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post #41 of 239

The Lumia 800 design, now the 920, is still the best looking phone out there, in my opinion. Now it has what sounds like a phenomenal screen - 4.5", 322ppi, RGB (no ugly pentile matrix here) and at 1280x768 resolution. Nokia apparently also have the best black levels in the business. They're also claiming the camera is the best out there too.

 

It's a stunning device for sure, and the OS looks lovely too. It even has NFC and wireless charging. I just wish I had more confidence that Win Phone 8 will actually take off, as if it's as still born as Win Phone 7 was then this will be a very beautiful museum piece before long.

post #42 of 239

On this point I agree with you completely. 

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....this market will grow for at least 5 more years at  30-50% year over year rate (as dumbphones convert, landlines erode, and as the WorldWide market grows).  

There is room for competition, as long as no one gets a super majority.

post #43 of 239

What I found impressive was the jbl dock demo (although it didn't quite go smooth). He just placed the lumia on the speaker dock and it switched to wireless streaming of the music to the dock, and the dock began charging the device.

 

It's pretty ironic Apple will be introducing a new dock connector, whereas Nokia is showing that the device should have no dock connector whatsoever. A move I would have expected from Apple.

 

Ofcourse we'll have to see if the wireless charging is indeed ready for it (speed of charging and loss of energy come to mind), but still, the future is connector less devices and Nokia has shown us the first glimpse.

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Why is every Apple website reporting on this thing? Why do we care?

as an appleinsider global moderator, is that your official position?
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Why would you have someone who has a strong foreign accent advertise in ENGISH to english speaking audience.

 

There are thousands of out of work native english speaking actors and techheads that are pretty enough that could handle this promotional video.

 

I dont understand why companies do this, have a representative detail the product in there native language.

 

OK now everyone scream at me how I am a racist now....

 

Ahem, if we are using correct English then it would be "their" native language not "there" and I believe he is Indian and English is an official language of India.

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Originally Posted by Pooch View Post
as an appleinsider global moderator, is that your official position?

 

Why do you keep saying this? We don't make policy. Site owners do. We're entitled to our own opinions, for heaven's sake.


Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
Mark my words that Apple will reluctantly realize that people want larger than a  4" screen and will eventually have no choice but to make a model around 4.3" to 4.6".
 

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

post #47 of 239

I think the best things about this phone are the OS, design, and screen size. The highlighted features are boring and wouldn't entice me to spend money. The video capabilities are typical of all smart phones. I don't care if you can take pictures without flash. You can use it with gloves - I'm a Texan. It's too freaking hot for gloves. Wireless charging is cool though(especially if you don't have to sit your device on a stupid charging brick, otherwise you can just plug it into an outlet). I can't point my phone down the street and have it return names of places etc, but it will if I just tap on maps(lol). MicroSD card? Awesome.

 

 

The design, the OS, app offerings, and screen real estate are what would sell me on this phone. That other stuff is bunk.

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I believe he is Indian and English is an official language of India.

I learned that from this guy I use to work with...it was a rather interesting moment for me because up until that point I assumed that the accent was borne from the learning of English as a second language when in fact the accent is as much an accent of English as a Cockney, Brooklyn, Dallas accent is.
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Ahem, if we are using correct English then it would be "their" native language not "there" and I believe he is Indian and English is an official language of India.

This could be a contender in the worst first post contest.

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post #50 of 239

For some weird reasons, people here seem to love Nokia phones, which I just couldn't understand. I mean, it's Win OS, which just very bulky and way too busy compared to the iOS. "At least they're not copying Apple" is not a good reason to like a phone, period.

post #51 of 239

Neh..., I'd prefer that "guy" who won that Jeopardy! contest against the two super human blessed with millions of useless information in their collective brains. Watson,..., yes, that's  "its" name.

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It may be an official language but that doesn't mean they speak it very well. His accent was extremely thick and difficult to understand. Why would Nokia choose a spokesman so hard to comprehend? When I have to strain to understand what someone is saying that detracts from their message. He was a very poor choice. Siri would have done a beter job than this guy. 

post #52 of 239
Nice phone. I love windows UI... 4.5 screen size is the "sweet spot" for me. I have a company iPhone 4S. if Apple new iPhone is just a bigger 4s, with better specs. I will carry 2 phones, the 4s and lumia. No android for me!
post #53 of 239

Wireless charging, NFC, great design and a nice camera. I'm interested to see what upgrades Apple makes to the next iPhone's camera, as this is noticeably better than what we're used to.  I'd hope people take notice of these Nokia phones, they're well designed and have some nifty features. These are looking very demo-able in-store.

 

One thing I wish these guys would steal from Apple is announcing both price and availability... from what I hear this won't be released until the end of October. It's a soft launch alright - the next iPhone will be launched at least a month before this one.

post #54 of 239

Nokia couldn't find one Finn that speaks intelligible English to do this commercial ...!?!  Because, basically all Finns speak pretty much near perfect English (lived in Sweden for years, and visited Finland frequently).  I mean honestly ... 

 

No, we're going to go with the Indian guy who pronounces Nokia like "Knockya," so none of the English speaking people this advertisement is targeted towards can understand what he's saying half the time :s

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Why is every Apple website reporting on this thing? Why do we care?
Apple vs Samsung news is getting old and it's nice to see a competitor totally different than Apple and Samsung. This is refreshing.
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
Guess you don't want to comment on the rest of my post… 

 

Because it's off topic and if you want to talk to me about it, do it in a thread where it is (there aren't really any) or in PM.

 

You are just a an uninformed bystander. Hard to write a review of a restaurant when your only experience has been by looking through the glass window on the outside looking in. Until you actually go inside and taste the food your opinion is really rather worthless.

 

So I can't have an opinion on what I'd like the president of the United States to do unless I've already served a term. Got it. Guess there should only be five people voting come November.

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Is the implication that you think this is better than Apple's offerings? Can you really say that until the 12th? Of course I look around at other things.

 

It's an Apple website. I just don't see much reason to report on the others unless there's some direct relation or comparison to Apple's offerings. And at the very least, it doesn't belong in the iPhone subforum, but many generic news postings in the phone industry wind up here, so that's just a difference of opinion. 

 

Blah, blah, FUD, blah blah, gloom and doom… THIS is why I don't like seeing competitor crap here. Pulls the trolls even further out of the woodwork.

I've been holding out for the latest iPhone since April.  I currently have the iPhone 4.  My son has the 4S and wife and the 4. I recently left a company that paid for my phone and monthly charges. Since they are no longer paying, it makes sense to move back onto my family plan on Verizon. I have not yet done this because I want the new iPhone.

 

Count me as one of those who hopes the feature rumors that have been circulating are Apple disinformation. If the only new features we receive are the slightly larger screen, new dock connector (is that really a feature?), faster processor, thinner screen, and LTE, then I will most likely not get the next iPhone.

 

Since the release of the iPhone 4, the evolution of the iPhone and iOS has moved at a glacial pace.

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This is probably an unpopular thought here but I like  what nokia presented here. Unless the the iphone 5 is different then what the mockups show  a windows phone 8 phone might be my next. I currently have an iphone 4s that I have had nothing but problerms with. Its already been repaired under warranty (bad power button) and now has the front camera fritzing out .

 

I just feel that apple hasnt been changing ios enough.

 

I do hope apple has done a better job of keeping the next iphone 5 a secret and that the current mockups are not even close. I am not of a big fan of the same width but longer screen.

I like change like many people but there is an inherent problem in screwing around with a successful OS - you stand a good chance of alienating a large portion of your customers. Its a delicate balance and I think Apple has done pretty good. Adding features for the sake of it is counterproductive and my bet is that most people by far use IOS in its basic form, just like Windows and OSX. Apple is good at adding candy and keeping things simple. How would you like to see IOS change?

 

Having said that - I also think the Nokia with the Windows OS looks great. It is bright and attractive and doesn't look at all geeky and traditional.

post #59 of 239

Out of all the Apple competitors, Nokia makes the best hardware hands down.
 

post #60 of 239
Originally Posted by gwmac View Post

All Americans have the same access to the news in order to formulate an opinion on a president.


We also have the same access to the iPhones in order to formulate an opinion of the devices.

 

So until you actually own and use an iPhone your opinion will always be based on what you read and not what you actually have experienced. 

 

Yeah, friends, family members, and Apple Stores sure don't exist.

post #61 of 239

I think these are fine competitors to the iPhone and I wish them luck.  Window's UI will catch some attention and It has some cool features.  Personally, I'm hooked on Apple and probably won't ever switch.  But For all those that wanted something new and fresh (UI speaking) and lots of colors...these are great designs.  Funny, the 820 kind of looks like an iPhone 3G in colors, the 920 looks like a larger iPod Nano in plastic...but whatever, they're far enough off to avoid any lawsuit IMO.

post #62 of 239
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This was a REALLY BOLD and COMPETITIVE move for Nokia a week before the announcement of the iPhone 5.

 

Because when people rethink their contracts, they'll have these features to mull over...

 

1. 8-megapixel camera that can shoot 1080p high-definition video - WITH IMAGE STABILIZATION
2. "PureView" technology allows shooting imagery without using flash.
3. "Super Sensitive Touch." - allow use of the device while wearing gloves.

4. Inductive charging

5. Mapping with Augmented reality - point the phone down a street and it SHOWS YOU the names of places, shops, bus stops, etc.
6. Even LOW-end phones get  exchangeable shells that allow users to change colors or add wireless charging, and also allows users to input microSD cards.

 

I'd call that stuff pretty innovative.

And why have this here on AppleInsider?
Because IF all Apple gives us is a 4" screen, LTE, and 3D mapping - this might very well END Apple's dominance of phones.

I'm not trying to down Apple, but after a while, what are we really getting for $199+ in the iPhone that is THAT different from the 2007 iPhone?

 
 

 

1. iPhone 4S has an 8mp camera with 1080p at 30fps with image stabilization. Granted, the stabilization is digital rather than optical. If the luminia is optical I'll give them a half point.

2. I don't yet know what PureView is, so I'll just throw Nokia a point there. Subject to change once I've read up on it.

3. -2 to Nokia. I already 'tit dial/hangup/etc' when I have my iPhone in my shirt pocket with the screen facing me (Siri's a bitch unless I face the screen forward.) This is a case of more is worse.

4. The tech is energy hungry...but cool. Point to Nokia if it doesn't add too much weight. Half point otherwise.

5. Apple third party to the rescue in short order. Apple is not in the business of implementing the kitchen sink - that's what is killing the Android upgrade availibility on those phones. But it is cool...so I'll give Nokia a half point until an iOS app is out.

6a. Sorry - no shell swaps for you. 3rd party vendor market has had this for everyone for years.

6b. I understand and fully agree with Apple's not including an SD reader. But it sucks. Point to Nokia until Apple's iCloud is more pervasive. Then it'll STILL be a point to Nokia (close, but no cigar Apple.)

 

Final score is advantage Nokia, but only a total of 2 given your bullet points.

 

What is the Luminia screen pixel resolution?

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I don't think you're a racist, but maybe the guy works for Nokia? In any event, I could understand him perfectly.

 

 

Being a racist requires subjective intent. With that said, I agree with the other poster. It is like when you are American and take a college class and the Professor barely speaks English. It is bad enough trying to learn the topic much less have to try and understand the professor.

post #64 of 239

Looks interesting but with the new iPhone coming out this'll probably be relegated to the "Also-Rans" pile

post #65 of 239

I am happy to see Nokia making a comeback. After many horrible years and poor products (mainly OS) they are showing signs of life. I do agree that Apple has to start putting speed if they want to keep up with competition. Lumia 920 certainly is more appealing than any Androids: built quality, screen and some nice new features. I love my iPhone, but if screen size remains the same, I start looking Lumia seriously. Apple, time to surprise again.

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Why is every Apple website reporting on this thing? Why do we care?

 

Well, il looks nice, with nice colors, fresh. I'd like Apple takes inspiration from it ;-)

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like macbooks and imacs no one is buying those...look at market share lol

Apple's Mac business model is sustainable, and is in fact the smartest in the industry.

Nokia's is not.

And both markets are entirely different to begin with. Apple rules the $1000+ PC segment. Nokia rules the segment that companies do typically before they fold.
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post

Exactly what are you waiting on? What iPhone could Apple possibly make to meet your incredibly high standards? 

 

Oh, come on. "Standards"? I haven't been able to afford one. I also couldn't justify paying for data when wherever I would have needed it I had Wi-Fi. 

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What I found impressive was the jbl dock demo (although it didn't quite go smooth). He just placed the lumia on the speaker dock and it switched to wireless streaming of the music to the dock, and the dock began charging the device.

 

It's pretty ironic Apple will be introducing a new dock connector, whereas Nokia is showing that the device should have no dock connector whatsoever. A move I would have expected from Apple.

 

Ofcourse we'll have to see if the wireless charging is indeed ready for it (speed of charging and loss of energy come to mind), but still, the future is connector less devices and Nokia has shown us the first glimpse.

I think Apple will unveil a form of inductive charging on the iPhone 5. They have a number of patents that point toward a wireless charging dock, and I think the new metal backplate on the 5 leaks we've seen will be a part of their wireless charging system. 

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What I found impressive was the jbl dock demo (although it didn't quite go smooth). He just placed the lumia on the speaker dock and it switched to wireless streaming of the music to the dock, and the dock began charging the device.

It's pretty ironic Apple will be introducing a new dock connector, whereas Nokia is showing that the device should have no dock connector whatsoever. A move I would have expected from Apple.

Ofcourse we'll have to see if the wireless charging is indeed ready for it (speed of charging and loss of energy come to mind), but still, the future is connector less devices and Nokia has shown us the first glimpse.

Apple's dock connector is used for far more than that. It's a one trick pony. Nice in what it does, but it doesn't do much.
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Why would you have someone who has a strong foreign accent advertise in ENGISH to english speaking audience.

There are thousands of out of work native english speaking actors and techheads that are pretty enough that could handle this promotional video.

I dont understand why companies do this, have a representative detail the product in there native language.

OK now everyone scream at me how I am a racist now....

It's a marketing tactic.

Like Orbitz gum commercials.

It's supposed to insinuate a product is classy, designer, high-quality etc...

Like a handmade Swiss watch or a German made sportscar...

Except all of these phones are made in China/Asia, Apple's also.
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@Tallest Skil Are you so blinkered that you would not even consider something non-apple even if it was better.  How old are you?

name a product that is completely better than apple. (you cant because once you discount the price, either the design or the insides are better than others...)



um, because apple is the bestest (LOL)... er wise choice because it has the best products, and state-of-art to boot...
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1. iPhone 4S has an 8mp camera with 1080p at 30fps with image stabilization. Granted, the stabilization is digital rather than optical. If the luminia is optical I'll give them a half point.

2. I don't yet know what PureView is, so I'll just throw Nokia a point there. Subject to change once I've read up on it.

3. -2 to Nokia. I already 'tit dial/hangup/etc' when I have my iPhone in my shirt pocket with the screen facing me (Siri's a bitch unless I face the screen forward.) This is a case of more is worse.

4. The tech is energy hungry...but cool. Point to Nokia if it doesn't add too much weight. Half point otherwise.

5. Apple third party to the rescue in short order. Apple is not in the business of implementing the kitchen sink - that's what is killing the Android upgrade availibility on those phones. But it is cool...so I'll give Nokia a half point until an iOS app is out.

6a. Sorry - no shell swaps for you. 3rd party vendor market has had this for everyone for years.

6b. I understand and fully agree with Apple's not including an SD reader. But it sucks. Point to Nokia until Apple's iCloud is more pervasive. Then it'll STILL be a point to Nokia (close, but no cigar Apple.)

 

Final score is advantage Nokia, but only a total of 2 given your bullet points.

 

What is the Luminia screen pixel resolution?


1. It IS optical image stabilization.

2. Me neither.

3. As a motorcycle rider and avid cyclist, I would LOVE to be able to use my iPhone without having to pull my gloves off. With the iPhone, I have to purchase special gloves in order to be able to do that.

4. I like the idea of inductive charging out of the box. I know nothing about the energy demands for such technology.

5. In my opinion, Apple barely delivered the water in the 4S...forget about the kitchen sink. If the rumors prove to be true, they won't deliver much more this time around either. When was the last time they delivered a mind-blowing feature?

6a. I've never cared about swapping shells.

6b. I don't understand Apple's reasoning. Frankly, it looks like they just want to be able to charge more for phones by adding additional memory--an additional 16 GB should NOT cost $100. They do something similar now with the new retina display laptops--though apparently that's a design constraint.

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Originally Posted by LuxoM3 View Post

This was a REALLY BOLD and COMPETITIVE move for Nokia a week before the announcement of the iPhone 5.

 

Because when people rethink their contracts, they'll have these features to mull over...

 

1. 8-megapixel camera that can shoot 1080p high-definition video - WITH IMAGE STABILIZATION
2. "PureView" technology allows shooting imagery without using flash.
3. "Super Sensitive Touch." - allow use of the device while wearing gloves.

4. Inductive charging

5. Mapping with Augmented reality - point the phone down a street and it SHOWS YOU the names of places, shops, bus stops, etc.
6. Even LOW-end phones get  exchangeable shells that allow users to change colors or add wireless charging, and also allows users to input microSD cards.

 

If iPhone didn't exist, I would most likely buy Nokia Lumia phones. That said, these new phones are pretty disappointing. And Wall Street agrees, with Nokia stock down about 15% following the announcement.

 

1. iPhone 4S can also shoot 1080p video, with image stabilization.

2. PureView on Lumia 920 is a regression from Lumia 808's PureView, using much more limited image sensor (down from 41-megapixels to 8-megapixels). In fact, it really isn't much different from image sensor used on iPhone 4S.

6. But Lumia 920 doesn't have microSD slot.

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If iPhone didn't exist, I would most likely buy Nokia Lumia phones. That said, these new phones are pretty disappointing. And Wall Street agrees, with Nokia stock down about 15% following the announcement.

 

1. iPhone 4S can also shoot 1080p video, with image stabilization.

Digital image stabilization. There's a big difference between digital (iPhone) and optical (Lumia) image stabilization.

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as an appleinsider global moderator, is that your official position?

if you (pooch) have not noticed yet there are three (at least i assume) .... tallest skil, melgross, melvin.

and "as an appleinsider global moderator, is that your official position?" it is his "globol moderator" position... he typed it did he not ?...
if you want you know if it is appleinsiders... ask him that...( but he already answered that question... )
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As far as my point being off topic, you are the one that told everyone you don't own or use an iPhone. You obviously thought it was relevant or I wouldn't have even known. Exactly what are you waiting on? What iPhone could Apple possibly make to meet your incredibly high standards? 

No I think he said he had an original iPhone. Whether or not it is connected to a carrier I wouldn't speculate but I believed that cost of ownership was his problem. But to your point, his knowledge of the functions and features of the iPhone appears to be quite extensive. More than mine and I have owned every iPhone since day one. It is not his lack of knowledge that is bothersome so much as he is in your face 24/7 proving how smart he is and stupid you are.

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if you (pooch) have not noticed yet there are three (at least i assume) .... tallest skil, melgross, melvin.
and "as an appleinsider global moderator, is that your official position?" it is his "globol moderator" position... he typed it did he not ?...
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Why is every Apple website reporting on this thing? Why do we care?

 

Because most of us don't want to live in a bubble....???

 

 

 

 

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Bold move indeed. But Is this also a do-or-die release for Nokia?

 

If this is a the swansong, it is a beautiful swansong.

 

A little thick-ish looking (I don't know if that's illusion or fact) - but, based on lots of nice features, and to resurrect a 1964 political slogan, truly "A choice, not an echo."

 

(which I hate to tell Nokia, was Goldwater's swan song).

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The financial markets are still reacting badly to today's event.

It dropped about the time the event began, down to about -14.5%. Then it inched its way back to -9.2%. But now, it's down to -14.3% again.

What I think is important here is that no Win Phone has captured the imagination of the consumer. I believe that it's caused by a major miscommunication between Microsoft and consumers. They've often been accused of not understanding consumers, and I think that's correct.

When Win Phone first came out, and Microsoft had theater $500 million advertising blitz, the point they were making, which was roundly criticized, was that with other phones, people spent too much time using them, and with wp, you could get on the phone, do your thing quickly, and get off again.

But people like their smartphones. They really like their smartphones. They don't want to get on and off quickly. That's a fundamental disagreement with what people want in their phones. And indeed, it's actually hard to use more than a few apps with Win Phone.

Another problem is the very concept of connective ness with Win Phone. Not everyone wants the first thing they see to be Facebook, or Twitter, or whatever. And the integration, while there, has been critiqued as being very basic—done much better with apps on other platforms. Maybe it's better with wp8.

It's possible that the entire concept of wp is wrong for most people. If that's the case, then they, and their ODM's are in a lot of trouble.

The market reaction today is that there's nothing in wp8, or Nokia's new phones, that consumers are going to drool over, and therefor, leave Android or iOS over. I would imagine that most consumers aren't even going to understand the major difference wp8 is from wp7. They look the same, and that's all the take will be.

And Nokia may not have that much time left. Their debt load is larger than their cash, marketable securities and investments. Major debt becomes due in early 2013, which really isn't that far away. The debt is rated at junk status. And has been degraded even from that. If they use some cash for expenditures, and tap into the two credit lines they still have, their position could be precarious early next year when that large debt becomes due, with another in 2016.

It's felt that they may not make it. If Symbian sales continue to fall faster than Win Phone sales increase, their situation will continue to deteriorate. And they are being hammered on the low end by ZTE and others. Additionally, thei networking division is also in bad shape, and they can't sell it, though they've tried.

So it can be seen why the stock is down so much today. And that won't help matters.

Meanwhile, I have doubts that the 4 million Win Phones they supposedly sold last quarter were sell through to consumers, rather than sales to the channel. I live in NYC, and I'm on the street and in the subways a fair amount of time. I've yet to see Win Phone anywhere. Mostly iPhones, Android phones and featurephones.

If the holiday quarter isn't good for them, it could be the beginning of the end.
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