate an opinion on a president. So we are all in the same boat essentially in terms of access to that knowledge base.  But when it comes to commenting on the iPhone, there are two types of people; those who own and use an iPhone and those that don't. People will value the thoughts and opinions of actual iPhone owners far more than those people that don't own or use an iPhone for the simple fact that hands on experience gives you actual insight. So until you actually own and use an iPhone your opinion will always be based on what you read and not what you actually have experienced. 

If I was planning a trip to Miami, would I ask a person that lives there for tips or some guy in Boise that has never even been to Miami but read a few articles on a travel website about it. Guess which guy you are. We all have a right to an opinion but we don't all have a right to the facts or actual hands on experience. So stop pretending like you are some sort of iPhone authority and disparaging my opinion as ludicrous or funny when you have so often been proven wrong. 

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Originally Posted by majortom1981 

This is probably an unpopular thought here but I like  what nokia presented here. Unless the the iphone 5 is different then what the mockups show  a windows phone 8 phone might be my next. I currently have an iphone 4s that I have had nothing but problerms with. Its already been repaired under warranty (bad power button) and now has the front camera fritzing out .

 

I just feel that apple hasnt been changing ios enough.

 

I do hope apple has done a better job of keeping the next iphone 5 a secret and that the current mockups are not even close. I am not of a big fan of the same width but longer screen.

I like change like many people but there is an inherent problem in screwing around with a successful OS - you stand a good chance of alienating a large portion of your customers. Its a delicate balance and I think Apple has done pretty good. Adding features for the sake of it is counterproductive and my bet is that most people by far use IOS in its basic form, just like Windows and OSX. Apple is good at adding candy and keeping things simple. How would you like to see IOS change?

Having said that - I also think the Nokia with the Windows OS looks great. It is bright and attractive and doesn't look at all geeky and traditional.

Out of all the Apple competitors, Nokia makes the best hardware hands down.
 

Originally Posted by gwmac 

All Americans have the same access to the news in order to formulate an opinion on a president.

We also have the same access to the iPhones in order to formulate an opinion of the devices.

Yeah, friends, family members, and Apple Stores sure don't exist.

I think these are fine competitors to the iPhone and I wish them luck.  Window's UI will catch some attention and It has some cool features.  Personally, I'm hooked on Apple and probably won't ever switch.  But For all those that wanted something new and fresh (UI speaking) and lots of colors...these are great designs.  Funny, the 820 kind of looks like an iPhone 3G in colors, the 920 looks like a larger iPod Nano in plastic...but whatever, they're far enough off to avoid any lawsuit IMO.

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Originally Posted by LuxoM3 

This was a REALLY BOLD and COMPETITIVE move for Nokia a week before the announcement of the iPhone 5.

 

Because when people rethink their contracts, they'll have these features to mull over...

 

1. 8-megapixel camera that can shoot 1080p high-definition video - WITH IMAGE STABILIZATION
2. "PureView" technology allows shooting imagery without using flash.
3. "Super Sensitive Touch." - allow use of the device while wearing gloves.

4. Inductive charging

5. Mapping with Augmented reality - point the phone down a street and it SHOWS YOU the names of places, shops, bus stops, etc.
6. Even LOW-end phones get  exchangeable shells that allow users to change colors or add wireless charging, and also allows users to input microSD cards.

 

I'd call that stuff pretty innovative.

And why have this here on AppleInsider?
Because IF all Apple gives us is a 4" screen, LTE, and 3D mapping - this might very well END Apple's dominance of phones.

I'm not trying to down Apple, but after a while, what are we really getting for $199+ in the iPhone that is THAT different from the 2007 iPhone?

 

 

 

 

1. iPhone 4S has an 8mp camera with 1080p at 30fps with image stabilization. Granted, the stabilization is digital rather than optical. If the luminia is optical I'll give them a half point.

2. I don't yet know what PureView is, so I'll just throw Nokia a point there. Subject to change once I've read up on it.

3. -2 to Nokia. I already 'tit dial/hangup/etc' when I have my iPhone in my shirt pocket with the screen facing me (Siri's a bitch unless I face the screen forward.) This is a case of more is worse.

4. The tech is energy hungry...but cool. Point to Nokia if it doesn't add too much weight. Half point otherwise.

5. Apple third party to the rescue in short order. Apple is not in the business of implementing the kitchen sink - that's what is killing the Android upgrade availibility on those phones. But it is cool...so I'll give Nokia a half point until an iOS app is out.

6a. Sorry - no shell swaps for you. 3rd party vendor market has had this for everyone for years.

6b. I understand and fully agree with Apple's not including an SD reader. But it sucks. Point to Nokia until Apple's iCloud is more pervasive. Then it'll STILL be a point to Nokia (close, but no cigar Apple.)

Final score is advantage Nokia, but only a total of 2 given your bullet points.

What is the Luminia screen pixel resolution?

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Originally Posted by Napoleon_PhoneApart 

I don't think you're a racist, but maybe the guy works for Nokia? In any event, I could understand him perfectly.

Being a racist requires subjective intent. With that said, I agree with the other poster. It is like when you are American and take a college class and the Professor barely speaks English. It is bad enough trying to learn the topic much less have to try and understand the professor.

Looks interesting but with the new iPhone coming out this'll probably be relegated to the "Also-Rans" pile

I am happy to see Nokia making a comeback. After many horrible years and poor products (mainly OS) they are showing signs of life. I do agree that Apple has to start putting speed if they want to keep up with competition. Lumia 920 certainly is more appealing than any Androids: built quality, screen and some nice new features. I love my iPhone, but if screen size remains the same, I start looking Lumia seriously. Apple, time to surprise again.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

Why is every Apple website reporting on this thing? Why do we care?

Well, il looks nice, with nice colors, fresh. I'd like Apple takes inspiration from it ;-)

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

We also have the same access to the iPhones in order to formulate an opinion of the devices.

 

 

Yeah, friends, family members, and Apple Stores sure don't exist.

Not close to being the same as owning and using an iPhone yourself on a daily basis. My best friend has a Mercedes E350  and I have driven his car but I wouldn't claim to be an expert on the E350 or offer detailed opinions on owning one since I don't. All the quirks and good points come from using it on a daily basis. You don't own an iPhone and even though you can have an opinion like everyone else, it just isn't very valuable. Once you actually own and use an iPhone then I might give your opinions a little more credence.

As far as my point being off topic, you are the one that told everyone you don't own or use an iPhone. You obviously thought it was relevant or I wouldn't have even known. Exactly what are you waiting on? What iPhone could Apple possibly make to meet your incredibly high standards? 

Originally Posted by gwmac 

Exactly what are you waiting on? What iPhone could Apple possibly make to meet your incredibly high standards? 

Oh, come on. "Standards"? I haven't been able to afford one. I also couldn't justify paying for data when wherever I would have needed it I had Wi-Fi. 

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Originally Posted by mausz 

What I found impressive was the jbl dock demo (although it didn't quite go smooth). He just placed the lumia on the speaker dock and it switched to wireless streaming of the music to the dock, and the dock began charging the device.

 

It's pretty ironic Apple will be introducing a new dock connector, whereas Nokia is showing that the device should have no dock connector whatsoever. A move I would have expected from Apple.

 

Ofcourse we'll have to see if the wireless charging is indeed ready for it (speed of charging and loss of energy come to mind), but still, the future is connector less devices and Nokia has shown us the first glimpse.

I think Apple will unveil a form of inductive charging on the iPhone 5. They have a number of patents that point toward a wireless charging dock, and I think the new metal backplate on the 5 leaks we've seen will be a part of their wireless charging system. 

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Originally Posted by Cyberzombie 

 

1. iPhone 4S has an 8mp camera with 1080p at 30fps with image stabilization. Granted, the stabilization is digital rather than optical. If the luminia is optical I'll give them a half point.

2. I don't yet know what PureView is, so I'll just throw Nokia a point there. Subject to change once I've read up on it.

3. -2 to Nokia. I already 'tit dial/hangup/etc' when I have my iPhone in my shirt pocket with the screen facing me (Siri's a bitch unless I face the screen forward.) This is a case of more is worse.

4. The tech is energy hungry...but cool. Point to Nokia if it doesn't add too much weight. Half point otherwise.

5. Apple third party to the rescue in short order. Apple is not in the business of implementing the kitchen sink - that's what is killing the Android upgrade availibility on those phones. But it is cool...so I'll give Nokia a half point until an iOS app is out.

6a. Sorry - no shell swaps for you. 3rd party vendor market has had this for everyone for years.

6b. I understand and fully agree with Apple's not including an SD reader. But it sucks. Point to Nokia until Apple's iCloud is more pervasive. Then it'll STILL be a point to Nokia (close, but no cigar Apple.)

 

Final score is advantage Nokia, but only a total of 2 given your bullet points.

 

What is the Luminia screen pixel resolution?

1. It IS optical image stabilization.

2. Me neither.

3. As a motorcycle rider and avid cyclist, I would LOVE to be able to use my iPhone without having to pull my gloves off. With the iPhone, I have to purchase special gloves in order to be able to do that.

4. I like the idea of inductive charging out of the box. I know nothing about the energy demands for such technology.

5. In my opinion, Apple barely delivered the water in the 4S...forget about the kitchen sink. If the rumors prove to be true, they won't deliver much more this time around either. When was the last time they delivered a mind-blowing feature?

6a. I've never cared about swapping shells.

6b. I don't understand Apple's reasoning. Frankly, it looks like they just want to be able to charge more for phones by adding additional memory--an additional 16 GB should NOT cost $100. They do something similar now with the new retina display laptops--though apparently that's a design constraint.

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Originally Posted by LuxoM3 

This was a REALLY BOLD and COMPETITIVE move for Nokia a week before the announcement of the iPhone 5.

 

Because when people rethink their contracts, they'll have these features to mull over...

 

1. 8-megapixel camera that can shoot 1080p high-definition video - WITH IMAGE STABILIZATION
2. "PureView" technology allows shooting imagery without using flash.
3. "Super Sensitive Touch." - allow use of the device while wearing gloves.

4. Inductive charging

5. Mapping with Augmented reality - point the phone down a street and it SHOWS YOU the names of places, shops, bus stops, etc.
6. Even LOW-end phones get  exchangeable shells that allow users to change colors or add wireless charging, and also allows users to input microSD cards.

If iPhone didn't exist, I would most likely buy Nokia Lumia phones. That said, these new phones are pretty disappointing. And Wall Street agrees, with Nokia stock down about 15% following the announcement.

1. iPhone 4S can also shoot 1080p video, with image stabilization.

2. PureView on Lumia 920 is a regression from Lumia 808's PureView, using much more limited image sensor (down from 41-megapixels to 8-megapixels). In fact, it really isn't much different from image sensor used on iPhone 4S.

6. But Lumia 920 doesn't have microSD slot.